Neptune 1st and Compulsive liars:
anonym™
LWollenweb wrote:
>
> I have Neptune in the 1st house and I am not a compulsive liar.
Oh, suuuuuuuuure.
Bronze
The one configuration I've often found in the charts of compulsive
liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
found this to hold true?
Bronze
J. White
Gee, who's chart are we trying to curve fit now puppet? Well from my
vast research I can say that neptune in the ascendant indicates an
awareness of self and one's enviroment. It also makes Supermodels tear
off their clothes and beg you to do 'em 'till they're raw.
J. White
...ok, I made that last part up.
Thomas Seers
Bronze wrote:
>
> The one configuration I've often found in the charts of compulsive
> liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
> malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
> found this to hold true?
>
> Bronze
Well, Clinton has a Mars / Neptune in the 2nd house in the best liars
sign :). He proves it every day that he's the best.
I instruct my students when doing a chart for a person with Neptune in
the first to start their delineation in the 7th, for they see clearly
what everybody is. The fog on their mirror may clear when they reach the
first house.
Thomas
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Neptune in 1 allows the native to fantasize, and could be part of a liar's bag
of tricks. It is also found in show people, religious people, and medical
people. Bill Clinton's first house Neptune/Mars/Venus apparently runs away
with him in the sex department, and he has a great need to cover it up. In
horary astrology, we are told to jot down the time someone calls you on the
phone, if you distrust that person. Make a chart for the moment, and if
Neptune turns up near the asc, the caller is not telling the truth. Any Pisces
rising has the equivalent of Nept in first, since any ruler is always "there,"
in his home sign. Dealing with a Pisces rising is like standing on quicksand
if you ever have to work with one in business. Lord knows I have. Leah
David
Bronze,
I have noticed this in one case in particular and am now considering it
in another. I would hazzard a guess that, if this is true to the extent
you suggest, that it has to do with the inordinate receptivity which
this position confers which results in situations that only the most
moral of individuals would resist using whatever tactics to get out of,
hence a defensive posturing of sorts and altogether possibly quite
universal.
Dave
resolve to evolve,
evolve to resolve
David
Leah,
Some years ago, I would have loved to run into a woman with that combo
the pres has but, that aside, I do think that what you said regarding
Pisces rising is interesting but still subject to an evaluation of the
integrity in the rest of the chart. The "asc." is the "vehicle" to do
with what you wish and to act through and it is true that you have to
"act through" it but still, if someone refuses to use it in that way it
won't happen. What do you think?
David
Lynn,
Great info. A friend with neptune in 1 is coming over to spend the
night. She once acted in a movie and will enjoy this list and your
comments, unless she lies about it, that is. Noticed Woody and Aaron
both had legal problems recently.Lots to draw from this. Thanks,
C. B. Willis
Bronze (Bronz...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: The one configuration I've often found in the charts of compulsive
: liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
: malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
: found this to hold true?
What you say MAY be true, I haven't done the research. But the converse
is not true - it's not true that if you have a 1st house Neptune, then
you're a compulsive liar.
The problem is, everyone's got a Neptune somewhere. :-)
There is at least one place where a person is not fully telling the truth
to himself or others. We can start with substances (alcohol, smoking,
caffeine, foods, beverages, etc), romance and sex, fantasies and other
unrealistic expectations, gambling, mood altering, workaholism,
abusiveness, the list goes on and on. Most people will have plenty to
work on in themselves, regardless of Neptune house position, without
having to point fingers at others.
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>From: cbwi...@netcom.com (C. B. Willis)
>t's not true that if you have a 1st house Neptune, then
>you're a compulsive liar.
>
>The problem is, everyone's got a Neptune somewhere. :-)
>There is at least one place where a person is not fully telling the truth
>to himself or others.
Well if Neptune falls between conjoins a house cusp would there be *two* places
that Neptune might be expressed?
Best,
Lili
DLS
Bronze <Bronz...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<358D3A...@hotmail.com>...
> The one configuration I've often found in the charts of compulsive
> liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
> malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
> found this to hold true?
>
We have to remember of course that Neptune in the 1st has many different
keywords.
A higher form of "lying" is fiction writing. Same with acting (assuming a
fictional identity). Music, poetry, and dance are Neptune's gifts, so a
rising Neptune if constructively applied could bring prominence in these
fields.
One maxim applies to the heavy planets when they're prominent in a chart:
the person needs to actively choose a positive way to express the planets'
powerful transpersonal energies. Without that, they can easily fall prey
to the negative manifestations of the planet. In other words, you'd better
choose the high road, 'cause the low road is steep.
Just for curiosity's sake, these are all of the names I found when I
searched Solar Fire's "Clifford" birth database for Neptune in the 1st.
Those with a (+) had Neptune conjunct asc., those with a (-) had Neptune
within three degrees of house 2. Looking down the following list, you may
notice some whose integrity is well thought of, but are in some way
associated with scandal, fraud, or drugs.
Create fiction:
Alex Haley
Victor Hugo
+Christopher Isherwood
+Aaron Spelling
Woody Allen
John Cleese
Music/dance/poetry:
Martha Graham
+Maya Angelou
Acting
Dorothy Dandridge
Marilyn Monroe
River Phoenix
Kathy Bates
Jean-Claude VanDamme
+Gates McFadden
Sissy Spacek
Cybill Shepherd
-Nigel Havers
Denzel Washington
Debra Winger
Music
-Willie Nelson
Placido Domingo
-Paul Simon
+Paul McCartney
Kim Carnes
-Dolly Parton
Cat Stevens
-Olivia Newton-John
Paula Abdul
+Angus Young
Other:
+Bill Clinton, 'nuff said
Alan Whicker, tv host (I've never heard of him before)
Kitty Kelley, biographer (it's said by some that she creates fiction) ;^)
Jeffrey Dahmer, famous criminal
Rory Bremner, impressionist
Claudia Schiffer, model
Several of these people have the Mars conjunction you spoke of, including
Cat Stevens, Cybill Shepherd, Willie Nelson, and Alex Haley.
Lynn
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Bronze <Bronz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
*The one configuration I've often found in the charts of compulsive
*liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
*malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
*found this to hold true?
*
* Bronze
Pete comments: Bronze, no, I haven't noticed this relationship.
Although I must admit I don't have much data on complusive
liars other than that published by Ann Sherman of the septic
cultists who participated in her study.
Neptune does create ebulence. However, it also gives the
ability to become someone else. It is also true that
netunians are the source of our great psychics and
great tropical housologists. So maybe there is a problem
of knowing reality with this group.
Regards, Pete
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Thomas Seers <bel...@acelink.net> wrote:
*Bronze wrote:
*>
*> The one configuration I've often found in the charts of compulsive
*> liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
*> malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
*> found this to hold true?
*>
*> Bronze
*
*Well, Clinton has a Mars / Neptune in the 2nd house in the best liars
*sign :). He proves it every day that he's the best.
*I instruct my students when doing a chart for a person with Neptune in
*the first to start their delineation in the 7th, for they see clearly
*what everybody is. The fog on their mirror may clear when they reach the
*first house.
* Thomas
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*
pete comments: I don't think you need neptune
in the first to find a compulsive liar -
to my knowledge - tomas sears doesn't have
a first house neptune. Yet, he was perfectly
capable of ripping off the lady with cancer
posting on prodigy. she asked if her chart
showed her cancer would get better - tomas
sears took $125 of her money and told her
she had cancer. Wouldn't refund themoney
and then lied about it on Prodigy.
Thomas sears is about as qualified to post
about our GREAT PRESIDENT CLINTION AS
he is to call himself an astrologer. tomas
sears is a rip off charlatan - he even
hustles cells salts to the unwary.
I know I should praise tomas sears
in public like this - but one has
to tell of the good side of others
on occassion.
Pete
J. White
Pete Stapleton wrote:
> *The one configuration I've often found in the charts of compulsive
> *liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
> *malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
> *found this to hold true?
> *
> * Bronze
>
> Pete comments: Bronze, no, I haven't noticed this relationship.
> Although I must admit I don't have much data on complusive
> liars...snip
Study your own chart.
J. White
Pete Sucks
Marsha
J. White wrote:
>
> Pete Stapleton wrote:
>
> > *The one configuration I've often found in the charts of compulsive
> > *liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
> > *malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
> > *found this to hold true?
> > *
> > * Bronze
A Leo I know has Neptune in 1 (Trine Mars/Jupiter in 9). He used to
meet girls at parties, etc. by speaking English in accents from other
countries--French, Irish....and would make up stories about his life
there. Two years after meeting him and finding out who he really was,
one was quite surprised to find out that he did not have a potato farm
in Ireland.
He's also extrememly creative in many areas especially music.
Marsha
Thomas Seers
> *> liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
> *> malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
> *> found this to hold true?
> *>
> *> Bronze
I would think you would give the Name and phone number of this person so
others could check for themselves, just think of the bandwagon of
support you could muster. Based on your track record ( carnival barker )
I don't think much of what you have to say will go very far:).
Your song: " Gypsies ( wheels ), Tramps ( spokes ) and Thieves ( rims )
you play it often I see. How about giving your real name and police
record, that would be much more interesting for all. Living with a
lawyer I'll bet saves you a lot of money :).
When Tweetie tweets, Sweetie is sure to follow.
Marsha
Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:33:35 -0500, Marsha <sharma!@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> { J. White wrote:
> { >
> { > Pete Stapleton wrote:
> { >
> { > > *liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
> { > > *malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
> { > > *found this to hold true?
> { > > *
> { > > * Bronze
> {
> {
> { A Leo I know has Neptune in 1 (Trine Mars/Jupiter in 9). He used to
> { meet girls at parties, etc. by speaking English in accents from other
> { countries--French, Irish....and would make up stories about his life
> { there. Two years after meeting him and finding out who he really was,
> { one was quite surprised to find out that he did not have a potato farm
> { in Ireland.
> {
> { He's also extrememly creative in many areas especially music.
>
> Did you find out before or after you slept with him? Either way, it looks
> like his tactics worked at least once and had absolutly nothing to do with
> astrology.
Wasn't me. And yes, it worked every time according to him. They were
married last year. Only those that know enough astrology would be able
to see the connection--basically anyone who read this thread could see
one connection, anyway.
J. White
J. White nor Peat ever wrote:
> > > *The one configuration I've often found in the charts of compulsive
> > > *liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
> > > *malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
> > > *found this to hold true?
> > > *
> > > * Bronze
Learn to use your newsreader.
J. White
Scorpio Rising
LWollenweb
Orion
My, my... you don't say.
Mr. Thomas Seers taughts us at the Carroll Righter Astrological
Foundation in Hollywood, CA of what Neptune stands for. As Mr. Seers
sez if you don't believe it do the research. My research found on
Neptune is true. Mr. Seers stated: with Neptune in the First House of a
chart: "Lie to me... I love it!" Mr. Seers rectified chart of the USA
also holds true for Neptune seats right smack on our first house... I
can see why our governent always denies of any wrongs or hides the truth
from the citizens.
Yessssireee. " Lie to me I Love it." As Mr. Seers sezs with Neptune in
the first house.
Keera A. Fox
Orion <ni...@jps.net> wrote:
> My, my... you don't say.
>
> Mr. Thomas Seers taughts us at the Carroll Righter Astrological
> Foundation in Hollywood, CA of what Neptune stands for. As Mr. Seers
> sez if you don't believe it do the research. My research found on
> Neptune is true. Mr. Seers stated: with Neptune in the First House of a
> chart: "Lie to me... I love it!" Mr. Seers rectified chart of the USA
> also holds true for Neptune seats right smack on our first house... I
> can see why our governent always denies of any wrongs or hides the truth
> from the citizens.
>
> Yessssireee. " Lie to me I Love it." As Mr. Seers sezs with Neptune in
> the first house.
>
Is the US the only country you are familiar with? I mean, what
government *doesn't* overspend, cover-up, deny, lie or do the exact
opposite of what its voters asked? :-)
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Orion
Hi Keera,
I did my research on indivials whose charts are of famous persons and it was
most interesting to find how some of them got their position in life. I
didn't do the the rest of the charts on OTHER countries for I truly might not
recieve the right info. So I stuck to charts of famous and the regular
persons. It was indeed interesting and now I can understand why there is a
tendecy to lie and denie the truth. So you can BLAME it on the Stars as Mr.
Thomas Seers sez. Neptune was position in the first house to do the Karma
thing ... face the truth
As you can see with Clinton for example if had told the truth about Lewinsky
and not lie it would have been over. But Neptune proves true of what Mr.
Seers sez "Lie to me I love it".
Ah but I have not revealed all that Neptune states if you have Neptune in the
first house. Guess you have to ask Mr. Seers or take his astrology classes.
<G>
Good luck. Caio
Blacktech
Well, as someone with a Mars-Neptune Scorpio conjunction in the first house,
I'm finding this discussion interesting. I, my mother, and my writing partner
all have Neptune in the first house, and I can tell you from experience we do
not like to be lied to. In fact, Neptune in this position graces one with such
sensitivity that one can sense the truth, even in the face of a blatant lie.
Neptune opens one up on so many levels that the main difficulty is
over-sensitivity and confusion if poorly managed. Otherwise, it can lend great
psychic ability and creativity, a direct line to the Muses. :-)
Blessings,
Maria
Edmond Wollmann
In article <358D3A...@hotmail.com>,
Bronz...@hotmail.com wrote:
> The one configuration I've often found in the charts of compulsive
> liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
> malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
> found this to hold true?
> Bronze
No one can determine the positive or negative expression of a planetary
position simply by these two factors. We must delineate the entire chart's law
of momentum flow and analyze the positive and negative aspect patterns and
networks as well.
Because the "All that Is" is the unbroken wholeness of all that exists-it
is a "sea" of consciousness.
As an identity we create the idea that the identity we are is ALL we
are, and in a sense, by definition (Aries and Mars) cut ourselves off
from the awareness of this unbroken wholeness-note I say awareness,
because we can never truly break our interconnectedness to the "All That
Is"-only our awareness OF this connection.
Time, space and specificity are the TRUE illusion in an unbroken
wholeness that exists everywhere all at once. We have played the game of
"forgetting" that we are the reality we "apparently" exist within.
The water and the fish are ASPECTS, FACETS of the ocean-but the ocean
(Poseidon) none the less.
Negative energy remember is separating, limiting, constrictive,
segregating.
Positive is unifying, inclusive, expansive UNlimiting.
When perceived or experienced negatively (through insisting that you you
are is all you are) Neptune, through reflective effect of the energy put
in, invites effects such as confusion, illusion, escapism. These are the
EFFECTS of approaching the "sea" and viewing the sea as being dangerous
and threatening to the identity-that it will DIS-solve and end in the
dissolution and non-existence of the you you choose to be.
When we recognize that by including greater realities and greater
aspects of the self- a positive approach to Neptune-we need not fear
this "ocean" of greater aspects of the self and can then allow these
greater aspects that we are to CO-FUSE with, instead of con-fusing the
self that we are.
If we believe that we will "lose" something by incorporating and
co-fusing these larger concepts and realities, it is because of the
insecurity with the self and its rightful experience of validity just
because it exists.
If we believe that we are a part of this unbroken wholeness-this "sea"
of "All That Is" and that it must have known what it was doing when it
extended us and created us INTO the sea as one of the FACETS of it-then
there is no reason to fear dis-solution and we can know that the
abundance of the Multiverse is ours to co-fuse and have access to -to
support the facet that we are of it-this is the positive aspect of
Neptune.
And rightly so as the higher octave of Venus, the "support" of Neptune
extends to the unseen support as well as the seen.
Therefore, simply recognize that it is always a choice in creation HOW
we will experience the Ocean, the sea-
It can cleanse the toxins of belief in separateness through co-fusion-
or threaten the self as the EFFECT of the insecurities it creates of its
own existence-
One=reality
and one=illusion
We can drown or use this sea to transport and co-fuse the self we are
across the sea of the more expanded self we are.
Saturn=focused dream.
Neptune=expanded dream.
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and the browns, reds, and golds of autumn lie in
the gutter, dead.
Remember then the summer birds with wings of fire
flaying come to witness springs new hope,
born of leaves decaying.
As new life will come through death, love will come
at leisure, love of love, love of life and giving,
without measure gives in return the wondrous yearn
for promise, almost seen.
Live hand in hand, and together we'll stand
on the threshold of a dream.
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Keera A. Fox
Orion <ni...@jps.net> wrote:
You mean you treat mundane charts the same way you treat natal? Are you
sure you are quoting your teacher correctly - and in the right context?
And you missed my point: The behavior of the US government is not unique
for that government, but is actually acted out by many governments all
over the world.
anonym™
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
> In article <358D3A...@hotmail.com>,
> Bronz...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > The one configuration I've often found in the charts of compulsive
> > liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
> > malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
> > found this to hold true?
>
> > Bronze
>
> No one can determine the positive or negative expression of a planetary
Oh, you're full of horse crap.
Orion
Keera:
I hear what you say about other countries charts but as you can see my hands are
full with just the USA... As Mr. Seers pointed out of the lies... begin with the
broken treaties to the American Indians and it is still to date... with the removal
of federal funds so now they starve and I am sure the government has something to
do with the introduction of CRACK to the reservations. Good way to remove them
with out the necessity to take over the few lands they hold. The Persian war
exposed our military to bacteria and germs... Our government denies anything...
by the way we were in Mr. Seers astrology Class and The chart was drawn 6 deg virgo
rising when it happened ... The war was going to be quick but many military
people will die and so it did come to pass as Mr. Seers stated that evening... They
are dying slowly and have passed the germs on to their families and even their
pets. The majority of the citizens believe what our government presents to them.
(Lie to me I love it.) Neptune in the first house of the USA.
It's interesting that we are mentioning the USA on a Cancer moon... USA is cancer.
Hmmm. Interesting that Clifton is leaving to visit China (Cancer). Brrrrrr The
money accepted for his campaign from China is paying off. (Money talks bullshit
walks). Clinton's Neptune in the 2nd hse of his natal chart.
As Mr. Thomas Seers sez: "LIE TO ME I LOVE IT"
Cool. Caio.
Keera A. Fox
Orion <ni...@jps.net> wrote:
> Keera:
>
> I hear what you say about other countries charts but as you can see my
> hands are
I never mentioned nations' *charts*. I'm talking about *living* in other
countries than the US.
> full with just the USA... As Mr. Seers pointed out of the lies... begin
> with the broken treaties to the American Indians and it is still to
> date... with the removal of federal funds so now they starve and I am sure
> the government has something to do with the introduction of CRACK to the
> reservations. Good way to remove them with out the necessity to take over
> the few lands they hold. The Persian war
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Native Americans wards of the
federal government, living on federal land reserved for that use? Why
take over something that's already yours?
> exposed our military to bacteria and germs... Our government denies
> anything... by the way we were in Mr. Seers astrology Class and The chart
> was drawn 6 deg virgo rising when it happened ... The war was going to
> be quick but many military people will die and so it did come to pass as
> Mr. Seers stated that evening... They are dying slowly and have passed the
> germs on to their families and even their pets. The majority of the
> citizens believe what our government presents to them. (Lie to me I love
> it.) Neptune in the first house of the USA.
>
Most people in our neck of the world do trust their governments, having
elected them, and that trust is relatively harmless. It's also harmless
to disagree with said governments. After all, nobody comes to your house
at night, drags you out in the nude, hauls you off to a prison cell,
beats you for 3 days running till you're dead and then dumps you in a
mass grave, right? Be grateful. That *is* somebody's reality somewhere
on this planet.
> It's interesting that we are mentioning the USA on a Cancer moon... USA is
> cancer. Hmmm. Interesting that Clifton is leaving to visit China (Cancer).
> Brrrrrr The money accepted for his campaign from China is paying off.
> (Money talks bullshit walks). Clinton's Neptune in the 2nd hse of his
> natal chart.
>
> As Mr. Thomas Seers sez: "LIE TO ME I LOVE IT"
>
> Cool. Caio.
>
Norway's chart, erected for the signing of its constitution (as a
nation, N. has "always" existed so there is no Independence Day; we
celebrate Constitution Day) shows Libra rising and Neptune in the 3rd. I
did not refer to this chart when I first answered you. Just living here,
listening to the news, talking to people, and also having travelled
abroad, is enough to tell me that *all* governments have skeletons in
their closet. In Norway's case, last year wrapped up a scandal involving
our own Secret Service spying on ordinary citizens who happened to have
travelled to East-block countries (and this in a nation with 3 communist
parties :-) ). Norway has until fairly recently suppressed the rights of
its Same (Lapplanders; our equivalent to Native Americans). Our military
tried to cover up the facts around an avalanche that killed several
young soldiers, and our government is trying to play down the cases of
PTSD suffered by soldiers who have served in the UN forces in Lebanon.
WWII still haunts us in several ways; f.ex. my grandfather served in the
merchant marines during that war and neither he nor any other of his
fellow sailors ever got their full pay. Portions of their wages were
held by their government until the war ended, and then the government
quietly refused to pay it out. (Sherilyn may have heard of Nortraship.)
To this day, no one knows exactly where the millions of kroner went, but
Norway was the only country that did *not* need economic aid at the end
of the war.
I can post Norway's chart here if anyone wants to take a look. Thomas,
perhaps? I think there is another chart, too, for the country, just like
there are three different charts (different rising signs) for the US.
Not all can have a 1st house Neptune. :-)
Tell me the truth. I'd love that.
brigettebardot
My mom has Neptune almost exactly conjunct her 10th house (off by 2.) Very
much afraid of what other people are going to think. She reads books on
social class all the time, trying hard to emulate the upper class.
Pete Stapleton <pete...@c-zone.net> wrote in article
<358e1199...@news.earthlink.net>...
Stacy D Stinson
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Native Americans wards of the
>federal government, living on federal land reserved for that use? Why
>take over something that's already yours?
It is my understanding that the situation of the reservations are similar to
the homelands set up in South Africa, that they are islands of sovereignty
supposedly allowing for "self-rule", hence not really (by definition) under
Federal jurisdiction.
I was not raised on a reservation, my great-grandparents choosing instead to
blend into the mainstream culture to avoid the genocidal persecution of
those choosing to remain culturally detached. However, the illusion
(Neptune) belies the fact that we are indeed wards of the state, and though
the legal definition of the reservation may contain the wording of autonomy,
the truth is closer to your definition.
Sorry, I just had to get that of my chest. Aa ho
Keera A. Fox
Quite alright. I appreciate the feed-back. In filling out forms for an
overseas absentee ballot, I discovered that Native Americans, as
residents of a *federal* reservation, have the right to vote only for
president, like we expatriates do (military a whole nother matter). I.e.
they're not considered residents of the state the reservation is in.
And yes, when apartheid was going full steam and someone wanted to know
why the US didn't boycot South Africa (like Norway did), I'd just smile
and say, "the US tries not to be a hypocrite." :-)
Sher...@my-dejanews.com
In article <1db5elk.1w1...@ti21a38-0001.dialup.online.no>,
kafox@no_spam.online.no (Keera A. Fox) wrote:
>
...
>
> WWII still haunts us in several ways; f.ex. my grandfather served in the
> merchant marines during that war and neither he nor any other of his
> fellow sailors ever got their full pay. Portions of their wages were
> held by their government until the war ended, and then the government
> quietly refused to pay it out. (Sherilyn may have heard of Nortraship.)
Alas, no, in Britain we know very little about Norway except cold,
Vikings (some kings and would-be-kings of England were Norwegian), fjords,
Quisling, the Christmas tree in Trafalgar Square, a Beatles song called
Norwegian Wood, and that guy who became a cult hero in Britain for getting
exactly zero points in the Eurovision Song Contest. We don't live on an
island for nothing, you know. :)
> To this day, no one knows exactly where the millions of kroner went, but
> Norway was the only country that did *not* need economic aid at the end
> of the war.
>
Maybe they spent the money on singing lessons.
--
Sherilyn
Keera A. Fox
<Sher...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> In article <1db5elk.1w1...@ti21a38-0001.dialup.online.no>,
> kafox@no_spam.online.no (Keera A. Fox) wrote:
> >
> ...
> >
> > WWII still haunts us in several ways; f.ex. my grandfather served in the
> > merchant marines during that war and neither he nor any other of his
> > fellow sailors ever got their full pay. Portions of their wages were
> > held by their government until the war ended, and then the government
> > quietly refused to pay it out. (Sherilyn may have heard of Nortraship.)
>
> Alas, no, in Britain we know very little about Norway except cold,
> Vikings (some kings and would-be-kings of England were Norwegian), fjords,
> Quisling, the Christmas tree in Trafalgar Square, a Beatles song called
> Norwegian Wood, and that guy who became a cult hero in Britain for getting
> exactly zero points in the Eurovision Song Contest. We don't live on an
> island for nothing, you know. :)
>
What? You missed out on one of our ministers calling one of your
ministers a "drittsekk" (shitbag)? I understand the British papers had
weeks of fun with that linguistic tidbit.
> > To this day, no one knows exactly where the millions of kroner went, but
> > Norway was the only country that did *not* need economic aid at the end
> > of the war.
> >
> Maybe they spent the money on singing lessons.
ROTFLOL!!!! D'you know the guy is still at it sans skeleton costume?
ObAstrology: The famous "Mile After Mile" = nil after nil is a Libran.
Don't know the sign of our "drittsekk" minister.
Paul Rumelhart
Edmond Wollmann wrote in message <6mrc4e$q08$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <358D3A...@hotmail.com>,
> Bronz...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> The one configuration I've often found in the charts of compulsive
>> liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
>> malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
>> found this to hold true?
>
>> Bronze
>
>No one can determine the positive or negative expression of a planetary
>position simply by these two factors. We must delineate the entire chart's
law
>of momentum flow and analyze the positive and negative aspect patterns and
>networks as well.
>
>Because the "All that Is" is the unbroken wholeness of all that exists-it
>is a "sea" of consciousness.
>
>As an identity we create the idea that the identity we are is ALL we
>are, and in a sense, by definition (Aries and Mars) cut ourselves off
>from the awareness of this unbroken wholeness-note I say awareness,
>because we can never truly break our interconnectedness to the "All That
>Is"-only our awareness OF this connection.
>
If one's reality is created by their fundamental beliefs, and they believe
that this is utter hogwash on a very fundamental level, does that mean that
they are right?
Paul Rumelhart
Stacy D Stinson
>If one's reality is created by their fundamental beliefs, and they believe
>that this is utter hogwash on a very fundamental level, does that mean that
>they are right?
>
>Paul Rumelhart
In their own mind, yes, they would be write! (Sorry, couldn't resist)
anonym™
Crummy Scrimshaw Chiclets, standing in a row,
In a biker bar brawl, they'll be the first to go.
Next will be those scabby knees, and then the tender fingers,
But Ed will explain to them why, if anybody lingers.
But that's not likely, ask me why?
I'll tell you 'cause I know.
They've finished up, they spent their load, when they got Ed to blow.
But the barkeep, he might say, Je-SUS!, what a stupid DICK, Let's
help this poor fool pick up those bloody
Crummy Scrimshaw Chiclets.
Pete Stapleton
Orion <ni...@jps.net> wrote:
*My, my... you don't say.
*
*Mr. Thomas Seers taughts us at the Carroll Righter Astrological
*Foundation in Hollywood, CA of what Neptune stands for. As Mr. Seers
*sez if you don't believe it do the research. My research found on
*Neptune is true. Mr. Seers stated: with Neptune in the First House of a
*chart: "Lie to me... I love it!" Mr. Seers rectified chart of the USA
*also holds true for Neptune seats right smack on our first house... I
*can see why our governent always denies of any wrongs or hides the truth
*from the citizens.
*
*Yessssireee. " Lie to me I Love it." As Mr. Seers sezs with Neptune in
*the first house.
*
*
*
*LWollenweb wrote:
*
*> I have Neptune in the 1st house and I am not a compulsive liar.
*
*
*
Pete comments: and of course Carrol Richter died in 1938.
thomas sears rips off cancer patients in the name of
astrology.
Bob Officer
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Native Americans wards of the
>federal government, living on federal land reserved for that use? Why
>take over something that's already yours?
You are 100% Wrong... Native tribes reservations are/were until a few
years ago sovereign nations. NAs didn't hold US citizenship until
about 1920. It was never theirs... It was and is property of a native
people held by invaders.
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Edmond Wollmann
Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> Edmond Wollmann wrote in message <6mrc4e$q08$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >In article <358D3A...@hotmail.com>,
> > Bronz...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> The one configuration I've often found in the charts of compulsive
> >> liars is a first house neptune. The lying seems to be particularly
> >> malicious when Mars is close at hand. Have any other astrologer's
> >> found this to hold true?
> >> Bronze
> >No one can determine the positive or negative expression of a planetary
> >position simply by these two factors. We must delineate the entire chart's
> law
> >of momentum flow and analyze the positive and negative aspect patterns and
> >networks as well.
> >Because the "All that Is" is the unbroken wholeness of all that exists-it
> >is a "sea" of consciousness.
> >As an identity we create the idea that the identity we are is ALL we
> >are, and in a sense, by definition (Aries and Mars) cut ourselves off
> >from the awareness of this unbroken wholeness-note I say awareness,
> >because we can never truly break our interconnectedness to the "All That
> >Is"-only our awareness OF this connection.
> If one's reality is created by their fundamental beliefs, and they believe
> that this is utter hogwash on a very fundamental level, does that mean that
> they are right?
It means they will create a negative reinforcing reality-just like you
do. Every system of belief has its own reinforcing logic.
--
Belief system="This will be one of the aspects that creates your
artificial construct personality. It will be one of the cornerstones of
the prism of personality. The other two will be emotion and thought. It
is what is responsible for the methodology, along with the other two
ideas, of how you choose to exercise your physiological mental free will
in giving yourself the type of approach to your life that you do. It
will be responsible for the creation of your physical reality and the
reflection of that reality through your physical senses back to your
mentality."
Reality= "Will simply be an idea being expressed and experienced."
Bashar Darryl Anka, "The New Metaphysics", Light and Sound
Communications, Beverly Hills CA., 1987
Moshe Berlin
with Neptune in the first house, ie:. Sun or Moon square Neptune.
I don't think that Neptune in first by itself makes a compulsive liar.
Can you go over your files again and let me know? I'd be interested to see what
you find.
Moshe
Edmond Wollmann
> Maybe the compusive liars are people with a major light in a difficult aspect
> with Neptune in the first house, ie:. Sun or Moon square Neptune.
> I don't think that Neptune in first by itself makes a compulsive liar.
> Can you go over your files again and let me know? I'd be interested to see what
> you find.
> Moshe
NO PLANETARY aspect -pattern or otherwise MAKES anyone anything. The
free will of the physical self can choose the negative or positive
expression of ANYTHING at any time.
This is why these negites who keep saying philosophy is "silly" or some
such non-sense are ILL EQUIPPED to do ANYTHING with ANYTHING they MAY be
able to glean from a horoscope OR psychological analysis-because it is
not what we have, or the tool we use-it is WHAT WE DO WITH IT, that
determines the effect extracted.
Therefore, placing the power with the configuration rather than the
being who creates the reality-is fallacious-a defect in a premise, and
the knowledge-whatever it might be-is rendered USELESS.
I hope this explains it a little better.
> > > >> Bronze
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