How does Religion account for Race?
LionTeaser
there they spread out throughout the world, and now we find black
races, oriental races and nordic races...
C'mon give me a break, somewhere along the line there's been EVOLUTION
or else we would all look something like this...
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2778425/2/istockphoto_2778425-hairy-man.jpg
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JUNGLE LORE
"Not all monkeys look the same, but they are all monkeys"
Jimbo
> Adam and Eve were created, we assume looking Middle Eastern, and from
> there they spread out throughout the world, and now we find black
> races, oriental races and nordic races...
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> C'mon give me a break, somewhere along the line there's been EVOLUTION
> or else we would all look something like this...
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> JUNGLE LORE
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> "Not all monkeys look the same, but they are all monkeys"
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> http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
Well, I have heard several religionistic explanations for race. One
particularly idiotic person once explaned black people as a hybrid
between Cain, and Monkeys, and being black was the "Mark of Cain".
Another idiot once told me that, in God's anger, he not only
differentiated people's languages, but their color to help avert
another "Tower of Babble" incident.
The point is that a true religionist can come up with any off the wall
explanation they want and call it "gospel truth". I think I'll
stick with the science.
Lord Calvert
> On Dec 16, 11:41 am, LionTeaser <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Adam and Eve were created, we assume looking Middle Eastern, and from
> > there they spread out throughout the world, and now we find black
> > races, oriental races and nordic races...
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> > C'mon give me a break, somewhere along the line there's been EVOLUTION
> > or else we would all look something like this...
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> >http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2778425/2/istockpho...
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> > JUNGLE LORE
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> > "Not all monkeys look the same, but they are all monkeys"
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> >http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
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> Well, I have heard several religionistic explanations for race. One
> particularly idiotic person once explaned black people as a hybrid
> between Cain, and Monkeys, and being black was the "Mark of Cain".
That is effectively the Mormon position, as described in Alma 3 in the
Book of Mormon. The Mormons believed in white supremacism so strongly
that they put the concept directly in their holy scriptures.
> Another idiot once told me that, in God's anger, he not only
> differentiated people's languages, but their color to help avert
> another "Tower of Babble" incident.
This was effectively the State of Virginia's argument in the Loving v.
Virginia case,
"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red,
and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the
interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such
marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not
intend for the races to mix." - Judge Leon Brazile, Caroline County
justice ruling against the Lovings for being "illegally" married and
having marital sex, 1959.
> The point is that a true religionist can come up with any off the wall
> explanation they want and call it "gospel truth". I think I'll
> stick with the science.
As we have discovered, most atheists know scripture better than most
Christians. That is usually why they switched back to their natural
state of atheism in the first place. As Colonel Ingersoll said, "The
inspiration of the Bible depends upon the ignorance of the gentleman
who reads it."
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Paranormal Phycology
Lee
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Give THEM a break, the god books were written by blokes who had never
heard of evolution, seen a radio telescope or looked on the enigmatic
eye sockets of Lucy the Australopithecine so they have got off to a bad
start trying to compete with contempory knowledge anyway.
It must be very frustrating for the religious to read the new
discoveries in the news every day as more transitional fossils are
found, people like Craig Ventnor come ever closer to synthesising life
and that Turkish buffoon Harun Yahya published a jpeg of a fishing fly
he scavenged off the Internets as an example of unchanging life.
LionTeaser
> On Dec 16, 11:53 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Dec 16, 11:41 am, LionTeaser <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > Adam and Eve were created, we assume looking Middle Eastern, and from
> > > there they spread out throughout the world, and now we find black
> > > races, oriental races and nordic races...
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> > > C'mon give me a break, somewhere along the line there's been EVOLUTION
> > > or else we would all look something like this...
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> > >http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2778425/2/istockpho...
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> > > JUNGLE LORE
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> > > "Not all monkeys look the same, but they are all monkeys"
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> > >http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
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And I always find it funny how other races buy into it... ;)
LionTeaser
> "LionTeaser" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Adam and Eve were created, we assume looking Middle Eastern, and from
> > there they spread out throughout the world, and now we find black
> > races, oriental races and nordic races...
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> > C'mon give me a break, somewhere along the line there's been EVOLUTION
> > or else we would all look something like this...
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> >http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2778425/2/istockpho...
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> > JUNGLE LORE
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> > "Not all monkeys look the same, but they are all monkeys"
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> >http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
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> heard of evolution, seen a radio telescope or looked on the enigmatic
> eye sockets of Lucy the Australopithecine so they have got off to a bad
> start trying to compete with contempory knowledge anyway.
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> It must be very frustrating for the religious to read the new
> discoveries in the news every day as more transitional fossils are
> found, people like Craig Ventnor come ever closer to synthesising life
> and that Turkish buffoon Harun Yahya published a jpeg of a fishing fly
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I don't think it would help much when the case is that they don't want
to listen.
You would assume that in this day and cage it would hard to find a
believer. But they stay away from the right sources and while they
avoid Animal Planet they tune into the Christian networks.
Dakota
> On Dec 16, 11:53�am, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 16, 11:41�am, LionTeaser <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> Adam and Eve were created, we assume looking Middle Eastern, and from
>>> there they spread out throughout the world, and now we find black
>>> races, oriental races and nordic races...
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>>> C'mon give me a break, somewhere along the line there's been EVOLUTION
>>> or else we would all look something like this...
>>
>>>http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2778425/2/istockpho...
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>>> JUNGLE LORE
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>>> "Not all monkeys look the same, but they are all monkeys"
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>>>http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
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>> Well, I have heard several religionistic explanations for race. � One
>> particularly idiotic person once explaned black people as a hybrid
>> between Cain, and Monkeys, and being black was the "Mark of Cain".
Some who believe in bible stories claim that Cain's descendents are dark
skined humans. I've never heard it explained how they got on board Noah's
boat.
LionTeaser
> On 16 Dec, 16:46, LionTeaser <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Adam and Eve were created, we assume looking Middle Eastern, and from
> > there they spread out throughout the world, and now we find black
> > races, oriental races and nordic races...
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> > C'mon give me a break, somewhere along the line there's been EVOLUTION
> > or else we would all look something like this...
>
> >http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2778425/2/istockpho...
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> extinct a long, long time ago. :P
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That's how I picture Adam. He was startled to be in Paradise and his
hair was unshaven and uncut for a long time.
LionTeaser
On Dec 16, 2:37 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > A bigger brain came from the use of tools, and the computer will give
> > us a brain bigger than we can handle.
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> Giving you and George the benefit of the doubt here, you both are
> describing Lamarckian evolution which is, suffice it to say, false.
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> Exercising to give you big muscles will not pass on that trait to your
> children.
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> You are confusing cause and effect. It is not the use of tools, or
> thinking thoughts that gave us big brains, it is big (and complex)
> brains that allowed for the use of tools and bigger thoughts.
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> The bigger brains came through evolution and selective pressure. The
> genes for bigger heads allowed for bigger brains. Those born with
> bigger brains had a survival advantage over others, allowing those
> with bigger brains to occupy more and more of the population.- Hide quoted text -
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You assume that BIGGER IS BETTER... Well, not in the case of the
banana. ;)
In hot climates it didn't make a difference, but the folks with the
bigger bananas in nordic places lost it in frosbite. This refers to
the banana at rest not in action.
And I don't think it's true either in the case of brains, more
"energized" perhaps...
(I quote)
3-Why is a 'bigger' brain better?
:: A ::
True that 'bigger' brains require more feeding - though we're not
looking at 'bigger' as such - here
- we have ... after all - limitations on our brain size.
Instead - more energetically charged - or 'firing' more - would be a
better description -
of course -
the consequences of a mind capable of highly abstract thought - as
opposed to the neurotransmission of the animal kingdom -
eating a uncooked potato (for instance)
which would struggle to satisfy - even the greatest of potato
worshippers.
:-)
4-Why should we want a brain which fires more?
:: A ::
physics
Moving fields within moving fields.
Electrical flow and energetically alive.
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jcon
> On Dec 16, 11:53 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Dec 16, 11:41 am, LionTeaser <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > Adam and Eve were created, we assume looking Middle Eastern, and from
> > > there they spread out throughout the world, and now we find black
> > > races, oriental races and nordic races...
>
> > > C'mon give me a break, somewhere along the line there's been EVOLUTION
> > > or else we would all look something like this...
>
> > >http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2778425/2/istockpho...
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> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > JUNGLE LORE
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> > > "Not all monkeys look the same, but they are all monkeys"
>
> > >http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>
> > Well, I have heard several religionistic explanations for race. One
> > particularly idiotic person once explaned black people as a hybrid
> > between Cain, and Monkeys, and being black was the "Mark of Cain".
>
> That is effectively the Mormon position, as described in Alma 3 in the
> Book of Mormon. The Mormons believed in white supremacism so strongly
> that they put the concept directly in their holy scriptures.
>
It's worth pointing out that in this "explanation", you're
faced with the problem of how the Mark survived the
Great Flood.
Mormons generally believed that Egyptus, who was
married to Noah's son Ham, was black (presumably for
no better reason than that her name sounds like "Egypt").
Of course, this put miscegenation right there in
the most righteous of families, which probably
explains why this particular doctrine never caught
on in the South.
> > Another idiot once told me that, in God's anger, he not only
> > differentiated people's languages, but their color to help avert
> > another "Tower of Babble" incident.
>
> This was effectively the State of Virginia's argument in the Loving v.
> Virginia case,
>
> "Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red,
> and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the
> interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such
> marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not
> intend for the races to mix." - Judge Leon Brazile, Caroline County
> justice ruling against the Lovings for being "illegally" married and
> having marital sex, 1959.
>
If one believes that the various races were part of
the "punishment" meted out at the Tower of Babel,
and that this is reason enough to prohibit marriages,
then it would also follow that no one should be
allowed to marry who is descended from
families historically speaking different languages.
That is, after all, unquestionably part of the
punishment.
Indeed, one could question whether
we are tampering with God's will to ever learn a
language other than the one our most remote
ancestors were compelled to speak.
I could go on, but it would just keep getting sillier,
so why bother?
-jc
ed wolf
> Well, I have heard several religionistic explanations for race. One
> particularly idiotic person once explaned black people as a hybrid
> between Cain, and Monkeys, and being black was the "Mark of Cain".
> Another idiot once told me that, in God's anger, he not only
> differentiated people's languages, but their color to help avert
> another "Tower of Babble" incident.
That reminds me of my religious education in school in the 60s:
Because that black king Caspar ,(or was it Melchior?)
touched the baby Jesus, the palm of his hand became white,
and all blacks have got light skinned palms since.
cheers,
ed
Uncle Vic
> This was effectively the State of Virginia's argument in the Loving v.
> Virginia case,
>
> "Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red,
> and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the
> interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such
> marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not
> intend for the races to mix." - Judge Leon Brazile, Caroline County
> justice ruling against the Lovings for being "illegally" married and
> having marital sex, 1959.
As usual, it all boils down to magic. "With God, all things are possible".
What a load.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Christians are like Slinkys. They're boring, but they'll put a smile on
your face when you push them down the stairs.
Uncle Vic
wrote:
Of course, having nothing but a long-haired unshaven "god" to compare
himself to, he'd have known no better.
Uncle Vic
From "Blazing Saddles"
Hedley Lamarr: Sign here.
[Bart reaches for the pen... revealing his black hands]
Jim: [quickly] Why, Rhett! How many times have I told you to wash up
after weekly cross burning?
[licks his fingers, then rubs Bart's hand]
Jim: See, it's coming off.
[Taggart whips off Bart's hood]
Bart: And now, for my next impression... Jesse Owens.