How badly have hydrocarbons impacted our global environment? / Brad Guth

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Dec 27, 2011, 1:21:35 PM12/27/11

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How best to further destroy whatever’s left of our environment, while
living large, is to damn those torpedoes and maintain our mainstream
status-quo dependency on hydrocarbons, disregarding whatever
consequences that future generations get to live with and pay for. At
least that’s the mainstream status-quo policy that’s enforced by an
army of brown-nosed clowns and FUD-masters that get to do as they
please.

A typical oil/gas well of 200,000 barrels/day plus 150e6 cf of raw NG/
day
* 3.18e4 m3/day of oil
* 4.25e6 m3/day of natural gas

The volumes of raw natural gas per barrel of extracted oil can easily
run 50:1 and even up to 1000:1 isn’t unheard of. The oil wellhead
percentage of its CH4 typically runs between 10% and 90% and this
composite vapor might include roughly 5% propane, which means that up
to 90% of raw natural gas (typically includes CO2 and in some
instances packing CO, plus there’s always some Butane and Helium and
slight amounts of unavoidable radon and hydrogen sulfides) that gets
vented or sometimes though rarely forcibly pumped back into the ground
where it usually migrates and leaks out somewhere else.

The quality of refined natural gas that’s supposed to be mostly CH4
varies greatly, whereas the enormous consumption of natural gas on
behalf of purging those hydrocarbons out from oily sand, using
considerable energy derived from natural gas as their primary method
of extracting its crude oil, is using almost raw unrefined gas, which
puts a greater amount of toxins and provides atmospheric dimming via
soot and those raw elements of mostly toxic pollution into the
environment, not to mention the full escapement of elements like
helium which further displaces and/or disrupts the protective layer of
O3/ozone.

Supposedly Russia maintains the volumetric lead on wellhead blowouts,
spillage and leakage, however the Gulf blowout of that deepwater BP
fiasco likely spewed upwards of 5e6 barrels of a nasty sulphur laced
oil composite (not including the added hydrocarbon molecular mutagen
toxicity of their Corexit), plus venting upwards of another 150 m3 of
raw natural gas per barrel of oil. Some of us village idiots actually
thought this kind of blowout was a very bad thing, not to mention that
it only represented another 1% of what gets annually blown out,
leaked, spilled and/or flared off anyway, though much of which gets
way underreported and/or entirely obfuscated by the Big Energy
industry that’s always in denial as well as in charge of what most
government and/or regulatory agencies have responsibility for such
accumulative accountability. Since there’s also great amounts of
refinement, storage, distribution, aftermarket and end-use spillage
and ventings, so who the hell really knows the full all-inclusive
extent of hydrocarbon trauma to our environment?

http://ocean.fsu.edu/faculty/macdonald/pubs/Joye_NatGeoSci_2011.pdf
“The deep-sea hydrocarbon discharge resulting from the BP oil
well blowout in the northern Gulf of Mexico released large
quantities of oil and gaseous hydrocarbons such as methane
into the deep ocean. So far, estimates of hydrocarbon discharge
have focused on the oil released, and have overlooked the
quantity, fate and environmental impact of the gas1. Gaseous
hydrocarbons turn over slowly in the deep ocean, and microbial
consumption of these gases could have a long-lasting impact on
oceanic oxygen levels2. Here, we combine published estimates
of the volume of oil released1,3, together with provisional
estimates of the oil to gas ratio of the discharged fluid4, to
determine the volume of gaseous hydrocarbons discharged
during the spill. We estimate that the spill injected up to
500,000 t of gaseous hydrocarbons into the deep ocean
and that these gaseous emissions comprised 40% of the
total hydrocarbon discharge. Analysis of water around the
wellhead revealed discrete layers of dissolved hydrocarbon
gases between 1,000 and 1,300m depth; concentrations
exceeded background levels by up to 75,000 times. We
suggest that microbial consumption of these gases could
lead to the extensive and persistent depletion of oxygen in
hydrocarbon-enriched waters.”

Can’t we do any better by going off-world? (I’m thinking that sure as
hell we can’t possibly do any worse damage)

I mean to suggest, that whatever wellhead blowouts or volumetric
spillage on or within our physically dark moon, or that of exploiting
the energy and metallicity resources of Venus is going to be kind of
hard to negatively impact our terrestrial environment, although
perhaps if anyone can manage to off-world pollute Earth it’ll be the
remorseless, greedy and arrogant bully likes of BP. Obviously I’m not
speaking of exploiting either our moon or Venus for common
hydrocarbons, even though such elements should exist. Instead going
after precious metallicity and perhaps the extremely valuable natural
gas of He3 would be most likely what those exploitations of our moon
and perhaps the extremely nearby planet Venus would likely have many
other valuable gasses plus loads of solid metallicity to offer, as
well as there could always be lots of other extractables including
helium, plus Li-6 and H-D(Hydrogen Deuteride) that our captain Mook of
the good ship Mokenergy thinks and/or as having convinced himself that
it’s worth absolute fusion heaven, which of course such fusion energy
is offing that ultimate potential of clean energy as well as fusion
bombs. However, in the mean time we can always use his cheap and
essentially renewable hydrogen, or even that of my HTP plus quality
Mokenergy synfuels from coal that would take us a very long ways
without further polluting ourselves to death or mutating our genetics,
because there is no CO2(aka carbon in using H2), and using it within
fuel-cells of near 50% efficiency means there’s also no NOx (mono-
nitrogen oxides) or any of those pesky subsequent acidic issues, and
since nothing of that H2 has to be derived from drilling wells, hard-
rock mining, complex extracting such as via fracking for natural gas
or processing metallicity (much less having to be taken from organics)
is also a win-win-win for the environment plus eliminating needless
global inflation, food shortages, industry related deaths and many
other negative consequences to the rest of us humans.

Fearing a little natural asbestos that’s usually encapsulated, as is
lead in the paint or plastics, plus traces of arsenic in our apple
juice seems hardly appropriate to fear when we truly consider the vast
amounts of those hard and vapor toxins given off by nature and
especially via hydrocarbons, plus their secondary combustion
considerations seems a million fold worse for us and the planet, not
to mention what hydrocarbon fuels have managed to burn down, as well
as having been downright lethal and spendy as hell. It’s as though
our priorities for protecting ourselves and others is kind of skewed
on behalf of benefiting the upper caste that can always afford to live
large in spite of whatever their industries and our own government
policies have been doing to the rest of us.

With some basic talent and expertise, instead we could be a mostly
electrified world, with only limited hydrocarbon usage that doesn’t
hardly pollute our environment nor taking every last hard earned
dollar to deal with. Hydrocarbons can be utilized much more
efficiently and in some instances without having to consume raw
atmosphere would offer many benefits that a half century ago wasn’t
possible. However, it’s as though we’re stuck in the past, with
nowhere to go but down with the ship.

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Brad Guth

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Since there are only a few of us trying to honestly make a positive/
constructive difference, whereas the vast majority in these Usenet/
newsgroups are only here as mainstream FUD-masters in order to
accomplish as much damage-control as possible, is why newcomers or the
general public of K12 and higher educated need to be pretty tough at
taking mainstream flack from most every angle, because topics like
this one can get downright testy at returning the favor with all the
love and affection that I can muster.

Terrestrial hydrocarbons are in fact going to become our most damaging
folly towards expediting the ongoing demise of our frail environment,
not that hydrocarbons haven’t contributed to the advancements of
humanity in spite of their already having done more damage than good
by indirectly fueling our faith-based cultivated rage and distrust of
other humans, plus expediting the systematic demise of highly complex
species that took millions of years to evolve before any embryo of a
primitive human ever existed, whereas we’ve managed to eradicate them
within a few centuries (most extensively during this last century).

In spite of nature venting plus how extra dreadful we’ve made this
world for most of us, the staggering task of salvaging Earth and
accommodating billions more of us is still going to be relatively easy
compared to going after the greater off-world prosperity that’s
represented by our moon and Venus, replacing hydrocarbons with rare
metallicity and preferably using hydrogen, thorium, geothermal and
Li-6 + H-D fusion instead of our perpetual dependency on
hydrocarbons. This doesn’t mean that hydrocarbons are going to get
banished or otherwise entirely excluded, but instead more selectively
utilized along with HTP that’s easily formulated to suit, or nearly
replaced by using hydrogen and thereby stretching those expensive
hydrocarbons and minimizing their impact by at least a good 5 fold,
along with considerable health benefits that are at least worth a
thousand fold.

The off-world cost of anything is kind of relative, such as how Big
Energy managed to go along with starting and sustaining bogus wars is
what also enabled our very own oil explorations and extractions to
become viable, as well as those oily-sands as Canadian alternatives
that are clearly a negative energy coefficient and a maximum pollution
tradeoff that our next ten generations will never see any direct nor
indirect benefit from, but what the hell, at least it’s keeping our
hydrocarbon addiction going. This same global inflation makes spent
mineral mining viable and even worth the extra energy and human risk,
all because of the contrived shortages and obvious hoarding by those
that could care less what global trauma and carnage takes place.

No doubt Venus is much worse than any hot potato. However, that
scorching hot planet has lots of metallicity in those valuable raw
elements to offer, and there’s no shortage of renewable energy to
process any of it. But naturally, we can just keep ignoring this and/
or avoiding the opportunity to take our fair share of its valuable
elements that could make our world a whole lot better and safer place
to live, as I'm certain that our terrestrial robber-baron oligarchs
and Rothschilds would dearly love if we'd just forget about ever
exploiting the likes of our moon and that extremely nearby planet,
Venus.

Going after off-world elements (including hydrocarbons) may at first
seem kind of spendy, although once past their breakeven point it’s all
good, and off-world metallicity alone can make that investment
breakeven happen much sooner than our mainstream mafia oligarchs and
Rothschilds are putting us on about. Unlike terrestrial hydrocarbons
costing us trillions each and every year, from our direct consumption
plus via industrial, commercial and government spending on such that’s
strictly need-to-know because they (DoD, Pentagon and a good dozen
other agencies) seriously manage to consume mass quantities of
hydrocarbons, in that some of which gets paid for in ways other than
direct currency (such as in exchange for their off-shore facilities,
drugs and weapons, or in exchange for certain social/political favors
that the next generations gets to pay for in ways of consequences and/
or as karma that’s even more convoluted and spendy than we’re being
told).

Obviously I’m not suggesting that actual liquids or even solid forms
of hydrocarbons be exploited away from off-world resources, because
that’s just silly, however there are a number of hydrocarbon related
products or synthetic derivatives which might qualify. Even 90% HTP
can be bulk manufactured for as little as $0.5/kg (cheaper if via
Mokenergy solar derived HTP) and has a wholesale value of $10/kg (not
including its spendy shipping that’s based almost entirely on FUD
orchestrated paranoia, that could easily double that cost) and when
diluted 30:1 brings its wholesale worth up to roughly $300/kg, though
perhaps a solid cryogenic inert form of 99% HTP or even modified as a
crystallized Acetone Peroxide could become further modified in order
to suit its extremely high density form of 5.3 km/sec explosive
energy, by adding something for stabilization that could be easily
removed.
http://www.peroxidepropulsion.com/hydrogen-peroxide.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide

Raw hydrocarbons via coal, oil and natural gas are always laced with
all sorts of other undesirable elements, some of which are nearly
inert or quite harmless, others potentially valuable while many are
just downright nasty and spendy to safely get rid of, such as the safe
removal and storage or disposal of mercury from coal is so nasty and
spendy to accomplish that most global Big Energy consumption of coal
doesn’t hardly bother, because it’s always the old and next generation
that get to suffer and pay for everything (including our paying for
whatever future genetic mutations plus environmental consequences that
are pretty much all bad).

So, instead of our going for as much as possible all-electric by using
renewable resources plus failsafe thorium which Earth has way more
than enough as is (wouldn’t have cost us 10% of using conventional
uranium fueled reactors), why is the honest all-inclusive cost and/or
impact of even astronomy and so many other research things so often
impossible for us to quantify? (especially whenever public-funded
special interest groups or just Big Energy plus metallicity hoarding
gets involved by forcing us to stick with their terrestrial resources
that are knowingly toxic and getting spendy in more ways than anyone
cares to mention). In other words, supposedly it all adds up, but
without the honest accounting there’s simply nothing that’s
sufficiently all-inclusive to add up, and apparently that’s exactly
how those in charge intend to keep it.

Even the ongoing and artificially accelerated rate of helium loss
isn’t allowed to be discussed, as though it’s another one of those
need-to-know or nondisclosure taboo topics that simply offers too much
potential doom and gloom even for our resident FUD-masters to spin
into something harmless. Obviously the eliminations and/or
orchestrated demise of such Earth science missions like OCO was a
critical damage-control accomplishment that directly benefits Big
Energy, as well as covers any number of government butts, because
quantifying and mapping global pollution from natural and artificial
sources is obviously something best left hidden or simply obfuscated/
excluded from the rest of us, and it’s either minimized and/or
discredited within any serious Usenet newsgroup topics that mainstream
investigative media might accidentally stumble upon.

Perhaps if we collectively blowout the equivalent of that Gulf BP
fiasco every other month or so could make this planet better implode.
By dumping plus venting six million tonnes of hydrocarbons per year in
addition to what those not so little volumes we manage to consume,
could actually be a very good thing that we’re just not quite smart
enough to appreciate the benefits of CO2, CO, NOx and those sooty and
acidic water vapor variations plus loads of extra helium and a good
dozen other unnatural elements (some fortified with the genetically
toxic molecular mutagen of Corexit), that instead should have stayed
deep underground until we have a failsafe method of extracting only
the methane without having to process and/or release those nasty
elements.

Without a good enough reason or motivation for creating and consuming
vast amounts of renewable hydrogen that’s easily and cheaply made via
solar energy or derived from most any form of surplus energy (same
goes for creating HTP), much less bothering to use Li-6 + H-D for its
terrific fusion energy, perhaps there’s no reason to kid ourselves
that remaining hooked on terrestrial hydrocarbons is supposedly a good
thing and well worth all the wars, pollution, global inflation and the
wealth disparity it can muster. Perhaps we just need to rethink like
an oligarch Rothschild, and everything will turn out perfectly fine
and dandy, in spite of all the helium loss plus hydrocarbon trauma
we’ve imposed upon our world.

Oops! there I go, ranting off like a village idiot again, by
mentioning that very bad word “helium”. Sorry about that.

“In the Earth's atmosphere, the concentration of helium by volume is
only 5.2 parts per million. The concentration is low and fairly
constant despite the continuous production of new helium because most
helium in the Earth's atmosphere escapes into space by several
processes.”

Unavoidably we get helium with ever extracted barrel of oil plus every
cubic meter of natural gat, to go along with those amounts given off
by natural geology and biology. It’s suggested that the natural
leakage of helium that’s sustaining our atmospheric 5.24 ppm is only
worth 3000 tonnes per year, but that’s a total crock. All one needs
to do is add up all the vented, flared and consumed natural gas that
always has a percentage of helium, though most of it is below 1% and
only some of it gets as high as 7% helium saturated. As per consuming
3.65e12 m3/yr and given only 0.1% as He = 650,000 tonnes/year, and try
to remember that’s using just an extremely conservative 0.1% as He,
and that’s also not accounting for those blowouts, flaring, leakage
nor the volumes taken directly by Big Energy consumption that
supposedly doesn’t count, so more than likely from natural gas alone
we’re looking at 6.5e6 tonnes/yr that’s getting away from us, because
it sure as hell isn’t getting put back underground, nor is it sticking
with the gravity of Earth, along with our failing geomagnetic force
isn’t exactly helping to hold onto what we and the natural geothermal
ventings are releasing. For all w know, the all-inclusive helium loss
could be as great as 3e7 tonnes/year, though eventually this should
reduce or taper off, simply because we’ll be running out of methods
for extracting hydrocarbons, and it’ll only be the natural outflux of
helium taking place.

You’d think by now we’d have a better objective scientific monitor of
this volume of helium leakage, but sadly we don’t and as far as I can
tell no one actually cares. So the best we can do is to independently
investigate and estimate from secondary sources and to use deductive
science in order to determine the extent of our helium loss, and to
otherwise further appreciate the consequences (none of which are
positive, because this planet can not afford to keep losing its
precious cache of helium). Of course any planet or moon that over
time weighs less is going to heat and cool faster, not that any one
seems to care about that either.

However, just to imagine if 10% of the necessary metallicity for
sustaining those future generations that’ll be paying rather dearly
for their hydrocarbons plus whatever terrestrial metallicity, were
instead obtained via off-world resources should seem like a really
good idea, as well as a representing steps in the right direction for
humanity to expand off-world instead of always having to make due with
ten billion cranky humans on a world that can’t honestly afford to do
so. Only our resident naysayers would object to this interpretation
and alternative policy, but they have not only their motives,
opportunity and the means, but their boss has multiple consequences if
any of his/her troops should fail to prevail at keeping their
mainstream status-quo in charge of everything.

David Staup

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Been gone for a while, I see you're still talking to yourself
goofy.....chuckle

Brad Guth

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On Dec 27, 10:46 am, "David Staup" <dst...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> Unavoidably we get helium with every extracted barrel of oil plus every

Since you never constructively contribute anything of value, as well
as never having helped another soul with accomplishing a damn thing,
kinda means you were probably not missed at all. I sure as hell
haven't missed having you around.

Do you still think the mainstream status-quo is on the tracks and
going in the right direction?

Hägar

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As you may have noticed, the GuthBall also answers his own
stupid questions. Too much staring into the Sun, methinks ...

David Staup

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It's so hard to find another double digit IQ around here, so goofy answering
his own gibberish makes perfect sense....I guess

Brad Guth

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On Dec 27, 7:16 pm, "David Staup" <dst...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > As you may have noticed, the GuthBall also answers his own
> > stupid questions. Too much staring into the Sun, methinks ...
>
> It's so hard to find another double digit IQ around here, so goofy answering
> his own gibberish makes perfect sense....I guess

You have an IQ?

Got any proof of that?

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WE DO KNOW THAT YOU, THE GOOF, ARE INSANE!

WHO WOULD YOU TRUST?

INSANITY SOLVES NOTHING!

Saul Levy

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Dec 28, 2011, 5:06:31 PM12/28/11

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We can’t live on hydrocarbons forever. At some future point of no
return, our hydrocarbon resources are going to become too risky and/or
too spendy and complicated. Even Mokenergy doing his cheaper and way
cleaner synfuel from coal is only a couple hundred year fix. So we
have to either replace hydrocarbons with William Mook’s cheap H2 and
my HTP to go along with the remainders of spendy hydrocarbons via
synfuels made extensively from organics, or those taken from 10 km
deep wells that’ll have to frack for most every m3 of oil and natural
gas.

Fusion is likely never going to become our mainstream norm, because
fusion derived energy is exactly the same as any fusion WMD, and
thorium reactors are simply too cheap and failsafe to suit the needs
of those intent upon gaining as much public-funded job security plus
as much plutonium as possible, and you can’t do any of that by using
thorium.

Terrestrial underwater volcanic vents and lava spewing is worth at
least 75% of the global volumetric contributions to our oceans, crust
and atmosphere. After all, precious helium and other atmospheric
elements plus metallicity of all sports has to keep coming from
somewhere.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Bands_of_glowing_magma_from_submarine_volcano.jpg

Any deductive idea as to the average global contribution is going to
be highly disputed and/or remain next to impossible to contemplate,
because most every scientific survey uses a different standard and
provides various interpretations that leave a great deal up for grabs,
so to speak.

There’s roughly on average a good 50 to 75 underwater volcanoes of
substantial size and volumetric contribution, and thousands of smaller
vents or geothermal leaks taking place, so that the volumetric average
plus thermodynamic contribution of all this is going to remain hard to
impossible to pin down, especially without the likes of our OCO
satellites that had been specifically designed to map and quantify
such data. At any rate, us humans represent contributing something
like a very large and nasty continuous volcano per billion humans, so
perhaps at most we add 10% to the ongoing global trauma. So far so
good, as long as you can afford to ignore whatever our moon is doing
to our planet, and manage to keep up with the popular trend that’s
getting kind of lethal and spendy, because for those others that
can’t, too bad.

Fortunately there’s nothing about the toasty surface of Venus that’s
hidden or getting confused with any cloak of fluid dynamics that can’t
be fully researched as is. This is not to say that SAR imaging hasn’t
recorded fluids, as well as the considerable erosion from volcanic or
geothermal driven and planet shrinkage derived mud flows. There’s
also no question where its terrific atmosphere is coming from, and
surface metallicity isn’t in question.

Take a real good look-see for yourself, but don’t pay any attention to
your peers or their higher authority that have multiple terrestrial
investments at risk, because they’ll consistently obfuscate and naysay
damn near anything that gets in their way.

Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj

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chuckle

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Why should we bother with going after off-world metallicity?

Are we actually that confident that our hydrocarbon fuels (liquids,
gasses and solids) are forever? (are the consequences entirely worth
it?)

How about considering lifetime and multi-generation-proof jobs by the
millions, not to mention reduced environmental trauma and eliminating
our trade imbalance with a healthy surplus to spare, making America
the global robber barons in charge of hoarding and profiting just
about everything, essentially kicking out the likes of any Rothschilds
or Bank of China.

Earth certainly isn’t depleted of sufficient metallicity, because
supposedly it still has absolutely everything we need and then some,
although much of the really good stuff that used to be easy to come by
seems to have become scarce as well as artificially hoarded, hidden or
simply deeply sequestered within Earth, and perhaps that’s a darn good
thing since much of it and its processing is relatively toxic to our
surface environment. Even thorium and uranium are better left in the
soil and rock, rather than gathered up and concentrated enough for
fissions to take place, not to mention those secondary fission
byproducts created by processing and using uranium seems to have
become highly problematic and spendy as hell for us (especially when
those conventional reactors spit-up and/or blow their guts out, not to
mention spent fuel and those pesky WMD considerations), so perhaps the
annual off-world supply of either of those elements would highly
benefit us.

The natural evolving geology of Earth is yet another consideration,
whereas globally we get to deal with something like 4~5 km3 of
volcanic solids and perhaps 4~5e3 km3 in composite gas vapors per
year. Most of what comes out is somewhat destructive, as well as
disruptive and naturally much heavier metallicity worthy than helium,
and thus forever sticks with us or at least ends up in the oceans and
atmosphere. Vented helium on the other hand doesn’t bind with
anything, and unless gathered up and contained it tends to migrate
away from Earth because it’s easily solar wind extracted.

That's certainly a little off-topic, but indirectly it actually means
a lot. If we can manage to reduce the physical trauma to our
environment without our having to do without essential metallicity,
would be a very good thing. Better yet is when the off-world
metallicity is of higher quality and cheaper than terrestrial
alternatives, reducing social/political tensions seems like another
terrific benefit, not to mention the new and improved job security
might also be considered by some of us as a good thing, such as by
obtaining 10% of the annual metallicity from off-world resources could
easily provide a million high paying jobs with no end in sight, and
each of those jobs could easily spawn ten others.

Of course any 10% of annual metallicity supply may not seem all that
terrific, but considering the all-inclusive global savings and reduced
trauma to our environment plus a terrific energy savings should offer
a fairly impressive win-win kind of solution. William Mook and a few
others used to highly promote the vast wealth and benefits of their
off-world mining solutions, such as obtained from those asteroids
passing nearby, or from a few orbital planetoids that could be
relocated into a somewhat closer LEO or smacked into the farside of
our moon for processing, which might also be a terrific option for
terminating those items that could impose some future direct threat,
as to diverting their otherwise potential of impacting Earth. Last
time I’d checked, avoiding any asteroid imposed damage to our planet
could be worth many trillions, and possibly even worth a quadrillion,
plus this impact avoidance could easily save more than a billion of us
from certain death and others from the trauma of trying to survive and
rebuild everything.

So, a global supply of pure thorium as easily obtained from our
physically dark moon shouldn’t be scoffed at unless you have a better
idea. Many other valuable rare elements should also be considered as
a supplement or alternative to terrestrial derived elements.

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On Dec 28, 2:06 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking, we can’t live on hydrocarbons forever. At some future point of

> no return, our hydrocarbon resources are going to become too risky and/or
> too spendy and complicated. Even Mokenergy doing his cheaper and way
> cleaner synfuel from coal is only a couple hundred year fix. So we
> have to either replace hydrocarbons with William Mook’s cheap H2 and
> my HTP to go along with the remainders of spendy hydrocarbons via
> synfuels made extensively from organics, or those taken from 10 km
> deep wells that’ll have to frack for most every m3 of oil and natural
> gas.
>
> Fusion is likely never going to become our mainstream norm, because
> fusion derived energy is exactly the same as any fusion WMD, and
> thorium reactors are simply too cheap and failsafe to suit the needs
> of those intent upon gaining as much public-funded job security plus
> as much plutonium as possible, and you can’t do any of that by using
> thorium.
>
> Terrestrial underwater volcanic vents and lava spewing is worth at
> least 75% of the global volumetric contributions to our oceans, crust
> and atmosphere. After all, precious helium and other atmospheric
> elements plus metallicity of all sports has to keep coming from
> somewhere.

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Are terrestrial hydrocarbons forever?

Is Earth as good as it gets for intelligent life?

Can’t truly intelligent other life adapt via applied physics, science
and research for the general betterment of life as they know it?

How dead certain are we that our government hasn’t been telling us
lies, by way of obfuscation and/or by simply banishing anyone that
knows the least bit of anything valid or informative about off-world
matters. Our government and those above such elected and/or appointed
authority certainly don’t want the rest of us to have anything to do
with William Mook or his Mokenergy, and yet he seems relatively
harmless, though bipolar and somewhat eccentric on steroids, at least
he’s informative and willing to share most of his ideas that’ll
usually require the wizard of Oz along with the financial resources of
the Rothschilds to accomplish, mostly because the rest of us are kind
of tapped out.

Why should we seriously bother with going after off-world metallicity?
(or perhaps a whole lot better question is; why the hell not?)

Are we actually that totally confident that our hydrocarbon fuels
(liquids, gasses and solids) are forever? (are those social/political
and environmental consequences still entirely worth it? or is the
global impression of us overreacting getting a little too real and
even thermonuclear risky?) Of course with our NIF developing fusion
bombs, at least it could be a relatively clean 6.5 billion kill, and
eventually the environment should recover without fear of genetic
mutations from excessive or accumulative radiation.

Perhaps with our advanced WMD ability to deploy and utilize as much
lethal force and false flags as necessary, and to otherwise dominate
the electronic/internet media and utilize its data to the point of
eavesdropping and controlling all global banking, investments and
insurance that can be manipulated to suit, is perhaps what other
nations have to fear the most, about us becoming another one of “The
Gods of Eden”
http://www.ukrytesprawy.org/inne/William_Bramley_-_The_Gods_of_Eden.pdf

Instead of continually pushing our global resources and the frail
environment towards the point of no return, how about considering the
greater good and benefits of creating those lifetime and multi-

generation-proof jobs by the millions, not to mention reduced
environmental trauma and eliminating our trade imbalance with a

healthy surplus of products and energy to spare, making America the
global robber barons in charge of hoarding and profiting at just about

everything, essentially kicking out the likes of any Rothschilds or

Bank of China because we’d have at least twice the wealth and
authority of those two combined.

Earth certainly isn’t depleted of sufficient metallicity, because
supposedly it still has absolutely everything we need and then some,
although much of the really good stuff that used to be easy to come by

seems to have become scarce as well as artificially hoarded, as well
as geologically hidden or simply deeply sequestered within Earth, and

perhaps that’s a darn good thing since much of it and its processing
is relatively toxic to our surface environment. Even thorium and
uranium are better left in the soil and rock, rather than gathered up
and concentrated enough for fissions to take place, not to mention
those secondary fission byproducts created by processing and

especially using uranium seems to have become highly problematic and

spendy as hell for us (especially when those conventional reactors

spit-up and/or blow their guts out, not to mention their considerable
spent fuel and always the lingering threat of those pesky WMD
considerations that utilize plutonium), so perhaps the annual off-

world supply of either of those elements would highly benefit us.

The natural evolving geology of Earth is yet another consideration

that has limits, whereas globally we get to deal with something like

4~5 km3 of volcanic solids and perhaps 4~5e3 km3 in composite gas
vapors per year. Most of what comes out is somewhat destructive, as
well as disruptive and naturally much heavier metallicity worthy than
helium, and thus forever sticks with us or at least ends up in the
oceans and atmosphere. Vented helium on the other hand doesn’t bind
with anything, and unless gathered up and contained it tends to
migrate away from Earth because it’s easily solar wind extracted.

That's certainly taking this a little off-topic, but indirectly it
actually means a lot to those few of us that honestly care. If we can

manage to reduce the physical trauma to our environment without our
having to do without essential metallicity, would be a very good
thing. Better yet is when the off-world metallicity is of higher
quality and cheaper than terrestrial alternatives, reducing social/
political tensions seems like another terrific benefit, not to mention
the new and improved job security might also be considered by some of
us as a good thing, such as by obtaining 10% of the annual metallicity
from off-world resources could easily provide a million high paying
jobs with no end in sight, and each of those jobs could easily spawn
ten others.

Of course any 10% of annual metallicity supply may not seem all that

super terrific, but considering the all-inclusive global savings and

reduced trauma to our environment plus a terrific energy savings
should offer a fairly impressive win-win kind of solution. William
Mook and a few others used to highly promote the vast wealth and
benefits of their off-world mining solutions, such as obtained from
those asteroids passing nearby, or from a few orbital planetoids that
could be relocated into a somewhat closer LEO or smacked into the
farside of our moon for processing, which might also be a terrific
option for terminating those items that could impose some future
direct threat, as to diverting their otherwise potential of impacting
Earth. Last time I’d checked, avoiding any asteroid imposed damage to
our planet could be worth many trillions, and possibly even worth a
quadrillion, plus this impact avoidance could easily save more than a
billion of us from certain death and others from the trauma of trying
to survive and rebuild everything.

So, how about a global supply of pure thorium as easily obtained from
our physically dark moon, shouldn’t be scoffed at unless you have a

better idea. Many other valuable rare elements should also be
considered as a supplement or alternative to terrestrial derived

elements, unless you think our planet and its inhabitants can take all
the punishment that can be attributed, and then some. Though perhaps
if you don’t like the idea of anyone messing with our physically dark
and paramagnetic moon that’s supposedly made out of Earth, there’s
always the extremely nearby and totally vibrant plus geologically
active planet Venus to pillage and plunder, whereas “Guth Venus”
represents just one of many locations on Venus that should be
dominated and controlled by our guys, instead of Muslims or some other
cranky group that might not share.

Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
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Your MI6/CIA/Qinetiq-NA status-quo is noted.

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Game changing is going to be absolutely imperative if this planet of
lost souls starving for hydrocarbons and other resources of basic
sustenance is ever going to stabilize and prosper as intended by those
having created and/or having allowed us to use this planet. Of course
Zionist/Jews seem to think this entire planet was specifically
intended for only their use and benefit, not that a few other
religions haven’t developed that same notion in order to survive in
spite of what the upper caste of Zionist/Jews have been getting away
with doing.

Political, corporate and especially their cloak of faith-based
corruption has to be eliminated or at least tamed unless the same old
do-overs of spendy and too often bloody failures, greed and hoarding
is what remains as our one and only mainstream status-quo option of
creating and/or sustaining disparity. Unfortunately, whomever our
republic elects to represent us as our president is still quite
deluded to think that others above this level of presidency are not
pulling strings on their own behalf, and as long as the whole truth
and nothing but the truth of our history can't ever be revised and
told to the current and next K-12 generations, there's going to be a
perpetual continuation of the same old policies that got us into this
mess of energy plus other resource depletions and/or artificial
scarcity to begin with.

Off-world exploitations of our moon and of that extremely nearby
planet Venus would make a truly big difference, as a serious game
changer that should easily prevent WW3, as well as minimize any chance
of seeing another 9/11, and you are absolutely correct that "The
corporate international energy fascists will stop at NOTHING" /
Forrest Piper.

With many of our terrestrial elements, it seems we are already
approaching “Peak Ore”, and for some rare-earths it has already gotten
us a little past Peak-Ore because, the inflated cost of obtaining such
natural elements has gotten more complex and spendy than having to
artificially create some of them, or simply further complicated by
having to doing without and/or by having to substitute with other
composite alloys. Iridium happens to be one of those rare-earth
elements, whereas carboneous chrondite meteors and asteroids known as
C(4), and this type most likely includes portions of our naked moon
because it’s acting as such a terrific anticathode for giving off
gamma and hard X-rays, can be rather highly saturated enough to be
seriously worth going after. No doubt asteroid YU55 is a C(4), so
perhaps it’s no wonder they (NASA/DARPA/JPL/ASU and all others
associated) obfuscated as much as they could by having never bothered
to get us any gamma spectrometry for estimating its density and
subsequent mass of asteroid 2005-YU55, because they don’t seem to want
private enterprise getting wild ideas of exploiting such items that
could seriously pay off, big time.

It has long been speculated that “Most significantly 25% of the
material in the asteroid belt as well as Demos and Phobos, the moons
of Mars, are made of this same material”

“THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM”
http://pw1.netcom.com/~ncoic/meteor.htm
“There is another feature of the C(4). It is 10,000 times richer in
the platinum series metals (platinum, iridium, osmium, gold, silver)
as the richest ores on the earth! The earth was molten long after its
formation. During this period the heavier metals sank to the core
under gravitational influences making them rare on the minable
surface. Because the material in the asteroid belt was never subjected
to gravitational influence these precious metals are homogenous.
Harvesting this God given bonanza would create a paradigm shift in
industry here on earth. Gold would be so abundant that it could be
used for all electrical circuitry. Alloys of enormously hard metals
like osmium and iridium could be used on the wear points of all
industrial equipment for the production of machines that would not
wear out. All of mankind would benefit !! (all except the monopolists
who depend upon creating shortages for their wealth and power).”

“Dr. John Coleman tells of a BILDERBERGER type meeting held in GREAT
BRITAIN in 1968 attended by the lions of world finance including David
Rockefeller and his operatives Henry Kissinger and Zbignew Brezinski.
After a long procession of speakers denouncing the U.S. space program,
the conference chairman concluded with a demand that the U.S. "shut
down its space program" followed by David Rockfeller's assurance that
this would be done. The unparalleled industrial progress that created
APOLLO was interfering with the elitist plans to deindustrialize the
US. Dr. Coleman has not produced the requested minutes of this meeting
but it rings true to me. In 1973 Nixon devastated NASA by cutting the
budget by 2/3 and throwing 2\3 of the scientists out on the street. It
took me 10 years to learn that the fate of the space program that I
was so dedicated to had already been sealed years before I had even
started.”

“An important part of this betrayal was the STRATEGIC DEFENSE
INITIATIVE. This, the most wasteful of all space programs soaked away
funding from the commercial development of space which was its only
purpose.”
http://www.ncoic.com/
http://pw1.netcom.com/~ncoic/index.html

Going off-world for valuable metallicity and even the likes of
carbonado/diamond is just getting a little easier than we’ve been
told, especially when some of these little to large captured asteroids
become temporary moons as orbiting more than sufficiently nearby.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/21/earth-has-other-moons-astronomer-says/
Unfortunately, it seems our NASA has been systemically colorblind,
therefore whatever deep colors/hues of surface metallicity are not
being made available for our investigative review, such as Vesta by
way of Hubble color and then by way of Dawn is a perfectly good
example of how our NASA can’t seem to cure its own nearsighted
colorblind affliction or dysfunction of such limited dynamic range.
Here’s a typical composite of Hubble and Dawn:
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/slide1_image.jpg
So there’s simply no telling if we’re looking at sodium, gold,
platinum, thorium, carbonado or any lump of coal, and apparently our
gamma spectrometry science of mapping the metallicity of Vesta simply
isn’t working. Apparently, the closer we get to something of an
asteroid or moon, the brighter its albedo and the less color/hue
saturations exist, as well as anything UV reactive simply doesn’t
exist (at least that’s what our Apollo moon turned out to be), even
though modern cameras have considerably better dynamic range of
contrast and colors (including IR to UV) than any Kodak color film
could possibly offer.

Perhaps going after such off-world metallicity is actually a very good
thing, not that digging up and/or excavating our way through another
fraction of a percent of our Eden, plus extensive recycling shouldn’t
get us by (in between all the usual environmental compromises, mostly
negative consequences, international and racial/ethnicity conflicts
that usually involve some degree of faith-based policy, and wars often
related to terrestrial metallicity and hydrocarbons derived from the
very existence of such elements that are getting harder to come by).
Thus far we’ve processed through and/or having excavated and sucked
dry roughly .000001% of our planet as is, and that ten billionths of
our planet is only worth 60 trillion tonnes. However, adding in what
we’ve intentionally and accidentally cleared and/or having cultivated
and helped erode to death is perhaps worth an all-inclusive 6
quadrillion tonnes (.0001% or 6000 trillion tonnes) thus far (not
including the glacial ice we’re melting), so perhaps we’ve still got a
really long ways to go before ever reaching that dreaded point of no
return, of our having to meticulously sift through 0.1% of Earth in
order to squeeze out those last drops or cubic meters of hydrocarbons
plus extracting those valuable metallicity elements, that which might
not even be possible without our going below our relatively thin
crust, is another good thousand years of considerable disparity and
wars upon wars away.

Perhaps this is why the ruling oligarchs and Rothschilds of our planet
could honestly care less about funding or allowing any such public or
private investments on behalf of going after any off-world expeditions
or advancing applied technology towards those sorts of metallicity
goals, because we still have sufficient terrestrial resources plus
easily contrived shortages to exploit as is, and why spoil a good
thing.

In addition to the bedrock and innards of whatever our moon has to
offer, CME sputtering is essentially the solar wind enhancing the
surface metallicity, by further darkening plus further enrichment of
our moon. However, those ionized sodium and potassium elements as
having sublimed from within the moon, as solar heated and
electrostatic suspended within that extremely tenuous lunar atmosphere
is naturally what those CMEs and regular solar winds can most easily
excavate and abscond with, especially good at removing any hydrogen
and helium.
http://sirius.bu.edu/aeronomy/solarwind.pdf

The sodium metallicity cloud and its comet like tail of lunar derived
sodium doesn’t fully disperse below 5 Na/cm3 until having been blown
nearly 900,000 km, whereas above the atmospheric scale height of 120 ±
42 kilometers is still the tremendous volume and considerable mass of
Na that has to be sustained and/or replenished within all of this
surrounding plus its unavoidably trailing cloud, is hardly
representing an insignificant loss of this Na.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/241/4866/675.short
“Spectra of the region just above the bright limb of the Moon show
weak emission features that are attributed to resonant scattering of
sunlight from sodium and potassium vapor in the lunar atmosphere. The
maximum omnidirectional emission flux above the bright limb is 3.8 ±
0.4 kilorayleighs for sodium and 1.8 ± 0.4 kiloray-leighs for
potassium. The zenith column densities above the subsolar point are
estimated to be 8 ± 3 x 108 atoms cm-2 for sodium 1.4 ± 0.3 x 108
atoms cm-2 for potassium. Corresponding surface densities are 67 ± 12
atoms cm-3 and 15 ± 3 atoms cm-3, respectively. The scale height for
the sodium atmosphere is 120 ± 42 kilometers, and for potassium 90 ±
20 kilometers, which implies that the effective temperature of the
sodium and potassium is close to the lunar surface temperature. The
sodium density at the south polar region was found to be similar to
that at the subsolar point, indicating wide-spread distribution of
sodium vapor over the lunar surface. The ratio of the density of
sodium to the density of potassium is (6 ± 3) to 1, which is close to
the sodium to potassium ratio in the lunar surface, suggesting that
the atmosphere originates from the vaporization of surface minerals.”

Actually, gold should always be a highly stable lunar element that’s
still going to remain as a very nifty metal that's always in high
demand, because it’s still extremely good for all sorts of terrific
stuff, besides just always looking good it’ll also be kind of hard to
replace with other alloys that are any easier or less spendy to come
by. By rights our physically dark moon should be saturated with its
fair share of gold deposits and otherwise hosting many other valuable
metallicity elements, because any good color image of the physically
dark lunar surface proves that such a terrific assortment of metal
ores do exist, as well as the sodium atmosphere is another dead give
away that our moon has been giving off loads of that metallicity
element for quite some time.

Perhaps the next time we actually walk upon that physically dark and
metallicity saturated moon of ours (no technological sweat according
to our NASA and DARPA Apollo wizards as of 4+ decades ago), that's
unavoidably paramagnetic basalt and highly anticathode worthy, we
should establish some actual interactive science instruments that'll
provide real-time objective science data on demand. There's always a
first time for everything, so why not accomplish our moon and set up
camp, at least using TBMs for going deep inside where it's going to be
perfectly safe and consistently cozy?

We could deploy a lunar qualified version of R2D2 as our LR2D2
telerobotic android geologist scout, having a few mechanical
prospecting tools and science including gamma spectrometry and of
course multiple 100X zoom optical and 16.8e6 pixel imagers that’ll
cover 350 to 1050 nm plus having at least 8 narrow spectrum bandpass
filters or spectrum enhanced saturation channels plus a visual
bandpass limited spectrum filter to work with. Obviously this LR2D2
could be fairly substantial in its volume and mass, powered by a load
of HTP plus solar that’s now capable of 100% efficiency, and otherwise
a small plutonium powered generator, because according to our Apollo
era stipulated that its dusty surface isn’t very deep and traction is
never a problem with such terrific clumping and surface tension to
work with, and those Apollo controlled soft landings haven’t been an
insurmountable fly-by-rocket problem for roughly five decades.

The moon Io is yet another good example of a dynamically active
resource of terrific metallicity that oddly isn’t the least bit
monochromatic according to those Galileo spacecraft images. Even
though its orbit only varies by 3,400 km (a fraction of what our moon
varies 42,840 km) it seems to get tidal modulated enough in places to
more than fry an egg, though on average radiating only 2 w/m2 (roughly
a tenth that of Venus), so there’s no shortages of Io metallicity nor
local energy for processing.

“The scientists have estimated that Io's magma ocean is some 50km (30
miles) thick, and bubbling away at a temperature above 1,200°C. Its
presence under a low-density crust of around 30 to 50km (20 to 30
miles) explains why the moon's volcanoes are dotted all over its
surface, rather than in "localised hotspots" as happens at the
boundaries of Earth's tectonic plates.”

However, if the NWO or OWG is going to become simply a new and
improved force of evil upon evil, whereas only the bully oligarchs and
Rothschilds as mutually competitive robber barons get to decide most
everything, then it's not going to become such a good thing for off-
world metallicity, much less fair and balanced for the other 99.9999%
of us that’ll always get to work hard in order to keep paying for
everything. Perhaps that’s the most important message in those
Georgia Guide Stones, telling us that a maximum of 500 million get to
remain and dominate this planet because that’s all this nearly spent
planet can possibly accommodate as a fully unified world population
without involving social, political and faith-based insurmountable
issues or environmental consequences from excessive human population
and environmental disregard.

I’m always into rethinking, of what little social/political corruption
is left for grabs is kind of the remainders of crumbs within our
mostly public funded cookie jar, because all of those really good
cookies of unpunishable crimes of greed and corruption at the upper
most social/political and faith-based level have already been taken
and consumed by those truly in charge of whomever we elect or appoint,
and clearly some of the most mainstream religion(s) can’t be trusted
to police its own kind. Without some kind of revised future that’ll
have to include off-world resources or else a substantial reduction in
global population, that’s kind of like our terrestrial God being
forever lost, up that fast moving creek without a prayer, and the
longer we wait the greater risk of losing what little we have becomes
a reality.

Perhaps it's past due that we the evil unstatus-quo villagers with
each of our fist full of burning sticks should take charge, and if
need be storm and burn down the castles of those evil robber barons
oppressing and misguiding us, because to William Mook and many others,
with applied physics and existing technology this planet of ours can
accommodate billions more without our having to go off-world in
seeking greater riches and/or in further pursuit of even the basics
that’ll be required for sustaining terrestrial life as we know it. Of
course the already rich and powerful could care less, because they
honestly think they’ve got it made no matters what local or global
consequences take place. So, it's kind of the new evil of us village
idiots going up against the old established collective oligarch
evil(s), and may the best bad-guys win. Of course it’s only the most
evil victors that ever get to interpret and publish their version of
history, so that whatever mistakes or do-overs at public expense can
be forgotten and/or continually blamed on those other evil bad guys
that were the losers. Clearly, it seems only us few good guys of
Usenet/newsgroups are the losers, perhaps because we didn’t get to
cheat and obfuscate our way to the top.

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On Jan 10, 7:44 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
wrote:
“Watch Our Own Babylon Fall in the Name of Oily Zionism”
:
: So the NWO 'script' for world control is to socialize the oil
: industry, in order to create class dependency, and thus by causing
: another war, we have depression, which equals dependency, and then
: oppression of the revolutionary energy technolog(ies), and then
: possession of the means to control the way that the anti-traction
of
: the 'revolutionary, yankee ingenuity' technolog(ies) can exempt
the
: status-quo from ever participating.
:
: What ever happened to off-planet industrialization? Globalists must
: also perceive that theirs is the only stepping stone to owning the
: universe, which is absurd...
:
: Is the U.S. Military (Ron Paul Overlords) Fighting Only for Israel's
God?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ex-adviser-obama-ready-to-strike-to-stop-iran.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/when-war-games-go-live-preparing-to-attack-iran-simulating-world-war-iii.html

> How does it do this?
> It does it by ignoring and/or avoiding the exposure of Ron Paul to the
> average voter at all costs:
> http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-ally-huntsman-is-the-establishments......
> But does this mean that Ron Paul himself is NOT an oily Zionist? IMO
> not as long as a more free international energy market represents a
> geopolitical game-changer throughout the rest of the world.
> Ron Paul himself has been silent on this - probably because even his
> constituents are only slowly beginning to awake from the last 100
> years or so, of the progressive influence on corporate America
> worldwide.
> The corporate international energy fascists will stop at NOTHING,
> including creating WWIII, in order to force the free energy markets
> into even greater subversion - but history reveals that, all
> mechanizations of war that sought to subdue peace with their own
> military strength (Spartans), and not Almighty YHWH, were eventually
> subdued themselves by other nations who recognized their bloodlust-
> gone-rampant.

Game changing is going to be absolutely imperative if this planet of

lost souls is ever going to stabilize and prosper as intended by those

having created and/or having allowed us to use this planet. Of course
Zionist/Jews seem to think this entire planet was specifically

intended for only their use, and other faith-based groups or cabals
have followed suit in order to survive in spite of what the upper
caste of Semites are doing to us and our world.

Political, corporate and especially their always handy cloak of faith-
based corruption has to be eliminated unless the same old do-overs of

bloody failures, greed and hoarding is what remains as our one and
only mainstream status-quo option of creating and/or sustaining

disparity. Whomever our republic elects to represent us as our

president is still quite deluded to think that others above this level
of presidency are not pulling strings on their own behalf, and as long
as the whole truth and nothing but the truth of our history can't ever
be revised and told to the current and next K-12 generations, there's
going to be a perpetual continuation of the same old policies that got
us into this mess of energy plus other resource depletions and/or
artificial scarcity to begin with.

Off-world exploitations of our moon and of that extremely nearby
planet Venus would make a truly big difference, as a serious game
changer that should easily prevent WW3, as well as minimize any chance
of seeing another 9/11, and you are absolutely correct that "The
corporate international energy fascists will stop at NOTHING" /Forrest
Piper.

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If we can’t manage to supply our own hydrocarbons at the lowest price
on Earth (similar to how Venezuela manages their hydrocarbons), much
less have any surplus for export, and instead we have to keep the
social/political pressure on those which do seem to have more than
their fair share by maintaining artificial scarcity and/or via insider
trading plus hording, bullying and covert false-flag and/or special
ops that can manage to get away with pretty much anything (including
assassinations and war), then we’re in a whole lot bigger and nastier
immoral pot of trouble than we’re being allowed to know about.

60 Minutes interview of Qatar “Rising From the Sand”, has certainly
developed their rather large surplus of oil and natural gas, of which
they also refine their own oil plus process and liquefy their NG
mostly for export. Of course natural gas isn’t just CH4, and oil
isn’t just one kind of fluid petrochemical hydrocarbon, so there’s any
number of other valuable fluids and gasses which they also get to
market to the highest bidders. Qatar has more than proven how the
world can be way better off with a surplus of energy, and especially
when so many others are either hydrocarbon deficient or simply too
greedy and careless with their mass consumption that’s very addictive
plus otherwise artificially made essential to sustaining their way and
quality of life.

According to others, including William Mook and myself, there have
always been perfectly viable alternatives and/or substitutes that in
many applications are every bit as good or better than natural
hydrocarbons, as well as way better for the global environment
(including better quality and less spendy synfuel from coal). This
doesn’t mean that any 100% shift away from conventional hydrocarbons
is necessary, but it does mean that we need to get ourselves a whole
lot smarter about such hydrocarbons and other energy usage, because
having to lose thousands of folks per year (not even including
military losses) and artificially manipulating global markets and/or
going to war on false pretexts isn’t exactly a viable long-term
alternative.

Going off-world has certain spendy and human risk factors, but it also
offers multiple alternatives for obtaining valuable metallicity and
unlimited energy for the extracting, processing and exporting such
elements back to Earth, at a fraction of the negative environmental
impact that our all-inclusive terrestrial alternatives would involve.

This means we need to look long and hard at our physically dark and
paramagnetic moon, as well as to further consider what the extremely
nearby planet Venus has to offer.

Thumbnail images, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif

“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in

question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314

Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:

http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj

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On Dec 27 2011, 10:21 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

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How best to further destroy whatever’s left of our environment while

living large, is to damn those torpedoes and maintain our mainstream
status-quo dependency on hydrocarbons, disregarding whatever

consequences that future generations get to live with and pay dearly

for. At least that’s the mainstream status-quo policy that’s enforced
by an army of brown-nosed clowns and FUD-masters that get to do as
they please.

A typical oil/gas well of 200,000 barrels/day plus 150e6 cf of raw NG/
day
* 3.18e4 m3/day of oil
* 4.25e6 m3/day of natural gas

The cubic meter volumes of raw natural gas per barrel of extracted oil
from deep wells can easily run 50:1 and even up to 1000:1 isn’t

unheard of. The oil wellhead percentage of its CH4 typically runs

between 10% and 90%, and this composite vapor might include roughly 5%

propane, which means that up to 90% of raw natural gas (typically

includes CO2 and in some instances packing a good amount of CO, plus
there’s always some Butane and Helium along with other slight amounts

of unavoidable radon and hydrogen sulfides) that gets vented or
sometimes though rarely forcibly pumped back into the ground where it

usually migrates and leaks out somewhere else or contaminates ground
water.

The quality of refined natural gas that’s supposed to be mostly CH4
varies greatly, whereas the enormous consumption of natural gas on

behalf of purging or extracting those thick and heavy hydrocarbons out

from oily sand, using considerable energy derived from natural gas as

their primary method of forcibly extracting its crude oil, is
consuming mostly volumes of raw unrefined natural gas, which puts out
a much greater amount of toxins as it provides atmospheric dimming via
soot and those raw elements of mostly toxic and acidic pollution into
the environment, not to mention those fully unavoidable escapements of
elements like helium which further displaces and/or disrupts our

protective layer of O3/ozone.

Supposedly Russia maintains the volumetric lead on wellhead blowouts,

spillage and large scale leakage, however the Gulf blowout of that
Deepwater BP fiasco likely spewed upwards of 5e6 barrels of a nasty
sulphur laced oily composite (not including their added hydrocarbon
molecular mutagen toxicity of Corexit), plus having vented upwards of

another 150 m3 of raw natural gas per barrel of oil. Some of us
village idiots actually thought this kind of blowout was a very bad
thing, not to mention that it only represented another 1% of what gets
annually blown out, leaked, spilled and/or flared off anyway, though
much of which gets way underreported and/or entirely obfuscated by the

Big Energy industry that’s always in full denial as well as in charge
of what most government and/or regulatory agencies have any
responsibility for such accumulative accountability. There’s also
great amounts of oil refinement, storage, distribution, aftermarket
and end-use spillage and multiple end-use ventings, so who the hell
really knows the full all-inclusive extent of this hydrocarbon trauma

hell we can’t possibly do any worse environmental damage)

With some basic talent and expertise, whereas instead we could and
should have been been a mostly electrified world, with only limited

hydrocarbon usage that doesn’t hardly pollute our environment nor

taking every last hard earned dollar in order to deal with it.
Hydrocarbons can be utilized much more efficiently, and in some

instances without having to consume raw atmosphere would offer many

benefits that a half century ago wasn’t technically possible.

However, it’s as though we’re stuck in the past, with nowhere to go
but down with the ship.

Our naked moon and certainly Venus may in fact be a whole lot worse
off than Earth for sustaining any kind of intelligent other life,
unless they're smart enough to tie their own shoelaces, because most
folks here in these public Usenet/newsgroups are clearly not even that
smart. However, at least Venus doesn't have to artificially pollute
their environment in order to get by, because raw natural energy is
just about everywhere.

Brad Guth

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