Revenge in The Odyssey, by Homer
Warhol
The Greeks, as portrayed by Homer, are a very vengeful people.
Throughout The Odyssey, a theme of vengeance is dominant. These
displays of retribution come from different entities for fairly
different reasons. So why is revenge such a factor in The Odyssey?
Fear and the overwhelming feeling of payback are two answers. Homer
gives numerous examples of how certain characters demonstrate their
power in a fury of rage. He writes of the payback Zeus gives to those
who break the rules, of Poseidon's hatred towards Odysseus, and of
Odysseus's revenge to those who have dishonored his home.
Zeus is the most powerful of all gods. All the Greeks with sense know
not to cross him. A major practice in their culture is to invite in
visitors that come to their doorsteps. This practice involves caring
for the visitor by bathing and feeding them. After the visitor has
been cared for, the host and visitor discuss the lineage of the
visitor. This is done with the fear of Zeus and those who don't follow
the practice are dealt with. Those who don't follow this practice are
considered barbarians. Homer gives a clue into the extent of the fear
when he writes that Telemakhos was "irked with himself / to think a
visitor had been kept their waiting..." (5). One example in The Odyssey
is when Odysseus comes to the home of the Kyklops. Odysseus states:
"We will entreat you, great Sir, have a care for the gods' courtesy;
Zeus will avenge the unoffending guest" (153).
Kyklops just answers that, "We Kyklopes care not for your thundering
Zeus..."(153). This is a big mistake because directly after this
statement, the Kyklops eats some of Odysseus's men. Zeus does avenge
the men through Odysseus. Odysseus gets the Kyklops drunk and stabs
out his eye, allowing an escape. One thing that is bad for Odysseus,
though, is the fact that Kyklops is the son of Poseidon, god of the
earthquake. This now spurs a new challenge for Odysseus: he must get
home with Poseidon's obstacles.
Poseidon has never really liked Odysseus. When Odysseus tries to make
it onto the shore of Skheria, Poseidon "...calls up wind / from every
quarter, and sends a wall of rain..." (89). Consequently, it is a safe
assumption that Poseidon will really have it in for Odysseus. He
states, "I thought he should suffer all the way [home]" (233). After
Odysseus returns home, Poseidon talks to Zeus and says he wants to put
a mountain ring around the city and crush the ship of the Phaiakians.
Zeus persuades him otherwise to just turn the boat to stone. For
Poseidon, this was all for naught since Odysseus is safe on his home
island of Ithaka.
Odysseus, now home, must keep his true identity under wraps until he
gets rid of the suitors. He also wants to find out for himself how
faithful Penelope has been to him. He enters his old palace under the
disguise of a beggar; in fact, he gets help from Athena to help him
change his physical appearance. Once in the palace, he sees how the
suitors have totally overrun his home. He also finds that Penelope has
been faithful to him, even using trickery to hold off the suitors for
all this time. Odysseus gets his revenge near the end of the story by
killing the suitors with his great bow. He also kills every
maidservant who has gone to bed with a suitor. This is also a great
example of how Zeus puts doom on someone (or in this case a whole
group) who abuses the host-guest relationship. With this deed now
done, Odysseus has completed the task of getting on with his life with
Penelope and without the traitorous suitors.
As you can clearly see, The Odyssey has an overwhelming theme of
revenge. It is important to the culture as a whole. It is shown
through examples of Zeus's rage and Poseidon's persistence. It is then
completed through the great triumph of Odysseus. The Greeks definitely
make it a point to gain retribution against those who have wronged
them.
QAR har harrrrrW... Prepare Silver... Or Else... The Plank...
Jeckyl
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> Revenge in The Odyssey, by Homer
Is there a point you're trying to make in that post?
Warhol
No... why you see a link with something?
Jeckyl
So it was posted for no reason at all?
Why did you bother?
Warhol
> "Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:1174970744....@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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> > On Mar 27, 6:19 am, "Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> "Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1174968924.8...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Revenge in The Odyssey, by Homer
> >> Is there a point you're trying to make in that post?
> > No... why you see a link with something?
>
> So it was posted for no reason at all?
>
> Why did you bother?
To teach that something like a revenge of and dead Pirate may exist...
but ofcourse all this is old story only... so dont Worry I dont see
any connection with the Revenge of Gran'da'dy Blackbeard and his
friend Red Beard...
The plank may exist and the great Bow may be a CometH.... but
connection surly there are not... We Moors never have given a horse...
oeps wait.. where are my Moorish Horses?
Jeckyl
> On Mar 27, 6:49 am, "Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> "Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> To teach that something like a revenge of and dead Pirate may exist...
> but ofcourse all this is old story only... so dont Worry I dont see
> any connection with the Revenge of Gran'da'dy Blackbeard and his
> friend Red Beard...
>
> The plank may exist and the great Bow may be a CometH.... but
> connection surly there are not... We Moors never have given a horse...
> oeps wait.. where are my Moorish Horses?
So it was just because you like the sound of your own babbling voice. And
you can be ignored without any loss to society. Just wanted to be sure ..
thanks for confirming it.
Warhol
> "Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174971554....@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Mar 27, 6:49 am, "Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> "Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> Why did you bother?
>
> > To teach that something like a revenge of and dead Pirate may exist...
> > but ofcourse all this is old story only... so dont Worry I dont see
> > any connection with the Revenge of Gran'da'dy Blackbeard and his
> > friend Red Beard...
>
> > The plank may exist and the great Bow may be a CometH.... but
> > connection surly there are not... We Moors never have given a horse...
> > oeps wait.. where are my Moorish Horses?
>
> So it was just because you like the sound of your own babbling voice. And
> you can be ignored without any loss to society. Just wanted to be sure ..
> thanks for confirming it.
Bye Bye...
Double-A
Not only that, but the suiters who survived the battle were tortured
and dismembered (balls first)! Yes, Odysseus knew how to pay pack!
Double-A
Warhol
The story begins with Telemachus (Telemakhos) Son of Odysseus and
Penelope, anger at the suitors who are wasting away his estate. At the
encouragement of Athena, he begins a journey to search for news of his
father. When he returns to Ithaca, he helps his father overcome the
suitors and regain his power.
suitors: Princes and nobles from Ithaca and the surrounding islands
who take up residence in the house of Odysseus waiting for Penelope to
choose a new husband. This is so important to them because whoever
marries her becomes king by transfer of her power. (The story of the
frog who wanted to marrie a Queen)
Mt. Olympus (Mt. Olympos): Mythical home of the gods. A mountain where
the Greeks believed the gods made their home. It was located on the
western side of Greece. (And Not in the East)
Penelope's main device of deceit for the suitors, she promised them
she would choose a new husband after she was done weaving a death
shroud for Odysseus. She would weave(Spinning Wheels?) all day and
then at night, after the suitors left, she would unweave her work.
This lasted four years before the suitors figured it out.
"'My word, how mortals take the gods to task!
All their afflictions come from us, we hear.
And what of their own failings? Greed and folly
double the suffering in the lot of man.
See how Aigisthos, for his double portion,
stole Agamemnon's wife and killed the soldier on his homecoming day.
And yet Aigisthos knew what doom lay in this.'" Book 1, lines 48-55
"what if his great father
came from the unknown world and rove these men
like dead leaves through the place?" Book 1, lines 145-7
"'Friend, let me put it in the plainest way.
My mother says I am his son; I know not
surely. Who has known his own engendering?
I wish at least I had some happy man
as father, going old in his house-
but unknown death and silence are the fate
of him that, since you ask, they call my father.'" Book 1, lines
258-64
"So said Telemakhos, though in his heart
he knew his visitor had been immortal.
But now the suitors turned to play again
with dance and haunting song. they played till nightfall
indeed black night came on them at their pleasure.
and half asleep they left, each for his Bed." Book 1, lines 472-7
"'Old man go tell the omens for your children
at home, and try to keep them out of trouble.
I am more fit to interpret this than you are.
Bird life aplenty is found in the sunny air,
not all of it is significant. As for Odysseus,
he perished far from home. You should have perished with him-'" Book
2, lines 188-193
"'it is so clear that no one here remembers
how like a gentle father Odysseus ruled you.'" Book 2, lines 244-5
"'he will tell you history and no lies.'" Book 3, line 24
"'If only that Odysseus met the suitors,
they'd have their consummation, a cold bed!'" Book 4, lines 371-72
"'Before the end my heart was broken down.
I slumped on the trampled sand and cried aloud,
caring no more for life or the light of day,
and rolled there weeping, till my tears were spent.'" Book 4, lines
574-77
"'Why has my child left me?...
Why did he go? Must he, too, be forgotten?'" Book 4, lines 758-61
"'I long for home, long for the sight of home.
If any god has marked me out again
for shipwreck, my tough heart can undergo it.
What hardship have I not long since endured
at sea, in battle! Let the trial come.'" Book 5, 229-33
"'The wind that carried west from Ilion
brought me to Ismaros, on the far shore,
a strongpoint on the coast of the Kikones.
I stormed that place and killed the men who fought.
Plunder we took, and we enslaved the women,
to make division, equal shares to all.'" Book 9, lines 43-8
"'Captain, shake off this trance, and think of home-
if home indeed awaits us...'"
"'Homeward you think we must be sailing
to our own land; no elsewhere is the voyage
Kirk has laid upon me. We must go
to the cold homes of death and pale Persephone
to hear Teiresias tell of time to come.'" Book 10, lines 621-5
"'Stand clear, put up your sword;
let me but taste of blood. I shall speak true.'" Book 11, lines 106-7
"'How does he stand now in your eyes, this captain,
the look and bulk of him, the inward poise?
He is my guest, but each one shares this honor.
Be in no haste to send him on his way
or scant your bounty in his need. Remember
how rich, by heaven's will, your possessions are.'" Book 11, lines
391-6
"'Shipmates, grieving and weary though you are,
listen: I had forewarning from Teiresias
and Kirke, too; both told me I must shun
this island of the Sun, the world's delight.
Nothing but fatal trouble shall we find here,
Pull away, then, and put the land astern.'" Book 12, lines 350-5
"'The present doom upon the ship - on me-
my father prophesied in the olden time.
If we gave safe conveyance to all passengers
we should incur Poseidon's wrath, he said,
whereby one day a fair ship, manned by Phaiakians,
would come to grief at the god's hands;'" Book 13, lines 215-220
"'Back with me!
Telemakhos, more sweet to me than sunlight!
I thought I should not see you again, ever,
after you took the ship that night to Pylos-
against my will, with not a word! You went
for news of your dear father. Tell me now
of everything you saw!'" Book 17, lines 51-7
"'here is the beautiful place- who could mistake it?
here is Odysseus' hall: no hall like this!'" Book 17, lines 340-1
"'Yes!
You are Odysseus! Ah, dear child! I could not
see you until now- not till I knew
my master's body with my hands!' Book 19, lines 549-52
"'Herrdsman, I make you out to be no coward
and no fool: I can see that for myself.
So let me tell you this. I swear by Zeus
al highest, by the table set for friends,
and by your king's hearthstone to which I've come,
Odysseus will return. You'll be on hand
to see, if you care to see it,
how those who lord it here will be cut down.'" Book 20, lines 250-7
"'Here is my lord Odysseus' hunting bow.
Bend and string it if you can. Who sends an arrow
through iron axe-helve sockets twelve in line?
I join my life with his and leave this place, my home,
my rich and beautiful bridal house, forever
to be remembered, though I dream it only.'" Book 21, lines 78-83
"'Mother as to the bow and who may handle it
or not handle it, no man here
has more authority than I do- not the lord
or our own stony Ithaka nor the islands lying
east towards Elis; no one stops me if I choose
to give these weapons outright to my guest.'" Book 21,lines 388-393
"Think of a catch that fishermen haul in to a halfmoon bay
in a fine-meshed net from the whit-caps of the sea:
how all are poured out on the sand, in throes for the salt- sea,
twitching their cold lives away in Helios' fiery air:
so lay the suitors heaped on one another." Book 22, lines 432-6
"'The royal pair mingled in love again
and afterward lay revelling in stories:
hers of the siege her beauty stood at home
from arrogant suitors, crowding on her sight,
and how they fed their courtships on his cattle
oxen and fat sheep, and drank up rivers
of wine out of the vats. Odysseus told
of what hard blows he had dealt to others
and of what blows he had taken-all that story.'" Book 23, lines 337-46
"'So the great soldier
took his bow and bent it for the bowstring
effortlessly. He drilled the axeheads clean,
sprang, and decanted arrows on the door sill,
glared, and drew again. This time he killed
Antinoos.'" Book 24, lines 196-201
"'Now hear me, men of Ithaka.
When these hard deeds were done by Lord Odysseus
the immortal gods were not far off. I saw
with my own eyes someone divine who fought
beside him, in the shape and dress of Mentor;
it was a god who shone before Odysseus,
a god who swept the suitors down the hall
dying in droves.'" Book 24, lines 489-96
Right ... Words of Wisdom and Great Faith.. for he that has ears to
hear... and eyes to see...
Art Deco
So you agree with WarpHole's racist rants about "yids" and threats to
behead people?
--
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"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
John "C"
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> So you agree with WarpHole's racist rants about "yids" and threats to
> behead people?
>
Do you ever wash the boy Jizz out of your huge white SanFrancisco style
mustache?
HJ
AOK
there's so much that his 'stache has to pay child support.
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Warhol
Caf'Ard... Double A came to the same conclusions as I did... thats
all. He didnt paye silver yet.
Tell me Caf'Ard are ye afraid of Revenge....
The travelers journey to the house of Menelaus who is holding a double
wedding for his daughter to Achilles' son and another's daughter to
his son. When Telemachus and Peisistratos arrive, they are immediately
announced to Menelaus, but the herald asks if they should invite them
in. Menelaus is indignant with this question as he tells the herald,
because he would never have made it home if it were not for the
charity of other hosts. After being led into the hall, Telemachus and
Peisistratos are cleansed by hand-maidens and fed. When they are
ready, Menelaus welcomes them and asks to hear their names. They sit
down at the feast, but Telemachus does not stay silent. He speaks to
Peisistratos:
"My dear friend, can you believe you eyes?-
The murmuring hall, how luminous it is
with bronze gold, amber, silver, and ivory!
This is the way the court of Zeus must be,
inside, upon Olympos. What wonder!" Book 4, lines 77-81
Menelaus tells him that mortals cannot rival Zeus and describes how
hard it was to get such wealth through wandering and war. He tells
them he would gladly have only a third of the wealth to have his
friends back. He says next that Odysseus went through more than anyone
else. Telemachus is affected by this and he begins to weep.
Helen tells Menelaus that the guests have not yet introduced
themselves but she is sure that one is Telemachus, the son of
Odysseus. Menelaus says he also sees the likeness. Peisistratos speaks
and confirms their suspicions also explaining that they were sent by
Nestor because Telemachus was seeking news of his father. He also
describes Telemachus' plight with the suitors. Menelaus exclaims "His
son, in my house! How I loved the man,/ And how he fought through
hardship for my sake!" Book 3, lines 181-2.
Helen decides she will drug them so that they will sleep and forget
their sorrow. She puts as potion into the wine as it is served and
then recounts a deed of Odysseus. In Troy he had disguised himself as
a beggar.. Helen had discovered his identity but promised not to
reveal him to the Trojans. He told her about the dying Akhaians and
made her want to return to Greece. Menelaus says that he has never
seen another man like Odysseus and recounts how Odysseus stopped men
from crying out inside the wooden horse.
Helen calls the maid to make the beds and they all go to sleep. When
dawn comes again Menelaus goes to Telemachus and asks him why he came.
Telemachus tells him that he seeks news of his father and he relays
the news of the suitors. This enrages Menelaus."If only that Odysseus
met the suitors,/ they'd have their consummation, a cold bed!" Book 4,
lines 371-72
Menelaus recounts his own journey and tells how he was becalmed for
twenty days.
His plight distressed Eidothea, a nymph who came to him and asks him
why he lets his people waste away. He asked her how to get home and
she told him that if he captured her father Proteus by surprise, he
would help him leave. She told him there is a certain cave where seals
sleep that Proteus goes to at dawn. Menelaus and two chosen men were
to go there and hide among the seals and grab Proteus by surprise.
They were to hold on no matter what form he changed into. When he
stopped changing, then Menelaus could ask him which god was angry with
them, then they could sacrifice to that god. Menelaus and his men
snuck into the cave before dawn and grabbed Proteus when he came to
look over the seals. He changed into animals and trees to tried to
frighten them, but they did not let go. Menelaus asked him "Which of
the immortals chained me here?" Book 4, line 502. Proteus told him
that he did not sacrifice to Zeus and the other gods upon his
departure and advises that they needed return to the Nile and make a
sacrifice. Menelaus told him he would do this but asked him about his
comrades. Proteus answered that one is alive at sea and the other,
Ajax is dead. Proteus also told him about the death of Agamemnon.
Menelaus recounts to Telemachus:
"Before the end my heart was broken down.
I slumped on the trampled sand and cried aloud,
caring no more for life or the light of day,
and rolled there weeping, till my tears were spent." Book 4, lines
574-77
Proteus told him not to mourn but to hasten home. First he had to make
sacrifices. Menelaus asked one more question of Odysseus and Proteus
told him that Odysseus was weeping on the island of Calypso. Soon
after, Proteus departed and in the morning Menelaus carried out a
funeral for Agamemnon. They returned home. Menelaus tells Telemachus
that he should stay with him for eleven or twelve days and then he may
return home with handsome gifts. Telemachus responds that he must not
be kept because his sailors are waiting idly in Pylos and his affairs
are proceeding without him in Ithaca. Menelaus is pleased with this
and gives him a mixing bowl made by Hephaistos.
Meanwhile in Ithaca, the suitors are having a javelin competition and
Noemen, the man who lent the boat to Mentor (Athena), asks Antinoos
when Telemachus will return. The suitors are surprised because they
didn't think he would really leave. Noemen tells them that he gave the
boat because it is right to help a good prince. After he leaves,
Antinoos blazes with anger and says that he wants to pursue Telemachus
and make sure that he doesn't return. Medon, the crier, rushes to
Penelope and tells her that her son has left. She laments that her son
is in danger, "Why has my child left me?.../ Why did he go? Must he,
too, be forgotten?" Book 4, lines 758-61. Medon tells her that a god
made him leave and Penelope says that the winds have blown her son
away. She asks for someone to be sent to inform Laertes to ask for
help. Eurykleia admits that she took part in Telemachus' departure and
she tells Penelope to pray to Athena who will help her son. She
advises that old Laertes should be spared the news. Meanwhile the
suitors prepare to leave. Penelope falls to sleep and Athena sends her
a dream. The dream speaks:
"Sleepest thou sorrowing Penelope?
The gods whose life is ease no longer suffer thee
to pine and weep, then; he returns unharmed,
thy little one, no way hath he offended." Book 4, lines 857-60
Penelope asks the dream why she has come and laments her fate again.
The dream tells her not to fear because Athena pities her. Penelope
asks what has become of Odysseus and the dream says she cannot speak
of him. The suitors leave in search of Telemachus.
Art Deco
I'm not afraid of your impotent kookthreats, fez-head, and I will
continue to laugh at your goofy kookdrool.
>
>The travelers journey to the house of Menelaus who is holding a double
>wedding for his daughter to Achilles' son and another's daughter to
[goofy screed flushed]
John "C"
"Art Deco" <er...@caballista.org> wrote in message
>I will continue to laugh at your goofy kookdrool.
>
And we will continue to be entertained by you and your Gay Duckie pal
"Ko0kDancing".
Keep-up your Ko0kdancing!
** I COMMAND IT !!!! **
"Commander" HJ
Warhol
Book 5
Dawn rises the next day and Athena addresses Zeus about the suffering
of Odysseus on Calypso's island. She tells him it is not right that no
one in Ithaca remembers Zeus while the suitors plot to kill
Telemachus. Zeus replies:
"My child, what odd complaints you let escape you.
Have you not, you yourself, arranged this matter-
as we all know- so that Odysseus
will bring these men to book, on his return?" Book 5, lines 24-7
He sends Hermes to Calypso to demand that she release Odysseus,
prescribing that Odysseus must make his own raft and float alone for
twenty days until he lands on Skheria where the Phaiakians will honor
him. Hermes flies like a gull over the crests of waves and arrives at
the home of Calypso. She recognizes him and gives him food and drink.
He tells her that he has been forced by Zeus to tell her to release
Odysseus. She shouts "Oh you vile gods, in jealousy supernal/ you hate
it when we choose to lie with men-" Book 5, 124-5. She reflects on
other gods who have slept with mortals and then tells Hermes that she
has no ship in which to send Odysseus. Hermes tells her that she needs
to send him, nevertheless, in a raft of his own making. He leaves and
she goes out to find Odysseus. She tells him that he must build a raft
which she will provision with food and clothing. Odysseus does not
believe her and exclaims at the idea of crossing the ocean on a raft.
He asks her to swear to enchant him no more and she does, unwillingly.
He goes to her house and eats in the place left by Hermes. Calypso
asks him how he can want to go home when she is divine and beautiful.
He replies:
"I long for home, long for the sight of home.
If any god has marked me out again
for shipwreck, my tough heart can undergo it.
What hardship have I not long since endured
at sea, in battle! Let the trial come." Book 5, 229-33
The sun sets and they go to sleep.
At dawn Odysseus prepares for the journey and carefully builds a raft.
This takes four days. On the fifth Calypso bathes him and enchants a
wind to push him advising him to keep cometh stars on his left side.
He sails for seventeen days and then sees land. Poseidon sees this and
is upset by it. He knows that he cannot stop the journey so he decides
to make it harder. He sends a storm that makes Odysseus wish he had
died at Troy. The waves batter him and one breaks his mast. The
goddess Ino sees him struggling in the water and gives him her magical
veil which will support him as he makes the long swim to shore. She
advises him to drop it as soon as he nears land, but he doesn't trust
her because he thinks she is trying to trick him from the boat. A wave
forces him into the water. He floats for two days and when he nears
the land all he can see are violent crags and cliffs. He loses heart
and laments "A cruel turn, this. Never had I thought/ to see this
land, but Zeus has let me see it-" Book 5, lines 426-7. As a wave
lifts him he grips onto a rocky ledge and is pulled back by the
undertow. When he comes up again he sees the mouth of a calm river and
goes for it praying to the god of the stream. The river god makes it
quiet for him. Odysseus lays on its bank for a while, barely
breathing. He gets up and tunnels under some leaves in a thicket to
avoid the cold just as a man buries the last embers of fire to save
them for the next day...
Prepare Silver Gran'da'dy is CometH... you read here Black on White...
even it will not be an easy task... But You Wont escape the Revenge of
Odysseus... Have you still not understood Caf'Ard?
Art Deco
>Prepare Silver Gran'da'dy is CometH... you read here Black on White...
>even it will not be an easy task... But You Wont escape the Revenge of
>Odysseus... Have you still not understood Caf'Ard?
What?
Warhol
> Warhol <MolarH_...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Prepare Silver Gran'da'dy is CometH... you read here Black on White...
> >even it will not be an easy task... But You Wont escape the Revenge of
> >Odysseus... Have you still not understood Caf'Ard?
>
> What?
>
> --
Book 7
Nausicaa rides home and goes to her own room as Odysseus walks into
the city and to the palace. Athena covers him in a fog so that no one
will hinder him and she comes to him in the form of a small girl
holding a jug. Odysseus speaks to her:
"Little one, could you take me to the house
of that Alkinoos, king among these people?
You see, I am a poor old stranger here;
my home is far away; here there is no one
known to me, in countryside or city." Book 7, lines 25-9
She tells him that many people do not trust stranger so he must be
quiet and she guides him to the palace which was built by a son of
Poseidon. Alcinoos is Poseidon's grandson and his brother died young
leaving only a daughter Arete who was married to Alcinoos. She is wise
and merciful. Odysseus goes into the palace filled with gold and
silver with enough rooms for fifty maids-in-waiting. There is an
orchard on both sides with tender fruits of all kinds. Beyond is a
vineyard and many sorts of vegetables. Odysseus, hardened by the sea,
is amazed by all of this and just stares. He enters the house and
throws himself at the knees of Arete pleading that she give him
passage to his fatherland.
Everyone is silent after he speaks. An old man speaks first and tells
Alcinoos to give courtesy to the guest and offer him food and shelter.
Alcinoos heeds his advice and his eldest son yields his own seat at
the table to Odysseus.
After he has eaten, Alcinoos speaks and asks that the elders gather in
the morning to discuss the stranger and how he may get home quickly.
Odysseus tells him that he is not going to harm them and asks for a
little more food because he is so hungry and has suffered for a long
time. Everyone accepts this request and Odysseus continues to eat
alongside the King and Queen. Arete asks him who he is and how he came
to the island and where he got clothing. He tells, briefly, of the
island of Calypso and the drowning of his shipmates. After many years
he was allowed to leave and was struck by a terrible storm on the sea.
He recounts what happened in the thicket and how he rose to the sound
of Nausicaa and her servants who helped him. He explains that he came
into the city after them. Alcinoos replies:
"Friend, my child's good judgment failed in this-
not to have brought you in her company home.
Once you approached her, you became her charge." Book 7, lines 321-3
Odysseus tells him that he wouldn't have walked with the girls anyway.
Alcinoos says that if he wishes he may marry Nausicaa and become his
son-in-law, but if he doesn't, he will lend him a ship to get home.
Odysseus is overjoyed and prays to Zeus that everything may be done in
this way. A maid leads him to his bed and he goes to sleep.
Caf'Ard this only to remind that gran'da'dy revenge shall be terrible
for vermin of your kind... I just wanted that know this...
Phineas T Puddleduck
1175026938.8...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "Warhol"
<Molar...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> Caf'Ard this only to remind that gran'da'dy revenge shall be terrible
> for vermin of your kind... I just wanted that know this...
What, does he dribble on people? Complain loudly that the soup is cold?
--
Painius admits he cannot answer a single question to NB:
"Yes, you're right of course, NB. And they get very useless very quickly.
I shall do my best to ignore them, as you wish."
Warhol
<phineaspuddled...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 27/3/07 21:22, in article1175026938.838017.203...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "Warhol"
>
> <MolarH_...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Caf'Ard this only to remind that gran'da'dy revenge shall be terrible
>
> What, does he dribble on people? Complain loudly that the soup is cold?
>
> --
Book 8
Alcinoos wakes at dawn and calls the assembly of old men. Athena
rouses them to get up and go to the assembly. She makes Odysseus look
more lordly and everyone is impressed when he arrives. Alcinoos tells
the assembly that the traveler has appealed to them for passage home.
They grant him a ship and fifty-two crewmen . While this is being
prepared, they all go to a feast and listen to the songs of the singer
Demodokos. The singer begins:
"In time, when hunger and thirst were turned away,
the Muse brought to the minstrel's mind a song
of heroes whose great fame rang under heaven:
the clash between Odysseus and Akhilleus,
how one time they contended at the godfeast
raging, and the marshal, Agamemnon
felt inward joy over his captains' quarrel" Book 8, lines 78-84
Odysseus tries to hide that he is crying as this story continues.
Alcinoos sees this and decides to hold a contest of physical prowess
instead of the harp. He has men line up outside in preparation for the
running contest. His son wins. Next there is a wrestling match, the
broad jump, the javelin, and boxing. Alcinoos suggest that they ask
Odysseus if he competes in anything because he looks impressively
strong. Laodamas encourages him to join the contest and Odysseus asks
them why they want to challenge him. At this, a young man nicknamed
Seareach jests that he must be of a lowly birth because he never
learned a sport. Odysseus tells Seareach that he has a fine body but
no brains. Then he says that although he is old and cramped with pains
he will take the challenge because he feels insulted. He grabs a
discus and throws it further than anyone else. The he announces that
he will accept a challenge (from anyone except Laodamas, the son of
his host ) in any sport but running because his legs are weak from his
days on the sea.
Alcinoos tells him that he shouldn't fear offending Laodamas because
he was offended first and then calls for another feast. The minstrel
sings of Ares' affair with Aphrodite and how her husband Hephaistos
crafted a trap to catch them in the act of love. When Hephaistos
returned to find his trap full he called out to Zeus: "O Father Zeus,
O gods in bliss forever,/ here is indecorous entertainment for you,"
Book 8, lines 323-4.
All the gods crowded into to gawk at the shameful scene and then tried
to appease Hephaistos so that he would release them. Apollo offers him
a chain coverlet and Hephaistos says all he wants is to lie next to
his wife... The gods laugh at this and Poseidon says that he will pay
what ever Hephaistos asks if he releases Ares. Hephaistos releases
them and they both flee. Odysseus enjoys the tale and when it is
finished Alcinoos calls his sons to dance. They balance and bounce a
ball as they dance. Odysseus compliments the king. Alcinoos calls the
men together and announces that each should present Odysseus with a
cloak and a bar of gold. Seareach gives Odysseus a broad sword as well
as an apology. Odysseus accepts this and the gifts of everyone else.
Arete has everything put in a chest for him and tells him to bind it
up so that no one may steal anything. He is lead to the wine hall and
Nausicaa wishes him farewell. At the feast, Odysseus eats with
Alcinoos and has a piece of meat given to Demodokos in praise for his
songs of the Akhaians and advises him "Now shift your theme and sing
that wooden horse/ Epeios built, inspired by Athena-." Book 8, lines
526-7. The minstrel sings about the horse and the destruction of Troy.
He mentions how Odysseus fought side by side with Menelaus and
Odysseus begins to weep again. He tries to hide it but Alkinoos sees
it and asks for Demodokos to stop because it is not right to harm a
guest. Then he turns to Odysseus and asks him to tell them where he is
from and what he has been doing. He says that his father once told him
that some of his men would be killed for giving passage to a stranger.
Then he asks Odysseus if any of his friends or kin died at Troy.
Right... The Warholian Horse, remember troy... so will your balls
shall be cut... Queens Ann Revenge said Gran'da'dy... QAR... Til HAR
HAR HAR... the Plank with the Caf'Ard's...
Phineas T Puddleduck
1175028855.3...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "Warhol"
<Molar...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> Right... The Warholian Horse, remember troy... so will your balls
> shall be cut... Queens Ann Revenge said Gran'da'dy... QAR... Til HAR
> HAR HAR... the Plank with the Caf'Ard's...
Empty Warhol threat #123,324,516,563
Warhol
<phineaspuddled...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 27/3/07 21:54, in article1175028855.349610.194...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "Warhol"
>
> <MolarH_...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Right... The Warholian Horse, remember troy... so will your balls
> > shall be cut... Queens Ann Revenge said Gran'da'dy... QAR... Til HAR
> > HAR HAR... the Plank with the Caf'Ard's...
>
> Empty Warhol threat #123,324,516,563
>
> --
Book 9
Odysseus begins by saying that it is a great thing to listen to such a
minstrel perform his songs, but that by asking for the cause of his
sorrow he causes more grief. He gives them his name and says his home
is Ithaca. Then he says that he has been detained for a long time by
Calypso and before her by Circe. He starts at his departure from Troy:
"The wind that carried west from Ilion
brought me to Ismaros, on the far shore,
a strongpoint on the coast of the Kikones.
I stormed that place and killed the men who fought.
Plunder we took, and we enslaved the women,
to make division, equal shares to all." Book 9, lines 43-8
When he ordered his men to leave this landing, they mutinied and could
not leave before reinforcements arrived. Many of his men were killed
trying to get away from there. Next, a storm delayed them for three
days after which a wind pushed them for nine days to the island of the
Lotus eaters. The men who ate the Lotus with the island's inhabitants
had no desire to leave the island but had to be dragged away kicking
and screaming. Next they came near the land of the Cyclops and they
landed on an island in view of it. They admired the island for its
good land and harbors and they slept there for the night. When dawn
rose they hunted the plentiful game and feasted on many goats, gazing
at the smoke of the Cyclops. When they woke up, Odysseus addressed
them and told them that he wanted to cross the bay and investigate
what type of men lived across it. In one ship they crossed the strait
and could see the flocks and rough buildings of the Cyclops.
They beached close to where they could see one sleeping in his cave.
Odysseus walked up to the cave with a goatskin full of wine. The
cyclops had left the cave because he took his sheep out to pasture. In
the cave they found cheeses and lambs separated by age. The men wanted
to take these things but Odysseus told them not to. They lit a fire to
make an offering and eat some cheese. When the cyclops returned they
hid and watched him milk the ewes. Soon, he saw them and reacted
"Strangers. . .who are you? and where from?/ What brings you here by
sea ways- a fair traffic? Book 9, lines 274-5. Odysseus was afraid but
he spoke anyway and entreated the cyclops to give them the courtesy
due a guest.
The cyclops told him that he didn't care about Zeus and did not fear
him. He asked where they hid their ship and Odysseus, knowing that the
cyclops means to destroy it, tells him it was destroyed and they are
shipwrecked. The cyclops grabbed two of the men and bashed their heads
on rocks. The remaining men cried aloud as he ate their comrades.
Odysseus had a sword but did not dare kill the cyclops because he was
afraid that he wouldn't be able to move the stone the beast rolled in
front of the door. When dawn rises, the cyclops lights a fire and
takes his sheep through the door, rolling the stone in front of the
cave as he left. Odysseus found a mast size portion of an olive tree
and they sharpened it in the fire. Odysseus and four other men agreed
to wield the weapon. When the cyclops came back Odysseus offered him
the wineskin and he drank it all. Once he is drunk, Odysseus said to
him:
"Kyklops,
you ask my honorable name? Remember
the gift you promised me, and I shall tell you.
my name is Nohbdy: mother father and friends,
everyone calls me Nohbdy." Book 9, lines 394 - 399
The cyclops was drunk enough to be stumbling around, and they take
this opportunity to drive the giant pike into his eye. He yells out
and claws at his face pulling out the pike. The other cyclops gathered
around the outside of the closed cave trying to figure out what is
causing the terrible wail. The cyclops Polyphemus yelled to them that
"Nohbdy, Nohbdy's tricked me, Nohbdy's ruined me" Book 9, line 443.
They thought that he was saying 'nobody' so they went away because
they assumed it the work of the gods. Polyphemus opened the door and
to let his sheep out but stood in front of it to stop the men from
leaving. Odysseus thought hard to figure out how to get past him and
he devised away for the men to be strapped to the under bellies of the
sheep. The next morning, as the sheep went out, Polyphemus ran his
hands over heir woolly backs to make sure that they are sheep. They
dropped from the bellies of the sheep when they got out and ran to the
ship. Once away, Odysseus yelled back:
"O Kyklops! Would you feast on my companions?
Puny, am I, in a Caveman's hands?
How do you like the beating that we gave you,
you damned cannibal? Eater of guests
under your roof! Zeus and the gods have paid you!" Book 9, lines
519-23
Polyphemus hurled rocks after them and caused giant waves. The men
told Odysseus to stop yelling because his voice was guiding the
cyclops' aim. Odysseus yelled out his name and took responsibility for
blinding him. Polyphemus yelled that he would get vengeance from his
father Poseidon. Then he prayed to his father that even if Odysseus
was destined to return home, may he return home with no companions and
after a great while... He hurled again and just barely missed. They
rowed quickly and joined the other men and made a sacrifice of part of
the flock they stole from Polyphemus. They feasted all day long and
left at dawn the next morning.
You see you even angred Gods and will receive Cometh Rock's on your
Caf'Ards heads... I say only justice shall be done... Liars dont
belong amongst God children... Rotten appels shall burn... what a
relieve will that be thank to the Plank... Next your gone to Hell
Fire...
Phineas T Puddleduck
1175029659.8...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, "Warhol"
<Molar...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You see you even angred Gods and will receive Cometh Rock's on your
> Caf'Ards heads... I say only justice shall be done... Liars dont
> belong amongst God children... Rotten appels shall burn... what a
> relieve will that be thank to the Plank... Next your gone to Hell
> Fire...
1) There is no CometH
2) You've been making these baseless empty threats for a while and we're
still here
3) You're a pathetic loon, racist prejudiced little shit.
Warhol
<phineaspuddled...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 27/3/07 22:07, in article1175029659.826412.244...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, "Warhol"
>
> <MolarH_...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You see you even angred Gods and will receive Cometh Rock's on your
> > Caf'Ards heads... I say only justice shall be done... Liars dont
> > belong amongst God children... Rotten appels shall burn... what a
> > relieve will that be thank to the Plank... Next your gone to Hell
> > Fire...
>
> 1) There is no CometH
> 2) You've been making these baseless empty threats for a while and we're
> still here
> 3) You're a pathetic loon, racist prejudiced little shit.
>
> --
Book 10
They landed next at the island of Aeolus the god-made king of the
winds. He kept Odysseus a month to hear the entire story of his
journey. In return for the tale, he gave them a bag of storm winds
with the promise that they would swiftly arrive at Ithaca. In sight of
Ithaca, Odysseus fell asleep and his men, thinking that there was
treasure in the bag for Aeolus, opened it and released the winds.
There was a terrible storm that blew them all the way back to Aeolus'
island. The king asked them why they had returned and when Odysseus
explained requesting more help, he responded "Take yourself out of
this island, creeping thing-/... Your voyage here was cursed by
heaven!" Book 10, lines 82-5.
There was no wind after they left for six days so they rowed and
arrived at a nightless island called Lamnos. Here they sheltered for
some sleep and then Odysseus sent some men out to investigate where
they had landed. These men were eaten by giants, the inhabitants of
the island. They came running after the ships and they had to depart
in haste. Next they landed on the island Aiaa, Circe's island. They
pulled into the cove and rested. After a day, Odysseus left with his
weapons to inspect the landscape. He saw a house with smoke coming
from its chimney and decided not to approach it without companions. As
he returned to the ship, he killed a buck with his spear and dragged
it to his companions. At dawn, Odysseus addressed his men and told
them about the house. They were hesitant because of their past few
experiences. Odysseus, however, roused them and sent 22 off. All
around the house of Circe were wolves and mountain lions who would not
attack. They came up to the men like pets. One of the men said to his
companions that it must be the house of a kind weaver, therefore they
need not be stealthy. All the men but Eurylochus went into the house
and drank with the woman.
They were all turned into pigs by the woman Circe. Eurylochus ran back
to the ships and told Odysseus this. Odysseus takes his weapons and
asked Eurylochus to lead him back. Eurylochus was too afraid to return
so Odysseus went alone. Hermes came to Odysseus and advised him not to
go and fight but to take an amulet from him and ingest a flower that
would defeat her magic. Hermes picked the flower for him and then
left. Odysseus went into the house of Circe. When he drank her potion
it did not affect him and she was impressed and assumed that he was a
god or a great man. When she found out who he was, she spoke:
"Odysseus then you are, O great contender,
of whom the glittering god with the golden wand
spoke to me ever, and foretold
the black swift ship would carry you from Troy.
Put up your weapon in the sheath. We two
shall mingle and make love upon our bed.
So mutual trust may come of play and love." Book 10, lines 371-77
Odysseus made her swear that if he went to bed with her she would do
no harm to him. Circe's four maids attended to him and bathed him.
When they brought him food, he wouldn't touch any of it. Circe asked
him why this was and he told her that he could not to eat when his men
had been turned into pigs. She transformed them back into men and they
were happy to see Odysseus. She told them to get the rest of the men
from the ship. They stowed the ship, but Eurylochus yelled against
this plan thinking it to be further trickery. Circe spoke to Odysseus
and told him to think of joy and not sorrow. After a year on the
island, one of the shipmates spoke to Odysseus saying "Captain, shake
off this trance, and think of home-/ if home indeed awaits us," Book
10, lines 521-2. Odysseus went to Circe and begged her to let them
leave. Circe told him that he must go to the land of death and seek
the prophecy of Tiresias before he could go home. Odysseus was upset
by this and asked who destined this journey. She told him how to get
to the land of the dead and what sacrifices to make there. As they
prepare to leave, Elpenor who had fallen asleep in drunkenness on the
roof, fell and died. No one noticed as Odysseus instructed his men:
"Homeward you think we must be sailing
to our own land; no elsewhere is the voyage
Kirk has laid upon me. We must go
to the cold homes of death and pale Persephone
to hear Teiresias tell of time to come." Book 10, lines 621-5
The men wept as they went to the ship, fearful of the journey to come.
Circe gave them a black ram and a black ewe to sacrifice when
appropriate.
and you will be still there when you will walk the Plank in the great
year of Y2K12W... dont worry... judgments is Walk... zid Goudem...
Caf'Ard.
This from the Yids Mishnah...(26) Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first
that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may
be clean also. (27) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
For ye are like unto whited sepulchres [burial vaults], which indeed
appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and
all uncleanness. (28) Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto
men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. (29) Woe unto
you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because ye build tombs of the
prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous. (30) And say,
If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been
partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. (31) Wherefore ye be
witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which
killed the prophets. (32) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
(33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?
Art Deco
>and you will be still there when you will walk the Plank in the great
>year of Y2K12W... dont worry... judgments is Walk... zid Goudem...
>Caf'Ard.
<yawn>
Warhol
> Warhol <MolarH_...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> >and you will be still there when you will walk the Plank in the great
> >year of Y2K12W... dont worry... judgments is Walk... zid Goudem...
> >Caf'Ard.
>
> <yawn>
>
Book 11
They sailed through the night into the sea. The came to the land of
the men of winter and beached the ships. Here Eurylochus and another
prepared the ram and ewe for sacrifice. Odysseus addressed a prayer to
the dead and sacrificed the sheep into a pit that had been dug. He let
the blood and gore of the beasts fall into the pit. The shadows of the
dead began to gather around this. The first of the dead to walk into
the pit was Elpenor. Elpenor told them what happened to him and asked
them to come back and bury him before they went home. Odysseus' mother
Antikleia came next but Odysseus had to hold her off with a sword.
After here, Tiresias arrived and spoke: "Stand clear, put up your
sword;/ let me but taste of blood. I shall speak true." Book 11, lines
106-7. Odysseus rested and Tiresias warned him of the trouble ahead.
He told him not to kill the cattle of the sun and he foresaw that he
will return home alone. After he deals with the suitors in Ithaca, he
is to walk inland until he finds people who have never heard of the
sea and sacrifice to Poseidon. Odysseus asked him why his mother did
not look at him and Tiresias said that she must be allowed to taste
the blood.
She came to him after awhile and asked him why he was in the gloom of
the dead and not in Ithaca. He told her that he had not yet been home
and she told him that Penelope was still there with Telemachus. She
relayed that Laertes was not doing well because he was sick with
longing for his son. She died recently. He tried to embrace her three
times but couldn't. He lamented to his mother. She explained that she
was not flesh and bones but just a soul. Many ghosts continued to
surround the pit and Odysseus had to hold them off with his sword.
Next a granddaughter of Aeolus told her story and then the mother of
Heracles and others.
The mother of Oedipus and Nestor's mother came forward. After these,
the mother of Castor and Pollux and Ariadne came. Odysseus goes
suddenly quiet and stops telling his story. Arete addressed the
assembled men "How does he stand now in your eyes, this captain,/ the
look and bulk of him, the inward poise?" Book 11, lines 391-2. Arete
and Alcinoos command that Odysseus rest one more day before he leaves
for Ithaca. Odysseus says that he would wait a year if Alcinoos wished
it because it would be far better to return to Ithaca with wealth. The
king tells Odysseus that he wants to hear more of the story.
Odysseus continues, saying his story gets sadder. After the women
stopped coming Agamemnon appeared but had trouble speaking. Odysseus
wept and asked him how he died. Agamemnon relayed the story of
Aegisthus and Orestes' revenge. His wife and betrayer had not even
closed his mouth and eyes after his murder. Agamemnon continued saying
that his wife did a deed that reflected on the whole of her gender.
Odysseus noted that Zeus had cursed the house of Atreus because
thousands died for the sake of Menelaus' wife Helen. Agamemnon told
him to be wary of women even though he need fear nothing from his own
wife who was loyal. He asked Odysseus if he had been home and Odysseus
tells him that he hasn't. Achilles and Ajax appeared next. Achilles
spoke first and asked him how he came to the underworld. Odysseus told
him that he need not be upset by death because he was honored so much.
Achilles responded quickly:
"Let me hear no smooth talk
of death from you, Odysseus, light of councils.
Better, I say, to break sod as a farm hand
for some poor country man, on iron rations,
than lord it over all the exhausted dead." Book 11, lines 578-81
Achilles asked about his son and Odysseus told him that he came into
the battle and the assembly holding his own. He was the only Greek not
afraid in the horse and went home with much plunder. Ajax hung around
the pit but did not talk because he was still angry that Odysseus had
gotten Achilles' armor instead of him. When Odysseus asked to talk to
him, Ajax walked away. Odysseus saw many of the classical heroes and
villains: Tityos, the raper of Leto, whose liver was being ripped out
by vultures for eternity; Tantalos who has water flow up to his chin
until he can almost drink it and then disappear and grapes that do the
same from above; and Sisyphus who must push a boulder up a hill but
every time he gets near the top it falls back to the bottom. Then
Heracles approached him and compared his labors to Odysseus'... Then
he lamented his own fate and then turned away. Odysseus wanted to see
more but the dead were swarming so they rushed to the ship and left.
You see the Alternative story... the ancient Odysseus met the second
Odysseus... Right, they clone better than the caf'Ards... why Heroes
always beat vermin at the end of the tail when Waffles and cacaomilk
are served while CafArds are send to the Catwalk... what a great day
will that be ... My usenet freed from Caf'Ards intruders... with only
one Horse... the great Tail of Homer... Grief and Revenge in the
Odyssey.
Art Deco
>On Mar 28, 12:14 am, Art Deco <e...@caballista.org> wrote:
>> Warhol <MolarH_...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >and you will be still there when you will walk the Plank in the great
>> >year of Y2K12W... dont worry... judgments is Walk... zid Goudem...
>> >Caf'Ard.
>>
>> <yawn>
>>
>
>
>Book 11
>
>They sailed through the night into the sea. The came to the land of
[screed dump]
>more but the dead were swarming so they rushed to the ship and left.
>
>You see the Alternative story... the ancient Odysseus met the second
>Odysseus... Right, they clone better than the caf'Ards... why Heroes
>always beat vermin at the end of the tail when Waffles and cacaomilk
>are served while CafArds are send to the Catwalk... what a great day
>will that be ... My usenet freed from Caf'Ards intruders... with only
>one Horse... the great Tail of Homer... Grief and Revenge in the
>Odyssey.
<yawn>
Warhol
> Warhol <MolarH_...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 28, 12:14 am, Art Deco <e...@caballista.org> wrote:
> >> Warhol <MolarH_...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >and you will be still there when you will walk the Plank in the great
> >> >year of Y2K12W... dont worry... judgments is Walk... zid Goudem...
> >> >Caf'Ard.
>
> >> <yawn>
>
> >Book 11
>
> >They sailed through the night into the sea. The came to the land of
>
> [screed dump]
>
> >more but the dead were swarming so they rushed to the ship and left.
>
> >You see the Alternative story... the ancient Odysseus met the second
> >Odysseus... Right, they clone better than the caf'Ards... why Heroes
> >always beat vermin at the end of the tail when Waffles and cacaomilk
> >are served while CafArds are send to the Catwalk... what a great day
> >will that be ... My usenet freed from Caf'Ards intruders... with only
> >one Horse... the great Tail of Homer... Grief and Revenge in the
> >Odyssey.
>
> <yawn>
>
> --
Book 12
They kept sailing back to Circe's island and they buried Elpenor.
Circe gave them food and addressed them "Hearts of oak, did you go
down/ alive into the homes of death? One visit/ finishes all men but
yourselves, twice mortal!" Book 12, lines 25-7. They feasted late into
the night and Circe told Odysseus about the Sirens and their
bewitching song that makes men drive their boats ashore and perish.
She advised him to fashion earplugs for his men from beeswax, but if
he wanted to listen to their son he must be lashed to the mast or else
he would jump ship to get to them. After the Sirens are the drifting
rocks which must be avoided by taking a route that goes past Scylla, a
six-headed monster, and Charybdis, a whirlpool. She advised him to
sail near the cave of Scylla and take the chance of losing six men
rather than all of them. After these obstacles would be the island of
the cattle of the sun. She warned him not to touch them because that
would clearly mean his doom.
At dawn Circe left and Odysseus prepared his men for departure. He
addressed them warning them that there was danger ahead. He told them
about the Sirens but purposefully left out Scylla and Charybdis. When
they neared the island of the Sirens, the men put in their ear plugs
and lashed Odysseus to the mast. As the song got louder he thrashed
more and more but they just tied his bonds tighter. He describes their
beautiful song to the crowd. When the island was out of sight his men
released him. The men hesitated in fear of whatever was to come next
so Odysseus paused and encouraged them. They rowed faster and watched
the Charybdis on their left vomiting up debris. While they watched
this, Scylla struck from her cave and ate six men. Odysseus heard the
yelling but had the men row faster.
Soon they were out of danger and they were nearing the island of the
cattle of the sun. Odysseus spoke this warning:
"Shipmates, grieving and weary though you are,
listen: I had forewarning from Teiresias
and Kirke, too; both told me I must shun
|this island of the Sun, the world's delight.
Nothing but fatal trouble shall we find here,
Pull away, then, and put the land astern." Book 12, lines 350-5
Eurylochus cursed him and asked if he was human and told him that they
did not want to row through the night. He told Odysseus that they
could stop there and not touch the cattle or flocks and eat from their
own ample stores. Everyone agreed with him so they landed on the beach
and Odysseus made them all swear not to touch the animals on the
island. They ate and mourned the men they lost to Scylla. They became
stuck on the island because of storms for twenty days. They tried to
fish for food but get very little. One day Odysseus went off alone to
pray to the gods in peace and while he was gone Eurylochus encouraged
the men to kill the cattle and make offerings to the gods for
appeasement. They killed the cattle and begin an elaborate sacrifice.
Odysseus woke from a slumber and smelled the smoke. He immediately
prayed to Zeus cursing his own fortune. The Sun went to Zeus and asked
for revenge. Zeus told him that he would destroy their ship once it
went out to sea. When Odysseus approached his men, the hides of the
cattle were still moving around. They feasted for six days and on the
seventh day they left with a good breeze behind them. Soon after they
were on the sea a thunderhead appeared and Zeus split the ship in half
with lightning.
Odysseus climbed up on the floating mast and lashed it to the remnants
of the keel. All his men were dead and the wind made him drift back to
Scylla and Charybdis. He was almost sucked into the whirlpool but he
jumped at the last minute and grabbed hold of a fig tree. He waited
for the remnants of the ship to be vomited back up and jumped onto it.
Fortunately, Scylla did not notice him and he floated to the island of
Calypso. This is where he started and ended his story .
Truth it was hard for me to sacrifice my beloved Black Horse with
whome I destroyed Towers... but a game is game... The Old Black Horse,
on many occasion, declared by those who have seen the perl, that they
saw the Devil in the shape of a black horse galloping past, they got
exorcised while they made the sign of the cross on their knees.
Continuing Greek Mythology Theme on Lost? SPOILERS - Revenge.
Ps Odyssey is a Time traveler... so you all known how to understand
the message behind this most clever post I have ever done... I need
only a little bit help till the Last book is published... than you
will known that Odyssey is in reality Zeus, (but Sssst dont tell
Athena)
And Now still not ready to prepare silver? or do you want to have Mad
Moor behind you B.lls... The thith's or Else...
Art Deco
>And Now still not ready to prepare silver? or do you want to have Mad
>Moor behind you B.lls... The thith's or Else...
Will you ever figure out that you are nothing but a powerless, impotent
kook? All evidence so far says "no".
John "C"
"Art Deco" <er...@caballista.org> wrote in message
> Will you ever figure out that you are nothing but a powerless, impotent
> kook? All evidence so far says "no".
>
Will you ever figure out that you are nothing but a powerless, impotent
kook? All evidence so far says "no".
HJ
Warhol
> Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >And Now still not ready to prepare silver? or do you want to have Mad
> >Moor behind you B.lls... The thith's or Else...
>
> Will you ever figure out that you are nothing but a powerless, impotent
> kook? All evidence so far says "no".
>
> --
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by Homer
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Book 13
Odysseus ends his tale and Alcinoos assures him that his wanderings
are over for good. He calls to the lords and asks them to add a tripod
and a cauldron each to Odysseus' treasures. In the morning he steps
onto the ships he is going to lend to Odysseus and then makes a
sacrifice to Zeus as Demodokos continues to sing. Odysseus keeps
turning to the sun waiting for the day to end so that he may return
home after so many years. When it is night, Odysseus is happy as
Alcinoos blesses him and they drink from the wine bowl. Odysseus puts
his goblet in the hands of Arete saying "Live in felicity,/ and make
this palace lovely for your children,/ your countrymen and your king"
Book 13, lines 75-7. He goes to the sea with his new crew and sets off
in the night. He sleeps while the ship speeds and they pull up near
Ithaca at dawn. The sailors pull into a special cove and unload
Odysseus as he is sleeping. They stow all of his goods in the roots of
an olive tree and turn around to go home. Poseidon goes to Zeus and
complains that Odysseus has been returned home without a sacrifice to
him. Zeus tells him to do as he thinks appropriate and when the ship
nears the bay of Skheria Poseidon turned the ship and the sailors into
stone. At first the people wonder who would moor so far out of the
bar, but Alcinoos speaks to them:
"The present doom upon the ship - on me-
my father prophesied in the olden time.
If we gave safe conveyance to all passengers
we should incur Poseidon's wrath, he said,
whereby one day a fair ship, manned by Phaiakians,
would come to grief at the god's hands" Book 13, lines 215-220
Alcinoos decrees that they will no longer give passage to all
wanderers and that they should sacrifice twelve bulls to Poseidon.
Odysseus wakes but does not recognize his home. Athena covers him in a
mist to hide him and he is worried that he is in another strange land
and doesn't know what to do with the treasure.
He thinks first that he was betrayed but when he finds that none of
the treasure was stolen he thinks otherwise. Athena comes to him in
the shape of a shepherd. He asks her to help him store his treasure
and to tell him where he has landed. Athena replies that he must be a
fool not to know what country he is in. She goes over the wonderful
attributes of Ithaca. He replies, lying, that he is a refugee from
Crete who killed the son of the king there because he wanted to take
away his plunder from Troy. He tells her that he paid some men to take
him away from Crete and they left him here. Athena smiles and reveals
herself to him and tells him to stop being crafty. She asks if he even
guessed that it was Athena and not a shepherd. She tells him that she
planned for him to come to the island with the new wealth. He doubts
that he is in Ithaca and tells her to prove it. She gets a little
frustrated with him and describes the cove in which he landed and he
kisses the earth because he knows he is home. She tells him to have
courage and that they are going to hide the treasure in a cave nearby
and then decide what to do next. They move all the treasure and Athena
speaks to Odysseus:
"Son of Laertes and the gods of old,
Odysseus, master of land ways and sea ways,
put your mind on a way to reach and strike
a crowd of brazen upstarts. Three long years
they have played master in your house: three years
trying to win your lovely lady, making
gifts as though betrothed." Book 13, lines 468-73
Odysseus laments about his wife's situation and realizes that he could
have ended up like Agamemnon. She tells him not to be afraid because
she will be there to support him. She tells him that she will disguise
him as an old man so that no one will recognize him and that he should
go stay with the swineherd while she retrieves Telemachus. Odysseus
asks why they shouldn't tell Telemachus that his father has returned
and She says that Telemachus has his own troubles with the sailors
waiting in ambush. She changes him into an old man and then leaves to
find Telemachus.
yep
even 400 year old Moorish technology worked better than the idiots
21st century understanding of physics and Mechanics... better Redeem
now, before I point my disintegrating Ray gun towards the Cafards in
Y2K12W...
(retard)
Warhol
> "Art Deco" <e...@caballista.org> wrote in message
Let him dream... he is death inreality.
Saul Levy
Saul Levy
Saul Levy
NOTHING COMETH (SIC!)!
Saul Levy
On 26 Mar 2007 21:59:14 -0700, "Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>To teach that something like a revenge of and dead Pirate may exist...
>but ofcourse all this is old story only... so dont Worry I dont see
>any connection with the Revenge of Gran'da'dy Blackbeard and his
>friend Red Beard...
>
>The plank may exist and the great Bow may be a CometH.... but
>connection surly there are not... We Moors never have given a horse...
>oeps wait.. where are my Moorish Horses?
Saul Levy
usual].
Saul Levy
On 27 Mar 2007 10:06:14 -0700, "Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Revenge in The Odyssey, by Homer
>>
>> > The Greeks, as portrayed by Homer, are a very vengeful people.
>The story begins with Telemachus (Telemakhos) Son of Odysseus and
Saul Levy
Saul Levy
On 27 Mar 2007 11:38:40 -0700, "Warhol" <Molar...@Hotmail.com>
wrote: