Libra and Rejection
Prtam14852
life. Me- Sun-Sag, Asc-Scorp, and 3 more planets Scorp. I think that because
I identify mostly with Scorp (1st house) I've always had great difficulty with
Libras.
What I don't understand is why they NEED so much to be accepted and to connect.
One of my bosses, who happens to be Libra, and I recently had a falling out
regarding his inability to trust (he did a very unprofessional thing to me).
My Scorpio nature took over and I retaliated by taking my friendship away, (I
know that tortures them the most). We still talk on the professional level but
not otherwise. I never offer a hello or goodbye. While I'm perfectly fine
with this and can pretend he doesn't exist except on a functional level (all
the while reveling in his squirming), he has resorted to talking about me
behind my back. It seems to me that he cannot fathom anyone not liking him and
it's tearing him apart.
There would be no tension if he did not continue attacking me in such a
wimplike fashion. Why is it so hard for a Libra to be rejected like that? Do
all Libra's want so much to be accepted that they resort to roundabout attacks
to make themselves feel secure? Do they really need things to be all flowers
all the time so bad that they feel the need to destroy a part they think is
bad? Why not cut it off like I have? I'd have more respect if he had the male
genitalia enough to be more direct, but it seems every Libra I know lacks this
ability unless cornered. In fact, I feel the biggest difficulty I have with
him and most Libras I know is that I have a great distate for the way they TRY
so hard to be diplomatic when I'd have greater respect if they simply said
"@#$# off!!"
One of my best friends is a Libra. Don't get me wrong. They can get me
laughing real hard, but when they start glossing over things, I get angry and
want to find a way to make them burst into reality.
Ricky
PMD
"Prtam14852" <prtam...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021102182544...@mb-mq.aol.com...
> Not to offend any Libras out there. I've been surrounded by Libras my
entire
> life. Me- Sun-Sag, Asc-Scorp, and 3 more planets Scorp. I think that
because
> I identify mostly with Scorp (1st house) I've always had great difficulty
with
> Libras.
I actually,get along very well with Librans and in particular with Librans
born around Oct 2.
I keep bumping into these early octoberians and I have changed continents
as well as hemispheres.
They like to be appreciated which is fine and they don't want to be rejected
which is understandable.
One doesn't have to sacrifice being honest to give a compliment and you
don't have to be honest with everything negative they have.
So (bless Dale Carneige), if you can find something nice to say about
them,librans are fun and they are flirts.
So I am told :)
Pankaj
LibraLove
You are lucky to have a job in this economy, so if I were you I would back off
of the Scorpionic games you are pulling on your "boss".
Power struggles with bosses very rarely pay off to the postive and if anything
you may be jeopardizing your career, or at least this job by continuing to
provoke with your little stinger on the person who has all the power -- your
"boss" or employer and the person who sends you home with a paycheck.
I had a bunch of Scorpio types working for me once and it was the "worst"! They
had no understanding of "chain of command", it was all about them having the
power, and me, their employer having none. It was not to their benefit, trust
me. :)
If I were you I would tuck that little stinger between your legs and act like a
grown-up with your boss or he may be start doing more than talking behind your
back. Talking behind an employee's back is often a way to notify an employee
through other employees that he is on thin ice and might start looking around
for a job more suitable or shape-up really fast.
Also "Scorpionic types" get less raises than the other type of employee. So...
<< Subject: Libra and Rejection
From: prtam...@aol.com (Prtam14852)
Date: Sat, Nov 2, 2002 5:26 PM
Message-id: <20021102182544...@mb-mq.aol.com>
dg
news:20021103112200...@mb-fi.aol.com:
> Power struggles with bosses very rarely pay off to the postive and
> if anything you may be jeopardizing your career,
This has been one of the big lessons I've learned over many years of
watching and participating in power stuggles. I am often asked by
younger
employees how to handle (read "win") a power struggle with a boss and
I have to counsel them that it just doesn't work.
You may win a few battles, but you'll lose the war. If the sense of
superiority that comes with such petty games is important to you, get
used to changing jobs.
--
DG
- "Keep an open mind, not a blank one."
drew
<prtam...@aol.com> writes
>Not to offend any Libras out there. I've been surrounded by Libras my entire
>life. Me- Sun-Sag, Asc-Scorp, and 3 more planets Scorp. I think that because
>I identify mostly with Scorp (1st house) I've always had great difficulty with
>Libras.
>
>What I don't understand is why they NEED so much to be accepted and to connect.
Because that is a part of the nature of Libra. Is it so odd that they
seek to be 'accepted' and to 'connect' when their focus on reality is
through relating and relationships?
> One of my bosses, who happens to be Libra, and I recently had a falling out
>regarding his inability to trust (he did a very unprofessional thing to me).
>My Scorpio nature took over and I retaliated by taking my friendship away, (I
>know that tortures them the most). We still talk on the professional level but
>not otherwise. I never offer a hello or goodbye. While I'm perfectly fine
>with this and can pretend he doesn't exist except on a functional level (all
>the while reveling in his squirming), he has resorted to talking about me
>behind my back. It seems to me that he cannot fathom anyone not liking him and
>it's tearing him apart.
Be careful of making your lower Scorpio nature something you continually
fall back on in life. I have Scorpio Rising, Mars and Neptune, and often
people like me need to learn the hard way that spite, revenge and
vindictiveness only ultimately hurt the self, although they do, of
course, hurt others in the process. Double-bumble.
When I am faced with the choice of crawling around on my Scorpio belly
stinging all and sundry just to feel powerful, or instead unfolding my
Eagle's wings and soaring above it all ... well, I have learned through
experience which brings a happier life.
>
>There would be no tension if he did not continue attacking me in such a
>wimplike fashion. Why is it so hard for a Libra to be rejected like that? Do
>all Libra's want so much to be accepted that they resort to roundabout attacks
>to make themselves feel secure? Do they really need things to be all flowers
>all the time so bad that they feel the need to destroy a part they think is
>bad? Why not cut it off like I have? I'd have more respect if he had the male
>genitalia enough to be more direct, but it seems every Libra I know lacks this
>ability unless cornered. In fact, I feel the biggest difficulty I have with
>him and most Libras I know is that I have a great distate for the way they TRY
>so hard to be diplomatic when I'd have greater respect if they simply said
>"@#$# off!!"
Yes, Scorpio like to think it's tough. I think it does this because
underneath it is very timid. It likes to ally itself with symbols of
power, but in its lower form (and the lower forms of the world) power is
something that all too easily is used to control and dominant.
And be aware that Libra can be as ferocious as any sign, and often they
will send your sting back at you in a way you don't see coming, or can
counter.
>
>One of my best friends is a Libra. Don't get me wrong. They can get me
>laughing real hard, but when they start glossing over things, I get angry and
>want to find a way to make them burst into reality.
My two best friends are a Libran and a Sagittarian (like you). I love
them for our differences.
drew
LibraLove
Ricky,
There is one more thing you might want to consider.
Libran types are about balance, fairness and relationships with others.
Scorpionic types are
about power issues and struggles to the death.
While these Scorpionic attributes are great and extremely benficial on the
battlefield, they might best be kept on the back burner in the office
environment, unless of course you work at the post office and might be called
upon to defend yourself against an armed assault. OR you could join
the armed forces. I hear they could use some good men and women about now. :)
And while the Libran attributes seem "whimpy" by comparison, it is probably a
better style of operating inside an business office from 9 to 5 with others.
Best -- LL, a Libra moon and Ascendant=Mars/Pluto <grin>
Ray Murphy
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In article <20021102182544...@mb-mq.aol.com>,
prtam...@aol.com (Prtam14852) wrote:
>Not to offend any Libras out there. I've been surrounded by Libras my entire
>life. Me- Sun-Sag, Asc-Scorp, and 3 more planets Scorp. I think that
>because
>I identify mostly with Scorp (1st house) I've always had great difficulty
>with Libras.
RM: I have never had problems with people with Sun in Libra in my
personal life. In fact when I hear that a person is a Libran I usually
relax and start learning from them.
>
>What I don't understand is why they NEED so much to be accepted and to
>connect.
RM: It's interesting you've mentioned this need to be accepted,
because I've wondered about a Libran I've known for many years (not a
partner) who has frequently expressed this need, and I've wondered why
it kept recurring.
> One of my bosses, who happens to be Libra, and I recently had a falling out
>regarding his inability to trust (he did a very unprofessional thing to me).
>My Scorpio nature took over and I retaliated by taking my friendship away, (I
>know that tortures them the most). We still talk on the professional level
>but
>not otherwise. I never offer a hello or goodbye.
RM: How rude can you get :- (
To be a good employee requires civility and the ability to fit in with
others.
>While I'm perfectly fine
>with this and can pretend he doesn't exist except on a functional level (all
>the while reveling in his squirming), he has resorted to talking about me
>behind my back.
RM: That's the way to disempower powerful people. If all else fails,
some unscrupulous people exttend it to telling lies about the
"powerful" person. Apparently this has happened with one of the
founding fathers of the USA - where history has been re-written to
make thim look the opposite of what he really was.
>It seems to me that he cannot fathom anyone not liking him
>and it's tearing him apart.
RM: Skeptics should read this and see why astrologers say that
astrolgy works :-)
>
>There would be no tension if he did not continue attacking me in such a
>wimplike fashion.
RM: Perhaps you are mistaking professionalism for "wimp-like"?
>Why is it so hard for a Libra to be rejected like that?
>Do all Libra's want so much to be accepted that they resort to
>roundabout attacks to make themselves feel secure?
RM: It's true that a lot of bullying in the workplace originates from
people who feel insecure, but we don't know if that is the case here
>Do they
>really need things to be all flowers all the time so bad that they
>feel the need to destroy a part they think is bad? Why not cut
>it off like I have?
RM: Because it's a *workplace* and you don't get the job done if
you're playing games half the time. Also because many people don't
wish to carry all that negativity around with them.
>I'd have more respect if he had the male genitalia enough to be
>more direct, but it seems every Libra I know lacks this
>ability unless cornered.
RM: Libra - An iron fist in a velvet glove.
Sometimes people don't know what happened until after it's all over.
>In fact, I feel the biggest difficulty I have with him and most
>Libras I know is that I have a great distate for the way they
>TRY so hard to be diplomatic when I'd have greater respect
>if they simply said "@#$# off!!"
RM: I doubt if many Librans would be looking for respect from every
individual. I suspect they would be more inclined to seek that respect
from the few people they look up to.
>
>One of my best friends is a Libra.
RM: Good one! It reminds me of the saying "One of my best friends is
Black".
>Don't get me wrong. They can get me
>laughing real hard, but when they start glossing over things, I get angry and
>want to find a way to make them burst into reality.
RM: What, sort of ~control~ them?
They know their weaknesses. A polite reminder is all most Libran need.
Ray
Chris Mitchell
wrote: in message ID <20021102182544...@mb-mq.aol.com>
>
>What I don't understand is why they NEED so much to be accepted and to connect.
> One of my bosses, who happens to be Libra, and I recently had a falling out
>regarding his inability to trust (he did a very unprofessional thing to me).
>My Scorpio nature took over and I retaliated by taking my friendship away, (I
>know that tortures them the most).
<snip>
>It seems to me that he cannot fathom anyone not liking him and
>it's tearing him apart.
Hi, Ricky -
I have mixtures of both a Libra and Scorpio flavour (I have an 8th
house Sun and Pluto slap bang on my Ascendant, and a Libra Moon).
Sadly for me, this means I have a tendency to display both the Libra
characteristics you've mentioned (a NEED to be liked) and the Scorpio
method of retaliation and power struggle.
To be perfectly honest, while both of these techniques have had their
plus points, ultimately they have backfired badly on me too.
You may well ask why do Libras need to be accepted, but you'll never
get an answer, as this need for acceptance is your boss's issue, not
yours. Might it not be more profitable to ask yourself why *you* NEED
to retaliate in true Scorpio fashion? After all, your need for revenge
really is your issue, and something you're in a position to address.
--
Chris Mitchell,
Bristol, England.
http://www.zaalberg.freeserve.co.uk
Prtam14852
been playing games. Two people don't have to like eachother to work in
harmony. It's all about work ethics, not friendship.
dg
news:20021103174817...@mb-ch.aol.com:
Your original post spoke of game playing; that's why folks have
cautioned you about it (including me). Not saying hello in the hall,
delighting in having some sort of edge over him -- these are game
playing. You can claim innocence now, but that doesn't jive with your
original boasts.
Since none of us are there first hand to really know what's going on,
this really quickly becomes useless. My advice still stands, though,
try to work things out in an adult way and you'll have a happier and
more successful work life.
Good luck!
Prtam14852
I asked a simple question about Libras not work ethics. A simple answer to
that question would be fine, thank you. If you must know the full story it is
posted.
Alexandra
and a Virgo rising. I think my Libra moon keeps my emotions in
balance, and it especially balances my worrywart rising sign. (Good
Lord, can I NOT STAND being a Virgo rising. I worry too much.) My
LIbra moon, which is also happens to land in the first house, usually
keeps my Taurus Mars from being awakened and letting me get crazy when
I am angry. (Don't antagonize the grazing bull! I have been told
that it's rare when I am very angry, but when I am, STAND BACK!)
Most Libras I have known were good people, with the exception of one
colleague I had, but after checking some of her planets, I learned
that her Saturn was in Scorpio. She was quite manipulative and sought
in conniving ways to see what motivated people and what they sought to
do so that she could advance at work. Then again, one of my very good
friends is a Scorpio sun, but his moon is in Leo and he's a Pisces
rising, which makes him a sweetie. It's all complicated, I guess. I
mean, it all depends upon on the permutations of your planets.
*shrug*
Marie
What I don't understand is why they NEED so much to be accepted and to
connect.
I don't know, Ricky, seems like your boss got your goat. Libra's
aren't always so nice. Instead of only your boss unliking you, he
tried to get others not to like you. Libras know about power in
groups. Does that make someone a weenie? Well, I'd say sly.
>From a Libra Sun, Libra Rising, with Scorpio Moon.
Ps; I'm a Libra who would have told you off face to face. But, I'm not
mad at you.
Chris Mitchell
wrote: in message ID <2aa5b378.0211...@posting.google.com>
>Hmmm, I have some planets in Libra: moon, Pluto. I am an Aquarius Sun
>and a Virgo rising. I think my Libra moon keeps my emotions in
>balance, and it especially balances my worrywart rising sign. (Good
>Lord, can I NOT STAND being a Virgo rising. I worry too much.)
For a while I thought I must be Virgo rising (I wasn't sure about my
birth time until I found some documentary evidence three years ago)
because when I was a kid I used to stick little library labels on my
books according to the Dewey classification system and then catalogue
them all. But my bedroom was always a total mess.
I turns out I'm late Leo rising (but I have Pluto on the Ascendant,
and Pluto is in early Virgo).
In the Northern Hemisphere, you're far more likely to be Cancer, Leo
or Virgo rising than Capricorn, Aquarius or Pisces as these signs take
much longer to rise than their opposites. In the Southern Hemisphere,
it's the other way round.
Chris.
Keera Ann Fox
> In the Northern Hemisphere, you're far more likely to be Cancer, Leo
> or Virgo rising than Capricorn, Aquarius or Pisces as these signs take
> much longer to rise than their opposites. In the Southern Hemisphere,
> it's the other way round.
Now I'm confused. I've heard the opposite: That the summer signs
(Northern hemisphere) have the short ascension and the winter signs the
long ascension.
--
***** Keera in Norway *****
* Think big. Shrink to fit. *
http://home.online.no/~kafox/
Alexandra
> birth time until I found some documentary evidence three years ago)
> because when I was a kid I used to stick little library labels on my
> books according to the Dewey classification system and then catalogue
> them all. But my bedroom was always a total mess.
> I turns out I'm late Leo rising (but I have Pluto on the Ascendant,
> and Pluto is in early Virgo).
You must love to take people under your wing and get hurt easily when
people rebuff you when you try to nurture them. My mom is a Leo
rising and a Virgo Sun, and she gets her hand bitten time and time
again.
Chris Mitchell
Ann Fox) wrote: in message ID
<1fl73wf.qzp5ni1sanzk0N%thinkbigs...@yahoo.com>
>Chris Mitchell <chrism...@zaalberg.freeserve.nospam> wrote:
>
>> In the Northern Hemisphere, you're far more likely to be Cancer, Leo
>> or Virgo rising than Capricorn, Aquarius or Pisces as these signs take
>> much longer to rise than their opposites. In the Southern Hemisphere,
>> it's the other way round.
>
>Now I'm confused. I've heard the opposite: That the summer signs
>(Northern hemisphere) have the short ascension and the winter signs the
>long ascension.
Now that worried me for a while when you posted that! No, I've just
tried it out on Astrolog for winter, spring and summer dates. Aquarius
rises in less than 45 minutes, Leo takes about three and a quarter
hours. I've tried this for winter, spring and summer and get the same
results.
Prtam14852
Aquarius. Interesting. Thanks for the info.
April
fact he has unkownly taught his mother;
love,laughter,loyalty,leadership,confidence, staying power,and that,
knowledge is power.
Do not let your past relations decide such an important matter.My son
would give you a second chance. : )
-"SEE," SHE SAID,"THE ARROW STRUCK AGAINST THIS. IT IS THE KISS I GAVE
HIM. IT HAS SAVED HIS LIFE."
Apriella
db...@earthlink.net
entire
> life. Me- Sun-Sag, Asc-Scorp, and 3 more planets Scorp. I think that
because
> I identify mostly with Scorp (1st house) I've always had great difficulty
with
> Libras.
>
> What I don't understand is why they NEED so much to be accepted and to
connect.
approval and that's the name of the game w us. I happen to have a mutual
reception w Mar (Lib, 1st h) & Ven (Sco, 2nd h) and this is what makes me
much stronger, if I may talk about myself, than an average Lib. But, ALL
Lib's I know, have a beligerent temper, an exact one, beside being in need
of approval.
Cheers, D B.