Fw: Mass Stellium in Taurus May 2000
SeaGt...@aol.com
> From: wate...@msn.com (Tony Waterfall)
[snip]
> Stellium Taurus 2000
>
> In the year 2000 the Zodiacal Sign of Taurus will hold 7 Astrologically
> recognized Moving Bodies at one time.
>
> The Sun, Moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn.
>
> This Mass Stellium (6 or more Moving Bodies) of 7 lasts for a period of 13
> hours 15 Minutes.
>
> The Moon is the last of the 7 to enter Taurus, May 2, 2000, 10:47 PM, PDT
> causing a Sun, Moon and 5 Planet Mass Stellium in Taurus.
>
> The first to leave thus breaking up the Mass Stellium of 7 is Mars on May
> 3, 2000 at 12:02 PM, PDT.
>
> On May 5, 2000, 00:12 AM PDT. the Moon exitsTaurus leaving the Sun,
> Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Saturn to hold the Stellium.
>
> The entering and leaving Motions of the Moving Bodies show both the
> building to the moment of Mass Stellium and the dissipation.
>
> Moon enters Taurus, May 2, 2000, 10:47 PM, PDT, Vancouver, Canada.
> Mars exits Taurus, May 3, 2000, 12:02 PM, PDT, Vancouver, Canada.
> Point of Minimum Cusp, May 2, 2000, 09:59 PM, PDT, Vancouver, Canada.
>
> Often when we get these Mass Stelliums, the Moon or a Planet is just
> entering or leaving the Sign of the Mass Stellium.
>
> In this case it is the speed of the Moon through Taurus (25 Hours 25
> Minutes) and the closeness of Mars to the Cusp of Gemini (13 Hours 15
> Minutes) that will signify the duration of the Mass Stellium.
>
> The Moment when the House Cusps for both the Moon and Mars are equal is
> May 2, 2000, 09:59 PM PDT.
>
> There will be Conjunctions through this Mass Stellium that will lead to
> the Conjunction of the last two remaining Planets in Taurus, Jupiter and
> Saturn, May 28, 2000.
>
> It is interesting that the stellium started building with the entrance of
> Saturn into Taurus June 8, 1998 and ends with the exit of Saturn April 20,
> 2001.
>
> To give two other perspectives:
>
> May 10, 2000, 2:21 PM PST, 49N16, 123W07, Heliocentric, Tropical:
>
> Venus 00Taurus15
> Jupiter 18Taurus08
> Saturn 20Taurus27
> Mercury 29Taurus45
>
>
> May 3, 2000, 0:29 AM, PST, 49N16, 123W07, Geocentric, Sidereal
> (Fagen-Allen)
>
> Moon 07Aries16
> Venus 08Aries01
> Mercury 11Aries44
> Sun 18Aries28
> Jupiter 21Aries59
> Saturn 24Aries44
>
>
> In all three charts Geocentric Tropical, Heliocentric Tropical, and
> Geocentric Sidereal all planets are in Direct Motion signifying a positive
> event.
>
>
> Tony Waterfall, astrologer
rga...@bellsouth.net
LA., My 12th house cusp is Taurus 3"11". Saturn has just entered that house and
everything seems to be falling apart. I just wonder what a transiting stellum
would produce? I have natal Sun and Mercury in that house. The 12th house
figures heavily in my chart, its issues are so vague and untouchable, any
suggestions as to what to expect?
Robert
Claire-France Perez
fowarding this post from Tony Waterfall. > > > From: wate...@msn.com (Tony
Waterfall) > [snip] > > Stellium Taurus 2000 > > > > In the year 2000 the
Zodiacal Sign of Taurus will hold 7 Astrologically > > recognized Moving
last 100 years? The last 200? CF Perez
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How many? I have not carried out that piece of research (but I did see a
post by Keera A.Fox that said 14 in the last 1000 years) but a regular
Stellium of three Planets happens quite often and if you are including
Asteroids the regularity increases. I have called the May 2000 a Mass
Stellium because it holds 7 Planets.
On May 14, 1999 we had Sun, Moon, Mercury, Saturn and the Asteroid Pallas in
Taurus, a fairly strong Stellium. This Stellium represented 4 of the
Planets that will regroup in May 2000 to form the Mass Stellium. Saturn is
the
only one of the group that will not leave Taurus but will wait until the
Planets
return to form a regrouping with others added.
When the May 2000 Stellium starts both the Moon and Mars are Cuspal with
the
Moon at 00Taurus00 and Mars 29Taurus36 bringing in both Aries and Gemini
influences. As the stellium unfolds two actions are at play the conjunctions
within the Stellium and outside angular interaction. The interaction I would
watch would come from the Moving Bodies that are Retrograde at the time.
Pluto at 12Sagittarius18Rx will involve the Moon, Venus, Mercury and the
Sun. The Asteroid Hygeia 08Sagittarius17Rx and Chiron 16Sagittarius13Rx also
interact with the early degrees. a strong Sagittarius to Taurus interaction.
The Moons Nodes, North 28Cancer33Rx, South 28Capricorn33Rx and Asteroid
Ceres 25Virgo30Rx play a later role as the Stellium dissipates. Both Neptune
06Aquarius34 and Uranus 20Aquarius37 team up to help the Stellium.
The Stellium of May carries predictions as extreme as the earth being
knocked off its axis. Since all of the Planets within the Stellium are in
Direct Motion this will have a more positive effect. Often when a large
Stellium
occurs disaster is predicted but usually the Stellium does not produce this
in fact when more than one planet is in a sign on a personal level there is
a mellowing as the person has a wider understanding of the influence of the
sign and is more comfortable.
Regards
Tony Waterfall,astrologer
Claire-France Perez <cf_p...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
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> In article <821bdcb3...@aol.com>, SeaGt...@aol.com wrote:> I'm
> fowarding this post from Tony Waterfall.> > > From: wate...@msn.com
(Tony
> Waterfall)> [snip]> > Stellium Taurus 2000> >> > In the year 2000 the
> Zodiacal Sign of Taurus will hold 7 Astrologically> > recognized Moving
> Bodies at one time.Tony --How many such stelliums have occurred in the
> last 100 years? The last 200?CF Perez
Keera A. Fox
> How many? I have not carried out that piece of research (but I did see a
> post by Keera A.Fox that said 14 in the last 1000 years) but a regular
> Stellium of three Planets happens quite often and if you are including
> Asteroids the regularity increases. I have called the May 2000 a Mass
> Stellium because it holds 7 Planets.
For the record: I did not come up with that figure. Someone else (here)
did the research and posted it; I would only have quoted it. I'm sorry
that I can't remember who.
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Paul Reeder
In 1941, there were 6 planets in Taurus with Mercury conjunct the sun (part
of the stellium) from late Aries. Not a direct answer to your question,
but enough to show that these lines ups are not all that rare.
On the other hand, given whats going on in eastern Europe isn't it rather
eerie having another line up in Taurus like one that occurred in 1941?
Paul Reeder
pro...@banet.net
event that made Jeanne Dixon believe that the Aquarius age had started.
[]s,
Star Hunter
>We also had the seven "sacred planets" aligned in Aquarius in Feb 4-5
1962, an
>event that made Jeanne Dixon believe that the Aquarius age had started.
>
Dear Procyon:
What an interesting post!
I always feel intrigued about the starting point of the Aquarius Age. For
that reason I did the chart for Feb 5 1962 (Besides the fascinating fact
that it was the year that I was born ;-)
If Ms Dixon was right or not I have not way of knowing but most definitely
I feel inclined to agree with her. Some pointers:
1) Uranus is the only planet Void of Course (Not counting minor aspects or
aspects to asteroids -it opposes Chiron and square couple of others)
2) Uranus is in the 29 degrees (Retrograde) of Leo, the sign that it
opposes Aquarius, its ruled sign.
3) The main chunk of the stellium (Mercury, Sun, Jupiter, Venus and at some
point the moon of course) squares Neptune the ruler of Pisces, the
preceding Age. The Stelium oppose Uranus by sign but not by aspect.
4) The new moon occurred on Feb 4th at 7:10 p.m.. This moon is called by
the Chinese "Tiger Moon". The Tiger is the correlation of the Aquarius
sign. Add to this that new moon started the Lunar year that for 1962
was=The Year of the Tiger. Of course, the new Moon took place in Aquarius.
5) The south node is in Aquarius almost at the middle of the sign
6) Somebody born on that dates would have a chart like this:
SUN = AQUARIUS
MOON = AQUARIUS
MERCURY = AQUARIUS
VENUS = AQUARIUS
MARS = AQUARIUS
JUPITER = AQUARIUS
SATURN = AQUARIUS
URANUS = LEO
NEPTUNE = SCORPIO
PLUTO = VIRGO
(See the consecutive order from inner to outer planets?)
7) Add to this the fellows born with Aquarius ascendant :)
&
8) The Sun is at 15 degrees Aquarius (the middle of the journey through the
Sign.
I could makes some further comments regarding the "meaning" behind all of
this but prefer to let the NG give feedback on this subject
John H. Roth Jr.
An interesting alignment, truely. However, I have my doubts about the
entire concept of the "Aquarian Age".
Some time ago, someone (I forget who) tabulated several dozen
different times for the beginning of the "Aquarian Age". Most of them
depended on where you put the starting point of the author's favorite
version of the sidereal zodiac. Using the sidereal zodiacs currently
most favored (fagan-bradley in the west, Lahari or similar in India),
the Aries point will not exit Pisces for another couple of hundred
years. Rob Hand is on record as saying that the Vernal Equinox will
not leave the **constellation** of Pisces for another 500 or so years!
This is really **constellation**, not sign!
While what follows is not, strictly speaking, astrology, I think it
has a real bearing on the issue. I've been a student of something
called the "Michael Teaching" for the last 15 or so years. They have
been pointing out that the world is shifting a level of conciousness
from what they call "young soul" to "mature soul". The transition
started several decades ago, and will take most of the next century to
complete.
Most people are unconciously aware of the ongoing transition. They
tend to latch onto anything in "the way the world works" for them as
an explanation. Astrologers will look to astrology, religious
fundamentalists will look to "bible prophecy", etc.
This is not to say that astrological configurations such as the 1962
one mentioned above, or the August 1999 one, are not helping to push
the transition. They are. But they aren't the cause.
The cause is that, reincarnationally speaking, we are growing up a
bit, and it is time to remodel the assumptions governing the world to
again match the majority.
John H. Roth Jr.
Dan Kettler
<star-...@hotbot.com> wrote:
>pro...@banet.net wrote in message <375C7842...@banet.net>...
We also had the seven "sacred planets" aligned
in Aquarius in Feb 4-5 1962...
I wonder what people in this Newsgroup think of my description of the
New Age at...
http://www.psicounsel.com/newage1.html
In the above referenced article, I show some of the manifestations of
the New Age occurring now. I point out what each age is, in terms of
time, and what maifestations existed for some of the previous ages.
Interesting article about the Aug 11, 1999 SOLAR ECLIPSE, calling it
"one of the most dramatic Alignments of this century." It's in
MOUNTAIN ASTROLOGER Magazine.
"The grand cross activates the heart of the four fixed signs of the
zodiac."
--
how the newsgroups
relate to
the paranormal ufo research
spirituality and astrology
http://www.psicounsel.com/news
Paul Reeder
John H. Roth Jr. <john...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:30:03 CST, in alt.astrology.moderated Star
>
> An interesting alignment, truly. However, I have my doubts about the
> entire concept of the "Aquarian Age".
>
> Using the sidereal zodiacs currently
> most favored (Fagan-Bradley in the west, Lahari or similar in India),
> the Aries point will not exit Pisces for another couple of hundred
> years. Rob Hand is on record as saying that the Vernal Equinox will
> not leave the **constellation** of Pisces for another 500 or so years!
> This is really **constellation**, not sign!
>
In fact, Hand precesses all the cardinal points and has referred to this
modern time as the age of Ophiuchus as the winter solstice point touched
the foot of Ophiuchus in the 1930's I think. The difference between
Constellations, Sidereal Signs, and Signs of the Zodiac is essential to
understand what he is saying. We, as a culture, long ago invested the
constellations with stories, myths, that describe the human nature.
Now, having projected these stories on the heavens, we act them out as
individuals and in groups. While most of the written material on this
subject is in reference to groups - tribes and nations - I have seen it
applied usefully to individual charts. By plotting the entire heavens
in a rectangular map, one can project those parts of the chart not on
the ecliptic, such as the zenith, and find other constellations and even
specific stars connected to the individual's birth moment. The
resulting stories' ability to tell the story of the individual has been
impressive.
> While what follows is not, strictly speaking, astrology, I think it
> has a real bearing on the issue. I've been a student of something
> called the "Michael Teaching" for the last 15 or so years. They have
> been pointing out that the world is shifting a level of consciousness
> from what they call "young soul" to "mature soul". The transition
> started several decades ago, and will take most of the next century to
> complete.
>
Developing the technology to extend our view and reach into the universe
began around the 16th century. That has to be the beginning point for a
process of transition. But have you ever noticed that from Saturn's
entrance into Scorpio in 1953 began a 40 year period where nearly
everyone born has Scorpio karma? Saturn, then Neptune, as Neptune steps
out Jupiter steps in, a break in the early 70's, then Uranus in '75,
then as Uranus steps out, Jupiter steps in, as Jupiter leaves, Saturn is
back around. Finally, Pluto enters in 1983 and stays in Scorpio until
1994 when Jupiter is back in Scorpio.
Now this amounts to a generation inhabiting the earth with the karma of
power, the tendency to act out hurt and outrage accumulated from
experiences of abuse, the need for control, suspicion, lack of trust,
sexual compulsion, the need for forgiveness to be shared, to break the
cycle of lose-lose, lose-win, win-lose, power scenes and develop the
relating skills needed to live the win-win lifestyle. Perhaps a purging
of thousands of years of cultural raping and pillaging within one
generation would take on apocalyptic proportions.
> Most people are unconsciously aware of the ongoing transition. They
> tend to latch onto anything in "the way the world works" for them as
> an explanation. Astrologers will look to astrology, religious
> fundamentalists will look to "bible prophecy", etc.
>
> This is not to say that astrological configurations such as the 1962
> one mentioned above, or the August 1999 one, are not helping to push
> the transition. They are. But they aren't the cause.
>
> The cause is that, reincarnationally speaking, we are growing up a
> bit, and it is time to remodel the assumptions governing the world to
> again match the majority.
>
> John H. Roth Jr.
Good article John H Roth Jr
Paul Reeder
ICQ #1496309
John H. Roth Jr.
Reeder wrote:
>Hello John and all,
>
>
>John H. Roth Jr. <john...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>news:375d0224...@mailhost.chi.ameritech.net...
>> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:30:03 CST, in alt.astrology.moderated Star
>>
>> An interesting alignment, truly. However, I have my doubts about the
>> entire concept of the "Aquarian Age".
>>
>> Using the sidereal zodiacs currently
>> most favored (Fagan-Bradley in the west, Lahari or similar in India),
>> the Aries point will not exit Pisces for another couple of hundred
>> years. Rob Hand is on record as saying that the Vernal Equinox will
>> not leave the **constellation** of Pisces for another 500 or so years!
>> This is really **constellation**, not sign!
>>
>
>In fact, Hand precesses all the cardinal points and has referred to this
>modern time as the age of Ophiuchus as the winter solstice point touched
>the foot of Ophiuchus in the 1930's I think. The difference between
>Constellations, Sidereal Signs, and Signs of the Zodiac is essential to
>understand what he is saying. We, as a culture, long ago invested the
>constellations with stories, myths, that describe the human nature.
He did indeed (great lecture, I have the tape). Partially, this is
based on the notion that the winter solstice has been gaining in
strength at the expense of the Vernal Equinox ever since the Gregorian
calender shifted the beginning of the year to January 1 from March
something.
There are some other modern astrologers that have noticed the same
thing: the Winter solstice charts are stronger than the Vernal Equinox
charts for mundane work.
Ophiucus is the Serpent Handler, and he related it specifically to
atomic energy I believe (without going back to my notes to verify it)
that the first contact with a star in Ophiucus was in 1942! However,
remember that popular interest in psychology began with Freud, who is
essentially contemporaneous with the Curies and the discovery of
Radium. While Freud had predecessors, they didn't come close to his
level of popularity.
>
>Now, having projected these stories on the heavens, we act them out as
>individuals and in groups. While most of the written material on this
>subject is in reference to groups - tribes and nations - I have seen it
>applied usefully to individual charts. By plotting the entire heavens
>in a rectangular map, one can project those parts of the chart not on
>the ecliptic, such as the zenith, and find other constellations and even
>specific stars connected to the individual's birth moment. The
>resulting stories' ability to tell the story of the individual has been
>impressive.
That is indeed impressive. Is this written up anywhere? Is there any
software for it? Inquiring minds want to know. --Really - there is
usually a question about this every few months, and a huge silence in
response.
John H. Roth Jr.
>
>> While what follows is not, strictly speaking, astrology, I think it
>> has a real bearing on the issue. I've been a student of something
>> called the "Michael Teaching" for the last 15 or so years. They have
>> been pointing out that the world is shifting a level of consciousness
>> from what they call "young soul" to "mature soul". The transition
>> started several decades ago, and will take most of the next century to
>> complete.
>>
>
>Developing the technology to extend our view and reach into the universe
>began around the 16th century. That has to be the beginning point for a
>process of transition. But have you ever noticed that from Saturn's
>entrance into Scorpio in 1953 began a 40 year period where nearly
>everyone born has Scorpio karma? Saturn, then Neptune, as Neptune steps
>out Jupiter steps in, a break in the early 70's, then Uranus in '75,
>then as Uranus steps out, Jupiter steps in, as Jupiter leaves, Saturn is
>back around. Finally, Pluto enters in 1983 and stays in Scorpio until
>1994 when Jupiter is back in Scorpio.
>
>Now this amounts to a generation inhabiting the earth with the karma of
>power, the tendency to act out hurt and outrage accumulated from
>experiences of abuse, the need for control, suspicion, lack of trust,
>sexual compulsion, the need for forgiveness to be shared, to break the
>cycle of lose-lose, lose-win, win-lose, power scenes and develop the
>relating skills needed to live the win-win lifestyle. Perhaps a purging
>of thousands of years of cultural raping and pillaging within one
>generation would take on apocalyptic proportions.
It mostly doesn't need purging, fortunately. It needs learning, and
that's coming up quickly.
>
>> Most people are unconsciously aware of the ongoing transition. They
>> tend to latch onto anything in "the way the world works" for them as
>> an explanation. Astrologers will look to astrology, religious
>> fundamentalists will look to "bible prophecy", etc.
>>
>> This is not to say that astrological configurations such as the 1962
>> one mentioned above, or the August 1999 one, are not helping to push
>> the transition. They are. But they aren't the cause.
>>
>> The cause is that, reincarnationally speaking, we are growing up a
>> bit, and it is time to remodel the assumptions governing the world to
>> again match the majority.
Whats also rather interesting about this whole thing is that the first
three levels of Michael's "Mature Soul conciousness" have come into
existence sequentially in this century. Thats not to say that people
didn't do them before, but they weren't in the public conciousness as
issues in the same way.
The first level is about personality integraton, and living in respect
with yourself. That started to really impinge on public conciousness
with Freud.
The second level has to do with living with intimate partners - what
we usually call "relationships". Thats been in the public eye for the
last couple of decades. The transition point between "formal"
husband/wife relationships and today's "respect" based ideals probably
came with the liberalization of the divorce laws. Of course, you could
trace it back to Elanor of Aquatain and the concept of "Courtly Love",
but that didn't really affect how most people lived their lives.
The third level has to do with relationships with coworkers and others
that are not quite so "intimate". You can't go anywhere these days
without tripping over another seminar on how to restructure the work
environment.
>>
>> John H. Roth Jr.
>
>Good article John H Roth Jr
>
>Paul Reeder
>ICQ #1496309
John H. Roth Jr.
>
>
Paul Reeder
John H. Roth Jr. <john...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> >
> >Now, having projected these stories on the heavens, we act them out
as
> >individuals and in groups. While most of the written material on
this
> >subject is in reference to groups - tribes and nations - I have seen
it
> >applied usefully to individual charts. By plotting the entire
heavens
> >in a rectangular map, one can project those parts of the chart not on
> >the ecliptic, such as the zenith, and find other constellations and
even
> >specific stars connected to the individual's birth moment. The
> >resulting stories' ability to tell the story of the individual has
been
> >impressive.
>
> That is indeed impressive. Is this written up anywhere? Is there any
> software for it? Inquiring minds want to know. --Really - there is
> usually a question about this every few months, and a huge silence in
> response.
>
Its been some time. I met the man doing it at the New Side of the Moon
conference in Santa Fe, NM, in 1982 (during the Saturn Pluto
conjunction). He would plot the chart on a rectangular map of the
heavens. You know what I mean. The ecliptic is represented by a wavy
line. This chart lets all points, even those north or south of the
ecliptic to be placed. He would then simply read from a book on the
star lore or ancient stories told or related to the specific stars
contacting the vertex or east point or zenith, etc. The results were
impressive, judging by the reactions of those he read. He did not do
detailed pychological analysis or predictions. He simply told the
stories, allowed them to have their effect, and then listened to peoples
responses like good counselor would.
I ordered a chart, paid for it, waited expectantly for it to come in the
mail, but sadly it never showed up. I had no further contact with that
astrologer. I did go out and look for the book he was using. I think it
was "Star Names - Their Lore and Meaning" by Richard Hinkley Allen,
1899. I would be interested in learning of other literature delineating
the stories associated with the stars and constellations.
Paul Reeder
ICQ #1496309
CVFay
>I would be interested in learning of other literature delineating
>the stories associated with the stars and constellations.
At the NCGR Conf here in NYC last weekend, there were two astrologers talking
about mythology, etc. in relation to
astrology. They were both really interesting!
One was a man named Bruce Scofield. He is into Mesoamerican astrology, mainly
, I guess - or at least that's where his mythology was coming from. I'm not
sure where he's from. I think out west somewhere.
There was also a woman named Valerie Vaughan. She's written a book on Astro
Mythology. I think that might be the name of the book. She spoke about
Persephone and Hecate and Ceres and Castor and Pollux, etc. It was quite
enjoyable and useful.
I hope this is relevant/helpful.
CVFay