So this got me to thinking about the effect that this combination
might have if it was found in an individual chart. I've always
called VE/MA the "Carnal Juice" midpoint. It's as if those who
have it give off a kind of "liquid emanation" that others pick up
on and find quite irresistible. This is more to the fore if the
node also hits midpoints that include the Sun, Moon or angles,
e.g: VE/AS, or MO/MC, but even without these further contacts,
NO=VE/MA can make the native very attractive to others due to
their "fierce beauty", passion and sensuality.
I know six women with this midpoint contact within a degree. Four
of them are brunettes with very pale skin and striking eyes.
Another one writes very erotic stories. The last admitted to me
that without a deep and passionate sexual life, she felt dead and
empty. She also has NO=SO/MC, so this ties her sexual and
passionate nature into her sense of conscious individuality.
Every one of them give you the feeling that you want to touch
them, or at least brush up against them ( or is that just me
being a perv? <BG> )
So, maybe, just for grins, you'd like to take a look at the
midpoint synastry between yourself and your current/other
partners, and see if this midpoint is present. Don't forget to
include the four midpoints that are 45 and 135 away from the four
primary midpoints ( conjunct, opposition and 2 squares )
And if you have this midpoint present in your own chart, would
you like to share with the group just what effect you seem to
have on the opposite sex?
I already know one of you who has it, but until she comes
forward, I'm keeping my gob shut :-))
Pete Phoenix.
" I don't want to achieve immortality through my work -
I want to achieve it through not dying."
- Woody Allen-
as to the node specifically I have node conjunct mars/MC; Merc/ Venus and ASC/MC
(the last one if you stretch to 2 degrees) the first 2 are within a half a degree.
Heather
P.S. who is the woman you don't want to squeal on with the midpoint?
Susan? <g> is she a Bo Derek in disguise? LOL!!!!!!
Pete Phoenix wrote in message ...
Pete Phoenix.
" I don't want to achieve immortality through my work -
I want to achieve it through not dying."
- Woody Allen-
Susan Sarantos wrote...
> Pete,
> I'm not sure how to do this midpoint stuff. Were you talking
about ME? I
> looked at the charts and found this. Is this what you want?
Ps... The both
> of us are constantly being complimented/approached by people
(male and
> female).
> Susan
> I have:
> Ven/Mar = 16 PIS 14
> JUP/URA 180.0 VEN/MAR 0.01d
> Nod 0Sco54'00"r
> Venus midpoint Mars in Pisces: The merging of This person's
creativity,
> tendencies for affection and calmness, and relationship needs
with their
> will, energy, activity, and aggressive, assertive tendencies is
imaginative,
> other worldly, impressionable, and seeks transcendence of self.
Most often
> this manifests in the area of life dealing with the future,
life goals, and
> association with friends and groups.
> He has:
> Ven/Mar = 24 LEO 56
> His Node 27Leo08'01"r
> His natal Ura 26Leo09'35" and Sun 26Leo18'26" so conjunct
> Moo 27Sco32'48" so would be square
> Venus midpoint Mars in Leo: The merging of This person's
creativity,
> tendencies for affection and calmness, and relationship needs
with their
> will, energy, activity, and aggressive, assertive tendencies is
proud,
> gregarious, dramatic, dignified, and desires self expression.
Most often
> this manifests in the area of life dealing with the future,
life goals, and
> association with friends and groups.
>
>
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah.......
> HAH! Very funny ! Great disguise...haven't yet mastered that
glazed over
> brain dead look that Johnboy seemed to favour with all his
wives.
> Susan
Glazed over and brain-dead? Oh gimme! When you master it, let me
know.
hehehe.....
Slick? Slick? What am I all of a sudden, an oil spill?
You sure have a compulsion about how tight things are, dontcha,
Virgo? hehehe...
I allow a one degree orb for most midpoints, but I s-t-r-e-t-c-h
it to 2 degrees max. if the Sun, Moon or angles are involved,
either as focal points or as one of the midpoint pairing.
By that yardstick, your Sun is 4' past maximum orb for VE/MA, so
*DONG!!!* "Thank you for playing anyway!" Go fish, P.O.T.O.
:-))))))))
You've been a walking corpse for the past five years, huh?
Hmm... now where the *hell* is my copy of "The Dead and How to
$%#* 'Em."??
A-HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
*Could* be Susan, who isn't, by the way, Bo Derek in disguise.
I'd know Bo anywhere ~ she's been stalking me for years.
hehehe......
{{{{hugs}}}}
That's because the orb is too wide, ThreeSteve. But then, why
blame the astrology?
<BG>
Hi Carol,
>
> Thanks for directing attn to the Venus/Mars midpoint for
research.
> I've been looking at a few charts for anything conj the
Venus/Mars
> midpoint natally and in synastry since you mentioned it. Too
early
> to say much but I feel the area is potentially very fruitful,
and I like
> to keep things simple. Midpoints can get very complicated, but
there
> are likely to be a few astrologers might want to check
routinely, and the
> Venus/Mars is likely to be one of them.
>
> I'd like to hear from other astrologers as to which MPs they
have found
> most interesting and useful, and for what. PLEASE POST!!
I found the Sun/MC midpoint to be very telling in terms of career
development, and also in synastric work. An important
relationship can certainly shape, or alter, ones life-path
significantly. My own SO/MC is at 22*50' of Cardinals/7*50' of
mutables.
My ex-wife's MC is 23 Cancer, and her Venus is 8 Gemini. That
relationship remains the one that shaped my life the most, up to
now. We have 2 children.
Another important relationship in my life has Jupiter at 22
Cancer. Of course, that's also the degree of my S.N., so that I
have Node=SO/MC, which seems to suggest that relationships will
mould my conscious direction in life anyway. <G>
And let's not forget the Sun/Moon midpoint: The "inner marriage"
of yin and yang...
>
> I've found Sun transits to the natal Saturn/Pluto MP often
correlate to initiatory experiences on the spiritual path. We
get that transit once a
> year, so can easily plan lifestyle to create a context for more
to show up in those areas.
Actually, given that there are 8 midpoints to a given pair ( 4
"primary" ones and the four that are 45 and 135 away), the Sun
will transit SA/PL eight times a year.
>
> My Mars/Venus MP is at 19 Libra, conjunct Juno, also very close
to Neptune, in the 1st house.
>
> (Normally I use a 1 degree orb for MPs.)
Me too, unless the Sun, Moon or angles are involved, either as
the focal point or as part of the pair, then I'll go to 2
degrees, but no more than that.
> ----------------
> Carol Willis, MA
My midpoint at 3Sag 12 is a litte too far from his S. node
= 4 Sag 57' 49".
Oh well, guess I better behave! :-)
Rose
Larry S.
Yuk Yuk. Truth is, I never blame astrology for anything.
Just luurve that Scorp Moon, GoldenEye! See ya tonight? <WINK>
> Hi Pete,
> Looks like my husband's MA/VE midpoint at 21Sag 02 lands right
dab
> smack on my South Node = 21Sag 0' 7". He's pretty darn
adorable, imo!
Bingo!
> My midpoint at 3Sag 12 is a litte too far from his S. node
> = 4 Sag 57' 49".
>
> Oh well, guess I better behave! :-)
Hehehe....
>
> Rose
Cheers, Rose!
Don't forget that midpoints work off the 8th harmonic. As well as
the 'actual' midpoint, there is the one directly opposite in the
zodiac, and two more directly square to it.
(That's 4, right there) Then there are the two 45 degrees away
from the midpoint, and two 135 degrees away. (So that's 8)
If you check all 8 positions, you'll probably find a lot more
'hits'. Actually, if your astrology program runs a " 45 degree
midpoint-tree" sort, it will bring up every contact to all 8
positions.
Takes a lot of the legwork out of it :-)
Well for starters, you could turn gender-bender and ask
me...darling.
HA!
Or...how about us all turning Moonie, just for you?
<HWG>
Susan Sarantos wrote in message <003001bf7e1e$1e7a1860$6d4d...@auag.efortress.com>...
>Hi Larry,
>If you think this is bad/good/racy you should be reading the private emails
>we send off to each other.
>Hehehheh.....
>Susan S.
>www.sarantos.com
>www.metalcyberspace.com (new web in progress)
>---------
Lawrence Swain wrote in message <005401bf7db7$393c3f00$9d75480c@y4r8h1>...
>After reading all the above posts, I am now more certain than ever that you
>people are kinky, twisted, gross, amoral, shameless, sinful, demented, and
>generally disgusting bunch of perverts. But how can I possibly marry you
>all?
><VBEG>
>
>Larry S.
>
>I never did math with my legs, but I do appreciate good
calculation
>software. <g>
I did. It's how I found out one plus one equals three <BG>
> I experimented with the 45 degree, and it drove me nuts.
>I don't use the 90 degree dial either for the same reason.
>This old dog gets indigestion from all those new trix.
One of the joys of learning about something "new" (although this
concept is hardly new), is the pleasure of climbing the walls
trying to get the hang of it. The software will do the
calculating, you just have to look at what sits on what. It
really isn't all that difficult, and, once you get the hang of
it, far more fun than going "woof" and chasing the same ol' stick
:-)
<snip>
> I'd like to hear from other astrologers as to which MPs they have found
> most interesting and useful, and for what. PLEASE POST!!
<snip>
I have found the Sun/Moon MP to be particularly significant in my
relationships, but probably because it's a primary focus in my life-path.
So I'm sure I look for relationships with people willing to share that kind
of a journey with me. NOT, mind you, that I'm excluding VE/MA -- I have long
said that when I don't want THAT anymore, just take me out and shoot me!
It's just not AS important as learning to incorporate my Anima (and yes, my
Ex would probably tell you I lived in Anima City. But my Anima moved).
And, yeah, Pete -- the SUN/MC, too. I took a look and, sure enough, you
were right. In both relationships. And my Ex's VE/MA on my Asc, direct. And
while I was looking, well, remember your picking up on MOO/NEP for empathy?
Not only does my MC=MOO/NEP, but NO= MOO/NEP, too. And both MC and NO=
VE/NEP, MER/PLU and SUN/MER. If all that doesn't denote empathic
communication, I don't know what would! Pretty neat, huh? I think you may
have created a monster, here, though. (What dear? Yeah, I know it's 5AM.
I'll be along as soon as I check this next set of mid-points...) :-))
Larry S.
I need a little help again....
Forgive my ignorance but what is a mid-point?
In looking at my own chart, if the ASC is considered in aspects, then I
appear to have 5 T-squares, instead of just the 1 I've always been aware
of. Do you guys count the ASC in T-squares? And how wide an orb? Mine
are
Sat/Plu(9) ()=house
19/13 leo MC 24Aqu
ASC
15 sco
Sun/Moon(3)
20/21 aqu
All this is being activated by Transiting Saturn (6th) and I'm wondering
what to expect with that. I've been having health problems. My other
T-square is Jup/Sag(2) op Ur/Gem(8) sq Ve/Pis(5). Also, please tell me
if this is a grand trine... Jup22Sag tr Ur22Gem tr Nep12Lib or is
Neptune too far away.
Thanks!!!
Speedy
> Hi,
>
> I need a little help again....
>
> Forgive my ignorance but what is a mid-point?
<snip>
One of my very long drawn-out technical explanations -- most people get
"mid-point" and just give up. <smirk>
Seriously, it's the point exactly mid-way between two planets where their
energy is said to "meet", or blend. So the Sun/Moon MP, for example, would
be where the energy of the Sun and the energy of the Moon meet and express
equally. Consequently this particular MP is most often viewed as the point
of "Divine Marriage" between the masculine and feminine, or yin and yang, in
a person's chart.
Larry S.
Larry S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Heather" <fempr...@nospammhotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology.moderated
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 3:06 AM
Subject: Re: T-squares and orbs
> Divine? <smirk> My MC=Sun/Pluto-moon
>
> Heather
> Lawrence Swain wrote in message <000f01bf80cd$653227a0$ca02480c@y4r8h1>...
Lawrence Swain wrote in message <004201bf81a7$0bb07b20$4102480c@y4r8h1>...
Well if y'are, you stay away from Hugh Grant, you slapper! <BG>
--Pete Phoenix.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Phoenix" <flam...@clara.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology.moderated
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: T-squares and orbs
C...@dosa.alt.net wrote:
> Saturn typically represents chronic problems; also it can involve
> skeletal problems, calcium deposits, kidney/etc stones, that kind of
> thing. Not knowing your whole chart, we don't know all the house
> rulerships, some other details.
Here it is: 2/10/48, Cumberland, Md., 12:45am
Right on. I do have arthritis of the cervical spine with a bone spur
which,
of course, is chronic and skeletal with calcium deposits (that's
incredible). Please pray for me that I NEVER have to deal with kidney
stones!! I've paid my dues - I gave birth twice!
I was very recently diagnosed with COPD/asthma too. Does the t Sat.
square
indicate obstruction or blockage of some sort? And would the Jupiter in
the 6th indicate edema or bloating of some kind? I've got some puzzling
gut-type symptoms.
> The big key I've seen in resolving those questions (Sun/Saturn/Pluto
> hard aspects) is in clarity of motive. It's not a question of "if"
> you're powerful, but rather, it's "how" you're powerful.
I'd be very interested in hearing "how" I'm powerful after you've seen
my whole chart. I've heard this before about having power and have
never really understood it. I am strong willed and determined with
strong
convictions. Does that = power?
>
> >From a "mythological" perspective, you have aspects of the magician,
> the sorcereress, the priestess... You are the power behind the throne
> (in your mind), but the Leo placements mean you'll probably find
> yourself in the spotlight far more than is comfortable. However, it
> really is an appropriate acknowledgment of your true self.
Is that good or bad? Think I was Merlin in a previous life? Or perhaps
in this life? ;)
>
> Pardon any typos; Neptune is square my Sun presently...
You are forgiven. BTW, it finally occured to me that you have a URL
after your name......(duh), so I went there and discovered that my
husband was born less than a week after you. So Neptune is squaring his
Sun too and that explains a lot!
I didn't realize that you (or others on the list) are a professional
astrologer. It certainly is generous and kind of you (and the others)
to give so freely of your knowledge and advice to others. I'm still
reading about your "A Path to Freedom" chapters. I'll give you some
feedback when I'm finished. My curiousity is piqued.
Thanks very much and when you get sick of all my questions, just say so,
Speedy
What AGAIN? And anyroad it would mean me giving up Liz Hurley.
But then again she's a Gemini, and just *loves* wondrous variety.
Allegedly....hehehe.
Larry S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Phoenix" <flam...@clara.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology.moderated
Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: T-squares and orbs
CFA wrote:
> On one hand, it's a Good Thing you have some inherent integrity,
> caution, and compassion (Saturn aspects/Pisces planets), because
> Sun/Moon/Pluto folks can be the most violently aggressive people in
> the zodiac.
Yes, seems to me Charlie Manson has similar aspects. While I do have a
temper, I've never been violent. Perhaps that's because Mars isn't in
the mix, or due to house placement. I'm not an aggressive person
although I can be quite "assertive", especially when protecting my
children. I feel that the Sun/Moon/Pluto/Saturn aspects are
representative of enormous frustrations and obstacles in my life and the
powerful emotions resulting.
> Even stubborness is a strength, but the question is how that energy is
> used. If you've used your intensity to hold yourself back, that's a
> "misuse" of the energy (or to hold others back/control them).
I've done both but I'm learning. Having children has taught me so
much. I had both my kids late in life and sometimes it's like having my
face shoved close to the mirror. Very humbling experiences! ;) That
reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask everyone. My two sons
and my husband all have 2-3 planets in my 12th house. What does that
mean. Am I being affected by them or them by me with this aspect. My
husband has sun/mercury, son#1 has saturn/pluto and son#2 has
sun,mercury and mars in my 12th.
> >> >From a "mythological" perspective, you have aspects of the magician,
> >> the sorcereress, the priestess... You are the power behind the throne
> >> (in your mind), but the Leo placements mean you'll probably find
> >> yourself in the spotlight far more than is comfortable. However, it
> >> really is an appropriate acknowledgment of your true self.
> >
> >Is that good or bad?
>
> It's your potential. You have to decide if you want to express it.
> However, it will probably be hard for you to hide from it.
I still don't really understand what you mean. Which aspects are you
looking at?
> You haven't figured out we're chart junkies? ;-)
That's great because I always have lots of questions.
Thanks again!
Speedy
>From material I have read many medical astrologers speak of Jupiter
Venus aspects being a hint towards Diabetes. I haven't seen this
to be that reliable. Having Jupiter involved is a given though.
Do you have any family background of Diabetes?
Heather
spe...@home.com wrote in message <38D679B3...@home.com>...
Yes there is diabetes in the family - and also hypoglycemia. I was
still seeing my Pulmonologist, trying to figure out why I've been
feeling so rotten. Some odd symptoms like a feeling of great fullness
in the trunk area, like I was literally going to burst open, excessive
gas, excessive urination, changes in eyesight, some numbness in the
hands and feet, etc. I've had various complaints for the past 3 years
and I had gestational diabetes during my last pregnancy 8 yrs. ago and
haven't really felt well since. The doc ran some tests for Cushings
Disease, thyroid function and glucose count and my glucouse was high.
Regarding Jupiter/Venus aspects and diabetes... Jupiter is in Venus
ruled Taurus but my natal Venus is at 28 Pisces (5th). So perhaps I've
been diabetic since that tJup conj nVenus aspect in early 1999. I hope
not because that means damage has already been done. I do feel that my
kidneys and eyesight have been affected.
Hope that helps.
Speedy
Be well! :-D
Heather
spe...@home.com wrote in message <38D7AA22...@home.com>...
CFA wrote:
> BTW, have you looked at Louise Hay's "You Can Heal Your Life"? You'll
> see diabetes can be associated with heavy Saturn aspects (no sweetness
> in life). I have a Venus/Saturn square (with the Sun right in the
> middle). I definitely relate, but it hasn't manifested as diabetes
("just" funky relationships). Oh, do tell! :)
No, I haven't heard of that one. I'll have to get it. I've been
thinking about looking for a medical astrology kind of book. Thanks for
telling me about it.
Well, as you know I certainly have heavy natal Saturn aspects but right
now t. Saturn is forming a grand square to my n. Sat/Plu, Sun/Moon,
Ascendent Tsquare. I hope asthma and diabetes is the only thing that
comes of it. I'm an Aquarian with t. Uranus(3rd) conjunct n. Sun/Moon
opposing n. Saturn/Plu, square Asc. What do you make of that one?
Spontaneous combustion? ;)
In a very short time t. Saturn will be moving into my 7th house. What
to expect with that? What to expect with it opposing my Ascendent?
These aspects feel very heavy.
Told you I had a lot of questions. Sorry to ask so many at once.
Thanks,
Speedy
> In a very short time t. Saturn will be moving into my 7th house. What
> to expect with that? What to expect with it opposing my Ascendent?
> These aspects feel very heavy.
I have Saturn moving through my 7th house, approaching my Sun. Still 4
degrees to go, so another month of the *heaviness*. And that is exactly
what it feels like.
This sounds more like a 12th house thing, but I have had an insatiable
desire for solitude. Actually, it's even beyond solitude -- I need the
peace & quiet to go with it, too. I have stopped watching TV
altogether, and cannot even bear to hear it in the background, however
low the volume. I prefer to work in silence, no radio, no phone calls,
no interruptions.
This is not to say I'm anti-social, because I still enjoy meeting
friends for morning coffee or evening ventures ... but for the largest
part of the day, I'd rather just have time to myself!
Saturn is changing the structure of my daily routine. I just sold my
business and will be home in less than a week. I have no future plans,
and no intention of rushing into anything. I just need *time off*. So
I suppose I have shed a structure that no longer works for me.
Saturn transitting this house brought me a buyer -- we made an amicable
agreement and the transition has been very smooth. A business deal
materialized, and so far, seems to be successful.
This has been my personal experience of Saturn in my 7th. I'm expecting
that this feeling of heaviness (and seriousness) will melt away once
Saturn passes my Sun!
Karin
Ray Murphy
----------
In article <EMnC4.54944$3b6.2...@ozemail.com.au>, "kyrox"
I got married when Saturn squared my Sun and Pluto. The TR moon
was exactly conjunct my Sun/Pluto at the time of my wedding.
Heather
Ray Murphy wrote in message <38db2...@news.chariot.net.au>...
I'm already married! I forgot to mention that my N. node is also at
18Taurus in my 7th house. If anything major happens, I'll let you know.
Thanks,
Speedy
> I'm already married! I forgot to mention that my N. node is also at
> 18Taurus in my 7th house. If anything major happens, I'll let you know.
My eye always spots this degree. My Sun is at 18 Taurus in my 7th
house, so your node is exactly conjunct! What does that mean? Who
knows! It's just trivia!
Karin
Although that would mean your Sun is square to my Sun and Moon
(Aquarius), wouldn't my north node being conjunct your Sun in your 7th
mean that we would like one another and that I may have the opportunity
for personal growth through our relationship, were we to have one?
That's not trivial - assuming there's an iota of validity to what I
surmise.
Actually, now that I think about it, my Counselor's Sun is conjunct my
north node in my 7th and we have a really good relationship. She gives
me wings. I hadn't realized before that her Sun is at 18 degrees
Taurus.
Speedy