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fasgnadh
Feb 4, 2012, 8:45:49 PM2/4/12
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Vurgil the atheist LIAR folded faster than deck chairs on the Titanic:
> On 5/02/2012 12:55 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> Vurgil shows that atheism and science don't mix:
>>> On 4/02/2012 10:19 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Together, Newton and Maxwell provided the mathematical tool
>>>> kit needed to deal with everything known to physical science
>>>> in the middle of the 19th century."
>>>>
>>>> - "Deep Simplicity - Chaos, Complexity and the Emergence of Life
>>>> John Gribbin - Penguin, London, 2004 p19 *
>>>>
>>>> And set the groundwork for the subsequent developments;
>>>>
>>>> "It is this requirement from Maxwell's equations
>>>> that the speed of light is a constant for all
>>>> observers, no matter how they are moving, that led
>>>> Albert Einstein to develop the special theory of relativity,
>>>> published in 1905, and move on to the the general theory of
>>>> relativity, published a decade later." - op cit p20
>>>>
>>>> "Relativity theory .. does not overturn. or supplant,
>>>> Newtonian physics, but includes Newton's
>>>> ideas within itself and extends the description of
>>>> the physical world to conditions where Newtonian
>>>> theory is inadequate -particularly for objects
>>>> moving at very high speeds and objects in strong
>>>> gravitational fields. But as a description of the
>>>> motion of the Earth around the Sun, for example**,
>>>> Newtonian physics is accurate to within one
>>>> part in a hundred million, and it is even more accurate
>>>> as a description of events on the human scale.***" - ibid
>>>>
>>>> So, the post Renaissance, post-Enlightenment (and
>>>> pre-both of those) scientific worlds were
>>>> defined by the work of theist scientists.
>>>
>>> Only because in those days expressing doubt publicly
>>> was an executable offence.
>>
>> During the Enlightenment? How many atheists do you claim were
>> executed.. give us some evidence.
I see you snipped all this.. the questions I asked, requesting some
EVIDENCE of your claims.. but you have done the slimy, intellectually
dishonest thing and FAILED TO BACK UP what are not clearly seen as
LIES.
If you cannot back up your BULLSHIT with some facts you are WORTHLESS
to be debating with..
As it stands the answer is NO ONE, as far as you have shown, was
executed for expressing atheist views in the Enlightenment
The only figures, evidence for which I have presented on numerous
occassions, were the VICTIMS of the Atheist states;
>> You are confusing the Enlightenment, a flowering of science, the arts
>> and culture, with the Atheist states which killed over 60,000,000
people.
All we get from you is BASELESS, PREJUDICE AND WORTHLESS **OPINIONS**
and as we all know, opinions without evidence are just BELIEFS.
Why are you atheists so critical of the beliefs of others, beliefs which
have inspired and sustained great and enduring Civilisations, when your
own pathetic sub-branch of pointless Nihilism has produced NOTHING,
except for a handful of catastrophically failed Totalitarian Tyrannies!
Pfffft!
>>>> [Earlier history is even more dominated by the
>>>> civilisation building of theist populations,
>>>> and the central role of believers in the development
>>>> of science, philosophy, mathematics, art, culture and
>>>> governance.]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clearly:
>>>>
>>>> 1. There is no fundamental conflict between Science and Religion,
>>>> between Faith and Reason.
>>>> 2. Those atheists who claim otherwise, and use their cherry-picked,
>>>> LuCD (Lowest unCommon Denominator) attack on the Creationist
>>>> Rump as a tactic to discredit ALL religion,
>>>
>>> Depends on which religion!
>>>
>>> Those religions, like creationism, that claim science
>>> is false becauseit proves their beliefs
>>> to be false are in total conflict with science
>>> and always will be.
>>
>> Like I said, you talk EXCEPTIONS as if they were THE RULE.. it's just
>> atheist lies and propaganda.
>>
I see you snipped and conceded this point as well! B^]
>> In this country religious schools are over represented in the top
>> schools, statewide, every year. They all teach evolution.
>>
>> Every Catholic and Protestant school teaches the SAME SCIENCE
>> curriculum as state schools.. they all have the SAME standard
>> examinations, and the religious schools outperform the state schools.
>>
>> Out of the top twenty, last year there was a Jewish school, a Muslim
>> one, two Catholic and 13 private Protestant schools
>>
>> Are you saying the Majority religious in the USA
>> allow the creationists to replace science
>> teaching in schools with Creationism?
>>
I see you snipped and avoided this question as well! B^]
>> If not.. WTF are you LYING about to misrepresent the
>> teaching of science in denominational schools
>> in Europe, Australia and North America?
>>
>>> Most atheists are quite happy to leave those religions
>>> alone that leave them alone, but few religions are
>>> able to control themselves enough to do that.
>>
>> What a load of horse shit.
>>
>> In the free open progressive secular democracies built
>> and sustained by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
>> societies (USA, OZ, EUROPE Canada.. ) atheists
>> enjoy the same constitutional freedoms and human
>> rights as believers.. but in EVERY atheist
>> state the believers were terrorised tortured and
>> killed.. over 60,000,000 of them.
>>
>> you atheist hypocrites WHINE if a prayer is displayed or said in some
>> school in the sticks.. but you are silent or in denial about the
>> MILLIONS of believers slaughtered in the atheist holocausts, churches
>> mosques, temples and synagogues expropriated or destroyed, religion
>> persecuted...
>>
I see you snipped and conceded this point as well! B^]
>>>> are merely the last
>>>> faint echo of the Atheist State propagandists of the 20th century
>>>> atheist holocausts; the Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression
>>>> (USSR), Mao's Great Leap Backward and Cultural Devolution, Pol
>>>> Pot's Year Zero Genocide and Nth Korea.. "Let them eat Grass".
>>
>>
>> In those regimes Christians were CRUCIFIED, priests stood
>> naked in the snow and drenched in
>>water till they became human icy poles..
>>
>> and you want to tell us that atheists leave religion alone
>> as long as religion leaves them alone... pfffffft!
>>
>> Even in the west you ungrateful parasites TAKE all the freedoms
>> and human rights the civilisation built by the MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
>> populations extend to you, and PISS ON THOSE who provided them
>> to you;
I see you snipped and conceded this point as well! B^]
>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups:
>> alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
>> # Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> # You can keep your spiritual values.
>> # I'll piss on them and pass on them.
>> #
>> # Budikka
>>
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>
>> You sneer at Easter and Christmas, you shut down celebrations
>> wherever you can..
>>
>>
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kDyMtZ_dJwQ/SRFIJBheq_I/AAAAAAAAAb0/Ay8c7EHSl8o/s400/santas_grave.jpg
>>
>>
>> you are a pack of miserable WHINING dogs in the manger.
>>
I see you snipped and conceded this point as well! B^]
>>> For example, how many religions will leave abortion rights alone for
>>> those who are not members of their religion?
>>> That is an attempt to impose one's own religion on others,
>> which is expressly anti-American.
>>
>> You criticise the resolution of political conflicts
>> in the democracies created by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
>> populations, where ELECTED officials make
>> the laws and Courts carry them out
>> but you don't say a WORD of criticism of the violence
>> and oppression of EVERY ATHEIST STATE,
>> EVERY ONE OF WHICH WAS A BLOODY TYRANNY?
>>
>>
>> You have no balanced views at all, have you?
>>
I see you snipped and ran from this question as well! B^]
Virgil is a gutless atheist liar.
>>> The imposing of one's religious beliefs (including non-beliefs or
>>> atheism) on others by force is evil regardless of who is doing it.
>>
>>
>> History shows you are FREE to be atheists in majority religious
>> societies.. and theists were persecuted, oppressed, terrorised tortured
>> and killed in EVERY atheist state in history.
>>
>> Game Set Match!
>>
I see you snipped and conceded this point as well! B^]
Virgil is a gutless atheist liar.
>> # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
>> #
>> # "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
>> # by a government, typically by active suppression of
>> # religious freedom and practice."
>> # - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
>> # Characteristics and Consequences,
>> # David Kowalewski,
>> # Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
>> #
>> #
>> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia’s Buddhist religion:
>> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
>> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
>> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
>> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
>> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
>> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
>> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
>> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
>> # instead of the family.
>> #
>> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
>> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
>> # - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
>> #
>> # The Cambodian Genocide:
>>
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
>>
>>
>> #
>> # "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
>> # regarded by the regime as social parasites,
>> # were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
>> # Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
>> # destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
>> # Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
>> # rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
>> # or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
>> # were often killed.
>> #
>> # The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
>> # persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
>> # Phnom Penh was completely razed.
>> #
>> # The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
>> # regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
>> # Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
>> # - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
>> #
>> # "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
>> # because of their religion."
>> #
>> http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/CANDEMIELDA/44camboyano.jpg
>>
>> #
>> #
>> # "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>> # - Daniel Peris,
>> # "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>> # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>> #
>> #
>> # "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
>> # countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
>> # Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
>> # Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
>> # promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
>> # - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
>> # Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
>> #
>> # In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
>> # intrinsic part of communist ideology.
>>
I see you are completely unable to refute any of the facts
which reveal ATHEISM, not religion, as the greater scourge on mankind
>>>> A principal role in the development of the other significant recent
>>>> development in fundamental science, Quantum Physics, was played of
>>>> the late Richard Feynman. Here is what Feynman, an atheist, had
>>>> to say about the giants on whose shoulders he stood:
>>>>
>>>> "I think that the discovery of electricity and magnetism and the
>>>> electromagnetic effects which were finally worked out, the full
>>>> equations for everything was worked out by Maxwell in 1873 is
>>>> probably the most fundamental transformation, the most remarkable
>>>> thing in History, the biggest change in history!"
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhh32JYkQPk&feature=related
>>>>
>>>> Feynman is that rarity, something most atheists in Usenet clearly are
>>>> not,
>>>> an INTELLIGENT atheist, one who is capable of acknowledging that
>>>> BRILLIANT SCIENCE is brilliant science NO MATTER WHO MAKES IT!
>>>
>>> Atheists do not reject scientific advances regardless
>>> of the religion of those who produce them.
>>
>>
>> BULLSHIT.. you have no POWER to do so in the West anymore,
>> but in EVERY atheist state you persecuted theists, forcibly
>> INDOCTRINATED children in atheism, and crushed freedom of belief,
>> of thought and of speech;
>>
>>
>>
>> #
>> # "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>> # - Daniel Peris,
>> # "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>> # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
I see you snipped and conceded this point as well! B^]
>> How can you defend
>>
>>> that sort of arrogant stupidity
>>
Virgil is a gutless atheist stooge.
>>
>>>> And he, an atheist FAR MORE COMPETENT to comment on what is
>>>> SIGNIFICANT in science acknowledges that the the outstanding
>>>> achievement affecting the modern age, was that made by Maxwell
>>>> in 1873.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But it was not made BECAUSE of his faith.
>>> As far as any evidence about how he made it is concerned,
>>> he might well have been the most extreme of
>>> anti-theists and still made them.
>>
>> You would miss the point even if we stuck it in your eye,
>> wouldn't you!
>>
>> You are one dumb atheist.
>>
>>>> * Deep Simplicity is a wonderful work exploring the
>>>> evolution of complex systems from simple processes,
>>>> My purpose here is to examine the 20th century scientific
>>>> foundation on which it stands, and the Key scientists who
>>>> built that foundation, ... theists.
>>>>
>>>> ** another fundamental scientific revolution developed by
>>>> theist scientists; Copernicus, Tycho and Galileo
>>>>
>>>> *** In other words, most of the massive technological developments
>>>> of the 20th and 21st centuries rests on the scientific work of
>>>> Theist scientists. Notable exceptions include Nuclear Weapons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "I think Nature's imagination
>>>> is so much greater than man's
>>>> She's never gonna let us relax"
>>>>
>>>> - Richard Feynman,
>>>> Nobel Prize winning Physicist (deceased)
>>>> waxing lyrical about metaphysics, describing the physical
>>>> manifestation of the universe in the same transcendent terms
>>>> theists have used for centuries to describe God.
>>>
>>> So Feynman's god is a godess, "Nature", and could well be merely a
>>> metaphorical one.
>>
>> Look you fool, Feynman WAS AN ATHEIST, an incredibly CLEVER
>> one. clever enough not to have any of the small minded,
>> hate filled anti theist psychosis the atheists in Usenet exhibit:
>>
>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>> #
>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats and
>> # not in a girly way.
>> #
>> # Warlord Steve
>> # BAAWA
>>
>> Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
>>
>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
>> # Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
>> # Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
>> # Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
>> #
>> # On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
>> # <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> #
>> # >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
>> #
>> # It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
>> # The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
>> #
>> # Warlord Steve
>> # BAAWA
>>
>> Feynman was Open to the numinous, not a theist, but not
>> the sort of rabid militant atheists that Usenet is full of.
>>
I see you are completely unable to refute any of the facts
which reveal the hate filled venom of your atheist "Warlord"
and you Usenet atheists are his willing tools!
>>>> God does not let us relax. We are challenged by the universe,
>>>> and all through history great minds have responded with
>>>> enthusiasm and joy;
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk
>>>>
>>>> - I love it when the finest secular thinkers echo
>>>> the Sufi Mystics! B^D "We are All One" B^D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Do you think that God can intervene in the universe as he wants
>>>> or is God to bound by the laws of science?"
>>>
>>> So far as any physical evidence goes, there is no evidence
>>> of any god doing any thing.
>>
>> There is more evidence of God inspiring great and
>> enduring civilisations than there is of atheism
>> producing anything better that a string
>> of totalitarian tyrannies.
>>
>> In the struggle of ideas, atheism is an abject failure..
>>
>> not one success, not a single democratic state..
I see you snipped and conceded this point as well! B^]
Virgil is a gutless atheist liar.
>>>> "Your question of whether God is bound by the laws
>>>> of science is a bit like the question 'can God make a stone
>>>> that is so heavy that he can not lift it'. I don't think it
>>>> is very useful to speculate on what God might or might not
>>>> be able to do. Rather we should examine what he actually does
>>>> with the universe we live in. All our observations suggest
>>>> that it operates according to defined laws. These laws may
>>>> have been made by God, but it seems he does not intervene in
>>>> the Universe to break the laws, at least not once he had set
>>>> the universe going." - Prof Stephen Hawking
>>>
>> > Which says that, as far as Hawking is concerned, a sort of clockwork
>> > universe with no currently active god is what the evidence
presents us
>> > with.
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9cYTZXekA&feature=related
>>>>
>>>> Other atheists turning to God:
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Ex- Atheist, now Prophet, Richard Dawkins claims a "superpowerful
>>>> intelligent and moral energy" entity, "God-like", is plausible and
>>>> could have 'evolved' somewhere in the Universe "by an explicable
>>>> scientific progression of incremental evolution", (which no
>>>> atheist can explain).
>
> Science is allowed to err in its predictions,
We are not talking about SCIENCE, you moron, but ATHEISM!
Don't lecture me on SCIENCE when clearly you don't know the
first fucking thing about testable hypothesis, or evidence!
Atheism is NOT SCIENCE!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHA
Most of the great scientists in history were Theists.
> since it is also allowed
> to correct those errors, and does so regularly and efficiently, but
> religions are either eternally right or eternally wrong, and
> creationism is premier among the ones that are eternally wrong!
>
> The Theory of Evolution and True Christianity:
So, once again we see that when atheism is criticised the
atheists will talk about .... ANYTHING **ELSE**
Science is not at issue here.. atheism presenting FANTASY
SPECULATION, UNPROVEN ASSERTIONS that these atheist "Gods
came into being..." (but you can't show when, where or how),
atheist **BELIEFS** DRESSED UP AS PSEUDO-SCIENCE BABBLE is the
issue.. not genuine science or evolution.
This is NOT about Science.. it is NOT about evolution,
and it is certainly NOT about Christianity!!
> Most of True Christianity has already accepted the
> overwhelming physical evidence that human's physical
> bodies were formed by Evolution.
>
> But it is only the souls of those humans that True Christianity is
> concerned with, and Evolution in particular, and Science
> in general, say nothing at all about such souls.
>
> Thus between the Theory of Evolution and other sciences
> on the one hand,
> and True Christianity on the other, there is, and can be, no conflict.
>
> So that any religion, like creationism, that impugns Evolution is no
> part of True Christianity, or any true religion.
Now, I know you have a tiny pea-brain, and I know you are a slimy
atheist shitpig who will do or try ANYTHING to change the subject
from atheism.. which none of you, out of PIG-IGNORANCE of your
stupid beliefs or SHAME, ever want to talk about..
so.. as you have NOTHING of relevance to the subject,
why don't you wander off and place the Crashed and Burned
Offering of your pathetic efforts here on Bukakke's Altar
of Atheist Fallacies..
Run along now..
Next brainless atheist stooge, please!
>>>> # "After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins
>>>> # walks far afield. He talks of the possibility
>>>> # that we might co-evolve with computers, a
>>>> # silicon destiny. And he¹s intrigued by the playful,
>>>> # even soul-stirring writings of Freeman Dyson,
>>>> # the theoretical physicist.
>>>> #
>>>> # 'In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of
>>>> # speculative years into the future. Our galaxy
>>>> # is dying and humans have evolved into something
>>>> # like bolts of superpowerful intelligent and moral energy.
>>>> #
>>>> # Doesn¹t that description sound an awful lot like God?
>>>> #
>>>> # "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It¹s
>>>> # highly plausible that
>>>> # in the universe there are God-like creatures."
>>>> #
>>>> # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks
>>>> # he¹s gone around a religious bend.
>>>> # "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
>>>> # came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
>>>> # incremental evolution."'
>>>> #
>>>> # Could they be immortal? The professor shrugs.
>>>> #
>>>> # ³Probably not.² He smiles and adds, ³But I
>>>> # wouldn¹t want to be too dogmatic about that.²"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
>>>
>>> who misreads Dawkins remark
>>
>> You do.
>>
>> And you can't provide ANY EVIDENCE that these atheist Gods Dawkins
>> claim's "Came into being" actually did.
>
> Since those god-like creatures are only claimed to be plausible,
Since Dawkins claims "These Gods came into being.." you are full of
shit, and so is Dawkins.. they are Atheist FANTASIES, and you morons
have bought this crock of shit and BELIEVED IT..
There is no PROOF of your atheist gods! They are FANTASIES..
You have been DUPED by Dawkins the Snake Oil Salesman! B^D
> not actual
No.. Atheist Gods are NOT actual!!! They are Lies.
However Dawkins has now got you all admitting that
God is PLAUSIBLE
And we all know what you BELEIVERS say about God
> at least to those who read the whole citation, no proof of
> actuality is required.
Ah.. there we have it the BLIND FAITH of ATHEISTS! B^D
Most RATIONAL people demand EVIDENCE before they will believe
> Except by the willfully blind like
Prophet Dawkins and The First Atheist Church of Evolved Deities"
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAAA
I told you atheists were BELIEVERS without evidence,
they have Bukake's Altar of Atheism to worship at
and the new Atheist Temple to be built in the UK...
and they SAY they ARE a religion:
# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
# The Age 29/1/2009
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> On 5/02/2012 12:55 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> Vurgil shows that atheism and science don't mix:
>>> On 4/02/2012 10:19 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Together, Newton and Maxwell provided the mathematical tool
>>>> kit needed to deal with everything known to physical science
>>>> in the middle of the 19th century."
>>>>
>>>> - "Deep Simplicity - Chaos, Complexity and the Emergence of Life
>>>> John Gribbin - Penguin, London, 2004 p19 *
>>>>
>>>> And set the groundwork for the subsequent developments;
>>>>
>>>> "It is this requirement from Maxwell's equations
>>>> that the speed of light is a constant for all
>>>> observers, no matter how they are moving, that led
>>>> Albert Einstein to develop the special theory of relativity,
>>>> published in 1905, and move on to the the general theory of
>>>> relativity, published a decade later." - op cit p20
>>>>
>>>> "Relativity theory .. does not overturn. or supplant,
>>>> Newtonian physics, but includes Newton's
>>>> ideas within itself and extends the description of
>>>> the physical world to conditions where Newtonian
>>>> theory is inadequate -particularly for objects
>>>> moving at very high speeds and objects in strong
>>>> gravitational fields. But as a description of the
>>>> motion of the Earth around the Sun, for example**,
>>>> Newtonian physics is accurate to within one
>>>> part in a hundred million, and it is even more accurate
>>>> as a description of events on the human scale.***" - ibid
>>>>
>>>> So, the post Renaissance, post-Enlightenment (and
>>>> pre-both of those) scientific worlds were
>>>> defined by the work of theist scientists.
>>>
>>> Only because in those days expressing doubt publicly
>>> was an executable offence.
>>
>> During the Enlightenment? How many atheists do you claim were
>> executed.. give us some evidence.
I see you snipped all this.. the questions I asked, requesting some
EVIDENCE of your claims.. but you have done the slimy, intellectually
dishonest thing and FAILED TO BACK UP what are not clearly seen as
LIES.
If you cannot back up your BULLSHIT with some facts you are WORTHLESS
to be debating with..
As it stands the answer is NO ONE, as far as you have shown, was
executed for expressing atheist views in the Enlightenment
The only figures, evidence for which I have presented on numerous
occassions, were the VICTIMS of the Atheist states;
>> You are confusing the Enlightenment, a flowering of science, the arts
>> and culture, with the Atheist states which killed over 60,000,000
people.
All we get from you is BASELESS, PREJUDICE AND WORTHLESS **OPINIONS**
and as we all know, opinions without evidence are just BELIEFS.
Why are you atheists so critical of the beliefs of others, beliefs which
have inspired and sustained great and enduring Civilisations, when your
own pathetic sub-branch of pointless Nihilism has produced NOTHING,
except for a handful of catastrophically failed Totalitarian Tyrannies!
Pfffft!
>>>> [Earlier history is even more dominated by the
>>>> civilisation building of theist populations,
>>>> and the central role of believers in the development
>>>> of science, philosophy, mathematics, art, culture and
>>>> governance.]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clearly:
>>>>
>>>> 1. There is no fundamental conflict between Science and Religion,
>>>> between Faith and Reason.
>>>> 2. Those atheists who claim otherwise, and use their cherry-picked,
>>>> LuCD (Lowest unCommon Denominator) attack on the Creationist
>>>> Rump as a tactic to discredit ALL religion,
>>>
>>> Depends on which religion!
>>>
>>> Those religions, like creationism, that claim science
>>> is false becauseit proves their beliefs
>>> to be false are in total conflict with science
>>> and always will be.
>>
>> Like I said, you talk EXCEPTIONS as if they were THE RULE.. it's just
>> atheist lies and propaganda.
>>
I see you snipped and conceded this point as well! B^]
>> In this country religious schools are over represented in the top
>> schools, statewide, every year. They all teach evolution.
>>
>> Every Catholic and Protestant school teaches the SAME SCIENCE
>> curriculum as state schools.. they all have the SAME standard
>> examinations, and the religious schools outperform the state schools.
>>
>> Out of the top twenty, last year there was a Jewish school, a Muslim
>> one, two Catholic and 13 private Protestant schools
>>
>> Are you saying the Majority religious in the USA
>> allow the creationists to replace science
>> teaching in schools with Creationism?
>>
I see you snipped and avoided this question as well! B^]
>> If not.. WTF are you LYING about to misrepresent the
>> teaching of science in denominational schools
>> in Europe, Australia and North America?
>>
>>> Most atheists are quite happy to leave those religions
>>> alone that leave them alone, but few religions are
>>> able to control themselves enough to do that.
>>
>> What a load of horse shit.
>>
>> In the free open progressive secular democracies built
>> and sustained by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
>> societies (USA, OZ, EUROPE Canada.. ) atheists
>> enjoy the same constitutional freedoms and human
>> rights as believers.. but in EVERY atheist
>> state the believers were terrorised tortured and
>> killed.. over 60,000,000 of them.
>>
>> you atheist hypocrites WHINE if a prayer is displayed or said in some
>> school in the sticks.. but you are silent or in denial about the
>> MILLIONS of believers slaughtered in the atheist holocausts, churches
>> mosques, temples and synagogues expropriated or destroyed, religion
>> persecuted...
>>
I see you snipped and conceded this point as well! B^]
>>>> are merely the last
>>>> faint echo of the Atheist State propagandists of the 20th century
>>>> atheist holocausts; the Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression
>>>> (USSR), Mao's Great Leap Backward and Cultural Devolution, Pol
>>>> Pot's Year Zero Genocide and Nth Korea.. "Let them eat Grass".
>>
>>
>> In those regimes Christians were CRUCIFIED, priests stood
>> naked in the snow and drenched in
>>water till they became human icy poles..
>>
>> and you want to tell us that atheists leave religion alone
>> as long as religion leaves them alone... pfffffft!
>>
>> Even in the west you ungrateful parasites TAKE all the freedoms
>> and human rights the civilisation built by the MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
>> populations extend to you, and PISS ON THOSE who provided them
>> to you;
I see you snipped and conceded this point as well! B^]
>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups:
>> alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism
>> # Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:38:16 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <bfcf3a9d-9711-449a...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> # You can keep your spiritual values.
>> # I'll piss on them and pass on them.
>> #
>> # Budikka
>>
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>
>> You sneer at Easter and Christmas, you shut down celebrations
>> wherever you can..
>>
>>
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kDyMtZ_dJwQ/SRFIJBheq_I/AAAAAAAAAb0/Ay8c7EHSl8o/s400/santas_grave.jpg
>>
>>
>> you are a pack of miserable WHINING dogs in the manger.
>>
I see you snipped and conceded this point as well! B^]
>>> For example, how many religions will leave abortion rights alone for
>>> those who are not members of their religion?
>>> That is an attempt to impose one's own religion on others,
>> which is expressly anti-American.
>>
>> You criticise the resolution of political conflicts
>> in the democracies created by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
>> populations, where ELECTED officials make
>> the laws and Courts carry them out
>> but you don't say a WORD of criticism of the violence
>> and oppression of EVERY ATHEIST STATE,
>> EVERY ONE OF WHICH WAS A BLOODY TYRANNY?
>>
>>
>> You have no balanced views at all, have you?
>>
I see you snipped and ran from this question as well! B^]
Virgil is a gutless atheist liar.
>>> The imposing of one's religious beliefs (including non-beliefs or
>>> atheism) on others by force is evil regardless of who is doing it.
>>
>>
>> History shows you are FREE to be atheists in majority religious
>> societies.. and theists were persecuted, oppressed, terrorised tortured
>> and killed in EVERY atheist state in history.
>>
>> Game Set Match!
>>
I see you snipped and conceded this point as well! B^]
Virgil is a gutless atheist liar.
>> # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
>> #
>> # "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
>> # by a government, typically by active suppression of
>> # religious freedom and practice."
>> # - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
>> # Characteristics and Consequences,
>> # David Kowalewski,
>> # Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
>> #
>> #
>> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia’s Buddhist religion:
>> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
>> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
>> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
>> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
>> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
>> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
>> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
>> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
>> # instead of the family.
>> #
>> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
>> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
>> # - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
>> #
>> # The Cambodian Genocide:
>>
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
>>
>>
>> #
>> # "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
>> # regarded by the regime as social parasites,
>> # were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
>> # Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
>> # destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
>> # Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
>> # rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
>> # or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
>> # were often killed.
>> #
>> # The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
>> # persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
>> # Phnom Penh was completely razed.
>> #
>> # The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
>> # regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
>> # Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
>> # - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
>> #
>> # "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
>> # because of their religion."
>> #
>> http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/CANDEMIELDA/44camboyano.jpg
>>
>> #
>> #
>> # "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>> # - Daniel Peris,
>> # "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>> # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>> #
>> #
>> # "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
>> # countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
>> # Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
>> # Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
>> # promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
>> # - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
>> # Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
>> #
>> # In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
>> # intrinsic part of communist ideology.
>>
I see you are completely unable to refute any of the facts
which reveal ATHEISM, not religion, as the greater scourge on mankind
>>>> A principal role in the development of the other significant recent
>>>> development in fundamental science, Quantum Physics, was played of
>>>> the late Richard Feynman. Here is what Feynman, an atheist, had
>>>> to say about the giants on whose shoulders he stood:
>>>>
>>>> "I think that the discovery of electricity and magnetism and the
>>>> electromagnetic effects which were finally worked out, the full
>>>> equations for everything was worked out by Maxwell in 1873 is
>>>> probably the most fundamental transformation, the most remarkable
>>>> thing in History, the biggest change in history!"
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhh32JYkQPk&feature=related
>>>>
>>>> Feynman is that rarity, something most atheists in Usenet clearly are
>>>> not,
>>>> an INTELLIGENT atheist, one who is capable of acknowledging that
>>>> BRILLIANT SCIENCE is brilliant science NO MATTER WHO MAKES IT!
>>>
>>> Atheists do not reject scientific advances regardless
>>> of the religion of those who produce them.
>>
>>
>> BULLSHIT.. you have no POWER to do so in the West anymore,
>> but in EVERY atheist state you persecuted theists, forcibly
>> INDOCTRINATED children in atheism, and crushed freedom of belief,
>> of thought and of speech;
>>
>>
>>
>> #
>> # "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>> # - Daniel Peris,
>> # "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>> # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
I see you snipped and conceded this point as well! B^]
>> How can you defend
>>
>>> that sort of arrogant stupidity
>>
Virgil is a gutless atheist stooge.
>>
>>>> And he, an atheist FAR MORE COMPETENT to comment on what is
>>>> SIGNIFICANT in science acknowledges that the the outstanding
>>>> achievement affecting the modern age, was that made by Maxwell
>>>> in 1873.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But it was not made BECAUSE of his faith.
>>> As far as any evidence about how he made it is concerned,
>>> he might well have been the most extreme of
>>> anti-theists and still made them.
>>
>> You would miss the point even if we stuck it in your eye,
>> wouldn't you!
>>
>> You are one dumb atheist.
>>
>>>> * Deep Simplicity is a wonderful work exploring the
>>>> evolution of complex systems from simple processes,
>>>> My purpose here is to examine the 20th century scientific
>>>> foundation on which it stands, and the Key scientists who
>>>> built that foundation, ... theists.
>>>>
>>>> ** another fundamental scientific revolution developed by
>>>> theist scientists; Copernicus, Tycho and Galileo
>>>>
>>>> *** In other words, most of the massive technological developments
>>>> of the 20th and 21st centuries rests on the scientific work of
>>>> Theist scientists. Notable exceptions include Nuclear Weapons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "I think Nature's imagination
>>>> is so much greater than man's
>>>> She's never gonna let us relax"
>>>>
>>>> - Richard Feynman,
>>>> Nobel Prize winning Physicist (deceased)
>>>> waxing lyrical about metaphysics, describing the physical
>>>> manifestation of the universe in the same transcendent terms
>>>> theists have used for centuries to describe God.
>>>
>>> So Feynman's god is a godess, "Nature", and could well be merely a
>>> metaphorical one.
>>
>> Look you fool, Feynman WAS AN ATHEIST, an incredibly CLEVER
>> one. clever enough not to have any of the small minded,
>> hate filled anti theist psychosis the atheists in Usenet exhibit:
>>
>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>> #
>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats and
>> # not in a girly way.
>> #
>> # Warlord Steve
>> # BAAWA
>>
>> Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
>>
>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
>> # Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
>> # Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
>> # Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
>> #
>> # On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
>> # <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> #
>> # >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
>> #
>> # It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
>> # The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
>> #
>> # Warlord Steve
>> # BAAWA
>>
>> Feynman was Open to the numinous, not a theist, but not
>> the sort of rabid militant atheists that Usenet is full of.
>>
I see you are completely unable to refute any of the facts
which reveal the hate filled venom of your atheist "Warlord"
and you Usenet atheists are his willing tools!
>>>> God does not let us relax. We are challenged by the universe,
>>>> and all through history great minds have responded with
>>>> enthusiasm and joy;
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk
>>>>
>>>> - I love it when the finest secular thinkers echo
>>>> the Sufi Mystics! B^D "We are All One" B^D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Do you think that God can intervene in the universe as he wants
>>>> or is God to bound by the laws of science?"
>>>
>>> So far as any physical evidence goes, there is no evidence
>>> of any god doing any thing.
>>
>> There is more evidence of God inspiring great and
>> enduring civilisations than there is of atheism
>> producing anything better that a string
>> of totalitarian tyrannies.
>>
>> In the struggle of ideas, atheism is an abject failure..
>>
>> not one success, not a single democratic state..
I see you snipped and conceded this point as well! B^]
Virgil is a gutless atheist liar.
>>>> "Your question of whether God is bound by the laws
>>>> of science is a bit like the question 'can God make a stone
>>>> that is so heavy that he can not lift it'. I don't think it
>>>> is very useful to speculate on what God might or might not
>>>> be able to do. Rather we should examine what he actually does
>>>> with the universe we live in. All our observations suggest
>>>> that it operates according to defined laws. These laws may
>>>> have been made by God, but it seems he does not intervene in
>>>> the Universe to break the laws, at least not once he had set
>>>> the universe going." - Prof Stephen Hawking
>>>
>> > Which says that, as far as Hawking is concerned, a sort of clockwork
>> > universe with no currently active god is what the evidence
presents us
>> > with.
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9cYTZXekA&feature=related
>>>>
>>>> Other atheists turning to God:
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Ex- Atheist, now Prophet, Richard Dawkins claims a "superpowerful
>>>> intelligent and moral energy" entity, "God-like", is plausible and
>>>> could have 'evolved' somewhere in the Universe "by an explicable
>>>> scientific progression of incremental evolution", (which no
>>>> atheist can explain).
>
> Science is allowed to err in its predictions,
We are not talking about SCIENCE, you moron, but ATHEISM!
Don't lecture me on SCIENCE when clearly you don't know the
first fucking thing about testable hypothesis, or evidence!
Atheism is NOT SCIENCE!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHA
Most of the great scientists in history were Theists.
> since it is also allowed
> to correct those errors, and does so regularly and efficiently, but
> religions are either eternally right or eternally wrong, and
> creationism is premier among the ones that are eternally wrong!
>
> The Theory of Evolution and True Christianity:
So, once again we see that when atheism is criticised the
atheists will talk about .... ANYTHING **ELSE**
Science is not at issue here.. atheism presenting FANTASY
SPECULATION, UNPROVEN ASSERTIONS that these atheist "Gods
came into being..." (but you can't show when, where or how),
atheist **BELIEFS** DRESSED UP AS PSEUDO-SCIENCE BABBLE is the
issue.. not genuine science or evolution.
This is NOT about Science.. it is NOT about evolution,
and it is certainly NOT about Christianity!!
> Most of True Christianity has already accepted the
> overwhelming physical evidence that human's physical
> bodies were formed by Evolution.
>
> But it is only the souls of those humans that True Christianity is
> concerned with, and Evolution in particular, and Science
> in general, say nothing at all about such souls.
>
> Thus between the Theory of Evolution and other sciences
> on the one hand,
> and True Christianity on the other, there is, and can be, no conflict.
>
> So that any religion, like creationism, that impugns Evolution is no
> part of True Christianity, or any true religion.
Now, I know you have a tiny pea-brain, and I know you are a slimy
atheist shitpig who will do or try ANYTHING to change the subject
from atheism.. which none of you, out of PIG-IGNORANCE of your
stupid beliefs or SHAME, ever want to talk about..
so.. as you have NOTHING of relevance to the subject,
why don't you wander off and place the Crashed and Burned
Offering of your pathetic efforts here on Bukakke's Altar
of Atheist Fallacies..
Run along now..
Next brainless atheist stooge, please!
>>>> # "After two hours of conversation, Professor Dawkins
>>>> # walks far afield. He talks of the possibility
>>>> # that we might co-evolve with computers, a
>>>> # silicon destiny. And he¹s intrigued by the playful,
>>>> # even soul-stirring writings of Freeman Dyson,
>>>> # the theoretical physicist.
>>>> #
>>>> # 'In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of
>>>> # speculative years into the future. Our galaxy
>>>> # is dying and humans have evolved into something
>>>> # like bolts of superpowerful intelligent and moral energy.
>>>> #
>>>> # Doesn¹t that description sound an awful lot like God?
>>>> #
>>>> # "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It¹s
>>>> # highly plausible that
>>>> # in the universe there are God-like creatures."
>>>> #
>>>> # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks
>>>> # he¹s gone around a religious bend.
>>>> # "It¹s very important to understand that these Gods
>>>> # came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
>>>> # incremental evolution."'
>>>> #
>>>> # Could they be immortal? The professor shrugs.
>>>> #
>>>> # ³Probably not.² He smiles and adds, ³But I
>>>> # wouldn¹t want to be too dogmatic about that.²"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
>>>
>>> who misreads Dawkins remark
>>
>> You do.
>>
>> And you can't provide ANY EVIDENCE that these atheist Gods Dawkins
>> claim's "Came into being" actually did.
>
> Since those god-like creatures are only claimed to be plausible,
Since Dawkins claims "These Gods came into being.." you are full of
shit, and so is Dawkins.. they are Atheist FANTASIES, and you morons
have bought this crock of shit and BELIEVED IT..
There is no PROOF of your atheist gods! They are FANTASIES..
You have been DUPED by Dawkins the Snake Oil Salesman! B^D
> not actual
No.. Atheist Gods are NOT actual!!! They are Lies.
However Dawkins has now got you all admitting that
God is PLAUSIBLE
And we all know what you BELEIVERS say about God
> at least to those who read the whole citation, no proof of
> actuality is required.
Ah.. there we have it the BLIND FAITH of ATHEISTS! B^D
Most RATIONAL people demand EVIDENCE before they will believe
> Except by the willfully blind like
Prophet Dawkins and The First Atheist Church of Evolved Deities"
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAAA
I told you atheists were BELIEVERS without evidence,
they have Bukake's Altar of Atheism to worship at
and the new Atheist Temple to be built in the UK...
and they SAY they ARE a religion:
# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
# The Age 29/1/2009
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