Transits' orb of influence
JamMan63
book that says 1 degree for planets and 2 degrees for luminaries. I have
another book that allows an orb of 8 degrees. I'm a bit confused here--any help
would be greatly appreciated.
John A. Halloran
Is that transiting or natal luminaries?
One degree sounds good to me, otherwise you would have an outer planet aspect
within orb for a couple of years.
My software allows the applying orb to be larger than the separating orb, such
as 1 degree when applying but only 30 minutes when separating, because
transiting aspects are felt more when applying.
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SeaGtGruff
> What is a realistic orb of influence on transit to natal
> aspects? I have one book that says 1 degree for
> planets and 2 degrees for luminaries. I have another
> book that allows an orb of 8 degrees. I'm a bit
> confused here--any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
Aspect orbs are largely a matter of preference, but the general rule is that
the closer the orb, the stronger the effect. With a transiting-to-natal
aspect, a larger orb might be valid-- especially if the aspect is "in sign"--
but it's probably very weak, and would be more along the lines of a vague
"background" influence at best, rather than a very noticeable effect. It's
better to focus on the closest transiting aspects.
I usually keep orbs at 1 degree when I'm creating a list of transiting aspects,
but when I'm looking at a chart for a specific event, I often broaden the orbs
to 2 degrees or more, especially when an aspect is part of a configuration.
For example, suppose that transiting Saturn is at 10 Aries, transiting Mars is
at 9 Gemini, and natal Venus is at 8 Aquarius. An astrologer would probably
say that transiting Mars is within orb of a trine to natal Venus, but
transiting Saturn is out of orb of a sextile to natal Venus. On the other
hand, transiting Mars is within orb of a sextile to transiting Saturn, so the
t.Mars-n.Venus and t.Mars-t.Saturn aspects would perhaps establish a connection
that would bring the t.Saturn-n.Venus aspect into orb. Obviously, it can't
move it into orb-- the orb is still 2 degrees-- but it may extend the area of
influence by bringing out the effects of the t.Saturn-n.Venus aspect.
More significantly, in the above example we'd have transiting Mars square the
n.Venus/t.Saturn midpoint, which would create a configuration. So looking at
it purely in terms of aspects, we could say that it's a loose
sextile-sextile-trine configuration, and that the sextile between t.Saturn and
n.Venus-- which has a 2-degree orb-- is brought into orb by t.Mars, which is
within orb of both t.Saturn and n.Venus. But the real reason why this sort of
thing "works" may be due to the midpoint configuration. Anyway, I think that
you can stretch orbs if aspects are part of a configuration.
Also, if you're looking at the chart of an event, and you see aspects which are
out of the normal orbs, you can look at them from a timing point of view. That
is, you could take the separating aspects and look up when they were exact,
then take the applying aspects and look up when they will be exact. You could
then analyze the given event as part of an ongoing process, in which the
influences of the aspects blend into and lead toward each other.
In the above example, you could see what happened when t.Saturn made the exact
sextile to n.Venus, then see what happened when t.Mars made the exact trine to
n.Venus, and ask if there was any connection between those events, and if they
relate to the current event being studied (which might be indicated by t.Mars
squaring the n.Venus/t.Saturn midpoint). You might also look ahead to see when
t.Mars will make the exact sextile to t.Saturn, and keep an eye out to see if
anything else develops at that time. You might even look further ahead to see
when t.Saturn will be conjunct the n.Venus/t.Mars midpoint. How do these
events fit together into a sequence?
Another time when astrologers often use larger orbs with transiting aspects is
when looking at "special event" charts (for lack of a better term), such as New
Moon charts, eclipse charts, returns, and ingresses. In these types of charts,
some astrologers use orbs which are somewhere between natal orbs and normal
transiting orbs.
Michael Rideout
ZeroZero
<jamm...@aol.com> writes
>What is a realistic orb of influence on transit to natal aspects? I have one
>book that says 1 degree for planets and 2 degrees for luminaries. I have
>another book that allows an orb of 8 degrees. I'm a bit confused here--any help
>would be greatly appreciated.
When I look at transits, I tend to find that that aspects which are
waxing (travelling towards exactitude) are experienced more acutely than
those which are waning (going out of orb).
Think of the waxing aspect as setting the scene, and waning aspect as
having to deal with the experiences.
There was a discussion about whether people feel the effects of transits
or not a while back here on aam.
I can safely say that I am feeling pretty fed up with Mars square Mars,
Venus square Venus, Sun square Sun/Merc and Jupiter opposite Mars. In
fact, I can't wait until this set of transits is out of the way, because
even my dreams reflect the problems which these transits are causing. :(
Linden
Buffalo Brewer
sea...@primenet.com (John A. Halloran) wrote:
> In article <19991117165340...@ng-co1.aol.com>
jamm...@aol.com (JamMan63) writes:
After watching transits in various charts for 27 years I see that faster
moving planets are felt more strongly when the aspect is applying and
less so when separating. For fast moving planets, e.g., Sun, Moon,
Mercury, Venus, and Mars, the applying aspect can be felt as far out as
4 degrees but the separating aspect tends to drop off fast in terms of
influence after 1 1/2 to 2 degrees. See for instance this week's Mars /
Jupiter square which produced death and destruction in two university
environments in the U.S. within 2 degress of orb, abetted by a sextile
to the Sun and Mars and an inconjunct from the Sun to Jupiter. Nasty
stuff. and note that both the Sun and Jupiter were in signs ruled by
Mars.
For slower moving planets, the applying influence can be hinted or
sensed as far out as three degrees, but the real impact comes on or
starts up well within 2 degrees of orb. For separating aspects, pretty
much as little as 1 degree is covered and say goodnight to that
influence. Bear in mind slow moving planets might, with retrogrades,
traverse over one spot in your chart several times. It is a good time
to pay attention to the influence of that planet when it is applying
within 1 degree of orb.
Also, it takes longer to see the influence of the bigger, slow moving
planets, and often, the impacts are more for society as a whole than for
your personally.
John H. wrote....
> My software allows the applying orb to be larger than the separating
orb, such as 1 degree when applying but only 30 minutes when separating,
because transiting aspects are felt more when applying.
Buffalo B. wrote . . .
Per my note above, I have no problem with that conservative approach,
but my experiential data shows slightly wider orbs.
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