transit Mars conjunct descendant
Anna Naggies
ok, since this group is not all that busy, I take the liberty to toss my
personal astrology question of the day to the group:
What would you make of Mars conjoining your descendant? I know, generally,
what Mars does, and I know that the descendant is the point of one-on-one
relationships, ... but I seem to lack the phantasy to make a story of those
two ... can you help me out?
Best, Georg
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Victoria
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Francois Carriere
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> More energy into partnerships? Depending on the sign etc of course.
> Victoria
> from beautiful El Granada
>
It may also means a period of tension ;-) Since it's a transit, it may
not be of the most importance - I'd be afraid with a direction (SA or
Prog).
Well, that's my opinion ;-)
François
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anna....@gmx.at wrote on 7/17/03 9:05 PM:
Since Mars rules work and anger or strife, it can mean arguments with others
or working in some Mars ruled activity with others as partners.
You need to use the sign on that descendant to determine the Mars activity
that is likely. Could be heated arguments or work with partners on whatever
your natal Mars sign or descendant sign is ruled by.
Mars in Cancer building or remodeling a house with a partner. Mars in
Aquarius, working with a partner to fix a PC, and so on.
Also it will have to do with what aspects your natal Mars has with other
planets and it's sign and ruler.
Best -- LL
Di-a-rama
"Francois Carriere" <fc2...@gosympatico.ca> wrote:
> It may also means a period of tension ;-) Since it's a transit, it may
> not be of the most importance - I'd be afraid with a direction (SA or
> Prog).
Mars will go retrograde soon, so it'll be hanging out in 0-10 degrees Pisces
for several months (actually is already there). That is rather significant
since the time to transit (albeit Direct, Retrograde, Direct) is as long as
an outer planet transit.
Cheers,
Dianne
Mimi Wings99
Hi Georg,
Since Mars will be hanging out near your descendant for some time, I would
suspect changes in your creative work (Pisces) or getting involved with
spiritual aspects of one form or another. Speak up, let your ideas be heard,
and then more forward after Sep 27th. You may contact new advisors to see
which road is the best to travel.
Love & Sunshine,
Mimi ^v^
dcm
7 years.
If there was a little less projection flying around, we might have
used the Mars/Uranus energy a little more wisely, to break out of
stale patterns...she has Mars in Pisces, my Sun sign as well as
7th-house cusp. She broke it off but reckons I did so first...d'ohh!
Tante Lina
>"Victoria" <rave...@aol.comnospam> a écrit dans le message de news:
>20030718004447...@mb-m01.aol.com...
>> More energy into partnerships? Depending on the sign etc of course.
>> Victoria
>> from beautiful El Granada
>>
>
>It may also means a period of tension ;-) Since it's a transit, it may
>not be of the most importance - I'd be afraid with a direction (SA or
>Prog).
>
>Well, that's my opinion ;-)
I know that one lady convinced her husband to move elsewhere during this
transit. :^)
* TL *
Dorot29701
Any ideas?
Dorothy
Ray Murphy
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In article <CUsRa.203645$1F6.2...@news.chello.at>, "Anna Naggies"
<anna....@gmx.at> wrote:
RM: There have been some good answers provided already but here's my
view after examining a lot of transits:
First of all, irrespective of astrological theory, all I can
confidently say about Mars opp Asc by transit is:
(a) Unlike other transits, it can work +/- 5 degrees away, but usually
close to exactness.
(b) A very common manifestation is severe domestic arguments that can
rage for days.
(c) Other manifestations are illnesses, surgery, important /
challenging interaction with others, sexual encounters, deaths of
relatives.
Generally though, all we can say is "important stuff happens". It is
very rarely the same sort of stuff on each pass, and sometimes
astrologers cannot detect that a MA/Desc event ~has~ occurred, but I
suggest that this occurs because of some atrologers lack of perception
or experience.
I'd say that about 75% of MA/Desc transits can easily be seen by
experienced astrologers and the rest can go unnoticed.
Basically people do what they feel compelled to do when Mars is on the
Descendant - whether it be buying a horse or a car or whatever. I
think this stems from the challenging nature of the transit - where
people will not be disuaded from following their ambitions, and others
around them can detect that drive, and do not stand in their way as
much as they may do normally.
Ray
H
LOL
Heather
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"H" <adb...@zerospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>buying a horse?
>
>LOL
>
>Heather
RM: I know it sounds funny but I thought I'd mention it for a few
reasons, the first was to increase the number of posts on aamod, and
secondly to point out that this really IS the sort of thing that can
happen with Mars on the Desc.
I'm not going from any personal experience with horses, but years of
looking at people's lists of 'event dates' when rectifying charts or
attempting to rectify charts.
Ray
Emily
"Ray Murphy" <ray...@chariot.net.au> a écrit dans le message de news:
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So ma-dsc transits can wreak havoc with relationships or provoke purchasing
things....on the asc would these energies be turned inward and effect more
the inner self ?
Emily
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Anna Naggies
Ah, I get the picture!
Thanks so much all for the suggestions.
It is the Pisces Mars, so the collaboration should happen in the inner
work - or the strife? I do already put quite a lot of effort and intention
in inner work - purposeful periods of silence, visualisation, and hemisync,
if someone knows that. Time to take my wife along more (though she has her
own sadhana = spiritual practice already)? I'll tell you as soon as we
jointly do Chi Gong. Natally it's a Saggitarius Mars, ruled by a Virgo
Jupiter, closely trined by an Aries Venus.
First thing I was thinking of also was "conflict in my partnership(s)", but
upon telling my wife - hey honey, there, we have a period of conflict
coming - her deep frown quickly told me that this prospect is so unpleasant
that it really can't be true. Prudently, I've scheduled a day swimming
today, hopefully putting that Mars-in-Pisces to some good use together :-)
Now that I think of it more, it may also signify a bit of a coming out,
being less reclusive, ie more assertive in social ways. Isn't it Mars rising
on my personal horizon? A funny Mars that is, in Pisces, of all signs.
(By the way, I better tell you, I'm a terribly slow poster. Always have
trouble keeping up with the pace of usenet. Also not helped by the fact that
the moderator is in a very different timezone than me. Hope you can bear
with the accumulated delay.)
I usually do notice Mars-transits as events more than any other transits. Oh
yes, and I feel like buying that laptop more than ever before. No joke, and
as much as I can discern, no self-fulfilling prohecy :-)
Love astrology, helps putting things in perspective.
Regards
Georg
Anna Naggies
good time at work, little victories in professional arguments and that sort
of things.
Georg
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Ray Murphy
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<eb...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>"Ray Murphy" <ray...@chariot.net.au> a écrit dans le message de news:
>3f18b...@news.chariot.net.au...
>>
>> ----------
>> In article <lB2Sa.108907$Io.93...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>> "H" <adb...@zerospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >buying a horse?
>> >
>> >LOL
>> >
>> >Heather
>>
>> RM: I know it sounds funny but I thought I'd mention it for a few
>> reasons, the first was to increase the number of posts on aamod, and
>> secondly to point out that this really IS the sort of thing that can
>> happen with Mars on the Desc.
>> I'm not going from any personal experience with horses, but years of
>> looking at people's lists of 'event dates' when rectifying charts or
>> attempting to rectify charts.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> >
>> >> Basically people do what they feel compelled to do when Mars is on the
>> >> Descendant - whether it be buying a horse or a car or whatever.
>> >
>>
>
>So ma-dsc transits can wreak havoc with relationships
>
>Emily
RM: Yes they can wreak havoc with relationships, but it's like a
lottery -- we cannot predict too accurately which transits will work
out that way unless we are looking at other transits and
circumstances. For example, sometimes we can look at an ephemeris and
see a trend over a period of months for one partner; and then we see
something different for the other which points to problems anyway -
but if during that period Mars comes along and passes the Descendant,
the chances of all out conflict increase dramatically. Also, if people
are quite young this transit has a higher chance of working,
presumably because they have less patience.
This whole 'predictive' thing depends on quickly absorbing lots of
details about a chart according to one's own way of processing
astrological information, so if we noticed for example that a person's
partner had say VE con JU and other nice stuff during that same MA/Dsc
period, then the chances of conflict are greatly reduced.
[Emily]
>or provoke purchasing things....
RM: Not necessarily ~purchasing~ things, but doing one's own thing,
particularly things which have not been dealt with or ambitions which
have not been fulfilled. It just so happens that in our particular
society 'purchasing things' fixes a lot of those desires.
Here's an example which I use in rectification when gathering 'event
dates': I try and get clients to gather information about important
letters which they wrote in the past - particularly letters written
voluntarily, rather than responses. It's not that easy to get such
information, but if we do, we can sometimes see that some of the most
important interaction can occur when Mars transits the Angles.
Occasionally this writing of important letters with *Mars on the
Angles* is just another way of asserting one's self, or at least
giving it one's best shot. We should also be on the lookout for
letters from authority figures - particularly government.
It's strange how it works you know - it's almost as though government
offices look up people's charts before posting official letters.
Here's a couple of classic examples: In Australia a few years after
WWII began, the Australian Army notified my father that he was
conscripted to serve for an indefinite period, and he was required to
drop everything and rock up for work on Monday morning. I don't know
why they didn't say Tuesday, because Mars didn't reach his MC until
Tuesday.
Anyway, after about 6 years the Army decided they could get along fine
without him, but there was one small problem - they still had to get
him to "make up time" for being sick for 6 weeks plus another 3 weeks
for being AWOL, so they tacked on the extra 9 weeks and THEN let him
escape. It was also a Monday, but I reckon it should have been a
Sunday because Mars was (once again) exactly on his MC then :-)
[I've got a jpeg of the document to prove it].
In these cases the official correspondence occurred before Mars hit
the Angles, but the events occurred almost exactly on time (allowing
for weekends).
[Emily]
>on the asc would these
>energies be turned inward and effect more the inner self ?
RM: Mars on the Asc by transit. Yes, I've found by looking at lots of
people's event dates that more events *do* appear to be of a personal
nature, but I haven't found it to be significantly different to
transits to the MC/IC or Desc.
I suppose when we think about it, Mars on the Asc by transit is
basically giving us a new chart for a couple of days - where we become
like the typical MA/Asc person who *usually* acts like a competitive
athlete. They drive themselves to extraordinary lengths, so I supose
we do too when we have that transit.
Ray
Tante Lina
>(again Georg Naggies posting from wifey's notebook)
>It is the Pisces Mars, so the collaboration should happen in the inner
>work - or the strife?
Transits can manifest as "outer" experiences. If you're younger than about
28 (pre-Saturn return), it can represent a male younger than yourself who
enters your life or suddenly becomes an important part of your everyday
experience, such as a friend or, for a female, a boyfriend. If you're
older, then it would be a male of a younger generation, perhaps a son or
nephew, a daughter's friend, etc..
>First thing I was thinking of also was "conflict in my partnership(s)", but
>upon telling my wife - hey honey, there, we have a period of conflict
>coming - her deep frown quickly told me that this prospect is so unpleasant
>that it really can't be true.
Transiting Mars doesn't always mean active conflict. Sometimes it just
means the needs, interests, or activities of others are competing with
yours. Such as, you each want to vacation in different places but there's
only enough money to go to one place. Or your schedules force you to do
activities apart which you would normally do together. Or you plan an
outing, then find out your spouse has planned something else at the same
time.
>Now that I think of it more, it may also signify a bit of a coming out,
>being less reclusive, ie more assertive in social ways. Isn't it Mars
rising
>on my personal horizon? A funny Mars that is, in Pisces, of all signs.
In the seventh house, it's setting.
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Ray Murphy
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In article <EX5Sa.236816$1F6.2...@news.chello.at>, "Anna Naggies"
<anna....@gmx.at> wrote:
>(again Georg Naggies posting from wifey's notebook)
>
>Ah, I get the picture!
>
>Thanks so much all for the suggestions.
>
>It is the Pisces Mars, so the collaboration should happen in the inner
>work - or the strife? I do already put quite a lot of effort and intention
>in inner work - purposeful periods of silence, visualisation, and hemisync,
>if someone knows that. Time to take my wife along more (though she has her
>own sadhana = spiritual practice already)? I'll tell you as soon as we
>jointly do Chi Gong. Natally it's a Saggitarius Mars, ruled by a Virgo
>Jupiter, closely trined by an Aries Venus.
>
>First thing I was thinking of also was "conflict in my partnership(s)", but
>upon telling my wife - hey honey, there, we have a period of conflict
>coming - her deep frown quickly told me that this prospect is so unpleasant
>that it really can't be true. Prudently, I've scheduled a day swimming
>today, hopefully putting that Mars-in-Pisces to some good use together :-)
>
>Now that I think of it more, it may also signify a bit of a coming out,
>being less reclusive, ie more assertive in social ways. Isn't it Mars rising
>on my personal horizon? A funny Mars that is, in Pisces, of all signs.
RM: I've noticed that astrologers and also new visitors to aamod
repeatedly "take the risk" and ask questions about their charts when
Mars is close to the Angles, so in my opinion you are already
experiencing the MA/Desc transit in one way already :-))
Actually searches on Google are very handy for seeing astrologers
transits at work. If we do such searches we can see people "showing
their transits" without anyone noticing it at the time.
>
>(By the way, I better tell you, I'm a terribly slow poster. Always have
>trouble keeping up with the pace of usenet. Also not helped by the fact that
>the moderator is in a very different timezone than me. Hope you can bear
>with the accumulated delay.)
RM: I the moderator sees your comment above, he will probably speed
things up for you and let your posts go through automatically, now
that he can knows you are using a different email address and you are
unlikely to post anything unacceptable.
>
>I usually do notice Mars-transits as events more than any other transits. Oh
>yes, and I feel like buying that laptop more than ever before. No joke, and
>as much as I can discern, no self-fulfilling prohecy :-)
RM: Just don't *drop* it, or you may still end up in conflict :-))
>
>Love astrology, helps putting things in perspective.
>
>Regards
>Georg
Ray
Ray Murphy
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In article <L16Sa.236888$1F6.2...@news.chello.at>, "Anna Naggies"
<anna....@gmx.at> wrote:
>I for one can say that with Mars in the 10th house I always had a rather
>good time at work, little victories in professional arguments and that sort
>of things.
>
>Georg
RM: Yes, comments or conversations which are recalled by those
concerned many years afterwards :-)
Ray
Tante Lina
>than about 28 (pre-Saturn return), it can represent a male
>younger than yourself
Oops! This should have been, a male around the same age as yourself.
* TL *