Progressed venus opposite natal/prog. Uranus
mjlove
the following aspect in a woman's chart (not lesbian). Her Venus has
progressed in 2nd house to make an exact opposite to her natal Uranus and
soon progressed Uranus in 8th house. Venus is the ruler of her 7th (Taurus)
and 11th + 12th (Libra) houses; Uranus is the ruler of her 3rd house.
This aspect will be there for almost 3 years. What kind of effects can be
expected. Any thoughts or experiences?
Peace.
gygyuu
Love at first sight experiences, impulsiveness, creativity, extravagance?
Oh? Did I forget to mention a homosexual predisposition? Ask her if she
likes men. :)
G
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Elisabeth
because nothing special happened, but the transit resulted in the fact that
I was fascinated by astronauts and space shuttles. I (ab)used my father´s
daily magazine cutting out all articels and pictures showing the first
Gagarin and Titow in 1961, John H. Glenn in 1962. My interest slowed down
in 1965. Progressed planets don´t work in my chart.
Elisabeth
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Heather
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gygyuu <gyg...@netzero.net> wrote in message news:000701c0e79f$5db60480>
Jenny
having gotten a bunch of completely off-base predictions from very good
astrologers is this: If it is Uranus, don't try to predict it. The whole
point of Uranus is that it is unexpected, so if you predict it, you're ipso
facto wrong.
Paul Reeder
"Jenny" <jenny_t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Soapbox being set up, preachy astrologer getting up on it, you've all
been warned!
This is an example of why I feel so strongly against prediction being
associated with astrology. Prediction, the desire to do so, has more to
do with the nature of human character in its current state of
development, than it has to do with astrology. Astrology really doesn't
predict anything other than on this date the planets were in this
configuration, and on another date the planets were in another
configuration, and oh my look at the angles between the two
configurations. Any predictions beyond that are coming from astrologers
not astrology.
Now I get a lot of credit from by clients for making predictions with
surprising accuracy. I always deny it, but it happens. What I do is to
tell my clients when certain configurations in the sky or in
progressions are activating the configurations in their natal charts, as
accurately as they have been calculated. I go on to describe the
spiritual and psychological factors of consciousness involved and let
them know that when changes take place in the state of their psyche,
those changes will definitely be reflected in the parts of the
apparently external world with which their psychic energies are
connecting.
Natal Uranus is about the need to discover, develop and express those
attributes of a person which make them unique, and to eventually
integrate them into those parts of a person which make them similar to
all other persons. It is felt within as an urge towards freedom from
the compromises we often make to fit into niches in our collective that
were here before we got here. The need for freedom from oppressive
duties, responsibilities, or expectations from others, the key word
there being oppressive, is a Uranian need. Uranus is freely flowing
life force, chi or prana, accelerating our intellectual freedom.
Before one could determine what sorts of changes a progression such as
this would involve, one would need to look at all the contacts Uranus
makes in the natal chart, by sign, house, and aspect, and compare those
to the real life the individual is living. Where is life stagnating in
a boring pattern? In what way has the individual folded up her or his
self, compromising his or her wholeness, in order to fit other people's
expectation? In what way does this individual need to abandon a niche
that existed traditionally and create a brand new niche that while
giving her or him room to be truly creative and alive, also raises
community consciousness.
One would also need to assess the progressing planet both natally by
sign, house, aspect, and essential dignity for relative strength to
produce change, and progression by sign and house position. Of course
the most important clues would come from the archetypal nature of the
progressing planet and the timing of transiting triggers to the
progressed to natal aspects.
Venus is about the creative process of mixing different but naturally
attracting ingredients together in a way that changes both into
something new. This is the principal of fertility. It expresses itself
in works of artistic creativity, in processes of business activity, and
in acts of social interaction, both personal and community oriented.
One must note that combinations of Venus and Uranus involve archetypes
that are quite different from one another. That is: Venus brings
together different yet mutually attracted entities and alters their
basic natures, while Uranus releases innate nature that has gone on
undiscovered, undeveloped, or unexpressed. We often experience Venus as
the need for love or intimacy, the act of knowing and being known by
another, and Uranus with the need for personal freedom - self
sovereignty.
Artistic creativity may take on high tech methods. Engineering projects
may be modified by aesthetic values.
Committed relationships may be tested to determine if the commitment is
truly an expression of personal freedom on the part of the individuals
involved. Often long term relationships go through periods of distance
or separation due to work schedules. Long distance intimacy is a common
expression of this combination as both connectedness and time alone are
allowed.
People may find themselves involved with folks quite different than
themselves. This allows for intimacy and an enhanced sense of
individuality at the same time. It also can make for a short term or
unstable relationship.
Breaking the rules of tradition are common as Uranus is associated with
experimentation. Any experimental scientist will tell you that
experimentation is a more dependable method of discovering what doesn't
work than showing what does work.
What we need do as astrologers is to learn to describe energies and
timing in a way that invokes the archetypes without making hard and fast
predictions. The realities of life will always align with the
archetypes, but there are an unlimited variety of ways that can happen.
Of course, the more one knows about a clients material life, the more
one can use terms that are already actively involved in the clients
life. This helps the client to connect with the archetypes in a
personal way.
Paul Reeder
doovinator
mjlove
"What we need do as astrologers is to learn to describe energies and
timing in a way that invokes the archetypes without making hard and fast
predictions. The realities of life will always align with the
archetypes, but there are an unlimited variety of ways that can happen."
Yet, it's always tempting to go for solid predictions. It's a basic instinct
in human nature that affects astrology as well as any other science. That
is the primary REASON why astrology has come into existance.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts.
Peace.
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Ray Murphy
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In article <9f1649$iag$1...@news1.xs4all.nl>, "mjlove" <wa...@go.com>
wrote:
>Paul, I'm in awe! Your post is great and full of wisdom.
>
>"What we need do as astrologers is to learn to describe energies and
>timing in a way that invokes the archetypes without making hard and fast
>predictions. The realities of life will always align with the
>archetypes, but there are an unlimited variety of ways that can happen."
>
>Yet, it's always tempting to go for solid predictions. It's a basic instinct
>in human nature that affects astrology as well as any other science. That
>is the primary REASON why astrology has come into existance.
>
>Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts.
>
>Peace.
REPLY; I suppose the word "prediction" is left over from the past.
Using that term DOES say a lot in one word, and would have been handy
for people with little education or short attention-spans.
In reality we don't predict anything at all when we're talking about
transits.
Sure we tell people in advance where planets will be, but that is
certainly not prediction - that is just "reporting or informing" in a
way that is no more complex than predicting when someone's mortgage
will be paid off.
When it comes to telling clients about the meaning of their
approaching transits, that is not predicton either - that is simply
(once again) reporting what is already well-known information which
can be found in books easily.
The real Art of astrology is identifying and collating the most
relevant factors that relate to the "main thrust" of any individual
transit and when we present their combined "influence" it CAN look
very much like an actual prediction.
The only thing astrologers ever do is GUESS how a set of circumstances
can manifest - but "prediction" still seems a bit more sophisticated
than the word "guessing" (even to the semi-literate).
This "guessing" process can be shared with the client - in fact it
should be if it is possible, because they have more idea about the
various factors in their lives which we know nothing about. They also
know things which they won't reveal to us.
It is an astrologers job to tell clients about the possible ways - or
typical ways that certain transits manifest so that they have a good
starting point for their "guessing".
This whole process can be presented to a client in a very
down-to-earth sort of way, or we can get onto "their philosophical
wave-length" (if we can identify it) and that can make our words
MEMORABLE. It's no good clients going away thinking to themselves
"That was great while it lasted - but what did the astrologer actually
say?"
The reason we USE keywords in astrology is so that we ourselves can
recall what the various factors represent. Clients need to hear
key-words too; as well as short explanations and analogies - but none
of this is "prediction".
There IS no difference in the way various (good) astrologers do their
work when they are talking to clients about transits - THAT continued
claim is actually an illusion. None of us are predicting anything - we
are reporting *the potential* in our own particular way.
Clients can of course be disappointed with various astrologers "style
of operation" - and in fact my impresion is that it is not easy to
find an astrologer who suits a client ideally.
Disappointment can also come from a client's belief that astrologers
CAN actually predict things. If this impression is left with a client
after the first consultation, then the astrologer needs to lift his or
her game (unless they are dealing with a client who is an idiot who
won't accept the facts).
One last thing: Everything can be explained to a client from the point
of view that THEY are the ones doing all the learning - and nothing is
external (nothing is happening TO them). That suits some personalities
I suppose, and it is true to a great extent but not entirely.
When people are having certain transits - they are NOT always
projecting stuff which is acted upon by others. Very often, complete
strangers will be drawn to a person with a transit (perhaps quite
suddenly) and participate in that transit.
This is not a theory - it is the result of seeing thousands of event
dates and hearing about the circumstances surrounding them.
It appears that complete strangers KNOW what transits we are having -
without having any knowledge of astrology - and very often become
involved in our lives.
It could be argued of course that strangers can read our faces or body
language in a few seconds, but my experience has shown how people with
certain things in their charts "arrive just in time" to help or
hinder. So although I don't believe in "fate" I think that this type
of thing is happening - whereby "A person" can arrive in one's life,
but not necesarily a pre-destined person.
Ray Murphy
Paul Reeder
"mjlove" <wa...@go.com> wrote:
> "What we need do as astrologers is to learn to describe energies and
> timing in a way that invokes the archetypes without making hard and
fast
> predictions. The realities of life will always align with the
> archetypes, but there are an unlimited variety of ways that can
happen."
>
> Yet, it's always tempting to go for solid predictions. It's a basic
instinct
> in human nature that affects astrology as well as any other science.
That
> is the primary REASON why astrology has come into existance.
OK. You are right, it is tempting. But unless one enjoys and is
sharing the gift of prophesy, we should maintain a healthier
perspective. Heck, with a genuine prophet around, who needs astrology?
Astrology is nothing more than a complex clock. A skyclock if you will.
As astrologers we are telling time, nothing more. This is one reason
that astrology, at least in its fundamental form, should be taught to
all children. That way we would share a way to better understand time
and change and interact with it and the world stage more consciously.
Our tiny little egos are more often than not incomplete concepts of what
we are. They often exclude vast portions of our creative nature. We
can make that worse when we make predictions as if the creative
processes creating the results we experience were not still active and
involved. We are contributing the events which occur right up to the
moment they occur.
Astrology can serve the process of awakening an individual to the
energies, both personal and universal, contributing to the world we are
creating and experiencing. When we delineate time and change we can do
so in a way that reinforces the ego's sense of being a victim, or we can
do so in a way that helps the ego surrender and merge with universal
being making the journey to self-mastery more natural, helping us to
create our character more consciously.
Its tempting to say, "what a good astrologer I am, I predict so
accurately!" Admittedly its a real ego stroke to hear those kinds of
comments from our clients. Yet indulging ourselves in this way
contributes to difficulties we will inevitably face when our predictions
go astray, or if our predictions close the doors to ways our clients can
face and solve problems rather than merely endure them.
Lets not shy away from studying time and change. Rather, lets learn to
delineate the archetypes in ways that honor the divine breath which
gives us life and a creative nature.
Paul Reeder
Paul Reeder
"Ray Murphy" <ray...@box.net.au> wrote:
An excellant post Ray!
> In article <9f1649$iag$1...@news1.xs4all.nl>, "mjlove" <wa...@go.com>
> wrote:
> >Yet, it's always tempting to go for solid predictions. It's a basic
instinct
> >in human nature that affects astrology as well as any other science.
That
> >is the primary REASON why astrology has come into existance.
>
> REPLY; I suppose the word "prediction" is left over from the past.
> Using that term DOES say a lot in one word, and would have been handy
> for people with little education or short attention-spans.
> In reality we don't predict anything at all when we're talking about
> transits.
However, let me remind you the message from Jenny to which my post was
in response:
"My feeling, having gone through a bunch of serious Uranus transits and
having gotten a bunch of completely off-base predictions from very good
astrologers is this: If it is Uranus, don't try to predict it. The
whole
point of Uranus is that it is unexpected, so if you predict it, you're
ipso
facto wrong."
Sadly, even if you in your practice have moved beyond prediction, much
of the world of astrology has not. This is true of both many
astrologers practicing and clients seeking guidance from astrologers. I
think you and I in this case are more in agreement than not.
You might be surprised to learn my take on fate, however.
Paul Reeder
pete
<elisabe...@t-online.at> wrote:
>I cann´t tell you any experience with progressed Uranus conj. Venus n.,
>because nothing special happened, but the transit resulted in the fact that
>I was fascinated by astronauts and space shuttles. I (ab)used my father´s
>daily magazine cutting out all articels and pictures showing the first
>Gagarin and Titow in 1961, John H. Glenn in 1962. My interest slowed down
>in 1965. Progressed planets don´t work in my chart.
>Elisabeth
Pete comments: Elisabeth, what you describe above is more of a
Neptunian trip - Uranus doens't bring obsessive behavior.
Pete
Larry Swain
Larry S.
Ray Murphy
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In article <thag1ml...@corp.supernews.com>, "Paul Reeder"
<ree...@azstarnet.com> wrote:
REPLY: This whole topic is worth looking at in more detail, but I
don't feel as though I ever WAS doing any "predictiing".
I suppose it really needs defining somehow.
Perhaps I was affected more than I thought when I saw a TV interview
during the Vietnam war.
At that time I had not begun to study astrology, but was an avid
observer of Sun Signs.
On the TV, Gen. Westmoreland was asked a question about the future and
he replied:
"We cannot predict with any certainty what will happen"
Straight away I'm thinking - "What about your experts - what about
astrologers - can't they predict anything with a fair degree of
certainty?"
I began to think, and 10 more years went by before I started studying
astrology seriously - so by that time I was REALLY interested in how
accurate astrology really was. I soon found out. It's great - but not
THAT great, although (as we all know) some astrologers have had some
amazing success at times - some of unexplained - and some of it just
guesswork based on the astrological facts combined with known
circumstances.
I'm still inclined to believe that there is far less "prediction"
occurring than one might expect from astrologers - but as I said, it
depends upon a definition.
The example Jenny gave (above) about Uranus being dificult to do
predictive work with, is something I don't agree with.
Sure, people frequently DO NOT expect to have a sudden change of
career with UR con MC, but it does happen to *some* people quite
suddenly and unexpectedly. I've seen it enough myself.
I remember one case where the over-worked "poker-faced" social worker
sat across from me while I mentioned some of the potential
manifestations of this transit. I told her she was currently having
her 2nd of 3 passes of UR con MC and I suggested that she keep an eye
out for any "early warning signs" at her work place.
Then suddenly she said "It's OK, I've already resigned",
A week or two later her "new job" fell through before she started
(another UR/MC event).
A year or so went by and then one Sunday morning I turned on the TV -
and there she was - as bright as a button - wading through a muddy
creek with villagers somewhere in SE Asia. She had taken a job working
for an international "Care" team.
I thought "So *that's* what Uranus was doing - taking her to where she
was happiest!"
What I said in the reading of her chart was not a prediction at all -
but perhaps some people could think it was.
>You might be surprised to learn my take on fate, however.
REPLY: Paul, I think the only thing that would surprise me in this
regard, is if you said you didn't believe in it.
>
>Paul Reeder
Ray
Paul Reeder
"Ray Murphy" <ray...@box.net.au> wrote
> "Paul Reeder" <ree...@azstarnet.com> wrote:
> >You might be surprised to learn my take on fate, however.
> REPLY: Paul, I think the only thing that would surprise me in this
> regard, is if you said you didn't believe in it.
You know, with a set-up like that I just can't resist!
Frankly Ray I don't believe in fate! I believe in Life - Eternal Life.
I believe in God, both formless and in form. I believe in myself. I
believe in you (and everyone else reading this or not reading this). I
believe in the essential creative nature of all things.
Fate is one of those things, like astrology, I have beliefs about.
Those beliefs are based on experience and subject to change as
experience demands it.
I believe that the essential creative nature of human consciousness
produces change in the world according to: 1) the things we choose,
consciously or subconsciously to focus our attention on and involve our
consciousness, 2) the sorts of attitudes we generate in our feelings
about the relationship we have with our chosen object(s) of interaction,
3) the ideas, beliefs and strategies we build up in our mental functions
to develop and support said attitudes, and 4) the behaviors we
translate those ideas and strategies into using our motor functions.
In this way, as time passes, we create our realities and experience of
reality.
When, due to the passing of time, we lose track of the creative energy
we have set into motion, the experience of the fruits of that creative
energy seems to be fated. In other words, we are fated by our
ignorance, and exercise free will in proportion to our self
understanding. (I am eternally grateful to that wise English lady
astrologer, whose name I forget, I stole that line from years ago and
repeat it any chance I get)
Paul Reeder
Elisabeth
pete <pet...@c-zone.net> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
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> On Mon, 28 May 2001 19:10:29 CST, "Elisabeth"
> <elisabe...@t-online.at> wrote:
>
> >I cann´t tell you any experience with progressed Uranus conj. Venus n.,
> >because nothing special happened, but the transit resulted in the fact
that
> >I was fascinated by astronauts and space shuttles. I (ab)used my
father´s
> >daily magazine cutting out all articels and pictures showing the first
> >Gagarin and Titow in 1961, John H. Glenn in 1962. My interest slowed
down
> >in 1965. Progressed planets don´t work in my chart.
> >Elisabeth
>
>
> Pete comments: Elisabeth, what you describe above is more of a
> Neptunian trip - Uranus doens't bring obsessive behavior.
> Pete
> >
I was interested, it wasn´t obsession, but as a matter of fact at the
moment it´s useless to contradict your comments.
Elisabeth