Near death experience
SeaGtGruff
> Hi Peter,
> Although I am not sure of the exact moment that
> this happened. I wasn't watching the clock ;o) This
> is pretty close to the time frame. Noticed that there
> is nothing in the 8th house but I am still here right?
It looks like the positions you listed are for April 21, 1978, 3 a.m. GMT-- or
April 20, 1978, at 10 p.m. EST.
You had two major Solar-arc directions involving your directed angles:
d. Asc. opposite n. Saturn (orb 0:30, separating)
d. MC opposite n. Pluto (orb 0:32, separating)
It's interesting that both aspects have almost the same orb-- including the
fact that they're separating-- so adjusting your given time of birth would make
them exact at almost the same time. Changing your birth time to 6:53 a.m.
EDT-- just 2 minutes earlier than your given time-- would make the orbs as
follows:
d. Asc. opposite n. Saturn (orb 0:04, applying)
d. MC opposite n. Pluto (orb 0:02, separating)
Michael Rideout
Pete Phoenix
news:19990911223610...@ng-fc1.aol.com...
> Susan Sarantos wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter,
> > Although I am not sure of the exact moment that
> > this happened. I wasn't watching the clock ;o) This
> > is pretty close to the time frame. Noticed that there
> > is nothing in the 8th house but I am still here right?
>
> It looks like the positions you listed are for April 21, 1978, 3 a.m.
GMT-- or
> April 20, 1978, at 10 p.m. EST.
>
> You had two major Solar-arc directions involving your directed angles:
>
> d. Asc. opposite n. Saturn (orb 0:30, separating)
> d. MC opposite n. Pluto (orb 0:32, separating)
So this puts the Solar Arc I.C bang on that Pluto!!
Looks like that's the baby, Susan!
What I get from this is that N.D.E's are more associated with 4th/12th house
and JU/NE/PL and Mercury, than with the 8th. Like you said: You're still
here :)
> It's interesting that both aspects have almost the same orb-- including
the
> fact that they're separating-- so adjusting your given time of birth would
make
> them exact at almost the same time. Changing your birth time to 6:53 a.m.
> EDT-- just 2 minutes earlier than your given time-- would make the orbs as
> follows:
>
> d. Asc. opposite n. Saturn (orb 0:04, applying)
> d. MC opposite n. Pluto (orb 0:02, separating)
>
> Michael Rideout
Pete Phoenix.
"There's only so much time in any day, and this isn't some of it."
- Susie Graham.
John H. Roth Jr.
Santaros wrote:
>Hi,
>What would signify a near death experience in a persons chart? I was
>speaking with some friends and we all had gone through a similar thing
>although we didn't quite realize at the time or even until years later that
>this is what had occurred.
>This showed up for the time in question on me.
>Transiting Sun and Venus were both in my 12th house
>transit SUN trine natal PLUTO
>transit MARS square natal NEPTUNE
>Just curious.
>Susan Sarantos
>su...@sarantos.com
>http://www.sarantos.com
Depends on what you mean by a "near death experiance". If you simply
mean a very close brush with death, that 's a very different thing
than the "died and revived" with the experiance of the light, etc.
In either case, work it the same as any other death experiance. The
only text on death I know is from a mixed Hindu/Western perspective
(The Astrology of Death, by Richard Houck). In particular, study chart
# 4 and the associated text, which goes into a NDE which was, in fact,
a walk-in. The new chart (the chart of the death experiance) was much
more effective than the original natal chart!
John H. Roth Jr.
SeaGtGruff
> It looks like the positions you listed are for April 21,
> 1978, 3 a.m. GMT-- or April 20, 1978, at 10 p.m.
> EST.
Susan Sarantos wrote:
> I only remember the approximate time that this
> happened because afterwards I marched out and
> rented another apartment down the street and
> moved in the next day. So I had the date written on
> my check receipt. I am approximating the time of
> event between 7- 10 pm in Tucson. Not sure of
> exact.
Okay, I'll use 8:30 p.m. MST(?) as an approximation, because it's halfway
between 7 p.m. and 10 p.m. If I adjust it to 8:36 p.m. MST, the transiting
Midheaven would have been at 29:48 Leo, which is exactly where your natal Pluto
is! But that doesn't mean anything definite; it's just interesting. This was
apparently a very personal event for you, so it might make just as much sense
to use approximately 7:47 p.m., which was when the transiting Ascendant and
Descendant axis roughly coincided with your natal Moon and Sun, respectively.
Or it might have been some other time within the range you mentioned.
Personally, I think natal Pluto at the transiting MC is an appropriate
correlation, but events usually occur as a series of connected happenings-- A
leads to B, then B leads to C, then C leads to D, etc.-- and this can make it
tough to pick any single event or time as the definitive representation which
should be used. If the blow to your head resulted in a near-death experience,
surely you didn't leap up immediately after the blow, run down the street, and
rent a new apartment? I'm assuming you were unconscious for at least a few
minutes, or possibly longer.
I wrote:
> You had two major Solar-arc directions involving
> your directed angles:
>
> d. Asc. opposite n. Saturn (orb 0:30, separating)
> d. MC opposite n. Pluto (orb 0:32, separating)
I must admit that the Solar-arc Midheaven opposing natal Pluto is influencing
me to use 8:36 p.m. for the event time, because of the repetition of the
symbols (i.e., both the directed and the transiting Midheaven in strong aspect
to natal Pluto). But there are at least a few reasons why that sort of
assumption might be very unwise. For one thing, I'm using the longitudinal
positions, and it might be more accurate to use right ascensions, which would
show when natal Pluto was truly on the directed and transiting meridian axis.
And it's also true that your natal Pluto is on the transiting meridian twice a
day, but you certainly don't have a near-death experience twice each day!
I wrote:
> It's interesting that both aspects have almost the
> same orb-- including the fact that they're
> separating-- so adjusting your given time of birth
> would make them exact at almost the same time.
> Changing your birth time to 6:53 a.m. EDT-- just 2
> minutes earlier than your given time-- would make
> the orbs as follows:
>
> d. Asc. opposite n. Saturn (orb 0:04, applying)
> d. MC opposite n. Pluto (orb 0:02, separating)
Susan wrote:
> Do you think I should adjust my birthtime based on
> this to the 6:53 am that you mentioned? I trust your
> judgement Michael. And anyone could have written
> the birthtime incorrectly. Back then clocks weren't
> so accurate either.
You might consider adjusting your time of birth based on this one event, and 2
minutes is a reasonable time, assuming the person who recorded your time of
birth did so after you were actually delivered. But it would be better to
rectify your birth on the basis of several important events, rather than just
one. Personally, I prefer to use the times on birth certificates if they're
available, and consider them to be the "official" times of birth. Rectified
times of birth aren't "official," but they may work better. It's your chart,
so it's your call!
Susan wrote:
> I will have to try the A*C*G and see if it changes it
> any. By the way it was a severe blow to the head
> that did it if you were wondering. I will try to track
> down info if possible from my other friends and see
> what matches up.
As you've already discovered, a 2-minute difference doesn't change your A*C*G
map appreciably!
Michael Rideout