Arabian Parts Question (Part Of Fortune) Orb is?
cheswick
Question, how sensitive are the Arabian Parts orb wise? My POF (9th, Aqu)
is exactly 4 degrees to my Midheaven(aqu), should I consider that a
conjunction? Should I also consider it to be influencing my 10th house? Or
is it for the most point a very tight orb?
While I am at it, what about orbs to the MC? I have Neptune just under 5
degrees Square to it, would anyone consider that?
Working with the planets I use a pretty wide orb, but I haven't done too
much work/studying with regard to the sensitive points of a chart. So I am
curious as to what the majority thinks.
All replys will be greatly appreciated.
Chezzy
John Reder
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Angles don't have orbs. The MC is not an active agent, in the same
sense as a planet. (You don't talk in terms of your MC square your
Asc.) These are reactive points in the horoscope. It is the planet
itself upon which the orb depends.
The only time I have ever heard an angle talked about in terms of an
orb, is in horary. One general rule is that a valid Asc. in a horary
question chart, must be greater than 3 degrees or less than 27 degrees.
(Less than 3, the question is premature; greater than 27, the question
is too late.) the only exception being when the Asc. is conjunct a
planet in the questioner's natal chart. Then an orb of 30 seconds is
allowed.
Arabic parts are along the same lines. They are not active agents, but
merely point in the chart holding some special significance.
They too would depend on the planet's orb to it. If you were talking
about Fortuna aspecting an angle, I would think the 30 seconds idea
would be valid.
Fortuna supposedly indicates, by house placement, where the natives
true interest in life lies, so if it is in the 9th, by 4 degrees, then
it is the 9th.
Of more interpretive concern would be that exact degree in the zodiac.
Concern should be taken for it's being in a critical degree, conjunct a
fixed star, or if you use them the Sabian Symbol for that degree.
The above would also apply to the Moon's nodes.
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Jon Dunn
Angles are often discussed as having orbs. Sometimes the fact that the MC
may be square the ASC is discussed in the literature.
John Reder
Jon Dunn wrote:
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> Angles are often discussed as having orbs. Sometimes the fact that the MC
> may be square the ASC is discussed in the literature.
I am persoanally unaware of anbody using angle to angel aspects.
(though there are certainly a lot of different theories out there>) My
experience has been to use angles as intrinsic points and not as active
agents in the sense of planets. As for orbs of the angles, doesn't it
become a moot point, in relation to the planet aspecting?
Anyway, what orb would you say they have? As I mentioned
before, my only experience of same, says 30 seconds (Tyl), at least not
greater than 1 degree.
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cheswick
> Anyway, what orb would you say they have? As I mentioned
> before, my only experience of same, says 30 seconds (Tyl), at least not
> greater than 1 degree.
You mean 30 minutes, right? 30 seconds of arc would rule out most dead on
(same degree) conjunctions?
Chezzy
Thomas Seers
Hi,
In a natal chart 3 degrees only is the orb I use with the Arabian
parts, one degree in transit.
Your one degree square to the MC ( if it is correct, MC ) would
translate as an inability for your bosses in your working environment to
assertion your worth and would often cause you to be overlooked in
evaluations for promotions.
Neptune would produce the confusion in their minds and those without
that condition would recieve more consideration.
House cusps are a static state of energy ( if correct ) and respond to
all motion in a chart.
Hope this helps, Thomas
cheswick wrote:
>
> Question, how sensitive are the Arabian Parts orb wise? My POF (9th, Aqu)
> is exactly 4 degrees to my Midheaven(aqu), should I consider that a
> conjunction? Should I also consider it to be influencing my 10th house? Or
> is it for the most point a very tight orb?
>
> While I am at it, what about orbs to the MC? I have Neptune just under 5
> degrees Square to it, would anyone consider that?
>
> Working with the planets I use a pretty wide orb, but I haven't done too
> much work/studying with regard to the sensitive points of a chart. So I am
> curious as to what the majority thinks.
>
> All replys will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Chezzy
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John Reder
30 Minutes, Yes! My error. Optical Rectosis! Head so far up ass
couldn't see what I was saying!
anonym™
John Reder wrote:
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> 30 Minutes, Yes! My error. Optical Rectosis! Head so far up ass
> couldn't see what I was saying!
Better get a chisel. Your head's obviously been stuck there ever since
you started posting here. The dried matter around your neck is not
allowing anal egress.
Why you ever shoved your head up your own ass is something we'd better
skip.
Butt thank you for explaining your recent behavior.
Jon Dunn
On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, John Reder wrote:
> I am persoanally unaware of anbody using angle to angel aspects.
> (though there are certainly a lot of different theories out there>) My
> experience has been to use angles as intrinsic points and not as active
> agents in the sense of planets. As for orbs of the angles, doesn't it
> become a moot point, in relation to the planet aspecting?
> Anyway, what orb would you say they have? As I mentioned
> before, my only experience of same, says 30 seconds (Tyl), at least not
> greater than 1 degree.
One example, John, would be the book 'Dynamics of Aspect Analysis' by Bil
Tierney. In following along with the delineations there, I read that I
would be considered by the author to have a fixed T-square involving the
ASC as one of the points involved. I don't recall exactly what orbs were
discussed, however.
Many popular books (including 'Planets in Youth' by Hand, to name
one) included delineations of aspects to angles. I don't remember what
orbs are recommended, by I'm sure that the orbs discussed were comparable
to those between planets.
Are we speaking of the 'orb' for an aspect, and 'orb' for a point/planet,
or both?
Thanks.
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John Reder
Still ass fixated? One track mind and driving in reverse, Virgin Boy!
(Hope you aren't fixated on my ass? Your ambition is probably being
cell mates with a Greek in a Turkish prison.)
John Reder
>
>One example, John, would be the book 'Dynamics of Aspect Analysis' by Bil
>Tierney. In following along with the delineations there, I read that I
>would be considered by the author to have a fixed T-square involving the
>ASC as one of the points involved. I don't recall exactly what orbs were
>discussed, however.
>
>Many popular books (including 'Planets in Youth' by Hand, to name
>one) included delineations of aspects to angles. I don't remember what
>orbs are recommended, by I'm sure that the orbs discussed were comparable
>to those between planets.
>
I don't know Tierny, but Hand is a local boy and I am very much aware
of him. There was a period in the 70's when a sort of "Algonquin
Roundtable" of astrologers existed. basically all writing for the same
publisher. There was the whole "Planets In..." series, they were in
to. Planets in Composite..Love..whatever.
The problem, as I saw it, there seemed to be more of an effort to out
produce each other and almost a rivalry to see who g0t to sit head chair
at the "roundtable." each one had to have the bigger book, with the
most revolutionary theory. Frankly, I felt the egos were starting to
get out of control.
In that group, I honestly don't see anyone trying to teach any student
anything. None of them ever wrote anything in regards to an
instructional text on how to do a horoscope. They were writing for
their group and that was it. So after a point, it seemed to be getting
out of hand, (no pun intended). I didn't think it was good astrological
work. (too much psychological emphasis for one thing. Again trying to
be impressive with their own knowledge.)
Even if you consider that the angles do effect each other, what do you
have. The Asc and the MC will, from a major aspect perspective, have
only 2 angles, besides the square, that can form (and you would have to
be at extreme latitude for that). Besides which, s o you will only see
something if they are activated by a planetary aspect. So the point is
moot. It is the orb of the planet setting off the phenomena.
I guess in short, I give Hand and the others little credence, because I
tend to reject the talkers. I feel, the more complicated you make the
delineation of the horoscope, the more difficult you make it to do, not
the easier. Besides which, when you really expound, you start to fall
in love with your own voice and it is really easy to loose perspective.
anonym™
John Reder wrote:
>
> anonym™ wrote:
> >
> > John Reder wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > 30 Minutes, Yes! My error. Optical Rectosis! Head so far up ass
> > > couldn't see what I was saying!
> >
> > Better get a chisel. Your head's obviously been stuck there ever since
> > you started posting here. The dried matter around your neck is not
> > allowing anal egress.
> >
> > Why you ever shoved your head up your own ass is something we'd better
> > skip.
> >
> > Butt thank you for explaining your recent behavior.
>
> Still ass fixated?
Are you? I would have left it alone, but since you volunteered the
information that you'd gotten your head stuck up your ass, I thought I'd
help you out!
> One track mind and driving in reverse, Virgin Boy!
That you are, Head Stuck Up Ass!
> (Hope you aren't fixated on my ass?
No, no. I'm a breast man, myself, specializing in the ogling of
attractive female breasts. Sorry!
> Your ambition is probably being
> cell mates with a Greek in a Turkish prison.)
Actually, it's not. But, tell me, from your experience, what does that
combination of nationalities do for you?
cheswick
> Angles don't have orbs. The MC is not an active agent, in the same
> sense as a planet. (You don't talk in terms of your MC square your
> Asc.) These are reactive points in the horoscope. It is the planet
> itself upon which the orb depends.
Yeah, sorry about that. I did mean the orb between the POF and a planet.
I am also from the same school that thinks there is no orb whatsoever
between two points. I might go futher to say that even if two points were
dead on exact there would still be no aspect. I say that because there is
not motion to a point. I think of it this way - two planets aspect trine
are like two people standing in the wheel. They turn their heads 120
degrees to view each other. It's not so much that they turned their heads
the 120 degrees, but that they turned their heads (thus motion). Since
points don't have an apparent motion (they aren't applying or seporating)
they make no effort to see each other.
Heh, I am argueing a point that you agree with so I will shut up :)
Thanks for the reply.
Chezzy
cheswick
> Hi,
> In a natal chart 3 degrees only is the orb I use with the Arabian
> parts, one degree in transit.
Thats what I was after.
> Your one degree square to the MC ( if it is correct, MC ) would
> translate as an inability for your bosses in your working environment to
> assertion your worth and would often cause you to be overlooked in
> evaluations for promotions.
> Neptune would produce the confusion in their minds and those without
> that condition would recieve more consideration.
> House cusps are a static state of energy ( if correct ) and respond to
> all motion in a chart.
Nope, my Neptune is a good 4.75 degrees applying to my midheaven Square.
Mercury is 3 degrees trine.
Chezzy
cheswick
> John Reder wrote:
>
> >
> > 30 Minutes, Yes! My error. Optical Rectosis! Head so far up ass
> > couldn't see what I was saying!
>
> Better get a chisel. Your head's obviously been stuck there ever since
> you started posting here. The dried matter around your neck is not
> allowing anal egress.
>
> Why you ever shoved your head up your own ass is something we'd better
> skip.
>
> Butt thank you for explaining your recent behavior.
Wow, that was pretty un-provoked.
Chezzy
cheswick
In article <35325F...@ma.ultranet.com>, XXXj...@ultranet.com wrote:
> anonym™ wrote:
> >
> > John Reder wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > 30 Minutes, Yes! My error. Optical Rectosis! Head so far
up ass
> > > couldn't see what I was saying!
> >
> > Better get a chisel. Your head's obviously been stuck there ever since
> > you started posting here. The dried matter around your neck is not
> > allowing anal egress.
> >
> > Why you ever shoved your head up your own ass is something we'd better
> > skip.
> >
> > Butt thank you for explaining your recent behavior.
>
> Still ass fixated? One track mind and driving in reverse,
Virgin Boy!
> (Hope you aren't fixated on my ass? Your ambition is probably being
> cell mates with a Greek in a Turkish prison.)
Heh, thanks for the visual :)
Chezzy
cheswick
> John Reder wrote:
> > =
>
> > anonym=99 wrote:
> > >
> > > John Reder wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 30 Minutes, Yes! My error. Optical Rectosis! Head so fa=
> r up ass
> > > > couldn't see what I was saying!
> > >
> > > Better get a chisel. Your head's obviously been stuck there ever sinc=
> e
> > > you started posting here. The dried matter around your neck is not
> > > allowing anal egress.
> > >
> > > Why you ever shoved your head up your own ass is something we'd bette=
> r
> > > skip.
> > >
> > > Butt thank you for explaining your recent behavior.
> > =
>
> > Still ass fixated? =
>
>
> Are you? I would have left it alone, but since you volunteered the
> information that you'd gotten your head stuck up your ass, I thought I'd
> help you out!
>
> > One track mind and driving in reverse, Virgin Boy!
>
> That you are, Head Stuck Up Ass!
>
> > (Hope you aren't fixated on my ass? =
>
>
> No, no. I'm a breast man, myself, specializing in the ogling of
> attractive female breasts. Sorry!
>
> > Your ambition is probably being
> > cell mates with a Greek in a Turkish prison.)
>
> Actually, it's not. But, tell me, from your experience, what does that
> combination of nationalities do for you?
Hell if it were a greek female cutie in a turkish womens prison...well,
i'll try anything once :)
Chezzy
David G. Goggin
Well, in a fortunate coincidence, this answered a question I was
about to ask! I've always wondered why I had such a strong desire in
that area :-)
Thanks for posting!
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In article <3530D7...@ultranet.com>,
HeWhoGetsSlapped
Ok, I'm confused. In my Astrolog chart it displays my Part of Fortune at
10 Capricorn, in the 10th house...BUT when I print out the list of my
arabic parts it has the pof at 27 Gemini in the 3rd (conj merc). In the
list I have three arabicparts at 10Cap, one being the part of spirit but
NONE are th pof.
Analysis of my views, the 3rd House affair of learning and
intellectualism is my main interest. 10th..career? Well, in some ways it
is a concern of mine, though in an otherwordly sort of way, but perhaps
the 3rd house concern is due to the gemini/3rd house stellium..ah well
astrolog is strange..
bunbury
David
I have the "part of fortune" in the 25th degree of Pisces conjunct mars
in the same degree in the 6th house. Anyone care to comment on this to
exemplify any previous claims?
Dave
resolve to evolve,
evolve to resolve
szor...@gmail.com
> Question, how sensitive are the Arabian Parts orb wise? My POF (9th, Aqu)
> is exactly 4 degrees to my Midheaven(aqu), should I consider that a
> conjunction? Should I also consider it to be influencing my 10th house? Or
> is it for the most point a very tight orb?
>
> While I am at it, what about orbs to the MC? I have Neptune just under 5
> degrees Square to it, would anyone consider that?
>
> Working with the planets I use a pretty wide orb, but I haven't done too
> much work/studying with regard to the sensitive points of a chart. So I am
> curious as to what the majority thinks.
>
> All replys will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Chezzy