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Father Haskell

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Jan 3, 2010, 4:35:47 PM1/3/10
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if by lying, you're saving souls from appointments with the
eternal rotisserie?

Hiscoming

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Jan 3, 2010, 4:51:07 PM1/3/10
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"Father Haskell" <father...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:193894b3-38cb-46d7...@t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...

> if by lying, you're saving souls from appointments with the
> eternal rotisserie?

No please.
Lying is a sin which is punishable by eternal death.
Souls are saved by the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
We should preach the gospel as commanded and trust God to save souls.

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Olrik

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Jan 3, 2010, 4:59:23 PM1/3/10
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Le 2010-01-03 16:51, Hiscoming a �crit :

> "Father Haskell"<father...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:193894b3-38cb-46d7...@t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>> if by lying, you're saving souls from appointments with the
>> eternal rotisserie?
>
> No please.
> Lying is a sin which is punishable by eternal death.
> Souls are saved by the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
> We should preach the gospel as commanded and trust God to save souls.

That's a lot of assertions you've got there.

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof."

- Christopher Hitchens

raven1

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Jan 3, 2010, 5:10:04 PM1/3/10
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On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:51:07 -0000, "Hiscoming"
<salvat...@kingdom.com> wrote:

>
>"Father Haskell" <father...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:193894b3-38cb-46d7...@t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>> if by lying, you're saving souls from appointments with the
>> eternal rotisserie?
>
>No please.
>Lying is a sin which is punishable by eternal death.

So if the Gestapo break down your door and ask you about the Jews
you're hiding, what do you do?

>Souls are saved by the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

But committing one sin (ie: lying) after being saved nullifies that
salvation? Is that seriously what you're implying?

>We should preach the gospel as commanded and trust God to save souls.

What did Jesus tell his disciples to do when their preaching wasn't
welcome, and why don't you follow his instructions?

Olrik

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Jan 3, 2010, 5:21:03 PM1/3/10
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Le 2010-01-03 17:10, raven1 a �crit :

The most difficult thing for a believer is keeping track of all the lies!

Olrik

Uncle Vic

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Jan 4, 2010, 2:51:57 PM1/4/10
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Hiscoming" <salvat...@kingdom.com> wrote:

>
> "Father Haskell" <father...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:193894b3-38cb-46d7...@t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>> if by lying, you're saving souls from appointments with the
>> eternal rotisserie?
>
> No please.
> Lying is a sin which is punishable by eternal death.

The bible says man was created from dirt, woman was created from one of
man's ribs, light was present before the god made the light-makers. The
bible lied. As your holy ruler and intellectual superior, I hereby condemn
the bible to eternal death.

> Souls are saved by the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
> We should preach the gospel as commanded and trust God to save souls.
>

No, it's a lie. Therefore, it's a sin to preach, and you must stop,
apologize to those you have bothered, and get on with your life. I command
you to live and let live.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Christians are like Slinkys. They're boring, but they'll put a smile on
your face when you push them down the stairs.

SkyEyes

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Jan 4, 2010, 3:30:31 PM1/4/10
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On Jan 3, 2:51 pm, "Hiscoming" <salvation...@kingdom.com> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> news:193894b3-38cb-46d7...@t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>
> > if by lying, you're saving souls from appointments with the
> > eternal rotisserie?
>
> No please.
> Lying is a sin which is punishable by eternal death.
> Souls are saved by the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
> We should preach the gospel as commanded and trust God to save souls.

You *do* know that the "soul" is merely a theological conceit, right,
and not an actual thing?

And while I have your attention: why do you never answer my posts?
Are you afraid to speak with an ex-christian? Just curious.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net

Father Haskell

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Jan 4, 2010, 4:36:49 PM1/4/10
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On Jan 3, 4:51 pm, "Hiscoming" <salvation...@kingdom.com> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> news:193894b3-38cb-46d7...@t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>
> > if by lying, you're saving souls from appointments with the
> > eternal rotisserie?
>
> No please.
> Lying is a sin which is punishable by eternal death.
> Souls are saved by the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
> We should preach the gospel as commanded and trust God to save souls.

In which case, your selfish failure to lie sends someone else
to hell. This makes Satan's day a happy one.

duke

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Jan 4, 2010, 6:39:26 PM1/4/10
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:30:31 -0800 (PST), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Jan 3, 2:51�pm, "Hiscoming" <salvation...@kingdom.com> wrote:
>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:193894b3-38cb-46d7...@t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > if by lying, you're saving souls from appointments with the
>> > eternal rotisserie?
>>
>> No please.
>> Lying is a sin which is punishable by eternal death.
>> Souls are saved by the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
>> We should preach the gospel as commanded and trust God to save souls.
>
>You *do* know that the "soul" is merely a theological conceit, right,
>and not an actual thing?

vs doesn't even know which way is up.

The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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Virgil

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Jan 4, 2010, 7:42:14 PM1/4/10
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In article <m0v4k5tq19hdldcuh...@4ax.com>,
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:


DUKE THE PUKE doesn't even know which way is up.

tirebiter

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Jan 4, 2010, 7:47:21 PM1/4/10
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On Jan 3, 4:51 pm, "Hiscoming" <salvation...@kingdom.com> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...@netfront.net ---

So, it would be a sin for someone in 1941 Germany to say to the nazi
patrol at his door, "no I don't have a family of jews living in my
attic"?

Your compassion, logic and rationale are as nonexistent as your
alleged god.

---
a.a. #2273

Father Haskell

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Jan 4, 2010, 8:15:24 PM1/4/10
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On Jan 4, 7:42 pm, Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote:
> In article <m0v4k5tq19hdldcuhgrpjm4qs5frsph...@4ax.com>,

>
>  duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> DUKE THE PUKE doesn't even know which way is up.

It's whatever way down pope benny says it is.

L.Roberts

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Jan 4, 2010, 8:45:10 PM1/4/10
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On Jan 3, 1:35 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> if by lying, you're saving souls from appointments with the
> eternal rotisserie?

Yes, it's ok to lie, and as Isaac said, somewhere, somewhen, "and the
truth, when it can be used, is the best lie."

L.Roberts

hypa...@comcast.net

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Jan 7, 2010, 8:50:41 AM1/7/10
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On Jan 4, 6:39 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:30:31 -0800 (PST), SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
> >On Jan 3, 2:51 pm, "Hiscoming" <salvation...@kingdom.com> wrote:
> >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:193894b3-38cb-46d7...@t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > if by lying, you're saving souls from appointments with the
> >> > eternal rotisserie?
>
> >> No please.
> >> Lying is a sin which is punishable by eternal death.
> >> Souls are saved by the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
> >> We should preach the gospel as commanded and trust God to save souls.
>
> >You *do* know that the "soul" is merely a theological conceit, right,
> >and not an actual thing?
>
> vs doesn't even know which way is up.
>
Whereas you don't know up, down, sideways, in, out or
insideout.

Trance Gemini

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Jan 7, 2010, 9:18:03 AM1/7/10
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On Jan 3, 4:51 pm, "Hiscoming" <salvation...@kingdom.com> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Then why do the religious do it so much?

What is a soul? Where can one find it in the body?

And are you telling me that if Fascism raised it's ugly head again and
I hid my Jewish atheist relatives in my apartment Storage area and
lied about it, I'm evil and should go to hell but handing them over to
Fascists would make me a good person?

You guys really are morally bankrupt.

Enkidu

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Jan 7, 2010, 10:39:38 AM1/7/10
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Trance Gemini wrote:

> On Jan 3, 4:51�pm, "Hiscoming" <salvation...@kingdom.com> wrote:
>> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:193894b3-38cb-46d7...@t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > if by lying, you're saving souls from appointments with the
>> > eternal rotisserie?
>>
>> No please.
>> Lying is a sin which is punishable by eternal death.
>> Souls are saved by the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
>> We should preach the gospel as commanded and trust God to save souls.
>>
>> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...@netfront.net ---
>
> Then why do the religious do it so much?

The Bible sepcifically advocates lying - see Paul.

--
Enkidu

Trance Gemini

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Jan 7, 2010, 12:47:19 PM1/7/10
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And it specifically calls it a sin elsewhere....

Not that it's known for it's consistency. Lol.

duke

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Jan 7, 2010, 4:26:22 PM1/7/10
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On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:51:57 -0600, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com> wrote:

>One fine day in alt.atheism, "Hiscoming" <salvat...@kingdom.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Father Haskell" <father...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:193894b3-38cb-46d7...@t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>>> if by lying, you're saving souls from appointments with the
>>> eternal rotisserie?
>>
>> No please.
>> Lying is a sin which is punishable by eternal death.
>
>The bible says man was created from dirt, woman was created from one of
>man's ribs, light was present before the god made the light-makers. The
>bible lied. As your holy ruler and intellectual superior, I hereby condemn
>the bible to eternal death.

You'll be long gone first.

JohnN

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Jan 7, 2010, 4:29:13 PM1/7/10
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On Jan 3, 4:35 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> if by lying, you're saving souls from appointments with the
> eternal rotisserie?

Yes, lying is a blessed sacrement.

JohnN

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