Asc trine Midheaven
momenee
at 6 Aquarius and black moon at 2 libra in my 5th house. I am
not familiar with the non-traditional planets so I don't know
much about the black moon. I have not been able to find
anything in any of my books about asc trine mc. Is this a rare
aspect? I would appreciate any comments as to what this
may indicate.
for anyone who wants to look further
Oct. 9, 1953 7:58 pm
83w33 41n39
Thanks,
Mom
SeaGtGruff
There are differences of opinion about aspects between the Ascendant and
Midheaven-- or between any two angles of a chart. I've seen at least one book
which (if I remember correctly) gives interpretations for aspects between the
Ascendant and Midheaven-- namely, _The_Astrologer's_Handbook_, by Frances
Sakoian and Louis S. Acker. I don't think most astrologers deem such aspects
to be of any real significance.
I'm not too sure just what I think. I suspect that there could be some
significance to a trine between the Ascendant and the Midheaven, but more in
the sense that any transiting planet which is conjunct one of these angles will
trine the other angle at about the same time (depending on the orb of the
trine).
*If* the Ascendant trine the Midheaven has any real significance-- which is by
no means agreed-upon by astrologers-- it probably indicates that your personal
identity (the Ascendant) and your social identity (the Midheaven) have an easy
flow of energy between them (the trine), or something like that.
Michael Rideout
Axel Harvey
>
> I have a grand trine between my asc at 0 gemni,
> midheaven at 6 Aquarius and black moon at 2 libra in
> my 5th house. I am not familiar with the non-traditional
> planets so I don't know much about the black moon. I
> have not been able to find anything in any of my books
> about asc trine mc. Is this a rare aspect? I would
> appreciate any comments as to what this may
> indicate.
>
> for anyone who wants to look further
> Oct. 9, 1953 7:58 pm
> 83w33 41n39
Yes, I assumed the birth time was CDT and must have been right because
I get MC 6:54 Aquarius and AS 0:39 Gemini. Incidentally, if one wants
to be brief one should write "7 Aquarius" and "1 Gemini", because those
are the positions rounded to the nearest degree; and anyways, 0
*anything* of Gemini is in the first degree of Gemini, and 6 *anything*
of Aquarius is in the 7th degree of Aquarius. Why can so few
astrologers count? People are always saying "My Roachapproach is at 16
Virgo", when it turns out the darn thing is at 16:59 for Hermes' sake!
Anyway, the Midheaven, Ascendant, and Dark Moon (Charybdis) are all
geometrical points rather than celestial bodies, so they do not cast
aspects. Because they receive them, however, any transit, direction,
secondary, etc. that affects one point will affect the other two. This
is all the more so because Charybdis is at 2:16 Libra, within 90 min.
of the midpoint MC/AS: not a close orb, but it will certainly work with
slow aspects. Furthermore, being a midpoint, hard aspects will work as
well as the trines and sextiles you would expect--I mean hard aspects
to Charybdis from the third degree of cardinal signs and the 18th
degree of fixed signs. So the following sensitive places are set up in
your birth map:
0-7 deg. of all diurnal signs (Aquarius, Aries, Gemini, Leo, etc.) but
especially 2-3 degrees;
17-18 deg. of Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius.
Any serious identity problems recently? These points are being
transited this years and next by Neptune and Uranus; Pluto passed
through not long ago. The personal (AS) and social (MC) identities must
interfere with one another in such a way that you respond with an
uncompromising affirmation of your freedom--but the price you pay can
be huge. Fortunately, from a quick glance at the ephemeris, no natal
planets are closely involved so these are passing storms.
PS--Roachapproach is asteroid 5945.
momenee
my chart for 30 yrs and just discovered (re-discovered) this aspect. I
suppose I ignored it because I couldn't find much on it. Also because there
are no planets connected with it.
I recently found a website that casts charts and had mine recast to get
an overlay with another persons chart. The new chart showed the grand trine
with the black moon, so I decided to take another look. Finding the black
moon involved is what intrigued me. I need to find more info on this.
What I've been thinking is that it may be a bright spot in an otherwise
gloomy chart, sort of a rainbow over head. All of my other planets are in
house 2 to 6. The trine seems to be one of the few noticable points above
the horizon. I guess there is probably not much reason to place much
emphasis on cusps with empty houses.
One attribute about myself that may relate to this is that I present
myself well. I usually give a good first impression. I usually interview
well. I have always gotten good jobs that I am neither qualified or
educated to do. Then the sun saturn conj kicks in and I get the job done.
When people finally do get to know me (Scorpio moon) they are always
surprised that I am not as educated or as well off in other ways as they
thought. I am a health care professional (6th house sun, moon, mercury,
neptune and saturn.) I suppose a lot of what they mistake for book
knowledge is obtained thru difficult personal circumstances.
I have the book you mentioned. It only indirectly mentions the acs mc
trine. I need a good book on the black moon and other non traditional
luminaries. I would appreciate any recommendations.
Thank you again for your input.
Mom
momenee
Axel Harvey <a...@cam.org> wrote in message
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> mom...@apk.net wrote:
> >
> > I have a grand trine between my asc at 0 gemni,
> > midheaven at 6 Aquarius and black moon at 2 libra in
> >
Thank you for your comments.
As for the identity crisis, yes. A couple of yrs ago when Pluto crossed
my descendant and then was at about 2-3 degrees Sag, my "nest" emptied. I
have lost all sense of direction and purpose in my life. I believe my
progressed Sun is also somewhere around 2-3 Sag now. I have never been more
free or more lost in my life.
Also about this time I began developing health problems which the
medical profession seems to have no answers for other than tranquilizer,
pain pills, sleeping pill and antidepressants. And that approach brought on
a whole new set of problems. Probably Neptune at 2 degrees Aquarius
effects. This year the health problems peaked ( I hope. ) I have given up
on anyone but me finding the answers.
Interestingly I just bought this computer a month ago to fill time and
have found more answers than the medical profession has been able to give me
in years.
I have always had a sense that I was missing something in my chart.
I'll have to check back on past transits to these points and monitor
upcoming progressions. I am planning on getting a good astro program and am
going to investigate some of these other points and luminaries that are not
included in traditional horoscopes. I have a feeling there is something
around 25 Scorpio that I am missing. That point seems to trigger events but
aspects nothing but a trine to a 3rd house Uranus.
Thanks much for your help.
Mom
Todd Carnes
Todd
momenee <mom...@apk.net> wrote in message news:7q
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> for anyone who wants to look further
> Oct. 9, 1953 7:58 pm
> 83w33 41n39
>
> Thanks,
> Mom
>
>
Axel Harvey
> I have only been following the transits to my chart for 30 yrs [ ... ]
"Only"? You're doing better than most of us!
> [ ... ] The new chart showed the grand trine
> with the black moon, so I decided to take another look. Finding the black
> moon involved is what intrigued me. I need to find more info on this.
Do you read French? The astrological culture is still compartmented,
and this is a French specialty. I recommend Marc Bériault's
_Lorsque_la_Lune_noire_se_lève_.
> [ ... ] All of my other planets are in house 2 to 6.
Please don't say "other planets", though. Geometrical points are not
planets. "Planet" means "wanderer", and from the point of view of your
birthplace the Midheaven and Ascendant don't go anywhere.
> One attribute about myself that may relate to this is that I present
> myself well. I usually give a good first impression. I usually interview
> well. I have always gotten good jobs that I am neither qualified or
> educated to do. Then the sun saturn conj kicks in and I get the job done.
So much for the so-called disadvantage of having planets under the
Earth. I have a son with all planets under the Earth--come to think of
it with Geminini rising too!--and he is very intense, always preferring
to learn in the field rather than from books. (Of course the fact that
he has both the Sun and Moon plus two planets in Scorpio helps.)
A Sun-Saturn person will *never* think she is qualified :)))) but
is that really your case with a 12-degree orb? True it's "under the
rays" and would be a conjunction in a horary; and it's applying. My
first impulse is to say that you reached the pits of low self-esteem
around age 12, and then you grew out of it.