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Rocky
Sep 23, 2015, 9:08:28 AM9/23/15
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<jonas.t...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> The blue hue from Cherenkov radiation in nuclear plants is due to
> interaction of FTL electrons and water?
>
> Can the Cherenkov effect be created from interactions with other materials
> like Iron and would the effect still be blue or would it take on another
> color spectrum?
From what I've read it always has to be blue because: "The color stems from
gamma particles moving more rapidly than the speed of light." Link below.
Thanks for the thread and mind if I take a branch of it?
Talking about "Cherenkov radiation" that was something else they had to deal
with at "Ground Zero."
In order to cover up the blue light that would otherwise attract attention
two light projectors were set up with the cover story of being a "Light
Memorial". They were used to shine up into the sky in the same place as the
Cerenkov Radiation being emitted by ground zero. This was done in order
mask it or at least provide a cover story to explain it.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/02/vt-nuclear-education-undeniable-proof-of-911-as-a-nuclear-event/
Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus
Sep 23, 2015, 1:05:44 PM9/23/15
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Time to spin the kooks up again. Melt, kooks, melt. <snicker>
Rocky (aka Roger Wittekind the schizophrenic paranoid-delusional
woman-stalking truck crashing kook), in
<news:5OSdnYvMHpzXOZ_L...@giganews.com> did thusly jump
head first into the wood chipper again:
Bwahahahaaaa! Oh my fucking God but you're retarded, Roger.
Nothing can travel faster than c. You'd know that if you knew even the
first fucking thing about quantum mechanics and electrodynamics, and
general and special relativity, you moron.
As for Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation, the phase velocity at which light
propagates through a dielectric medium (a medium's refractive index is
notated as c / phase velocity) may be less than c (for instance,
through water, light propagates at ~0.7692c; through diamond, light
propagates at ~0.4166c; and through air, light propagates at
~0.9997c).
A medium's refractive index is directly correlated to how much it can
"slow" the speed of light... which isn't really slowed, it's stored in
the medium's atoms by exciting them, then re-radiated at an
arbitrarily later time. The medium's atoms absorb the energy of the
light, become excited (ie: move into a higher Bohr orbit), then
re-radiate the light (ie: move into a lower Bohr orbit) after reaching
a quantization state that allows them to expel that energy via a
sufficiently energized photon. This is also why atoms of different
materials can only absorb photons of certain energies exactly matched
to the energy difference between to energy states, or the delta of the
quanta states.
Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation results when a charged particle such as an
electron is accelerated beyond the phase velocity of light through
that medium (but you'll note, still less than c) as it propagates
through the medium in question. The speed of the charged particle
disrupts the local electromagnetic field and it becomes electrically
polarized by the charged particle's electric field. The limited
response speed of the medium in question produces a charged particle
wake, the energy from which radiates as a coherent shockwave known as
Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation.
Thus, if light can't propagate through the medium, no
Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation is possible. For gamma rays (given that
they're rays and not particles), no Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation is
possible unless that gamma ray interacts with the medium in question
and knocks loose a charged particle such as an electron that is then
accelerated beyond the phase velocity of light in that medium (but
still less than c).
The reason Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation appears bright blue in water is
because the frequency spectrum for Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation is
continuous, there are no spectral peaks. Further, the relative
intensity per unit frequency is approximately proportional to the
frequency. Thus, higher frequencies cause more intense
Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation. Because there is a cut-off point for
charged particle velocity below which Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation
won't be produced, there are frequencies of light that aren't
produced, thus the light is proportionally more intense in the blue
regions. If Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation could occur at all charged
particle speeds, the light would look pure white.
For different mediums, as the phase velocity of light transmission
through any given medium decreases, and thus the charged particle
velocity at which Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation can occur drops, the
light emitted becomes whiter.
As for your blather about the WTC site and the "Light Memorial", the
only types of charged particles produced in a fission reaction such as
a nuclear weapon are alpha particles, beta particles, positrons and
energetic ions. Of these, only beta particles have sufficient
penetrating power to travel more than a few centimeters in air. Thus
in air, only beta particles could possible produce Vavilov-Cherenkov
radiation. But because air has such a low density, its index of
refraction isn't that much different than that of a vacuum, thus it
would take extremely energetic beta particles to produce
Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation in air... 99.97% of c. Because nuclear
decay beta particles do not exceed 20 MeV, and the energy required for
a beta particle to attain 99.97% of c is 20.3 MeV, the possibility of
Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation in air due to a nuclear detonation is all
but an impossibility. And even should a beta particle be produced that
reaches the maximum possible 20.6 MeV, it would only penetrate through
the air approximately 2 meters.
Besides which, the "Light Memorial" is only lit from dusk on 11 Sep to
dusk of the next day each year. Likely because it costs $1,626 per day
to run the eighty-eight 7,000 watt Xenon spotlights, and it was
confusing migrating birds.
Moron. LOL
--
Roger T.E. Wittekind
PO Box 471
167 40th Avenue
East Moline, IL 61244
309-755-6374
309-755-6394
Roger Wittekind the woman-stalking failed truck driver from East
Moline, IL.
Roger Wittekind (aka Rocky), your brain is grasping at straws in
trying to avoid admitting *you* *are* *wrong*, and as your brain
becomes more and more desperate to avoid the truth we promulgate
(which utterly demolishes your kook conspiracy theory), it makes
larger and larger leaps of illogic.
For instance:
=============================
A) You said the satellite uplink inteference seen in the WCBS video
*you* *provided* was a nuke EMP, so your broken brain told you they
must have buried nukes under the twin towers. Being a simpleton, you
believed they just dug shallow holes, dropped the nukes in, smoothed
over the concrete and walked away for 33 years.
B) Your timing on the WCBS video *you* *provided* between the
satellite uplink interference (what you deemed to be a "nuke EMP") and
the tower shaking being 12 seconds (it was actually 14 seconds, but
kooks can't count) means your supposed nukes had to have been buried
from 37.28 to 96.93 *miles* below the surface (dependent upon soil
composition and thus speed of compressive blast transmission). Never
mind that we don't have the technology to drill that deep even today,
let alone in 1968. Your broken brain had to yet again change your
kooky little conspiracy theory to at least try to orient itself at
some acute angle to reality. So no "dug a shallow hole, dropped the
nukes in, covered it up, walked away for 33 years" anymore, now it was
"dug an impossibly deep hole, dropped the nukes in, covered it up,
walked away for 33 years".
C) You're such a simpleton you didn't realize nukes require periodic
replacement of their neutron-source trigger, which naturally
radioactively decays over time, building up the decay byproduct xenon,
which absorbs neutrons. It's called xenon poisoning. So your broken
brain told you that someone had to service those nukes to keep the
triggers viable... which means your broken brain was thus *forced* to
change from "dug a shallow hole, dropped the nukes in, covered it up,
walked away for 33 years", to "dug an impossibly deep hole, dropped
the nukes in, covered it up, walked away for 33 years", to "built an
entire *facility* impossibly deep under the WTC, complete with service
personnel and" "4 blast doors to keep the explosion from getting back
into the area the nukes were maintained" (your words).
D) Your broken brain then said there were 19 nukes instead of your
original 3, because you knew there were 19 instances of satellite
uplink interference in the WCBS video *you* *provided*, in which you
k'lamed one of the instances of satellite uplink interference was an
EMP. And if you k'lame one of them is an EMP, they *all* must be EMPs,
so your broken brain now tells you there were 19 nukes detonated in
rapid succession... completely ignoring the fact that even one nuke
detonation would plunge the city into darkness due to EMP burning out
electrical substations, and completely ignoring the fact that no
nuclear detonation byproducts were found in the rubble, in the
vicinity of the rubble, or anywhere in NYC.
E) Now that your broken brain was convinced that the nukes were buried
deeply, of course, they had a very wide blast radius, which screwed up
your kooky k'lame that they were used to demolish WTC1 and WTC2, but
somehow missed WTC3 and WTC4... so your broken brain conceived that
the nuclear weapons could somehow dig themselves up from that
miles-deep facility to just below the WTC towers prior to exploding,
in order to make their cone of destruction smaller. Nevermind that
your broken brain said they dug through 37.28 to 96.93 *miles* of
*solid* *bedrock* in *12* *seconds*. LOL
F) So I've led you by the nose in a full circle... if those bombs your
broken brain is telling you existed *did* dig their way up to
underneath the WTC twin towers before detonating (they didn't... first
because there were no nukes, second because it'd be impossible, but
for the sake of argument, we'll continue), that leads right back to
your calculation of the time between your claimed "EMP" (the satellite
uplink interference on the WCBS video *you* *provided*) and the time
the building shook, which is pretty much where we started. So I've
proven by drop-kicking your retarded ass around the perimeter of
sanity full-circle that you're insane. LOL
G) Realizing the utter ridiculousness of your kook blather above, your
broken brain has backpedaled and expanded your delusion even more as a
desperate attempt at attaining some semblance of plausibility...
saying there were 34 mini-nukes, and they were within and underneath
the twin towers. If those 34 nukes you claim existed *did* explode,
where are the nuclear detonation byproducts? The highly radioactive
metal? The radiation burns and radiation sickness of people in the
vicinity? Where are the nuclear detonation signature seismographs? Why
did the electrical grid, all electronics and all vehicles survive not
just one but *34* nuclear EMPs? And what about that timing between the
WCBS video satellite uplink interference (what you claimed was "EMP")
and the shaking of the tower? That's now off by 14 whole seconds, just
as it was when your kooky conspiracy theory began. LOL
H) Now you're saying the OKC bombing was nuclear in nature (MID:
<e3f0e4f638e69c3d...@dizum.com>), and a new era of
widespread nuclear terrorism has arrived... proof positive that you're
off your meds, Roget Wittekind.
I) To back up yor "nuclear terrorism era" k'lame in H) above, you're
now further k'laming there is such a thing as a magical "detonator"
that causes a nuclear weapon to be a "clean nuke" which expulses no
EMP and leaves no radiological contamination... heaping proof upon
proof that you're off your meds, Roger Wittekind.
J) To explain away the lack of any evidence of your k'lame of a
"nuclear terrorism era", your broken brain has conceived that your
magical nukes are employing "Hushaboom technology" (your words) to
silence them.
K) Your broken brain has now stated (MID:
<YtWdnQvC1PTFNWjI...@giganews.com>) that "liquid freon in
the air conditioners helped to turn the nuke into a themo [sic]
nuclear bomb" (your words). Complete and utter nonsense from your
thoroughly broken schizophrenic brain, Roger.
IOW, your broken brain is far too stupid to discern fantasy from
reality, so you've caught yourself in an unresolvable logic hole. And
the harder you try to resolve it, the more you run around in little
tard-circles, banging your head with your fist and doing your very
best Rainman impersonation. I can twist your brain into a Gordian Knot
with my knowledge. And I've just barely even started, I haven't even
worked up a sweat yet.
=============================
Kook. LOL
Rocky (aka Roger Wittekind the schizophrenic paranoid-delusional
woman-stalking truck crashing kook), in
<news:5OSdnYvMHpzXOZ_L...@giganews.com> did thusly jump
head first into the wood chipper again:
Nothing can travel faster than c. You'd know that if you knew even the
first fucking thing about quantum mechanics and electrodynamics, and
general and special relativity, you moron.
As for Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation, the phase velocity at which light
propagates through a dielectric medium (a medium's refractive index is
notated as c / phase velocity) may be less than c (for instance,
through water, light propagates at ~0.7692c; through diamond, light
propagates at ~0.4166c; and through air, light propagates at
~0.9997c).
A medium's refractive index is directly correlated to how much it can
"slow" the speed of light... which isn't really slowed, it's stored in
the medium's atoms by exciting them, then re-radiated at an
arbitrarily later time. The medium's atoms absorb the energy of the
light, become excited (ie: move into a higher Bohr orbit), then
re-radiate the light (ie: move into a lower Bohr orbit) after reaching
a quantization state that allows them to expel that energy via a
sufficiently energized photon. This is also why atoms of different
materials can only absorb photons of certain energies exactly matched
to the energy difference between to energy states, or the delta of the
quanta states.
Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation results when a charged particle such as an
electron is accelerated beyond the phase velocity of light through
that medium (but you'll note, still less than c) as it propagates
through the medium in question. The speed of the charged particle
disrupts the local electromagnetic field and it becomes electrically
polarized by the charged particle's electric field. The limited
response speed of the medium in question produces a charged particle
wake, the energy from which radiates as a coherent shockwave known as
Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation.
Thus, if light can't propagate through the medium, no
Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation is possible. For gamma rays (given that
they're rays and not particles), no Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation is
possible unless that gamma ray interacts with the medium in question
and knocks loose a charged particle such as an electron that is then
accelerated beyond the phase velocity of light in that medium (but
still less than c).
The reason Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation appears bright blue in water is
because the frequency spectrum for Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation is
continuous, there are no spectral peaks. Further, the relative
intensity per unit frequency is approximately proportional to the
frequency. Thus, higher frequencies cause more intense
Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation. Because there is a cut-off point for
charged particle velocity below which Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation
won't be produced, there are frequencies of light that aren't
produced, thus the light is proportionally more intense in the blue
regions. If Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation could occur at all charged
particle speeds, the light would look pure white.
For different mediums, as the phase velocity of light transmission
through any given medium decreases, and thus the charged particle
velocity at which Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation can occur drops, the
light emitted becomes whiter.
As for your blather about the WTC site and the "Light Memorial", the
only types of charged particles produced in a fission reaction such as
a nuclear weapon are alpha particles, beta particles, positrons and
energetic ions. Of these, only beta particles have sufficient
penetrating power to travel more than a few centimeters in air. Thus
in air, only beta particles could possible produce Vavilov-Cherenkov
radiation. But because air has such a low density, its index of
refraction isn't that much different than that of a vacuum, thus it
would take extremely energetic beta particles to produce
Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation in air... 99.97% of c. Because nuclear
decay beta particles do not exceed 20 MeV, and the energy required for
a beta particle to attain 99.97% of c is 20.3 MeV, the possibility of
Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation in air due to a nuclear detonation is all
but an impossibility. And even should a beta particle be produced that
reaches the maximum possible 20.6 MeV, it would only penetrate through
the air approximately 2 meters.
Besides which, the "Light Memorial" is only lit from dusk on 11 Sep to
dusk of the next day each year. Likely because it costs $1,626 per day
to run the eighty-eight 7,000 watt Xenon spotlights, and it was
confusing migrating birds.
Moron. LOL
--
Roger T.E. Wittekind
PO Box 471
167 40th Avenue
East Moline, IL 61244
309-755-6374
309-755-6394
Roger Wittekind the woman-stalking failed truck driver from East
Moline, IL.
Roger Wittekind (aka Rocky), your brain is grasping at straws in
trying to avoid admitting *you* *are* *wrong*, and as your brain
becomes more and more desperate to avoid the truth we promulgate
(which utterly demolishes your kook conspiracy theory), it makes
larger and larger leaps of illogic.
For instance:
=============================
A) You said the satellite uplink inteference seen in the WCBS video
*you* *provided* was a nuke EMP, so your broken brain told you they
must have buried nukes under the twin towers. Being a simpleton, you
believed they just dug shallow holes, dropped the nukes in, smoothed
over the concrete and walked away for 33 years.
B) Your timing on the WCBS video *you* *provided* between the
satellite uplink interference (what you deemed to be a "nuke EMP") and
the tower shaking being 12 seconds (it was actually 14 seconds, but
kooks can't count) means your supposed nukes had to have been buried
from 37.28 to 96.93 *miles* below the surface (dependent upon soil
composition and thus speed of compressive blast transmission). Never
mind that we don't have the technology to drill that deep even today,
let alone in 1968. Your broken brain had to yet again change your
kooky little conspiracy theory to at least try to orient itself at
some acute angle to reality. So no "dug a shallow hole, dropped the
nukes in, covered it up, walked away for 33 years" anymore, now it was
"dug an impossibly deep hole, dropped the nukes in, covered it up,
walked away for 33 years".
C) You're such a simpleton you didn't realize nukes require periodic
replacement of their neutron-source trigger, which naturally
radioactively decays over time, building up the decay byproduct xenon,
which absorbs neutrons. It's called xenon poisoning. So your broken
brain told you that someone had to service those nukes to keep the
triggers viable... which means your broken brain was thus *forced* to
change from "dug a shallow hole, dropped the nukes in, covered it up,
walked away for 33 years", to "dug an impossibly deep hole, dropped
the nukes in, covered it up, walked away for 33 years", to "built an
entire *facility* impossibly deep under the WTC, complete with service
personnel and" "4 blast doors to keep the explosion from getting back
into the area the nukes were maintained" (your words).
D) Your broken brain then said there were 19 nukes instead of your
original 3, because you knew there were 19 instances of satellite
uplink interference in the WCBS video *you* *provided*, in which you
k'lamed one of the instances of satellite uplink interference was an
EMP. And if you k'lame one of them is an EMP, they *all* must be EMPs,
so your broken brain now tells you there were 19 nukes detonated in
rapid succession... completely ignoring the fact that even one nuke
detonation would plunge the city into darkness due to EMP burning out
electrical substations, and completely ignoring the fact that no
nuclear detonation byproducts were found in the rubble, in the
vicinity of the rubble, or anywhere in NYC.
E) Now that your broken brain was convinced that the nukes were buried
deeply, of course, they had a very wide blast radius, which screwed up
your kooky k'lame that they were used to demolish WTC1 and WTC2, but
somehow missed WTC3 and WTC4... so your broken brain conceived that
the nuclear weapons could somehow dig themselves up from that
miles-deep facility to just below the WTC towers prior to exploding,
in order to make their cone of destruction smaller. Nevermind that
your broken brain said they dug through 37.28 to 96.93 *miles* of
*solid* *bedrock* in *12* *seconds*. LOL
F) So I've led you by the nose in a full circle... if those bombs your
broken brain is telling you existed *did* dig their way up to
underneath the WTC twin towers before detonating (they didn't... first
because there were no nukes, second because it'd be impossible, but
for the sake of argument, we'll continue), that leads right back to
your calculation of the time between your claimed "EMP" (the satellite
uplink interference on the WCBS video *you* *provided*) and the time
the building shook, which is pretty much where we started. So I've
proven by drop-kicking your retarded ass around the perimeter of
sanity full-circle that you're insane. LOL
G) Realizing the utter ridiculousness of your kook blather above, your
broken brain has backpedaled and expanded your delusion even more as a
desperate attempt at attaining some semblance of plausibility...
saying there were 34 mini-nukes, and they were within and underneath
the twin towers. If those 34 nukes you claim existed *did* explode,
where are the nuclear detonation byproducts? The highly radioactive
metal? The radiation burns and radiation sickness of people in the
vicinity? Where are the nuclear detonation signature seismographs? Why
did the electrical grid, all electronics and all vehicles survive not
just one but *34* nuclear EMPs? And what about that timing between the
WCBS video satellite uplink interference (what you claimed was "EMP")
and the shaking of the tower? That's now off by 14 whole seconds, just
as it was when your kooky conspiracy theory began. LOL
H) Now you're saying the OKC bombing was nuclear in nature (MID:
<e3f0e4f638e69c3d...@dizum.com>), and a new era of
widespread nuclear terrorism has arrived... proof positive that you're
off your meds, Roget Wittekind.
I) To back up yor "nuclear terrorism era" k'lame in H) above, you're
now further k'laming there is such a thing as a magical "detonator"
that causes a nuclear weapon to be a "clean nuke" which expulses no
EMP and leaves no radiological contamination... heaping proof upon
proof that you're off your meds, Roger Wittekind.
J) To explain away the lack of any evidence of your k'lame of a
"nuclear terrorism era", your broken brain has conceived that your
magical nukes are employing "Hushaboom technology" (your words) to
silence them.
K) Your broken brain has now stated (MID:
<YtWdnQvC1PTFNWjI...@giganews.com>) that "liquid freon in
the air conditioners helped to turn the nuke into a themo [sic]
nuclear bomb" (your words). Complete and utter nonsense from your
thoroughly broken schizophrenic brain, Roger.
IOW, your broken brain is far too stupid to discern fantasy from
reality, so you've caught yourself in an unresolvable logic hole. And
the harder you try to resolve it, the more you run around in little
tard-circles, banging your head with your fist and doing your very
best Rainman impersonation. I can twist your brain into a Gordian Knot
with my knowledge. And I've just barely even started, I haven't even
worked up a sweat yet.
=============================
Kook. LOL
Rocky
Sep 24, 2015, 10:22:18 AM9/24/15
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"Nomen Nesco" <inv...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 08:11:17 -0500, "Rocky" <woo...@att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>><jonas.t...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:abcf17b5-905c-4f3b...@googlegroups.com...
>>> The blue hue from Cherenkov radiation in nuclear plants is due to
>>> interaction of FTL electrons and water?
>>>
>
>
>>
>><jonas.t...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:abcf17b5-905c-4f3b...@googlegroups.com...
>>> The blue hue from Cherenkov radiation in nuclear plants is due to
>>> interaction of FTL electrons and water?
>>>
>
>>Talking about "Cherenkov radiation" that was something else they had to
>>deal
>>with at "Ground Zero."
>>
>> In order to cover up the blue light that would otherwise attract
>> attention
>>two light projectors were set up with the cover story of being a "Light
>>Memorial". They were used to shine up into the sky in the same place as
>>the
>>Cerenkov Radiation being emitted by ground zero. This was done in order
>>mask it or at least provide a cover story to explain it.
>
> you so funny, projectors would STILL BE Radioactive !!
>>deal
>>with at "Ground Zero."
>>
>> In order to cover up the blue light that would otherwise attract
>> attention
>>two light projectors were set up with the cover story of being a "Light
>>Memorial". They were used to shine up into the sky in the same place as
>>the
>>Cerenkov Radiation being emitted by ground zero. This was done in order
>>mask it or at least provide a cover story to explain it.
>
They treated GZ just like Chernobyl was treated. They hauled dirt in and
out and in and out and then used concrete to try and cover up the remaining
radiation.
Rocky
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