Q. Ascendant Square Sun
Philip Isaacs
twelfth house Sun. Can anyone please explain what this will mean or does it
have no significance? At the same time I have my first direct hit of
transiting Pluto opposing the Moon and I already feel pretty depressed.
Thanks
Phil
Sharyn0761
From: "Philip Isaacs" pais...@ozemail.com.au
Date: Sat, Sep 9, 2000 12:15 PM
Message-id: <g0lu5.12428$cr3.3...@ozemail.com.au>
Well it's hard to say with so little information, Phil, but progressed aspects
do have a definite signifigance. A pr. ASC square natal Sun could be
interpreted like the same natal aspect in that similar overall, general effects
could be taking place in a person's life; but the progressed planets seem to
carry more weight than the angles, and the intensity and meaning is variable
and depends on other progressed planets, natal planets and points, and the
current transits to both of these. How does the Pluto/Moon opposition relate to
your ASC by rulership, sign or aspect? And how does this transit relate to your
Sun? How does your Sun relate to your ASC ruler, and what kind of shape are
your ASC and ruler in natally? Is this transit reflective of a natal theme in
your chart that is being stimulated? The secondary progressions do have their
own meanings, but look at your natal potential involving all the above planets,
points and relatonships. "The Rule of Three" is a good one to keep in mind: if
natal aspects are being stimulated and like themes are "stacking up" and
repeating themselves in the transits and progressions at least three times,
then they are likely significant and deserving of a closer look. I think the
tr. Pluto/Moon opposition will be in evidence much more strongly than the pr.
ASC/Sun square, but if the two are related natally, then this lends a 1st
house/Sun emphasis or flavor to the transit that may not have been a factor
otherwise.
Sharyn
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christine
>Sharyn<< Subject: Q. Ascendant Square Sun
>From: "Philip Isaacs" pais...@ozemail.com.au
>This December I have a progressed ascendant square to my natal Sun. I have
a
>twelfth house Sun. Can anyone please explain what this will mean or does it
>have no significance? At the same time I have my first direct hit of
>transiting Pluto opposing the Moon and I already feel pretty depressed.
>Thanks
>Phil>>
>
>Well it's hard to say with so little information, Phil, but progressed
aspects
>do have a definite signifigance. A pr. ASC square natal Sun could be
>interpreted like the same natal aspect in that similar overall, general
effects
>could be taking place in a person's life;
>>>>>> Are you implying that a progr. Asc. sqr. Sun will act out the same as
a natal Asc. sqr. Sun, Sharyn? If so, I am inclined to differ with you. The
pr. Asc. may not necessarily still be in the 1st house, as you mentioned
further down in your post. In such cases my feelings are that there will be
a personality change according to the circumstances (of the house) involved,
coloured by the pr.Asc. sign, that requires some sort of *possibly
involuntary or not-directly-forthcoming effort* from the natal 12th house
Sun. If the natal Asc. and Sun are not linked in any way, or in sextile, the
new personality change is going to act other than the natural natal Asc., in
order that the individual can cope with the new situation. A pioneering
natal Aries Asc. can settle down some in Taurus, and a loving, sociable
Libra turn very emotional once the pr. Asc. enters Scorpio, surely? If the
house has changed, other issues are involved that have to be looked at in
another way. Phil may actually become aware of his 12th house Sun sign in
some way. I know of such a case where a mouse of a woman took her life into
her own hands. She no longer settled for the victim role, found her true
12th house Aries self to finally become a spiritual healer.
(snip)
I think the tr. Pluto/Moon opposition will be in evidence much more
strongly than the pr.
>ASC/Sun square,
(snip)
> Sharyn
>>>>>> Perhaps old patterns have to be allowed to be changed and removed in
order that the *new* personality can get the 12th house Sun to *shine*. I
think both aspects are equally important. The progr. Asc. has a 3-yr., and
not a mere transiting, hold on the natal Sun, after all!!
> Christine.
Sharyn0761
meant was that in a natal Sun/ASC square, there is conflict between a person's
basic sense of "self" and what they actually project to the world or how others
see them. (Of course there are other expressions of this, like physical
trouble, etc, but we'll just use the one possible manifestation as an example).
When this aspect forms with progressions, a similar conflict emerges according
to the new ASC sign and house. Even though the pr. ASC may no longer be in the
first house, it still represents the ASC, and though the personality/basic self
conflicts may be related to the new house, they are still changes related to
the projected personality or the body (ASC) and the natal Sun. In any square,
events are likely to force new ways of coping, relating or acting, and in this
way, I think the progressed aspect is similar to the natal aspect. I think it's
likely Phil WILL become more aware of his 12th house Sun because he will find
his outer personality in unfamiliar conflict with who he feels he really is and
he'll have to deal with that, and I think this will be all the more dynamic
because of his Sun's 12th house placement. I see it as a 3 year "background"
kind of effect, and as transits and other pr. aspects set it off, the conflicts
will emerge. I think the Moon/Pluto square will be more obvious in effect since
it is a shorter, more intense period, but the progressed aspects give the
"plot" of the story as opposed to the transits being the "action" scenes, to
use a movie analogy. IF the Pluto/moon square is related to the ASC, like if
the Moon or Pluto rules the ASC, then of course the pr. ASC square Sun will be
more obvious and powerful when that transit activates it.
When my pr. ASC was square my Sun I was 15 years old (and although I was
rather used to the conflict, having a very wide square natally with ASC 14,
Sun28 Cancer, out of orb but still very noticeable) the perfecting of the
square by progression just intensified and brought to a climax what was already
forming. Outer events (car accident and many other stressful events, both
physical and social trauma, at the time) forced me to reevaluate who I really
was and how I was percieved by others. Now that my natal ASC has progressed
into Scorpio from Libra and is nearing a trine to my natal Sun, how I am
percieved by others is much more in tune with who I really am and transits to
these points don't seem to have the same detrimental physical or social effect.
So that's why I feel that the natal interpretations of aspects shed much light
on progressed aspects. A Sun, an ASC and a square still have the same basic
meanings, whether in a natal chart, transits or progressions.
<snip>
Sharyn<< >>>>>> Are you implying that a progr. Asc. sqr. Sun will act out the
>>
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