Pilate Stone Forgery ?
Blue
John Locke
>Is current thinking that the Pilate Stone is a forgery or real ?
It's an interesting artifact for sure. Because it was uncovered in the
place that was the seat of power of Judea during the reign of Pontius
Pilate, it is considered to be authentic.
BUT, don't bet the farm on it...there have been a lot of ancient (and
modern) fakes...examples being King Solomon�s Tablet of Stone, the
Shroud of Turin, the James ossuary fake inscription and several
others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate_Stone
The 82 cm x 65 cm limestone block, was found in 1961 in an excavation
of an ancient theater (built by decree of Herod the Great c. 30 BC),
called Caesarea Maritima in the present-day city of
Caesarea-on-the-Sea (also called Maritima). On the partially damaged
block is a dedication to Tiberius Caesar Augustus. It has been deemed
authentic because it was discovered in the coastal town of Caesarea,
which was the capital of Iudaea Province[3] during the time Pontius
Pilate was Roman governor.
The partial inscription reads (conjectural letters in brackets):
[DIS AUGUSTI]S TIBERIEUM
[PO]NTIUS PILATUS
[PRAEF]ECTUS IUDA[EA]E
[FECIT D]E[DICAVIT]
The translation from Latin to English for the inscription reads:
Pontius Pilate, prefect of Judea, has restored the Tiberieum of the
Seaman (or possibly, of the Caesareans)
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Blue
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 03:34:38 +0100, Blue <bl...@there.com> wrote:
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>> Is current thinking that the Pilate Stone is a forgery or real ?
>
> It's an interesting artifact for sure. Because it was uncovered in the
> place that was the seat of power of Judea during the reign of Pontius
> Pilate, it is considered to be authentic.
>
> BUT, don't bet the farm on it...there have been a lot of ancient (and
> Shroud of Turin, the James ossuary fake inscription and several
> others.
I see that Solomon tablet was disproved with mineralogical tests.
But I can't find any for the Pilate Stone ?
That leaves all its providence being as to where it was found.
A Pilate AD stone put in a Herod the Great BC building.
Maybe the archaeologists planted it.
Maybe an ancient forgery.
Maybe it's too late to do any tests on it.
Michael Gray
>Is current thinking that the Pilate Stone is a forgery or real ?
It is a real stone, I think.
(Now I can't get "Drop the Pilot" out of my head.)
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- Christopher A. Lee
DanielSan
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 03:34:38 +0100, Blue<bl...@there.com> wrote:
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>> Is current thinking that the Pilate Stone is a forgery or real ?
>
> It is a real stone, I think.
>
> (Now I can't get "Drop the Pilot" out of my head.)
Isn't it obvious? It's a stone through which you learn Pilates.
But seriously, the Pilate Stone:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Pilate_Inscription.JPG/800px-Pilate_Inscription.JPG
...seems to date from between 26-37CE
It reads (translated): "Pontius Pilate, prefect of Judea, has restored
the Tiberieum of the Seaman" (or possibly "of the Caesareans" where the
stone was found).
I take this as contemporary evidence of someone referencing "Pontius
Pilate" and what he did.
(Tiberieum, by the way, is a bit of an unknown but it possibly refers to
a temple of the Emperor Tiberius)
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Michael Gray
<dani...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>On 10/20/2010 3:25 AM, Michael Gray wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 03:34:38 +0100, Blue<bl...@there.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is current thinking that the Pilate Stone is a forgery or real ?
>>
>> It is a real stone, I think.
>>
>> (Now I can't get "Drop the Pilot" out of my head.)
>
>Isn't it obvious? It's a stone through which you learn Pilates.
Pilates tone or Pilate stone?
>But seriously, the Pilate Stone:
>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Pilate_Inscription.JPG/800px-Pilate_Inscription.JPG
>...seems to date from between 26-37CE
Yes.
This does seem to be genuine.
>It reads (translated): "Pontius Pilate, prefect of Judea, has restored
>the Tiberieum of the Seaman" (or possibly "of the Caesareans" where the
>stone was found).
>
>I take this as contemporary evidence of someone referencing "Pontius
>Pilate" and what he did.
>
>(Tiberieum, by the way, is a bit of an unknown but it possibly refers to
>a temple of the Emperor Tiberius)
Interesting.
But I have never doubted the prefecture of Pontius Pilate, (who,
incidentally, figures in the papyrus fragment P457 that I want dated.)
DanielSan
The current working hypothesis on that places that papyrus around
117-138 CE, due to what appears to be Hadrianic script.
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Michael Gray
<dani...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
Dating by orthography again!
(One of my many hobby-horses, as a warning for those who wish to not
get trampled)
It is so unreliable in cases where it would be profitable to falsify
orthography, for whatever reason.
Easy-peasy to fake.
Even a drunk-monk with syphillus could do the job.
It is so common that it has a colloquial name: "cooking the books",
"back-dating account entries", "forgery", &c.
Occam's razor alone forces one to consider that the orthography may
have been faked later, rather than accept the miraculous dating that,
and pay attention to this bit, ONLY CHRISTIAN scholars have guessed as
the dating.
And one of many 'kickers' is that they have only 'orthographically
dated' the fragment in the 20th C.
No carbon dating. (Minor desctruction required. Lousy accuracy.)
No ANSTO neutron activation analysis. (Minimal destruction required.
Pinpoint accuracy.)
<http://www.ansto.gov.au/business_services/doing_business_with_ansto/neutron_analysis>
myster...@gmail.com
> Is current thinking that the Pilate Stone is a forgery or real ?
bill...@gmail.com
walksalone
news:3712c4d5-b8b1-4b7b...@googlegroups.com:
when there should be evidence.
Now, did Pilate exist? Appears so, he is mentioned outside the Greek
Testaments.
It is also indicated that rather than accept an assignment to Germany, he
committed suicide.
So why include him in the fable?
Gives it an appearance of authority, for he was a historical figure.
But, had the trial taken place, did a crucifixion occur as claimed, or is
there something missing from the yarn?
Much is missing, for historically, it could not have happened as claimed.
Remember those Roman guards that supposedly hauled ass? They would have
been executed, but you don't hear about that.
Thieves were not crucified.
Crucified body's were not take down until the body rotted.
So no, there is no reason to pretend it happened or that Pilate played a
role in it. It is a religious fairy tale that people still believe.
[1]
walksalone who has noticed, no founding claims for any mythology match up
with what we can confirm as possible, let alone likely.
DOG, n. A kind of additional or subsidiary Deity designed to
catch the overflow and surplus of the world's worship. This
Divine Being in some of his smaller and silkier incarnations
takes, in the affection of Woman, the place to which there is
no human male aspirant. The Dog is a survival an anachronism.
He toils not, neither does he spin, yet Solomon in all his
glory never lay upon a door-mat all day long, sun-soaked and
fly-fed and fat, while his master worked for the means
wherewith to purchase the idle wag of the Solomonic tail,
seasoned with a look of tolerant recognition.
Devils dictionary
Mike Painter
written by someone who did not have a firm grasp of how Rome operated.
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was that also fiction or was it believed back then ,
have you noticed the bible never mentions computers ,
i wonder why not is it because they are fiction
Astero...@yahoo.com
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 03:34:38 +0100, Blue <bl...@there.com> wrote:
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> >Is current thinking that the Pilate Stone is a forgery or real ?
>
> It's an interesting artifact for sure. Because it was uncovered in the
> place that was the seat of power of Judea during the reign of Pontius
> Pilate, it is considered to be authentic.
>
> BUT, don't bet the farm on it...there have been a lot of ancient (and
> others.
>
>
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/Articles/Pontius%20Pilate/Pontius_Pilatus.html
The Shroud of Turin is always being argued both ways. However, it's not relevant. On the other hand the James ossuary does have authentic inscriptions, and the dealer who owned it has been judged innocent because the false accuser "expert" was forced to admit in court that he saw the ancient pigments in the letters. It's not big news, the results of the trial, that is, because when atheists and skeptics are in charge of the news they keep the pro-Christianity news in the killfile, like you all do.
I am not a chemist
> On Wednesday, 20 October 2010 03:34:38 UTC+1, Blue wrote:
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> > Is current thinking that the Pilate Stone is a forgery or real ?
>
>
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> Until I got it firmly into my head that Jesus never existed this was something I never gave any thought to.