South Node Conjunct Another's Planet
Carolefarm
node of person A conjunct a planet in the chart of Person B. How does this
affect person A and how does it affect person B.
Thanks,
Carole
Jyeshta
Hi Carole, I have this link with an old friend. It's my SN
and my friend's Sun involved, with about a 3 degree orb.
It seemed to have a magnetic affect when we met in high school.
I was probably more affected (South Node) at that time. I
had strong feelings of love and attraction and admiration.
I think over the years my friend experienced me as somewhat
draining at times, although I'm not sure if that is directly
related to the South Node link. Anyway, we've ended up (still
friends) feeling like family, or spiritual family on my part.
It's a very strong bond, in my opinion. My friend and I
have little in the way of Ptolemaic Saturn links and I
attribute the endurance of the friendship to the SN link.
As contrast, I don't think I've ever had an enduring
friendship or relationship with anyone who's linked to
my NN.
--
Carolefarm
So the friendship has continued. That is one thing I am looking at. I haven't
reached any conclusions about this.
Carolefarm
Hi Heather!
The nodes being connected with the moon do seem to bring in feelings of the
familiar, comforting nurture, etc. That may be why some connect the lunar
nodes to past lives. If the moon represents the past, then is there a point
when we want to move forward and leave those "past" relationship? For example
transits of Jupiter or Uranus?
Also since Jupiter is exalted in Cancer, is there a point when the past and the
future dichotomy resolves itself?
Why I ask this is that I have heard that the South node is like a basket
emptying itself and when that basket is empty, that is it, there is no more to
give. But again, it seems that relationships should be more than that.
Just wondering.
Carole
Pete Phoenix
I've had these contacts so often it makes my head spin!
I look upon the South Node as that point in the chart that
relates to
our previous lives here. It stores all the unconscious material
that we've accumulated over aeons of time, so whenever we're
feeling stressed, we tend to fall back on these old behaviour
patterns (both sign and house) as a kind of "comfort zone", if
you will.
Of course, the South Node can also be the repository of hidden
talent and skill, but these are talents that should be used in
the service of developing the area of our North Node.
Whenever the South Node contacts a planet in someone else's
chart, you'll find a strong sense of attraction/repulsion going
on, depending on the planetary contact, of course.
There will be a definite sense of deep familiarity with each
other, but the planet person may well feel that the S.N. person
is acting as a kind of "drain" on his/her resources, be they
emotional, material or mental.
The S.N. person will feel encouraged to express old patterns of
behaviour in the company of the planet person ( especially with
the conjunction), so in many ways the relationship doesn't
encourage growth for the S.N. person, unless old skills are
revived.
Two examples:
My ex-wife's MC is conjunct my S.Node at 22 Cancer.
A dear friend and colleague (with whom I had a 12 month-long
relationship), has Jupiter at 22 Cancer on my S. Node. This is in
my 9th, and her 11th. We have always felt that we have known each
other in other lives, and that maybe we were even students
together in some learned academy. We travelled together and
shared workshops on astrology, and my "world-view" has certainly
been broadened due to her influence.
However we lived 200 miles apart, and my Cancerian need for
emotional security in the relationship felt constantly thwarted
by the distance between us. She is also very wealthy whereas I'm
not, and I think that that was also a stumbling block for us.
I've always believed that Jupiter, not Venus rules wealth.
Hope this helps :-)
Pete Phoenix.
" I don't want to achieve immortality through my work -
I want to achieve it through not dying."
- Woody Allen-
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> I would be interested in any comments regarding the above.
That is, the south
> node of person A conjunct a planet in the chart of Person B.
How does this
> affect person A and how does it affect person B.
>
> Thanks,
> Carole
>
Heather
and when it's empty it has no more to give? How does it empty
itself? As to transits of Jupiter and Uranus.. I don't follow you on that
either. If anything when TR. Uranus and/or Jupiter are aspecting
my nodes is when an important person comes in my life, although
I did get rid of a gal pal of mine when tr mars and tr.Jupiter conjoined my
south node
and opposed My Uranus in the 11th. but that was a relationship
that had no node connection by synastry to begin with. I just wanted
"freedom"
from dealing with her problems with her nutcase boyfriend... I'd had enough
of it..
BTW for grins I have tr.mercury conjunct my south node today.... <snicker>
Heather
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Kay
would have a lot to do with the reactions, though? I ask because I've
been looking at my chart compared to that of a friend, or really an
acquaintance. His south node is conjunct my Neptune. I hadn't given
that much notice. There are a number of other important parallels in
our charts: My sun conjunct his Venus, a close Sun/Mercury conjunction
in our composite charts, shared sunsign, moonsign and (probably) rising
signs in water.... And that's just some of it. But this discussion of
SN conjunctions made me look at that, too, and I did notice there is
one. His SN is conjunct my 9th house Neptune--and yes, there are
certain religio-spiritual overtones. This relationship is rather
peculiar because I'd never have expected us to meet, much less have
anything in common...until I looked at our charts.
Comments? Is the SN/Neptune worth considering? Or too impersonal to
figure in?
Heather
Thanks for posting!
Heather
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>Carolefarm wrote:
>>
>> I would be interested in any comments regarding the above. That is, the
south
>> node of person A conjunct a planet in the chart of Person B. How does
this
>> affect person A and how does it affect person B.
>
>Hi Carole,
>
>Not too long ago I saved an excellent article from the ACT list, here is
>an excerpt from it on nodal contacts:
>
>~~~~~
>A Tale of the Dragon, by Pat Geisler
>
>All enduring relationships that I have ever seen have some kind of nodal
>ties from one chart to the other. Any relationship without them simply
>does not last. I have seen this repeatedly in decades of doing charts.
>
>.... When the nodes contact planets, the relationship takes on the
>quality of the planet. For instance, a nodal tie to Mercury often
>ititiates a conversational tie or a classroom introduction. Today's
>internet is definitely a Mercury contact and when an acquaintance is
>begun there, expect to see some Mercury activation. If the relationship
>develops and deepens and endures, look for the nodes to be at work.
>
>Marriages that endure always have strong nodal ties between the two
>people. Sometimes they are node to node, or one person's node to the
>other's MC/IC axis, showing they share the same goals in life.
>
>Nodes to Saturn have special meaning. Anyone whose Saturn falls on your
>north node gives you good advice and will be a help to you at some
>important time in your life. These are excellent contacts between you
>and someone who serves your needs -- a nurse, a financial advisor, a
>lawyer, or the like.
>
>Saturn to the south node is a practically unbreakable tie in this life.
>It shows some important lessons will be learned through the relationship
>and it will bring heavy obligation at some point.
>
>.... When the north node falls on the Venus of one person, it shows
>benefit to both. When the south node falls on Venus, it shows the Venus
>person does a lot of giving. The node person has to work hard to match
>it, or the relationship gets lopsided quickly.
>
>One person's malefics to the other's south node can be a warning to the
>south node person -- Neptune can lie, Mars can injure, Pluto can blab
>confidential information, Uranus can vanish forever at the blink of an
>eye.
>
>Sun and Moon contacts to the nodes provide instant sympathy/friendship
>and usually benefit. They ensure strong relationship possibilities.
>~~~~~
>
>Hope this has been helpful! I thought the article was quite
>interesting.
>
>Karin
>
LAWRENCE SWAIN
----- Original Message -----
From: "LAWRENCE SWAIN" <l.c....@worldnet.att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology.moderated
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: South Node Conjunct Another's Planet
> Hi, Carole. I agree with Jyeshta: I have the same kind of synastry link
with
> two of my daughters and a few close friends, and I have also noted the
South
> Node link as more prevalent between clients whose relationships have been
> close and/or lasting than with no nodal link, and definitely easier than
the
> North Node connection in almost all cases I've seen.
>
> My oldest daughter's So.Node is exactly on my Nadir, which is also the
> midpoint of my Sun/Mercury conjunction. We are very close, seem to be able
> to communicate without words and almost never "cross" each other.
> Conversely, my youngest has her N.Node on my Mercury (by 2 min!) and we
have
> great difficulty in understanding each other -- to the extent that we feel
> uncomfortable in each other's company most of the time.
>
> My hunch is (and I say "hunch" because I have not done rigorous testing of
> this phenomena) that South Node connections bring a "comfort level"
between
> two people of a type, nature, and/or area of life described by the
> conjuncting planet(s) and the houses involved. I believe that the North
Node
> connection is just as strong, but the two people will tend to constantly
> challenge each other in some way.
>
> Larry
>
> "Carolefarm" <carol...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20000202093658...@ng-cp1.aol.com...
> > I would be interested in any comments regarding the above. That is, the
> south
> > node of person A conjunct a planet in the chart of Person B. How does
> this
> > affect person A and how does it affect person B.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Carole
> >
>
>
LAWRENCE SWAIN
----- Original Message -----
From: "LAWRENCE SWAIN" <l.c....@worldnet.att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology.moderated
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: South Node Conjunct Another's Planet
>
> "Carolefarm" <carol...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > >>>By the way my south node is in my 5th.>>>
> >
> > Hi Heather!
> >
> > The nodes being connected with the moon do seem to bring in feelings of
> the
> > familiar, comforting nurture, etc. That may be why some connect the
lunar
> > nodes to past lives. If the moon represents the past, then is there a
> point
> > when we want to move forward and leave those "past" relationship? For
> example
> > transits of Jupiter or Uranus?
> >
> > Also since Jupiter is exalted in Cancer, is there a point when the past
> and the
> > future dichotomy resolves itself?
> >
> > Why I ask this is that I have heard that the South node is like a basket
> > emptying itself and when that basket is empty, that is it, there is no
> more to
> > give. But again, it seems that relationships should be more than that.
> >
> > Just wondering.
> > Carole
> >
>
> Hi, Carole.
>
> Sorry to interrupt your conversation with Heather, but I just have to ask:
> where did you hear that the S.Node is a basket that can be emptied? I've
> never heard it described that way before, and the notion that when it is
> empty there is "no more to give" sounds particularly depressing to me.
> Nothing I've ever encountered would encourage me to believe that it could
be
> true unless we completely stopped assimilating anything new. And that, to
> me, is the very definition of death!
> In "The Astrology of Personality" Dane Rudhyar described the nodes of
> the planets -- particularly those of the Moon, as it represents the
> substance of who we are as a product of who we've been and all we've ever
> done -- as operating like psychic digestive tracts. He described the South
> Node as the "path of least resistance"; what we know, what we've
accumulated
> through *past* effort, and thus what we're most comfortable with. He
> described it as the "exhaust" while the North Node is where we "intake"
what
> is new for us; where we "eat" new experience, knowledge, etc. through the
> expenditure of effort. This new substance is then assimilated by us into
our
> "status quo" and is thus a part of our vital reserves which we can use, or
> "exhaust", through the South Node. Like all things in the universe it is
> cyclical -- in one end & out the other! I sincerely believe that this is
an
> accurate description, because it describes the operation of ALL dynamical
> systems, from micro to macro. It also has been expanded upon by many
notable
> astrologers, such as Jeffery Wolf Green.
> I believe that we can only "run out of gas" if we for some reason
> "forget to fill up" or, perhaps, if what we "filled up" with didn't agree
> with us (psychic constipation?). As for relationships, I don't think the
> synastry of ANY points (or transits, either) determines *when* we "run
> out" -- I think that's up to our own individual choices. I stubbornly
> continue to believe that our problems, as The Bard said so eloquently, are
> not in our stars, but in ourselves!
>
> Larry
>
>
Carolefarm
to make statements such as these and not quote a source. I believe I heard
this from in a lecture and I am not sure of the source.
However, I scanned through several books and found an interesting Indian
Source "Introduction to Esoteric Astrology by Bepin Behari and Madhuri Behari."
The Chapter "Ketu: The Mysterious Splendour" and refers to the Indian
tradition of Mars ruling the South Node and Saturn ruling the North Node.
They also give a bit of an Indian Myth which stated that when the gods were
churning up the ocean, when nectar was obtained and the devas were partaking,
then Rahu-Ketu unit entered and shared some of the same. This was considered
as deceit, so the demon (Rahu-Ketu) was beheaded and the Head became Rahu and
the trunk Ketu. The authors go on to discuss several words connected with Ketu
– Tamas, Dwajah and Sikhin. Tamas is not considered as ordinary darkness which
follows every day but it is that "avaran shakti" which covers divine light. It
is the illusion that allows the manifested universe to be seen. Sikhin refers
to arrow. So there is a mystery there with the nodes. This source does not
treat the south node as benefic, but shows that it allows us to "see" the
manifested universe. The North Node was related more to the head in the myth.
At one time they were one, but because they tried to share the food of the
gods, they were considered deceitful and were cut into.
Mohan Koparker in his book on Lunar Nodes speaks of the south node as creating
a vacuum and the north node as being the expression of that which comes in
through the south node.
So there is a connection between the nodes, but in the myth the two were cut
apart because of their act which was considered deceitful.
Carole
Carole
LAWRENCE SWAIN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Sarantos" <au...@efortress.com>
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Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: South Node Conjunct Another's Planet
> Hi Larry,
> Since we are talking nodes...
> I was wondering what your take would be with mine here. I am currently
> having a major problemo in paradise.
> A whole lotta node connections. My Mars sits on his
> Chiron and his S. node (one tip of the 2 Grand trines we share his 5th
house
> my 10th) which in turn opposes his stellium (in my 4th house and his 11th)
> of Sun, Pluto, N. node, Mercury, Uranus which my Pluto sits in the middle
> of. My S. node is in his 8th house and my 12th. (And you know that Taurus
> stellium will be there in May) My N. node is at the start of his 2nd
house.
> Thanks, Susan
Hmmm. I'd really like to see the whole charts, Susan, as I'm kinda confused
about the positions and I need to know how close his stellium is, exactly
where his N.Node falls in it, how closely his Chiron and your Mars conjunct
his S.Node and oppose his Sun/Pluto,how close the trines are & what other
planets, etc, etc..
Everybody born within a few years of each other will have Pluto within a
few degrees of each other, so the effect of your Pluto on his N.Node is
virtually nil. However, Sun/Pluto people are powerful, and Sun/Pluto conj.
N.Node would be consumed with consuming,generally. How he actually works
that out depends on his level of conscious maturity and how it all plays in
his chart, but I think it's safe to say you could easily feel overpowered by
his Sun/Pluto. Is his Sun/Pluto in Leo or Virgo? If it's Leo he could be
REALLY dominant and imposing, even if he's otherwise a saint. Which might
make you feel like you need to use that Mars to defend yourself. Remember
that the two of you have a Sun/Pluto and Mars opposition and that can be
combative and explosive, and if you activate your Mars you may be aiming at
his Sun/Pluto but your gonna score on his Wound (Chiron) which is the
position he's held onto in pain for a long time (Chiron on So.Node: The
Wounded One). You may not intend to, but that Mars getting combative on his
deepend wounds could scare him into REALLY coming down on you with his
Sun/Pluto, or to go completely the other way and remove the threat by
"consuming" you with his greatness/understanding/sainthood (With "helping
you transform your paranoid defensiveness" by convincing you to drop it
and...oops, where did Susan disappear to?).
This is all very hypothetical, because I need to see your whole charts,
as I said. It's a "could be, maybe" but I said the above because your
situation "could be, maybe" a powderkeg! And, of course, your problemo could
be something else entirely -- for one, I don't know how your other planets
aspect your Mars and how you use it, generally! If you want me to look a
little deeper, you can send me your birth info (for both of you) to my
e-mail address. Or post it if you don't mind it out in the group.
Larry S.
mam_...@my-deja.com
Nice thread and interesting view. What is your opinion on A's
Saturn/Mars conjunction in 12th house exactly conjunct B's South Node?
It's a question that has been puzzling me for some time now.
Regards,
Julie.
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LAWRENCE SWAIN
handle on what you meant now (but still not great!), which is more from the
Eastern approach and hard for me to interpret most of the time. I feel a lot
like Ray in his response to Andrei's post, *the purpose of Western
astrology..* -- the Eastern stuff is like a foreign language!
I get the Mars/Saturn rulerships, makes a lot of sense if you see the
S.Node as where we act out (Mars) what we've previously assimilated, and
Saturn as discipline/effort/striving/personal responsibility, which is
necessary to activate the N.Node. But the myth is really difficult for me
because almost everything in Eastern myth always seems backwards to me, like
the Koparker statement about things "coming in" through the S.Node when I
(and virtually all Western astrologers) see that happening at the N.Node.
The astrologer who got me started operates equally well in both schools
(he lives in an ashram), and I remember him explaining some things to me
that helped me understand a little better, but only in broad philosophical
terms. He said that often we westerners have difficulty understanding
Eastern philosophy and traditions because we have a harder time dealing with
dualities than Easterners. For instance, while we think of the male nature
as purely outgoing and expressive in it's *essential* nature and balanced by
the feminine as receptive, the Eastern tradition sees the male as aggressive
only objectively or materially and what he's really doing is receiving from
the feminine on the spiritual level, and visa-versa. They see masculine and
feminine as intrinsically balanced within themselves, and contributing to a
greater balance on a superior (spiritual) level in their interaction (sounds
a lot like Holism, doesn't it?). Thus, as they are seeking spiritual
enlightenment, they tend towards describing things as they believe things to
be happening on that spiritual level, rather than the objective/material
level which we use to describe things (or, our "default level", if you
will). So, as Mars acts in the objective world, it is really "taking in" the
feminine on the spiritual level.
O.K., so I can get it if I try really hard. Thing is, it's too much like
trying to do quantum physics using base 17: too much translating into that
foreign language and I give up in frustration! And I still don't understand
your description of the S.Node as a "basket emptying" in light of Koparker's
description of the S.Node as "where we take in".
Dazed and Confused (Larry)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolefarm" <carol...@aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology.moderated
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: South Node Conjunct Another's Planet
> Thank you Lawrence for catching me on this one. I know it isn't a good
thing
> to make statements such as these and not quote a source. I believe I
heard
> this from in a lecture and I am not sure of the source.
>
> However, I scanned through several books and found an interesting
Indian
> Source "Introduction to Esoteric Astrology by Bepin Behari and Madhuri
Behari."
> The Chapter "Ketu: The Mysterious Splendour" and refers to the Indian
> tradition of Mars ruling the South Node and Saturn ruling the North Node.
> They also give a bit of an Indian Myth which stated that when the gods
were
> churning up the ocean, when nectar was obtained and the devas were
partaking,
> then Rahu-Ketu unit entered and shared some of the same. This was
considered
> as deceit, so the demon (Rahu-Ketu) was beheaded and the Head became Rahu
and
> the trunk Ketu. The authors go on to discuss several words connected with
Ketu
> - Tamas, Dwajah and Sikhin. Tamas is not considered as ordinary darkness
Pete Phoenix
I can only speculate and say that this would seem like a
difficult relationship.
Mars conjunct Saturn in the 12th hints at unconscious fears and
anger. This is stuff that could erupt into consciousness at
inopportune moments, ruining relationships.
What sign is this? Sag?
Anyway, the S. Node triggering this could be an indication that
'B' 's habits and "comfort zone" somehow trip the Mars/Saturn in
'A'
An inability to understand certain compulsive behaviour patterns,
since most of what goes on could be erupting from the unconscious
levels.
Possible past-life involvement in violence or danger that gives
both people a "feeling" of mistrust or free-floating anxiety that
neither can put their fingers on.
The Mars/Saturn may wish to subtly try to dominate the S. Node,
or the S.N may subtly wish to exploit any angry or fearful
feelings in Mars/Saturn.
Like I said Julie, I'm just speculating here. It would be hard to
put all this into context without looking at the rest of the
synastry, but I think that would be the gist of it.
Ring any bells?
Pete Phoenix.
" I don't want to achieve immortality through my work -
I want to achieve it through not dying."
- Woody Allen-
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an unconventional father vs. conventional daughter relationship which
is indeed frustrating for both. It seems like they are from different
planets, hardly any soul connection. The daughter has the Saturn/Mars
conjunction in Aries at 22 degrees in 12th conjuncting her father's
south node (in his 5th house in his natal horoscope). Thanks again for
your insight!
sun neptune girl
Who will feel and want the most you think?
Me: 11.26.70
12:01 p.m
69N42 18E58
(Tromsų)
Him: 08.20.76
09:02 p.m
68N46 16E30
(Harstad)
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<kjel...@online.no> wrote:
>What is it between me and this guy (except my s.node conj. his sun in mighty Leo) that gives it a flare of destiny?
>Who will feel and want the most you think?
In my experience there isn't anything else needed for that feeling of
destiny than a nodal contact. It can be harder to deal with for the
person with the *planet* conj the other's node, at least in the case
of the NN. do you find that you (with the SN find it more fated, or
does he?)
sun neptune girl
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Yes, man, I'm looking for other reasons I feed on him as soul food, I have no particular reason to do so.
It can't be all about the node connection? He has his moon in conj. my northern node, how does that add
to this then? And his desc is in cancer, hmm, does he need me after all, I mean does he need me like I
need him? Tons of questions here. If you want to answer I'll be glad. =)
sun neptune girl
OOh I am on to him and he's reluctant.
Why?
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