Happy Birthday, Pedantus (July 26)
Beep
Pam
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Keera Ann Fox
> I hope you have a great day and a wonderful year :)
Happy Birthday, Roger!
--
****** Keera in Norway ******
* Think big. Shrink to fit. *
http://home.online.no/~kafox
Pedantus
"Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbigs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Beep <googl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I hope you have a great day and a wonderful year :)
>
> Happy Birthday, Roger!
Thank you, Pam, Keera...:)
Pedantus
"Bob Officer" <bobof...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:26:35 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbigs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:1fyll80.w5nqqc1n2o0rwN%thinkbigs...@yahoo.com...
> >> Beep <googl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I hope you have a great day and a wonderful year :)
> >>
> >> Happy Birthday, Roger!
> >
> > Thank you, Pam, Keera...:)
>
>
> I hope you get caught up on your chores around the house and have a nice
> summer fall riding.
Heh, seems I'll do anything to get out of the house painting job, including
trying a watercolot painting/caricature of my daughter. (Note it was
intended to be more cartoon than it is--guess it kinda looks like an
impressionist's Tarot card ...:)
http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Mona_Lori_02b.gif
>
> I found a great way to lose a few pounds. I have been riding my mountain
> bike around the mountains. The 7-8000
I'm sure Harris Hill Glider Feild at 1700 feet would take 30 lbs off my
wife...I'm trying my level best to get her addicted...:)
feet seems to make any work done burn
> at least twice as many calories. I have dropped 10 pounds of excess weight
> in the last 6 weeks, added to the 10 I lost since February, puts me at
178,
> the lightest I have been since 1993... :)
>
>
> --
> Bob Officer
> "Now that Saturn has come full circle since I first started to
> investigate astrology, I see that the successful predictions I had come
> to expect during my romantic wizard's apprentice years in the 70's are
> by hindsight a self deception; that my astrological enlightenment is/was
> pretty much like the play of shadows, distorted reflections,
> refractions, shifted *light* fooling my mind's eye...like the fish I
> image that I see in the obscured limits of my feild of vision while fly
> fishing. It seems more evident everyday that simply desiring a
> perception can just plain make it manifest." Roger-Pedantus-Satterlee
Thanks, Bob...:)
(You sure stock some pretty great sig material! I didn't know who it was
that I was reading until I got to the fly fishing part: I was
thinking--"Geesh, that Bob writes the way I want too--damn, .....its
*me*?...LOL)
Leonine-ly yours,
Rog
Keera Ann Fox
> Heh, seems I'll do anything to get out of the house painting job, including
> trying a watercolot painting/caricature of my daughter. (Note it was
> intended to be more cartoon than it is--guess it kinda looks like an
> impressionist's Tarot card ...:)
Good description. :-)
> http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Mona_Lori_02b.gif
I like it. I noticed you said on the other froup that your daughter is
Sag Sun/Asc and Aries Moon? She does look it. She has a very Arian brow.
Mars rising or in 1st? Other astrologers say that (or Mars ruling)
imparts red hair so I'm trying to verify that.
Pedantus
> Pedantus <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Heh, seems I'll do anything to get out of the house painting job,
including
> > trying a watercolot painting/caricature of my daughter. (Note it was
> > intended to be more cartoon than it is--guess it kinda looks like an
> > impressionist's Tarot card ...:)
>
> Good description. :-)
>
> > http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Mona_Lori_02b.gif
>
> I like it. I noticed you said on the other froup that your daughter is
> Sag Sun/Asc and Aries Moon? She does look it. She has a very Arian brow.
> Mars rising or in 1st? Other astrologers say that (or Mars ruling)
> imparts red hair so I'm trying to verify that.
I'm sorry, Keera, but the red hair is n erroneous product of the
compression routine, or ineptness on my part...it should be a light
brown/dirty blonde..:( The eye on the left is amateurish-ly too high but
their color is correct color. My mother's hair (and that of her four
leprechaun sisters) was the red color of this picture, that's why I let it
be I guess:
http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/b_satterlee.gif
Lori is the one who produced the very resonant -looking "personal island
kingdom" drawing at age 8. There's some kind of magic in that--I wanted to
capture a sense of that clear-eyed mystery by using theTarot card sort of
likeness.
http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Lori_s1.gif
http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/LORI_IS1.gif
http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Lori_Is2.
*Cheers*,
Rog...:)
Keera Ann Fox
> "Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbigs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1fynbw4.1n7ikzhpvwpwhN%thinkbigs...@yahoo.com...
> > Pedantus <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Heh, seems I'll do anything to get out of the house painting job,
> including
> > > trying a watercolot painting/caricature of my daughter. (Note it was
> > > intended to be more cartoon than it is--guess it kinda looks like an
> > > impressionist's Tarot card ...:)
> >
> > Good description. :-)
> >
> > > http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Mona_Lori_02b.gif
> >
> > I like it. I noticed you said on the other froup that your daughter is
> > Sag Sun/Asc and Aries Moon? She does look it. She has a very Arian brow.
> > Mars rising or in 1st? Other astrologers say that (or Mars ruling)
> > imparts red hair so I'm trying to verify that.
>
> I'm sorry, Keera, but the red hair is n erroneous product of the
> compression routine, or ineptness on my part...it should be a light
> brown/dirty blonde..:(
I see.
> The eye on the left is amateurish-ly too high but
> their color is correct color.
Lovely color!
> My mother's hair (and that of her four
> leprechaun sisters) was the red color of this picture, that's why I let it
> be I guess:
> http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/b_satterlee.gif
Whoo! That's a helluva chart! Saturn rising: She survived/s anything.
Nice sextiles. I'd guess she was the sort of mother who didn't mind
wading in the mud to find tadpoles with her son(s). Much more fun than
doing the dishes!
> Lori is the one who produced the very resonant -looking "personal island
> kingdom" drawing at age 8. There's some kind of magic in that--I wanted to
> capture a sense of that clear-eyed mystery by using theTarot card sort of
> likeness.
> http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Lori_s1.gif
She echoes her grandmother's Eastern Hemisphere dominant chart, but
flings out her Moon rather than the Uranus, but UR is still emphasized.
> http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/LORI_IS1.gif
LOL! She flung her Moon out on this one, too! It's like seeing her
chart! Neat!
> http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Lori_Is2.gif
Hrm. Rotate the drawing a little more clockwise, lining the Moons up.
Then the upper red house lines up with Mars, and the mountain (Saturn)
and Greek (making me think of Zeus -> Jupiter) structure (Saturn) line
up with JU/SA/PL. That would have Uranus explaining the palm trees. :-)
Had she seen her chart when she did this?
BTW, where are her Nodes?
> *Cheers*,
Salud!
Pedantus
Well, think about all the negative posibilities, and save me the unplesant
exposition. I think her only fun was folk dancing.
>
> > Lori is the one who produced the very resonant -looking "personal
island
> > kingdom" drawing at age 8. There's some kind of magic in that--I wanted
to
> > capture a sense of that clear-eyed mystery by using theTarot card sort
of
> > likeness.
> > http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Lori_s1.gif
>
> She echoes her grandmother's Eastern Hemisphere dominant chart, but
> flings out her Moon rather than the Uranus, but UR is still emphasized.
>
> > http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/LORI_IS1.gif
>
> LOL! She flung her Moon out on this one, too! It's like seeing her
> chart! Neat!
>
> > http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Lori_Is2.gif
You think thats neat, wait till you she the chart of her favorite
(simpatico?) painter:
http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/waterhou.gif (birth time unknown..:(
http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/shalotte_01.gif
(paste geocities links in browser manually)
The Moon projected as "boat" is very common in the arts...here, black and
doomed-seeming, we see the expression of Moon opposite Saturn ala
Waterhouse..and recognize the feeling tone that attracts my daughter to the
image seem a matter of natal chart similarities concerning certain focal
planets and their aspects.
>
> Hrm. Rotate the drawing a little more clockwise, lining the Moons up.
> Then the upper red house lines up with Mars, and the mountain (Saturn)
> and Greek (making me think of Zeus -> Jupiter) structure (Saturn) line
> up with JU/SA/PL. That would have Uranus explaining the palm trees. :-)
When I tried to understand the red house not being a consistant-seeming
Mars pointer, I had to ask how it came to be where it is. Lori said she
rotoated the paper to draw it...this I assume resets the horoscopic
perspective. Thus, all expressive works now seem to me as though composed in
separate parts-each a kind of attempted whole within a whole inaccordance to
the temporary localized focus of the creators mind.
>
> Had she seen her chart when she did this?
No...so, imagine my excitement at that time...a tad too much I'm affraid,
it doesn't really pass.
>
> BTW, where are her Nodes?
Sorry, I haven't paid them any attention. I have only sought the more
blantant seeming parallels of projected symbolisms. Like this, for one
example: (see if you can find anything pointing to Mars....:)
http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/farley01.gif
http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/farley_02a.gif
http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/farley03.gif
I love the way the conjunction of Mercury and Sun are projected in this
example...:)
>
> > *Cheers*,
>
> Salud!
>
> --
> ****** Keera in Norway ******
> * Think big. Shrink to fit. *
> http://home.online.no/~kafox
Rog
Pedantus
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:50:00 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> isn't up to the off road part yet, but we are working on it. I
> hiked/road once to 9000 feet. the ride downhill was a hoot...
Flying a bicycle is too dangerous for me, Bob...:)
>
> >feet seems to make any work done burn
> >> at least twice as many calories. I have dropped 10 pounds of excess
weight
> >> in the last 6 weeks, added to the 10 I lost since February, puts me at
> >178,
> >> the lightest I have been since 1993... :)
I weighed that much once...I had to stand a post 12 hours a day in a 7x7
guard shack and eat three or four homemade sub sandwiches everyday...:)
[..............]
>
> You remind me so much of my younger brothers, one early Leo and one
> late Leo...
Gawd, Virgo Hell...LOL
>
>
> --
> Aktohdi
Rog
el...@no.spam
Bob Officer <bobof...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>It wasn't that bad, the trail is well marked and you have to walk the hard
>parts going up. and most people end up walking them back down. :)
>Most of the train isn't that bad. :)
Train?
Pedantus
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:02:28 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>
[........]
> >>.........I hiked/road once to 9000 feet. the ride downhill was a
hoot...
> >
> > Flying a bicycle is too dangerous for me, Bob...:)
> >
> It wasn't that bad, the trail is well marked and you have to walk the hard
> parts going up. and most people end up walking them back down. :)
>
> Most of the train isn't that bad. :)
>
> Both hard turns put you into the mountain rather than off the side.
>
[.............]
If I had a photo, I'd do a toon of you; say, a T-shirt iron-on for your
wife to wear...LOL...:)
http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Shida_01a.jpg
(the sketch phase of one for my neighbor's kid)
> --
> Aktohdi
Rog
Pedantus
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:38:43 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bob Officer" <bobof...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:i634ivoabo9p3a021...@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:02:28 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> >> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >[........]
> >
> >> >>.........I hiked/road once to 9000 feet. the ride downhill was a
> >hoot...
> >> >
> >> > Flying a bicycle is too dangerous for me, Bob...:)
> >> >
> >> It wasn't that bad, the trail is well marked and you have to walk the
hard
> >> parts going up. and most people end up walking them back down. :)
> >>
> >>
>
> I fix the bad word up there....
>
> >> Both hard turns put you into the mountain rather than off the side.
> >>
> >[.............]
> >
> > If I had a photo, I'd do a toon of you; say, a T-shirt iron-on for
your
> >wife to wear...LOL...:)
> >http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Shida_01a.jpg
>
> did you every do an overlay of this drawing and my chart?
No, I didn't, and I'm not sure if my leg is being pulled here...:)
Oh, by the way I did actually manage to loose your chart, its prolly on the
dead hard drive....:(
>
>
>
>
> >(the sketch phase of one for my neighbor's kid)
>
> Wow... That's all I can say.
Good, I guess...<scathing head about the overlay thing>
>
>
> --
> Aktohdi
Rog...:)
Pedantus
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 00:04:40 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
[.....]
> >
> > Good, I guess...<scathing head about the overlay thing>
>
>
>
> Don't get hot about it.
What typo!...LOL "scratching head, " I meant to say...:)
>
>
> --
> Aktohdi
Keera Ann Fox
> Aug 28, 1952, 1:46am 121W25 37N44 PDT
Heh. Exactly 10 years older than my sister.
Pedantus
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:38:43 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bob Officer" <bobof...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:i634ivoabo9p3a021...@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:02:28 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> >> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> >
[.............]
> >
> > If I had a photo, I'd do a toon of you; say, a T-shirt iron-on for
your
> >wife to wear...LOL...:)
> >http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Shida_01a.jpg
>
> did you every do an overlay of this drawing and my chart?
>
>
>
>
>
Holy Cow!....:)
http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Bob_Shida_01a.gif
Talk about a mysterious coincidence: I'm glad this kind of stuff never
happens to Ed, or he'd have to strapped down in a sound proof cell....:)
My first wife was a Virgo, and we used to marvel at the way it seemed I
could project pictures and sounds into her mind...I thought she was just a
great telepathic receiver. Apparently you Virgos can project too!....:)
Rog
>
>
> --
> Aktohdi
Pedantus
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:03:44 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bob Officer" <bobof...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:3ge5ivg96o1bmpgdv...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:38:43 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> >> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Bob Officer" <bobof...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:i634ivoabo9p3a021...@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:02:28 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> >> >> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Bob_Shida_01a.gif
>
> What caught my eye was the Mars in Sag co-inciding with water pistol.
That pistol does look like a Moon/Mars conjunction
> and the back wheel setting over Venus in Virgo.
The pedal aligning with Sun
Any circular image is probably always tied to the Sun symbol notion, but
I haven't seen Venus projected that way as yet...so , I see back wheel as
Sun.
> and the front wheel off the ground Pluto and Mercury (often looking like I
> am out of control).
I find over the years that Pluto like Saturn resists projection in the
form of shapes... Mercury does show up as ;a blunted horn, or horns, or
antennae-looking thin, but this case looks like that front wheels seem more
invovled with Uranus.
The ice cream cone held like a scepter aligning with
> Jupiter.
Overflowing cup *is* Jupiter...:) In the past I have found Neptune to
be something "fluffy" Venus to be "sweet", the Moon to be white, cool, moist
>
>
>[.........]
>
> At least I see what you have been talking about, now for sure. Odd isn't
> it. you have both elements and never put them together.
[.........]
>
I've been told that both elements are restricted to the confines of my
warped perception...in away they may very well be...:) But now at least you
can ee the insanity that goes on in my possibly too receptive psyche...a
good birthday present in that...:)
> --
> Aktohdi
Rog
Pedantus
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 18:07:20 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bob Officer" <bobof...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:0v18ivsgsenusi8m7...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:03:44 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> >> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Bob Officer" <bobof...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:3ge5ivg96o1bmpgdv...@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:38:43 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> >> >> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Bob Officer" <bobof...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:i634ivoabo9p3a021...@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:02:28 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> >> >> >> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >[.....]
> I have always been a fan of your perceptions... Sometimes I had trouble
> understanding them, but I like reading about them.
>
> That IS what this group is about.
>
> I would like to see the Charts for the three (?) different people that
make
> up Nymie's persona chart.
>
> Then see if you have some drawing for them.
I'm confused by the strangeness of the proposition....:)
However I do like the power of simple things:
http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Ed_Falcon.gif
"Mars? I duhn't see no steenkeen Mars!"
And the Sun is not a circular object, nor for that matter is a large white
crescent the overbearing Moon of a lunatic....:)
>
>
> --
> Aktohdi
Rog
Keera Ann Fox
> http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Ed_Falcon.gif
Fascinating. The beak lines up with his Mars and Mercury. Hehehe...
Pedantus
> Pedantus <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Ed_Falcon.gif
>
> Fascinating. The beak lines up with his Mars and Mercury. Hehehe...
If, like Ed, we wish to see the integration of ".......art,
psychology, metaphysics, and pragmatism." we may pragmatically assume that
this rendering is indeed a personal totem. However, this symbolic object
has little personal significance without the context supplied by this
particular view of it, the generic associations of "Falcon" tell us very
little about one who would choose it as a surrogate Self, or alter ego.
Thus counselors routinely ask for specificity, "...what do you mean when you
say 'falcon' ?" Here it means that the flesh ripping beak points to natal
Mars; and, as you point out Keera, natal Mercury is successfully 'integrated
as a component of that part of the overall image. Perhaps the beak serves
equally well as a type of antenna both sensing and broadcasting certain
(11th House?) intentions.
Perhaps, out of sheer necessity, the psyche does indeed promote the
selection of images which attempt to communicate, like sign language, the
subtle blends of compound complex motivations and personal meanings.
Astrology and graphic arts are equally poor at this business of
communication from the perspective of the psyche. I see the individual natal
planets integrated here, as Ed insists his are (and everyone's are of
course).
For instance, Jupiter+Uranus is a flying thing that overflows the frame of
the view. The large white crescent tells us of how dominant the natal Moon
is. Neptune's fluffiness is central and pervasive like its focal t-square
position in the chart. Uranus finds itself expressed as the repetitive
stokes that are meant to indicate the presence of Neptune feathers, and in
the shape of the Moon's white crescent--this is the integration that Ed
feels. Unfortunately he seems not to understand that we all experience this
feeling of things coming together in our self 'metaphysically' and find it
quite a common, normal, human condition. The circular object with the dot
in the center is of course the Natal Sun, it is integrated via the psyche
clever selection of this totem object. Natal Saturn's opposition is
expressed in the blackness of the falcon's eye--black circle = Sun opp
Saturn. Venus is the native's intended avenue of Self expression, thus
Venus is everywhere and nowhere in particular in the image--Venus's quality
(astrological meaning) is distributed equally--immersed, blended completely,
with the other planet/aspect expressions. The object benefits from Venus
such that we find this image more acceptable than others produced by Ed...I
mean to say that we are more *receptive* to this Ed drawing simply due to
the successful integration of natal Venus. To bad this is such a rare
occurrence...:)
>
> --
> ****** Keera in Norway ******
> * Think big. Shrink to fit. *
> http://home.online.no/~kafox
Pedantus Pontificus...:)
Keera Ann Fox
It's impossible to tell how someone will use the energies in their
chart. It helps to know their childhood, or at least to consider the
chart from that point of view.
> > > http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/LORI_IS1.gif
> >
> > LOL! She flung her Moon out on this one, too! It's like seeing her
> > chart! Neat!
> >
> > > http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Lori_Is2.gif
>
> You think thats neat, wait till you she the chart of her favorite
> (simpatico?) painter:
> http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/waterhou.gif (birth time unknown..:(
> http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/shalotte_01.gif
> (paste geocities links in browser manually)
Amazing! :-)
> > BTW, where are her Nodes?
>
> Sorry, I haven't paid them any attention. I have only sought the more
> blantant seeming parallels of projected symbolisms. Like this, for one
> example: (see if you can find anything pointing to Mars....:)
>
> http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/farley01.gif
> http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/farley_02a.gif
> http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/farley03.gif
>
> I love the way the conjunction of Mercury and Sun are projected in this
> example...:)
I find it interesting that the castle is separated from the rest of the
island, much like the Neptune in the chart is, being the only planet in
the Eastern hemisphere. (Labelled "My house". Neptune in the 10th,
ruling 2nd.)
No, the Mars isn't obvious but basically his stellium with Mars in the
middle is centered around the baseball field.
Moon and Saturn are at the football field.
I find myself musing about how his house is not actually on his personal
island at all, and then I notice the Aquarius rising. Of course he did
it his way. :-)
Keera Ann Fox
> "Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbigs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1fysu52.murbdp1bsnksyN%thinkbigs...@yahoo.com...
> > Pedantus <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Ed_Falcon.gif
> >
> > Fascinating. The beak lines up with his Mars and Mercury. Hehehe...
>
>
> If, like Ed, we wish to see the integration of ".......art,
> psychology, metaphysics, and pragmatism." we may pragmatically assume that
> this rendering is indeed a personal totem. However, this symbolic object
> has little personal significance without the context supplied by this
> particular view of it, the generic associations of "Falcon" tell us very
> little about one who would choose it as a surrogate Self, or alter ego.
> Thus counselors routinely ask for specificity, "...what do you mean when you
> say 'falcon' ?" Here it means that the flesh ripping beak points to natal
> Mars; and, as you point out Keera, natal Mercury is successfully 'integrated
> as a component of that part of the overall image. Perhaps the beak serves
> equally well as a type of antenna both sensing and broadcasting certain
> (11th House?) intentions.
I kept it simple. :-) I just thought this man chooses to fight with
words; the beak pecks.
I also note that the only feature of interest in this drawing of the
bird, or rather: The only feature that looks alive/real, coincides with
Ed's MC and Venus. On the midpoint of the eye and beak, as it were, is
his Sun, above the bird's nostrils. The bird offers no "support" (part
of the picture) to the UR/JU, the PL or the MO. NE is almost lost
somewhere in the throat, which in it's own symbolic way does describe
Ed's communication skills.
> Perhaps, out of sheer necessity, the psyche does indeed promote the
> selection of images which attempt to communicate, like sign language, the
> subtle blends of compound complex motivations and personal meanings.
> Astrology and graphic arts are equally poor at this business of
> communication from the perspective of the psyche. I see the individual natal
> planets integrated here, as Ed insists his are (and everyone's are of
> course).
I see the ones not integrated. Not in this picture. Which can lead to
further musings, like when Ed sees himself as strong, capable and free,
is that when he ignores his UR/JU-opp-MO or 1st house PL?
> For instance, Jupiter+Uranus is a flying thing that overflows the frame of
> the view. The large white crescent tells us of how dominant the natal Moon
> is. Neptune's fluffiness is central and pervasive like its focal t-square
> position in the chart. Uranus finds itself expressed as the repetitive
> stokes that are meant to indicate the presence of Neptune feathers, and in
> the shape of the Moon's white crescent--this is the integration that Ed
> feels.
You see an integration where I saw none. Of course Ed is drawn to
something that resonnates in him, as we all would be, and chose this
particular falcon and pose to draw.
> Unfortunately he seems not to understand that we all experience this
> feeling of things coming together in our self 'metaphysically' and find it
> quite a common, normal, human condition. The circular object with the dot
> in the center is of course the Natal Sun, it is integrated via the psyche
> clever selection of this totem object.
Why, yes! The nostril does look like the glyph! Heh.
> Natal Saturn's opposition is
> expressed in the blackness of the falcon's eye--black circle = Sun opp
> Saturn. Venus is the native's intended avenue of Self expression, thus
> Venus is everywhere and nowhere in particular in the image--Venus's quality
> (astrological meaning) is distributed equally--immersed, blended completely,
> with the other planet/aspect expressions. The object benefits from Venus
> such that we find this image more acceptable than others produced by Ed...I
> mean to say that we are more *receptive* to this Ed drawing simply due to
> the successful integration of natal Venus. To bad this is such a rare
> occurrence...:)
To me, the bird has a sad expression in its eyes. Not birdlike at all.
But we are speculating. :-)
Al Chameth
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> > > > http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Ed_Falcon.gif
What's more interesting is that both of you have Mars in Libra
(detriment) and Cancer (Fall) and both attempt in vain to spin my Mars
in Gemini--which trines Neptune (spirit) sextiles Pluto
(self-empowerment), sextiles and disposes of Venus (harmony, beauty,
love) ruler of my Sun and 10-- as something sinister and ego-maniacal.
A planet in the natal chart is said to be Peregrine (foreign,
wandering or alien) when it is NOT in aspect with any other planet.
This planet is then seen as requiring integration into the ego
structure or personality of its owner. The planet is typically
regarded Peregrine only if it is not in its dignity (ruler) or
exalted.
But if the planet IS exalted or in its dignity, this separated and
reflective high functioning planet that is separated by the lack of
aspects in the natal chart becomes the gift of insight or ability that
is FOREIGN and alien to the typical world of ego concerns. This planet
then becomes the vehicle by which its owner can act as a channel, a
funnel, and agent for the archetypal reference and its highest and
best use regardless of personality developmental tension and personal
life challenge.
The HYBRID. The identity now becomes the vehicle for the exalted and
dignified dis-associated expression that serves without affect.
Blindness to the oversoul can be extinguished.
"Destroyed is my badness; Annihilated is my evil.
Put away is the sin which was my own.
I wander on the path that I know,
In the direction of the Island of Justification.
I arrive in the land of the heavenly horizon;
I pass through the holy portal.
Oh Gods who come to meet me!
Stretch out your hands toward me!
I have become Heru, one among you.
I have restored the eye of the Horus,
Sun and son of Osiris
After it had been injured on the day of battle
By the two adversaries."
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Spàmster
Al Chameth wrote:
>
> What's more interesting is that both of you have Mars in Libra
> (detriment) and Cancer (Fall) and both attempt in vain to spin my Mars
> in Gemini--which trines Neptune (spirit) sextiles Pluto
> (self-empowerment), sextiles and disposes of Venus (harmony, beauty,
> love) ruler of my Sun and 10-- as something sinister and ego-maniacal.
>
WTF is that supposed to mean?!
el...@no.spam
Spàmster <dontb...@email.com> wrote:
Why do you think it is supposed to have meaning?
Keera Ann Fox
> thinkbigs...@yahoo.com (Keera Ann Fox) wrote...
> > Pedantus <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> What's more interesting is that both of you have Mars in Libra
> (detriment) and Cancer (Fall) and both attempt in vain to spin my Mars
> in Gemini--which trines Neptune (spirit) sextiles Pluto
> (self-empowerment), sextiles and disposes of Venus (harmony, beauty,
> love) ruler of my Sun and 10-- as something sinister and ego-maniacal.
Bragging about your chart? Oh, brother. Well, so much for our "attempt".
You just did it yourself.
I've dealt with Mars in Geminis before. At their worst, they just have
diarrhea of the mouth and never the sense to check their information or
to listen. At their worst. Why do you insist on expressing your Mars so
poorly?
John Griffin
>
> > thinkbigs...@yahoo.com (Keera Ann Fox) wrote...
> > > Pedantus <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > What's more interesting is that both of you have Mars in Libra
> > (detriment) and Cancer (Fall) and both attempt in vain to spin my Mars
> > in Gemini--which trines Neptune (spirit) sextiles Pluto
> > (self-empowerment), sextiles and disposes of Venus (harmony, beauty,
> > love) ruler of my Sun and 10-- as something sinister and ego-maniacal.
>
> Bragging about your chart? Oh, brother. Well, so much for our "attempt".
> You just did it yourself.
>
> I've dealt with Mars in Geminis before. At their worst, they just have
> diarrhea of the mouth and never the sense to check their information or
> to listen. At their worst. Why do you insist on expressing your Mars so
> poorly?
His Mars is incoherent.
I'm glad Crazy Edmo believes all that superstitious nonsense about
planets having something to do with his problems. That sort of thing
is an excellent vehicle for his foolish babbling. No one else would
have ever said that the moon migrated across the galaxy from an
unseen star and took up an orbit around Earth, and no one else
would have ever said Orion is a star.
Pedantus
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abstract, personally expressive, painting of reality. But we seem to paint
reality in our own likeness, not create it from whole cloth...:)
Pedantus
"Al Chameth" <alch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Well, you have again avoided the topic of Horoscopic Expressionism--the
sharp beak, like your knight's lance, being pointed at natal Mars, but you
have at least correctly recognized that your totem object is a "Peregrine"
falcon....:)
> Edmond H. Wollmann
Spàmster
el...@no.spam wrote:
Oops.
Pedantus
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:01:34 +0200, in alt.astrology,
> thinkbigs...@yahoo.com (Keera Ann Fox) wrote:
>
> >Pedantus <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >> Sorry, I haven't paid them any attention. I have only sought the more
> >> blantant seeming parallels of projected symbolisms. Like this, for one
> >> example: (see if you can find anything pointing to Mars....:)
> >>
> >> http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/farley01.gif
> >> http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/farley_02a.gif
> >> http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/farley03.gif
> >>
> >> I love the way the conjunction of Mercury and Sun are projected in
this
> >> example...:)
> >
> >I find it interesting that the castle is separated from the rest of the
> >island, much like the Neptune in the chart is, being the only planet in
> >the Eastern hemisphere. (Labelled "My house". Neptune in the 10th,
> >ruling 2nd.)
> >
> >No, the Mars isn't obvious but basically his stellium with Mars in the
> >middle is centered around the baseball field.
> >
> >Moon and Saturn are at the football field.
> >
> >I find myself musing about how his house is not actually on his personal
> >island at all, and then I notice the Aquarius rising. Of course he did
> >it his way. :-)
>
> --
Heh, and they all point toward Mars, but I had hoped someone would have
picked up on that.
My wife collected these island drawings from a couple of her high school
French classes; here's another boy also born in Sept. 76'
http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/giancoli_01a.gif
Jupiter now seems to be "My City" in this one and the stellium grouping
is near the Asc., "My Dock." The pointer arrows drawn by the native do
point toward natal Mars, even though the consciously constructed lables are
not thus associated with natal Mars---this is the spit in our consciousness,
as viewed by me anyway. I actually paired these drawing to their unnamed
charts to see how many I could guess correctly: I did succeed in pairing 17
out of 35. I found that half of the participants couldn't or wouldn't
follow the drawing instructions, and quickly gave up hope that this type of
procedure could be used for demonstrating my premise because it is too
easily derailed and could ever stand up to the intentional noise introduced
by experimenters with an anti-astro agenda.
> Aktohdi
Rog
Pedantus
>
> The area labeled "My Zoo" becomes the Moon. and Jupiter aligns with the
> slightly taller scepter shaped, building, Saturn become the smokey
chimney,
> Uranus is still the back window to "my house". ( note most kids would
have
> drawn a door to a house, this child drew a window only.
>
> I agree the "My docks" area does align with the Asc, and looks to be
close
> to the midpoint between The sun and Venus. The directional arrows as well
> as the 'dimple' in the right side of the island points to not only Mars
but
> Mercury, and Pluto. The dimple looks like a balance point on a scale,
> pointing to Libra
>
>
Bob, the "dimple, " as you call it, seems to me a means of indicating a
void area in the chart...not unlike the previous case where unihabted
"mountains" and "forests" seem a parallel idea of a void chart area. I
haven't seen references to signs in the manner you describe...(sorry I
sliced off your suggestion with Occam's razor).
>
>
>
> >I actually paired these drawing to their unnamed
> >charts to see how many I could guess correctly: I did succeed in pairing
17
> >out of 35. I found that half of the participants couldn't or wouldn't
> >follow the drawing instructions, and quickly gave up hope that this type
of
> >procedure could be used for demonstrating my premise because it is too
> >easily derailed and could ever stand up to the intentional noise
introduced
> >by experimenters with an anti-astro agenda.
>
> Not everyone is 'Flat Drawing' enabled. I have trouble with flat drawings.
> I always did better with dimensional mediums. Clays, sand, tiles and cut
> shapes, hot glass ect.
Yup...and they try to draw side views, instead of top views
>
>
> --
> Aktohdi
Rog
Pedantus
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:52:29 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> filled with what the dimple is pointing at?
Ah, I didn't understand what you meant at first, I see the "point"
now...:)
>
> >> >I actually paired these drawing to their unnamed
> >> >charts to see how many I could guess correctly: I did succeed in
pairing
> >17
> >> >out of 35. I found that half of the participants couldn't or wouldn't
> >> >follow the drawing instructions, and quickly gave up hope that this
type
> >of
> >> >procedure could be used for demonstrating my premise because it is too
> >> >easily derailed and could ever stand up to the intentional noise
> >introduced
> >> >by experimenters with an anti-astro agenda.
> >>
> >> Not everyone is 'Flat Drawing' enabled. I have trouble with flat
drawings.
> >> I always did better with dimensional mediums. Clays, sand, tiles and
cut
> >> shapes, hot glass ect.
> >
> > Yup...and they try to draw side views, instead of top views
>
> I have a big hunk of stone sitting outside that about 2 foot cube of
> jadeite of medium quality. I have a project in mind but it hasn't jelled
> completely.
>
> The frontal sketches does not yet fit what I see in the stone. <sigh> I
> have trace out some cuts a few times and never gone beyond that stage as I
> wasn't happy.
That's some paper weight you got there...:)
>
>
> --
> Aktohdi
Rog
Pedantus
> On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:02:37 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> effects the way I see and say things.
>
> As an example, my youngest son when he was just learning to talk saw a
> very early crescent moon in the sky. he stopped and pointed and
> yelled, Daddy it is a fingernail.
>
> Another time we were camping along side a lake. in the lake there was
> cat-tails. he saw one of the Cat-tails and called it a "hot dog"
> plant.
>
> He is also left handed. Left handed people see the world differently.
>
> When I was very young, My older sisters took piano lessons. I was
> about three, and decided I wanted to play two. I watched them play and
> found a beginning book of playing which showed the notes and keyboard.
> They laughed because my hands were way to small to play any of the
> cords. I could play simple pieces by the time I was 4 and stopped
> playing about the time I started 7th grade. I stopped because it was
> fun any more.
>
> I was due to start school and had to take a silly intelligence test.
> it was designed to prevent minorities from starting school. The test
> had colored shaped blocks, I was told to sort the blocks.
>
> I sorted the blocks in a manner other than color, shape and number of
> sides. The person doing the tested told my mother I had failed the
> test because the goal was to sort by color. when I explained how I
> sorted them by shape and number of sides . The person giving the test
> read and found that was a valid test return. The only thing was an
> instruction to test for color blindness.
>
> The point is left handed people see the world differently. the brains
> functions are left hand or right hand dominate. I have however taught
> myself to use both hands fairly well. I still prefer to use my left
> hand for most things.
> children which drew things were left handed?
>
I have no idea, Bob. It would be nice to have such details...:)
Here's a recent acquisition, and "island" drawing by a painter friend of
my wife's. He thinks he was born around 9am, but not at all certain. I set
this up for 9:15am (in Belgium) just to put the end of Pisces Asc.....this I
did because he says that his paintings focus on the all-important role of
myth and symbolism.
http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/isle_cza_01a.jpg
What do you think...do we have a sun symbol projected , and a point toward
natal Mars?
>
> --
> Aktohdi
Rog
Pedantus
>
> Well the change in the "stairs: From Saturn, showing a change starting
> around Pluto. and narrows the at moon to a crescent.
>
> I am not sure the sun occupies a place between Venus and Mercury. and
> there is a gap ( gulf) between two points occupied by the solar
projection.
>
> This one is harder... was the person older when he drew this, like 30-40s?
Oh yeah, age 42. We old folks get pretty stiff; kids are so much freer to
express intuitive associations and such. All our "Hot dog plant" cat tails
just disappear, I guess...:)
>
>
> --
> Aktohdi
Rog
Pedantus
> On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 11:54:01 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bob Officer" <bobof...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:vscmiv076gk3ai8sn...@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:25:16 GMT, in alt.astrology, "Pedantus"
> >> <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/isle_cza_01a.jpg
> >> >
> >> > What do you think...do we have a sun symbol projected , and a point
> >toward
> >> >natal Mars?
> >>
> >> We have a sun.
> >>
> >> Well the change in the "stairs: From Saturn, showing a change starting
> >> around Pluto. and narrows the at moon to a crescent.
> >>
> >> I am not sure the sun occupies a place between Venus and Mercury. and
> >> there is a gap ( gulf) between two points occupied by the solar
> >projection.
> >>
> >> This one is harder... was the person older when he drew this, like
30-40s?
> >
> > Oh yeah, age 42. We old folks get pretty stiff; kids are so much freer
to
> >express intuitive associations and such. All our "Hot dog plant" cat
tails
> >just disappear, I guess...:)
>
> illustrate it.
Only persons who attempt to retain that free-associating sort of imaging
*seem* to perform as well (at times...:)
http://www.pandorasbox.com/louisebrooks/tributes/magritte.html
http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Magritte_R.gif
>
>
> --
> Aktohdi
Rog
Al Chameth
> "Al Chameth" <alch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > From: al_s...@yahoo.com (Al Simak)
> > Newsgroups:
> > thinkbigs...@yahoo.com (Keera Ann Fox) wrote in message
> news:<1fytqzp.sxnw031e1zybmN%thinkbigs...@yahoo.com>...
> > > Pedantus <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > "Keera Ann Fox" <thinkbigs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1fysu52.murbdp1bsnksyN%thinkbigs...@yahoo.com...
> > > > > Pedantus <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > > http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/Ed_Falcon.gif
> > > > > Fascinating. The beak lines up with his Mars and Mercury. Hehehe...
He, he he, yes fascinating, isn't it? Perhaps my choice of the photo
may have some relevance.
> > > > If, like Ed, we wish to see the integration of ".......art,
> > > > psychology, metaphysics, and pragmatism." we may pragmatically assume
> that
> > > > this rendering is indeed a personal totem. However, this symbolic
> object
> > > > has little personal significance without the context supplied by this
> > > > particular view of it, the generic associations of "Falcon" tell us
> very
> > > > little about one who would choose it as a surrogate Self, or alter
> ego.
> > > > Thus counselors routinely ask for specificity, "...what do you mean
> when you
> > > > say 'falcon' ?" Here it means that the flesh ripping beak points to
> natal
> > > > Mars; and, as you point out Keera, natal Mercury is successfully
> 'integrated
> > > > as a component of that part of the overall image. Perhaps the beak
> serves
> > > > equally well as a type of antenna both sensing and broadcasting
> certain
> > > > (11th House?) intentions.
> > > I kept it simple. :-) I just thought this man chooses to fight with
> > > words; the beak pecks.
Yeah, that's pretty simple, and very telling of you too Keera, and
what you believe my presenting my views here amounts to.
> > > I also note that the only feature of interest in this drawing of the
> > > bird, or rather: The only feature that looks alive/real, coincides with
> > > Ed's MC and Venus. On the midpoint of the eye and beak, as it were, is
> > > his Sun, above the bird's nostrils. The bird offers no "support" (part
> > > of the picture) to the UR/JU, the PL or the MO. NE is almost lost
> > > somewhere in the throat, which in it's own symbolic way does describe
> > > Ed's communication skills.
Perhaps because it has nothing to do with my chart and is the choice
of the photographer who took the photo?
> > > > Perhaps, out of sheer necessity, the psyche does indeed promote
> the
> > > > selection of images which attempt to communicate, like sign language,
> the
> > > > subtle blends of compound complex motivations and personal meanings.
> > > > Astrology and graphic arts are equally poor at this business of
> > > > communication from the perspective of the psyche. I see the individual
> natal
> > > > planets integrated here, as Ed insists his are (and everyone's are of
> > > > course).
> > > I see the ones not integrated. Not in this picture. Which can lead to
> > > further musings, like when Ed sees himself as strong, capable and free,
> > > is that when he ignores his UR/JU-opp-MO or 1st house PL?
No, that's most usually when I ignore idiots, and have learned to
think and create, and develop my own perspective of life, reality and
trust what I am.
> > > > For instance, Jupiter+Uranus is a flying thing that overflows the
> frame of
> > > > the view. The large white crescent tells us of how dominant the natal
> Moon
> > > > is. Neptune's fluffiness is central and pervasive like its focal
> t-square
> > > > position in the chart. Uranus finds itself expressed as the repetitive
> > > > stokes that are meant to indicate the presence of Neptune feathers,
> and in
> > > > the shape of the Moon's white crescent--this is the integration that
> Ed
> > > > feels.
> > > You see an integration where I saw none. Of course Ed is drawn to
> > > something that resonnates in him, as we all would be, and chose this
> > > particular falcon and pose to draw.
I drew the Falcon because I used to train them as a youth, and later
discovered that this is what knights would do as a part of their
training, and thought it was rather interesting that I chose to do
that on my own--when no other kids in my neighborhood thought of such
things--they then followed me, and would try to do the same--most
failing miserably or losing patience--as it takes an ENORMOUS amount
of patience to train a wild falcon.
> > > > Unfortunately he seems not to understand that we all experience this
> > > > feeling of things coming together in our self 'metaphysically' and
> find it
> > > > quite a common, normal, human condition. The circular object with the
> dot
> > > > in the center is of course the Natal Sun, it is integrated via the
> psyche
> > > > clever selection of this totem object.
> > > Why, yes! The nostril does look like the glyph! Heh.
Yes, perhaps my choice of the photo goes with my choice of the
subject.
> > > > Natal Saturn's opposition is
> > > > expressed in the blackness of the falcon's eye--black circle = Sun opp
> > > > Saturn. Venus is the native's intended avenue of Self expression,
> thus
> > > > Venus is everywhere and nowhere in particular in the image--Venus's
> quality
> > > > (astrological meaning) is distributed equally--immersed, blended
> completely,
> > > > with the other planet/aspect expressions. The object benefits from
> Venus
> > > > such that we find this image more acceptable than others produced by
> Ed...I
> > > > mean to say that we are more *receptive* to this Ed drawing simply due
> to
> > > > the successful integration of natal Venus. To bad this is such a rare
> > > > occurrence...:)
> > > To me, the bird has a sad expression in its eyes. Not birdlike at all.
Falcons have a very alert and intelligent gaze, but trust me, emotion
is NOT a part of their lifestyle, they are cut and dried predators,
ripping flesh off their prey with a recognition of this as the way of
life, and accepting it as natural. They then continue with their day
like most of nature, content, happy, un-guilt-ridden and fully
trusting the integrity of lifes progress. I lived with my birds all
summer (along with my horse and dogs who went with me--3 German
shepards), carrying them across miles of woodland and becoming one
with them and our hunt. But when fall came and I released them, they
rarely looked back and went back to their natural state over a few
days without conflict.
> > > But we are speculating. :-)
Yes, as always, quite wildly.
> > What's more interesting is that both of you have Mars in Libra
> > (detriment) and Cancer (Fall) and both attempt in vain to spin my Mars
> > in Gemini--which trines Neptune (spirit) sextiles Pluto
> > (self-empowerment), sextiles and disposes of Venus (harmony, beauty,
> > love) ruler of my Sun and 10-- as something sinister and ego-maniacal.
> > A planet in the natal chart is said to be Peregrine (foreign,
> > wandering or alien)
> Well, you have again avoided the topic of Horoscopic Expressionism--the
> sharp beak, like your knight's lance, being pointed at natal Mars, but you
> have at least correctly recognized that your totem object is a "Peregrine"
> falcon....:)
And hopefully, you have learned a lesson in going overboard in
iterpreting someones photo that I duplicated with a pencil.
Once again we real psychology researchers have a good laugh. The
Falcon I drew was from a photograph out of a book on birds of prey--it
was simply a project to blow up a small photo to large size a picture
using the grid method, and the drawing is line for line a replica of
the photo--so once again we have these insightful astrologers and
psychologists having me all figured out by a photo, someone else took.
But we learn much of the interpreters in these excersises, now don't
we?
"Be on the razor's edge, where all other than true modes of support
fall away. All that remains is all that you and the universe have
determined is necessary." Bashar "The Razor's Edge"
"We know the whole idea of how we feel in that sense.
We trust ourselves as aspects of the infinite.
Therefore we interact spontaneously, without necessarily having to
"plan" anything, without having to "make sure" everything will go "as
planned,"...
... we do not need the "insurance" of something to "fall back" on
should what we go for "fail."
All of these ideas are doubts and mistrusts of the true
unconditionalness of our love." Bashar, "Southern Exposure"
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
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Spåmster
Al Chameth wrote:
>
> Yeah, that's pretty simple, and very telling of you too Keera, and
> what you believe my presenting my views here amounts to.
>
Entertainment!!1!!
el...@no.spam
Bob Officer <bobof...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>You drew it from a photo? Then it isn't original art as you claimed.
Give him enough rope and Edmo exposes his own lies. What a
maroon!
Pedantus
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>Yes, perhaps my choice of the photo goes with my choice of the
>subject.
>
> Edmond H. Wollmann
Thanks for again making my point: we unconsciously choose self symbols;
persons who do it well can actually express graphic symbols reminiscent of
their natal charts. Your drawing behavior is the only evidence that
confirms for me that you are touched , moved, (whatever) in the same way
other people are touched by life's unities. Though your claims to
astrological prowess are greatly exaggerated, I can see from the consistent
indicators I find in your *selections* of images that you are a human
individual with consistent personal preferences, your awareness of these
patterned preferences makes you feel like you are in touch, like an
astrologer, like a painter, like a musician, is in touch with life's
interconnectedness. Your drawings and your chart say no more than that.
Whatever astrology is seems not to cross the thresholds of our ordinary
range of human perception. Therefore I say we don't know what this
experience we call astrology is just yet; no one has ever mastered the art
of perceiving it in a useful (practical) manner, no one can draw the power
of prediction from it. We are only kidding ourselves to think we can
contemplate such things and declare some measure of mastery.
Pedantus Pontificus
Pedantus
> "Pedantus" <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > Well, you have again avoided the topic of Horoscopic
Expressionism--the
> > sharp beak, like your knight's lance, being pointed at natal Mars, but
you
> > have at least correctly recognized that your totem object is a
"Peregrine"
> > falcon....:)
>
> And hopefully, you have learned a lesson in going overboard in
> iterpreting someones photo that I duplicated with a pencil.
> Once again we real psychology researchers have a good laugh. The
> Falcon I drew was from a photograph out of a book on birds of prey--it
> was simply a project to blow up a small photo to large size a picture
> using the grid method, and the drawing is line for line a replica of
> the photo--so once again we have these insightful astrologers and
> psychologists having me all figured out by a photo, someone else took.
>
> But we learn much of the interpreters in these excersises, now don't
> we?
>
> Edmond H. Wollmann
You create your own reality, Ed, by choosing what you will attend to, and
by ignoring one million other things at that same moment. The choice of the
available images is yours to make (existentialism in a spray can..:)...we
choose that which is symbolically like our mute soul's self perception--the
mind/matter mirror experience you are so fond of carrying on about.
Just for a minute, step away from the center stage my fellow egocentric
one, and have a look at this chart:
http://www.geocities.com/pedantus/yeats_wb.gif
(paste the url in the addy line manually, just to please geocities' control
freaks)
These opening lines of Yeats poem is almost a "signature" , the "self" of
his artistic endeavors, but we astrologers can see that a lot better than
most people.
http://www.well.com/user/eob/poetry/The_Second_Coming.html
"Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, [..]"
The Sun + Uranus is a spiral (a circle + the eccentric change) these
planets opposite Jupiter "widen" ...Yeats *unconsciously* projects this his
natal aspect-- Sun+Uranus opposite Jupiter. This makes the work
*expressive*... it is an instance of Horoscopic Expressionism. But seeing
it won't make you powerful...won't give you control...it only gives one a
passion-less depth of understanding and a lasting appreciation of others as
the miraculous all too human beings that they are. Its a way to sidestep
your chronic narcissism, for which there is no known cure.
So go ahead and pretend what you want, if you don't understand it at
first..keep trying (in secret of course) and I don't care how many claim
possession of my thought...I believe in stewardship, not ownership.
Ed Wollmann is a pathetic LOSER
> Once again we real psychology researchers have a good laugh.
Once again we kooklogists have a good laugh at your delusions, freak.
You're not a "real psychology researcher". You never have been, and you
never will be.
You lack the training, the discipline, and most of all, the ethical
foundation for that type of work.
You said your field was to be a clinician, Edddddie.
Please decide which delusory profession you are going to have. Then pop
another vein in your forehead and rant for us like a good little kook.
el...@no.spam
Ed Wollmann is a pathetic LOSER <alch...@alchamethurld.org> wrote:
>>Once again we real psychology researchers have a good laugh.
>Once again we kooklogists have a good laugh at your delusions,
>freak. You're not a "real psychology researcher". You never have
>been, and you never will be.
He did post a number of lies about doing research. The truth that
inspired the lies was that psychology majors at SDSU are required
participate in a research project as *experimental subjects*.
Eddy spun this into his doing the research. Truth and Wollmann
are not companions.
Wollmann even cited the paper that came from this study.
That made it quite easy to confirm that Wollmann was never a
researcher.
Himself
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>>>thinkbigs...@yahoo.com (Keera Ann Fox) wrote in message
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>>>>Pedantus <rlsat...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>Fascinating. The beak lines up with his Mars and Mercury. Hehehe...
>
>
> He, he he, yes fascinating, isn't it? Perhaps my choice of the photo
> may have some relevance.
Ha ha! See! I fooled all of you! It's *all* plagiarized! All of it!!
I've never had an original thought in my head!! Every criticism aimed at
me goes straight to the original author or artist! Ha ha ha ha!!!!
At least that's what he seems to be saying. Weird. An excalibur-like
blow to his very own head. And he's gloating about it. Fucking *weird*.
HTH,
Himself