Yod in chart with Mars as focal point--Meaning?
jer...@my-deja.com
Capricorn) sextile to each other, with both pointing to Mars in Gemini
(sixth house) in a Yod or Finger of God formation.
I've looked up the Yod on various internet sites and have gathered
enough info to know that this formation has to do with one's fate or
destiny, but I don't know what it means or how to interpret it. Does
anybody know?
--Jeri
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Before you buy.
christine
how you act. The *finger* points to the 6th house consequences of your
actions!
Just an idea!
Regards. Christine
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jer...@my-deja.com
"christine" <christ...@planet.nl> wrote:
> Loosen up, enjoy life, but take personal responsibility for what you
do and
> how you act. The *finger* points to the 6th house consequences of your
> actions!
> Just an idea!
> Regards. Christine
Then the finger is pointing to Mars in Gemini in the sixth house. Does
that mean that I will have the high energy (Mars) to communicate ideas
(Gemini) in my service to others (sixth house)? Or are you saying that
my Neptune in Scorpio and Saturn in Capricorn will somehow cause me to
suffer sixth house consequences and thus lose my abilities to
communicate ideas with high energy?
Which way does the Yod work? Is it a warning of consequences, or is it
a statement of destiny (ie, what a person is supposed to do)? And how
to the other two points (in my situation, Neptune and Saturn) factor in
to the whole situation?
Thorough explanations welcome!
Dee
they're friendly to each other.
As long as your motives are selfless the energy stays
positive. If you over do it at work your health will suffer.
Who needs a nervous breakdown ?
Peace, Dee
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Dee
I've decided to look at them as a present with a string
attached. Makes them more interesting. Pisses you off.
(oops) I'm fortunate in that all four of my strings are also
presents, although it's very confusing.
Thanks, Dee
christine
Do you think Cap. Asc. and Saturn in 1st can ever be selfless? I was
wondering whether Saturn will need to bring a dose of reality to Neptune's
naturally "selfless" behaviour, unless the person is aware that a *selfless
role* is being played out. (Good for actors, Dr's etc?)
Kind regards. Christine.
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>Oh, yes. Your Saturn And Neptune are tense, even though
>they're friendly to each other.
>As long as your motives are selfless the energy stays
>positive. If you over do it at work your health will suffer.
>Who needs a nervous breakdown ?
>Peace, Dee
jer...@my-deja.com
Dee <lilleyN...@netcom.ca.invalid> wrote:
> My last post on Yods, promise.
>
> I've decided to look at them as a present with a string
> attached. Makes them more interesting. Pisses you off.
> (oops) I'm fortunate in that all four of my strings are also
> presents, although it's very confusing.
> Thanks, Dee
>
And to think I was annoyed because I thought Christine's post was
obscure, vague, and quite possibly merely a cliche that was trying to
be passed off as an articulate answer based on concepts held in the
lore/science of astrology. Is it just my perception, or does a
question on the inscrutable yod call forth statements that make no
sense whatsoever?
DOes anybody have anything to say about the yod that is based on
planets, signs, and houses?
jer...@my-deja.com
Dee <lilleyN...@netcom.ca.invalid> wrote:
> Oh, yes. Your Saturn And Neptune are tense, even though
> they're friendly to each other.
> As long as your motives are selfless the energy stays
> positive. If you over do it at work your health will suffer.
> Who needs a nervous breakdown ?
> Peace, Dee
But how does this make a "Finger of God"? ie, that thing that is a
pointer to our destiny? The yod is a significant and rare expression
in the chart. The idea that "work too hard and you might get sick" is
somehow an explicit direction in a chart that it took three planets in
a rare configuration to state as a person's fate is not convincing. No
more so than the idea that I have to take responsibility for my
actions. After all, Saturn alone in any house teaches that.
The yod has got to be more than a series of glib cliches. I'm sure of
that. I checked a page on Qabbalistic divination, and even though the
writer describes the meaning of the yod itself, he lends no insight on
it as it appears in a chart.
The yod is a description of destiny; a slot that a single person fits.
It's not a general precept or a moral precept or even a moral cliche
(anyway, not according to the Qabbalistic writers). It's a statement
about destiny and fate---ie, what a person must do to fulfill the
mission of his or her life.
I just ordered two books on the Yod. I'll post any answers that I find.
Ogron bob
weeks ago, the two tips of the Y constantly adjust and maintain the stem of the
Y. (Veronica, if you are reading, I hope I represented you accurately)
In other words, your destiny, according to the Yod, is Mars in the sixth house
in Gemini. So your destiny is related to your house of service, which has
something to do with perceptive thinking, perceptive communication, the rapid
transfer of information; possibly the communciation or the understanding of
health concepts. If you're a teacher, writer, or doctor, the destiny will be
much more clear to you.
But Neptune and Saturn in your chart will each exert a tension that guides and
maintains your destiny. This is really an excellent configuration because the
higher self of Neptune will be controlled by the discipline of Saturn; and the
grim defeatism of Saturn will be lightened and lifted by the higher mind of
Neptune. It's interesting that the first house is the house of your
personality and self, and the tenth house is your house of public standing. So
being true to yourself is something that is spelled out very clearly in your
chart. To fulfill your destiny, you will probably have to take some public
role, or perhaps there will be public repurcussions (or perhaps the public will
not appreciate whatever you contribute. This is another possible meaning with
Neptune in the 10th.) But whatever happens, be true to yourself and work with
discipline.
The higher mind of neptune in your public life is tuned to Scorpionic ideas:
mysteries, death, sex, but it can put them on the highest possible level of
interpretation. (Beware, it can also be self deceived about them!) Saturn in
his domicile in your chart means that he will be fully expressed. There will
be no easy routes in what you do, but if you presevere, you will succeed.
And all of this points to your life's mission, which is mercury in the sixth
house in Gemini.
--Bob
christine
and MISSION. One does not necessarily have to be the other, do you think? I
have seen charts with 3 or more Yods, Yods with the same sextile but a
slightly different apex. In such cases, which "destiny" and "mission" takes
precedence and should one follow? And if there are squares to work through
as well, do these have to forego the importance of the Yod figure? And what
is the Sun's *role* in the scenography, or the *higher mind* M.C, called the
destiny point? I agree that Neptune through it's highest mind can *find*
and experience a reality through Saturn in Capricorn, but many of life's
lower mind *mistakes and disappointments* may first need to be realised,
worked with and rectified through Saturn before it can be expressed. Mars
in Gemini deals and works with the importance of the personal ego in general
relationships only and is not concerned with the *higher mind politics* of
Neptune's selflessness, UNLESS one is talking of a highly individualised
soul using the Mars energy at another level. The 6th deals with service to
onesself as well, and the cleansing of the impurities( Virgo oriented) in
the Self which can lead to ill health. Neptune's idealism may tend to avoid
but will have to go through such confrontations. The questioner may be
asking others( people and books) to point his way because he does not yet
want to) see it clearly(Neptune) himself. Possibly due to a (current)
feeling of lack of purpose about life (Neptune inScorpio10th). Can Neptune
* pay the ferryman the price* of total self sacrifice towards a higher goal?
How is Pluto placed in the chart? The questioner could be involved in many
roles involving manipulation by himself, or towards him from others,
before he finds his true vocation and dedication.. where is Pisces in the
chart? There's so much to look at before we reach our personal idea of
Heaven!
Kind regards.
Christine.
jer...@my-deja.com
Pisces in my chart.
It's hard to imagine anybody having three yod formations in one chart,
unless you mean you are taking every sextile in the chart and simply
finding a point somewhere that you are calling a Yod.
But the definition I understood was that the yod is made up of three
planets.
I looked up Veronica's analysis of the Yod, and it was very clear and
helpful. As I am a writer by profession and also by avocation, the
idea of the high energy of Mars being applied to Gemini the rational
communicator in the sixth house of health and service makes perfect
sense. I work as a technical writer for Glaxo-Wellcome, the
pharmeceutical research company, so it all fits rather well: health,
medicine, writing, communication, and the requirement to learn new
information quickly. On my own, I also maintain a web site of science
fiction, martial arts memoirs, and updates on Creutzfield Jacob Disease
(ie, mad cow disease). The only other insight that I can add is that I
am also a martial artist and I write a lot about martial arts, so
that---to me---also seems to fit the idea of my destiny or mission
being linked to Mars (god of combat) in Gemini in the sixth.
It looks to me like the Yod is not confused by conflicting
possibilities or minor attributes of the planet/sign/house in which it
falls. Neither is it correctly assessed by generalities like "If you
work too hard, you'll get sick." Rather, the Yod seems to make all of
the attributes of the planet/sign/house of its focal point a coherent
whole in a person's life.
Dee
I see your point.
Your suggestions were helpful, but the person would need
at least a smidge of self-awareness to implement them.
Thanks for the insights,
Best Wishes, Dee
Dee
I know yods are special, I have four of them myself.
I aplogize for being glib, altough I still think that loosening
up
is great advice given the specifics.
O.k., I'm breaking a promise I made earlier in this thread.
All of my yods are each connected to each other in an
unbroken circle of yods. If you could check in your book for
this and post it, I'd be grateful, so far it sucks except for the
talking, burning bush.
Peace again,
Dee
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======================================= MODERATOR'S COMMENT:
Dee, have you posted your birth data? If not, would you be willing to? Or to at least post the positions relavent to the Yods?
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"christine" <christ...@planet.nl> wrote:
> I noticed two words used to explain the focal point of the
Yod....DESTINY
> and MISSION. One does not necessarily have to be the other, do you
think?
My POV is that the Yod describes DESTINY. But I would like to see
another analysis, if you can provide one. Although I assume from all
the complexities you mention that you cannot.
> I
> have seen charts with 3 or more Yods, Yods with the same sextile but a
> slightly different apex. In such cases, which "destiny" and "mission"
takes
> precedence and should one follow? And if there are squares to work
through
> as well, do these have to forego the importance of the Yod figure?
No, but if the question is about the Yod, then define the Yod. Talk
about the two planets that control and maintain the focal planet. Then
talk about the focal planet.
> And what
> is the Sun's *role* in the scenography, or the *higher mind* M.C,
called the
> destiny point?
None, because the question was about the Yod, not the chart.
<SNIP>
> The questioner may be
> asking others( people and books) to point his way because he does not
yet
> want to) see it clearly(Neptune) himself. Possibly due to a (current)
> feeling of lack of purpose about life (Neptune inScorpio10th).
The objective is to analyze the Yod, not the questioner. The
astrologer simply analyzes the two sextile planets in their respective
houses and signs and the controls they exert over the focal planet.
Then the astrologer discusses the ramifications of the focal planet in
its house and sign as a sort of apex of the other two planets. Some of
what you mentioned about purification and Virgo, etc., is stuff I've
never heard of. We may be of two different schools of thought. No
matter where the sun is in the chart, or Pisces, or Virgo, a sixth
house Mars in Gemini speaks of fiery energy devoted to sixth house
activities put through the filter of Gemini. Of course there can be
other factors. But that is still a sixth house Mars in Gemini.
<SNIP>
> The questioner could be involved in many
> roles involving manipulation by himself, or towards him from others,
> before he finds his true vocation and dedication.
Same as above. The only thing the astrologer can do is analyze the Yod.
>There's so much to look at before we reach our personal idea of
> Heaven!
The question wasn't about heaven---just about the Yod! And if the only
response in light of all these complexities is to give confused
responses, then one might as well not study astrology at all!
Of course there are all sorts of unforeseen side issues, but
fortunately, as long as the astrologer knows the planet, sign, house,
and formation (Yod, in this case), an answer with some accuracy can be
rendered.
jer...@my-deja.com
Dee <lilleyN...@netcom.ca.invalid> wrote:
> Hi Jeriwho,
>
> I know yods are special, I have four of them myself.
> I aplogize for being glib, altough I still think that loosening
> up
> is great advice given the specifics.
TEH YOD BOOK, by Karen Hamaker-Zondag does not really go into the
planet/house/sign aspects that much (though she does tell the reader
how to do a step-by-step presentation of information, but she assumes
the reader already knows the details about planets in houses in
signs.) Her focus is on the yod as a presence in the chart; ie, as a
presence in the person. Here are some general attributes of "yod"
people that she has observed:
Each yod, apart from the characteristics of the planets/houses/signs
that make it up, will be accompanied by restlessness and searching in
those areas that are aspected. The latent power of the planet in the
house in the sign (such as my Mars in 6th in Gemini, to name one of the
three that make up my yod) will be covered by a restlessness and
searching quality. We yod people receive answers to our endless
questioning, but we immediately set out for the next answer in the
search.
The three planets in the yod will influence each other with
restlessness and searching. The energy is similar to a square, but it
lasts a lot longer and may never be fully resolved. (Again, as soon as
the person reaches one resolution, the restlessness will move him or
her to another resolution.)
The insecurity generated by the tension and restlessness of the yod may
make the person "crash" in despair, but it may also enable the person
to find and create new forms of meaning and strength. (My own guess is
that this is where the "destiny" idea comes into play.) People with
yods are capable of ingenious solutions, new ways to look at old
problems, and a brilliant ability to rise from conflict as a renewed
self.
On the "fated side" she observes that some people with yods have a very
different second half of life from their first half of life. They also
may undergo many family problems as children because they may
unconsciously reflect back to their parents and siblings the repressed
wrongs/sins/secrets of the family (all of this is completely without
conscious intent). Yod people may be insecure as children. And as
adults.
The best example of a "Yod" person that I can think of would be Joseph
from the Old Testament. He fits many of the attributes that the author
describes.
The author strongly suggests that yod people get in touch with
themselves, be willing to acceot themselves as unique individuals, work
in harmony with their restless searching, be willing to be patient in
their ever changing situations, and yet never avoid the "jams" they
encounter, but rather face them calmly. For yod people, facing inner
conflicts (and all conflicts) is probably the quickest way to get
through them.
There's tons more in the book. It was a good read. I really recommend
it, though it will not give you a "cookbook" approach.
Dee
> Dee, have you posted your birth data? If not, would you be
willing to? Or to at least post the positions relavent to the
Yods?
Hello Moderator,
I did post my birth data but I suppose that falls under
missing posts.
1/ neptune conjunct saturn & Asc. all sextile to mars, these
are inconjunct jupiter in a yod
2/ neptune sextile pluto both inconjuct moon
3/ moon sextile jupiter both inconjuct uranus
4/ jupiter sextile uranus both inconjunct mars
It's a fairly tight configuation.
October 2 1952 Libra rising 22 degrees
moon Pisces 24 degrees
Thank you!
Dee
Because it all rang pretty true and I like the harmony part.
Teh would be another Hebrew letter, Yod means "hand of
man" according to Paul Foster Case, "The Tarot", another
good read.
Best Wishes
christine
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>Pluto is ninth house in Virgo, and the cusp of the third house is in
>Pisces in my chart.
>>> Would you be prepared to to give the exact birth data? I'd be interested
to see your chart (for learning purposes).
>It's hard to imagine anybody having three yod formations in one chart,
>unless you mean you are taking every sextile in the chart and simply
>finding a point somewhere that you are calling a Yod.
>But the definition I understood was that the yod is made up of three
>planets.
>>>> I know it sounds strange but it DOES happen. I read somewhere of a
person having to live with 5 Yod figures. True, a yod could be made up of a
sextile with a midpoint at the apex, but I personally do not use the latter
so am referring to 3 planetary energies seeking their own space!
>I looked up Veronica's analysis of the Yod, and it was very clear and
>helpful.
>>> I never saw this and was not criticising the words of another, just
expressing some personal ideas.
As I am a writer by profession and also by avocation, the
>idea of the high energy of Mars being applied to Gemini the rational
>communicator in the sixth house of health and service makes perfect
>sense. I work as a technical writer for Glaxo-Wellcome, the
>pharmeceutical research company, so it all fits rather well: health,
>medicine, writing, communication, and the requirement to learn new
>information quickly. On my own, I also maintain a web site of science
>fiction, martial arts memoirs, and updates on Creutzfield Jacob Disease
>(ie, mad cow disease). The only other insight that I can add is that I
>am also a martial artist and I write a lot about martial arts, so
>that---to me---also seems to fit the idea of my destiny or mission
>being linked to Mars (god of combat) in Gemini in the sixth.
>>> Thank you for that information, which sheds so much more light on how
energies manifest in reality.
>
>It looks to me like the Yod is not confused by conflicting
>possibilities or minor attributes of the planet/sign/house in which it
>falls. Neither is it correctly assessed by generalities like "If you
>work too hard, you'll get sick."
>>>>> Wait until you're laid up (in bed) for a while before thinking this
will not apply.
Mars can 'burn up' and override the Gemini 'intellect'; send infections by
sharp instruments through the nerves, short circuit mental fuses,
etc.etc., Could this apply sometime to a writer who may have to work with
deadlines? Your use of martial arts is a wonderful way to release the energy
and keep that Yod working in a positive way. What *earthly reality* made
you choose that form of self discipline? I had 7 different scenarios ready
to explain it.......providing you were open for debate??!!!!
Rather, the Yod seems to make all of
>the attributes of the planet/sign/house of its focal point a coherent
>whole in a person's life.
>
>>>> And you are buying books?????
>> Kind Regards. Christine.
jer...@my-deja.com
Dee <lilleyN...@netcom.ca.invalid> wrote:
> Thank you so much, a beautiful post, I'll order that book.
> Because it all rang pretty true and I like the harmony part.
> Teh would be another Hebrew letter, Yod means "hand of
> man" according to Paul Foster Case, "The Tarot", another
> good read.
> Best Wishes
> Dee
I apologize for the confusion I have created! While "Teh" is indeed a
Hebrew symbol, in this instance it is my mis-spelling of the word
"The". The title of the book is actually THE YOD BOOK.
Thank you for your kind praise for the information I posted! Of course,
what else could you expect from a person driven to enthusiastically
communicate information that serves others? (Yod focal point is Mars in
6th in Gemini!) And now you also see why I am restless and impatient
with glib answers.
I will also add that Hamaker-Zondag includes some chapters on the yod
in relationships in her book, but I have not read those yet.
jer...@my-deja.com
"christine" <christ...@planet.nl> wrote:
>>>>> Wait until you're laid up (in bed) for a while before thinking
>>>>this will not apply.
>>>Mars can 'burn up' and override the Gemini 'intellect'; send
>>>infections by sharp instruments through the nerves, short circuit
>>>mental fuses, etc.etc., Could this apply sometime to a writer who
>>>may have to work with deadlines? <<<<
Are you really sticking by the silly assessment that a yod that points
to Mars in the sixth in Gemini indicates that a person's destiny is to
get sick if he or she works too hard?
Now you're just being silly.
I'm a martial artist because---apparently---it's my destiny to be a
martial artist. I'll say it again: Mars in the sixth in Gemini.
Ray Murphy
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REPLY
I think it is more accurate to say that we can have a *tendency to gravitate
towards martial arts or some similar activity, rather than be destined to
follow that path. If we stop and think about the various cultures in the
world now and in the past we will realise that some hobbies or occupations
were not known or did not exist.
Sure, people would have had certain "leanings" in agricultural communities,
where everyone had the same occupation - but most of them had no set
destiny.
Ray Murphy
Steve Zephyr
> I have Neptune (10th house, Scorpio) and Saturn (first house,
> Capricorn) sextile to each other, with both pointing to Mars in Gemini
> (sixth house) in a Yod or Finger of God formation.
>
> I've looked up the Yod on various internet sites and have gathered
> enough info to know that this formation has to do with one's fate or
> destiny, but I don't know what it means or how to interpret it. Does
> anybody know?
Jeri :
This post, inquiring about the Yod aspect reminds me of other inquiries which occasionally pop up regarding the meaning of chart-wide aspects like "fixed crosses", "grand trines" or other chart-encompassing configurations.
The true significance of the Yod for an entire chart becomes far more tractable, once you are comfortable recognizing how the individual planets have affected the houses being inter-related thru the Yod.
With every similar chart-wide aspect, it is always important to FIRST detail the impact of the particular planets and houses involved, together with any individual aspects, before attempting to grasp the overall significance of the aspect's chart-wide implications. For instance, you noted that your Scorpio Neptune in the Tenth House is involved in a "Yod" aspect with your Capricorn Saturn in the First House, pointing at your Gemini Mars in the Sixth House.
The first step in understanding this particular 'Yod', is to first understand how the Sixth House is affected by having your natal Mars there; or understanding what has been the effect of having your Tenth House going through its own proper development, with your natal Neptune squatting there? You can't accurately appreciate this Yod or other chart-wide dynamics, until you can FIRST understand how the individual planets are affecting the development of their respective occupied houses!
Even without the presence of major aspects, chart houses are often characterized by that house's often-isolated, even provincial attempts to develop while responding to the apparent needs of the particular planets located there. Chart-wide aspects, on the other hand, tend to involve individual planets and the several houses they occupy, into a larger dynamic. So, appreciating these planet-affected houses separately, will clarify for you the specific energies and perceptional issues, these planeted houses will eventually bring to bear, collectively, upon your Sixth House, and the Mars there.
In your specific case, the acquired perceptions which you've developed around the presence of Neptune in the Tenth, and the attitudes which you've evolved as a result of your Saturn in your First, should initially be viewed as having already affected the longterm development and perceived needs of your Tenth and First Houses, respectively. You need to be able to cite specific examples from your own past which show just exactly how and where these planets have shaped the affairs of the specific houses they occupy.
Thru the mechanism of the shared sextile between them, your natal Neptune and natal Saturn already know how to intelligently combine (their mutual Sextile), their shared energies, in order to adapt to their own individual needs. But, before you try to anticipate the effects of the Sextile between these two planets, and their interaction with the crux of your Yod (the Mars in the Sixth House), you need to feel comfortable within your present understanding of just how Saturn and Neptune have be co-operating all along, to achieve their own needs, elsewhere in your life.
Next, as for the "Yod" aspect itself, the basic difficulty associated with the Yod aspect is usually related specifically to the tension created by the Yod's "closed" network system of double-inconjuncts. This "closed" aspectal tension is similar to the tension that natural exists between every Ascendant of an Equal House Chart and the cusps of that chart's 8th and 6th Houses. The Yod aspect is a "closed" configuration in the same way that the Sixth House and the Eighth House, both surround, isolate, and yet pointedly draw attention directly to the same single point in the Equal House chart: the Ascendant. In the Yod configuration of your chart, the Mars plays this important role, because it is the shared point of focus of the odds twin inconjuncts.
The whole idea behind even concerning ourselves with the Yod configuration aspect, is based upon the idea that the Yod's angles mirror many of the naturally-occurring "Yod-like" tensions, which naturally occur in every Equal-House Chart. From our understanding of the naturally-occurring "Yod" configuration as found in the basic equal-house wheel, we can derive in understanding that the Yod aspect will naturally contain many of the same tensions, frequently so she did with the elemental tensions of the premier inconjuncts of the 8th and 6th Houses, such as: "sacrifices", "demands placed upon us" by the needs of the houses involved.
For instance, the Eighth House "inconjunct" aspect, naturally occurring between the 8th equal-house Cusp and the chart Ascendant, makes us aware of the possibility of our need to experience sacrifice in order to fulfill commitments demanded of us by our obligations with or to others (the 8th House). Similarly, the energies we've applied and invested thru our developed awareness of the Sixth House inconjunct tensions, makes us aware of the necessity of making self-sacrifices in the course of fulfilling the service demands of the Sixth House. Together, these twin inconjuncts can create a very personal feeling of being forced, locked in, or even the ever-present experience of constantly feeling trapped. Unrelieved, the "Yod" aspect can make us feel we are being made to focus upon a single theme or course of action -- as though from two separate priorities in life --- regardless of our own desires, as though guided by fate, or even the "finger of God".
In short, the Yod aspect, like its naturally-occurring counterpart -- found in any equal-house wheel -- is composed of two individual and distinct inconjunct aspects. Just one inconjunct, seen by itself can be described variously as engrossing, and ever demanding of much self-denial -- even while it is frequently quite engaging and a source of special self-satisfaction. A pair of inconjuncts, especially those framed together in a "Yod" configuration, can be doubly self-consuming and equally self-energizing -- and together they single out, one specific point in the individual's self-awareness, like a recurring fixation.
This single point of self-expression and focus, made salient by the Yod's dynamics, surfaces in the consciousness of the chart-owner, like a revelatory epiphany, amidst the tensions of the inconjuncts, which have been rallying around issues of "commitment," "sacrifice" and the necessity of "personal service" in the chart-owner's life. This single point of awareness, manifesting as a dynamic crux of personal insight, often becomes poignantly clear, and manifests the simple genius of taking a 'single course of action', possessing the remarkable virtue of being a common solution to both, long-standing, separate, yet equally-frustrating circumstances or situations occurring over and over in the chart owner's life. The Yod configuration, communicates to this person, rather exquisitely, and with a deceptively singular clarity, that the chart owner must spend the entire life, personally shouldering alone, the entire responsibility for melding twin disparate, lifelong frustrations, by taking a singly course of action, which becomes for both a single, thematic, unifying solution.
In your case, this means activating your Mars, is your number one solution!
Working directly with Mars, within inconjunct aspects, can sometimes make you feel like you've taken a "tiger by the tail". So now you must "hold that Tiger" and don't let go no matter what! It is dangerous to stay, and dangerous to let go! It seems you could lose either way! So what do you do?
More Mars!
In spite of what might naturally be supposed, the key to activating a Gemini Mars' is NOT by introducing more Gemini themes into your life. (In fact, that's how you activate a Mercury, instead)
The key perception for you here is to openly solicit and then motivate your environment to accept the natural right of Aries to manifest itself, here (Thru Aries' agent Mars) in your Sixth House! You should constantly be looking for an ever-increasing number of "opportunities" (read: projects for which you bear direct responsibility!) thru which you will be expected to act out and demonstrate your enthusiasm for Mars' initiatives. For you, your lifelong goal should be to see to it that Mars is definitely recognized as a factor of every one of your Sixth House environments -- Both in response to the needs of the Sixth House, AND as a back-up plan, in the event your Mars receives insufficient support and encouragement from the people and situations you associate with your Fourth House! (Here, I am assuming that you have Aries on your Fourth House cusp.)
Now, Saturn and Neptune in your chart, speak to all the "needful symbolism" of your life, and how it eventually reflects back upon your acquired identity (Ascendant and Tenth Houses). In this case, they are likely BOTH relying upon Mars to provide the bulk of any needed grunt work. Now you may freely decide to play the Mars (self-employed, employee, employer), or you may be trying to find someone else to play Mars' role for you. But, while the specific choice is yours, you will however always feel yourself to be more connected and dynamically involved -- it the present moment of your own life!! -- if OWN the daily tasks you are called upon to perform. You already possess sufficient self-awareness of the advantages of individual action, so that you are able to understand the value of working independently, without the need for much supervision and over-sight. And -- yes! -- all this can even drive you to become something of a workaholic.
If you've tripped up in the past and you want jump start the situation, forget about whatever in your past may have kept your Mars from fully functioning in the majority of Sixth House situations you've faced. That's not the issue here. Focus instead upon stirring up the Sixth House, energizing it any in which way you can! Your Mars will simply not be able to sit idly by and do nothing about it !
If you activate your Sixth, your Mars gets involved. If you involve your Mars, the Saturn and the Neptune are going to respond according to the specific individual inconjunct aspects which they have acquired working together (Sextile), and with Mars when there was work to be done (Sixth House). As Mars actively responds in real-time to the needs of the Sixth (as opposed to just its own!), the structured self-satisfaction of Saturn in the First, and the public identity which frequently is rife with meaningful symbolism (Neptune in Tenth), will be forced to accommodate the activities of Mars.
With the energies flow originating from within the Sixth House, up of thru the skeletal structure lines of the Yod's twin inconjunct aspects, Saturn and Neptune will be forced to accommodate Mars. Remember the presence of any aspect, between two planets, always means that one planet CANNOT long act without the reaction of the other. So as long as Mars feels is motivated by the issues of your Sixth House (as opposed to its own selfish interests), Neptune in Saturn will sooner or later, be forced to accommodate Mars' initiatives, due to the common inconjunct aspect Mars has with them both.
Summary:
Like any chart-wide configuration, the "Yod" inter-relates the individual planets, the separate houses they occupy, the specific dynamics of the inconjuncts -- and in the Yod -- even a functioning developmental sextile, to boot! But, before the Yod or any other chart-wide aspect, can be fully appreciated -- there must be awareness of the entire configuration's natural context the chart, as well as useful understanding of the individual needs and demands placed upon each planetary and house factor -- all, before we can reasonably anticipate its specific meaning in the chart before us.
Just a thought!
Steve Zephyr
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"We can do no great things!
.... Only small things with great love."
Dee
it's my destiny
I'm sorry, but I think the idea of destiny is a cop-out, it
narrows the vision, blocks options and impedes
development. At the least.
Goals and dreams are terrific, necessary, but one must be
flexible to achieve them. For instance, limiting your gemini
martian expression to writing and martial arts may not be a
good idea if you want to use this as a yod focal point, you'll
have to express those sextiling energies as well. Even
neptune. I would suggest that saturn cardinal in it's
rulership is the dominant planet here, not the focal point.
Mars is diverting your attention. Importantly, while your
struggles are paying off at long last you need to realize that
ambition isn't everything. Saturn forces obligations so that
growth may occur. Please don't misconstrue this as any
kind of threat, it's basic astrology, I'm merely trying to point
out that one of it's great lessons is that everything we have
is on loan, especially the things we take for granted. I sense
a major arian influence here, and possibly a substance
abusing parent. I don't mind being wrong, in fact I hope I am.
Now you go do something silly, I know you hate the idea but
it will beef up your saturn. I'll go plot my career moves (joke)
best wishes dee
ps I can't type, I'm usually briefer
christine
jer...@my-deja.com heeft geschreven in bericht
<8ljv2v$e8o$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...>
>Are you really sticking by the silly assessment that a yod that points
>to Mars in the sixth in Gemini indicates that a person's destiny is to
>get sick if he or she works too hard?
>
>>>> It's certainly helping you to let off some steam with your words....
and that might act as the valve which regularly springs and
saves*( quincunx to SA en NE) you FROM ill health!!!
>Now you're just being silly.
>>> Is that a touch of Mars in Gemini argumentative sarcasm because some
people have different ideas to those of Mars in Gemini?
>I'm a martial artist because---apparently---it's my destiny to be a
>martial artist. I'll say it again: Mars in the sixth in Gemini.
>
>>> I sincerely hope that *destiny* may never disappoint( Quincunx SA-NE)
you. She is known by a lot of other names and faces and can be rather
fickle-minded in Gemini.
Good Wishes.
Christine.
Ray Murphy
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In article <8lm6u7$ap052$1...@reader2.wxs.nl>, "christine"
<christ...@planet.nl> wrote:
REPLY
It's now time to talk politely on this topic - the other way is not working.
Ray
jer...@my-deja.com
Dee <lilleyN...@netcom.ca.invalid> wrote:
> ---apparently-- ( ??? )
>
> it's my destiny
>
> I'm sorry, but I think the idea of destiny is a cop-out, it
> narrows the vision, blocks options and impedes
> development. At the least.
> Goals and dreams are terrific, necessary, but one must be
> flexible to achieve them. For instance, limiting your gemini
> martian expression to writing and martial arts may not be a
> good idea if you want to use this as a yod focal point, you'll
> have to express those sextiling energies as well. Even
> neptune.
Oh come now. You limited it way more than I did, and the other person
limited it further. All these vague words that don't mean anything and
those silly moral cliches. "Be willing to take responsibility for your
actions." "If you work too hard you'll get sick." Whose chart
*doesn't* say those things? What kind of assessments are those?
As far as my yod is concerned, it seems that it was explained (and I
believe it) that the creativity of Neptune and the self discipline of
Saturn will help each other (as sextiles should) because they will
regulate my Mars Sixth house in Gemini. I agree with that, and I see
in my life that it is proved out extensively: Writing for genetic
research, writing on health issues, writing about martial arts, writing
Doctor Who fiction (I have the most read Dr. Who fiction site on the
internet!), and doing martial arts.
Destiny, when it is correctly assessed, is not a limiter. In point of
fact, it is a liberator. Frees a person up from the expectations of
others so that he/she can get on with what is genuinely important to
him/her. How could I find the assessment to be a writer and a martial
artist limiting? Those are the two things I love to do best! And why?
Because they are my destiny! All those nagging self doubts about why I
don't keep a neater house, why my attention is far more captured by
books than by nice clothes, nice furniture, a nice car, why I prefer to
stay in with a few friends and discuss religion or history than go out
to a party---it's all okay! I know my destiny. The stars have
dictated that I must be exactly what I am, and it goes way beyond
"taking responsibility for my actions," (though I agree with that
morality), and "If you work too hard, you'll get sick." It's my opinion
that glib, vague, and cliched assessments about "self purification" and
"strings" limit people, because these meaningless assessments never get
down to the specifics of what a person can and should do in this life.
I'm sure there are several schools of thought regarding destiny, but I
believe in it. The fact that I have done all of these Mars in sixth
house in Gemini things without even knowing it was my destiny seems to
bear it out. But you need not agree. Stop by my web site if you like:
http://www.pipeline.com/~jeriwho/index.html
jer...@my-deja.com
I do my "homework" on the yod in my chart.
I can say that service, work, and health have been big areas of concern
in my life. I love to read and learn new things, but I always evaluate
everything I do based on what I can produce from it that is useful, or
at least entertaining. I thought this was simply because I am a Virgo,
and I'm sure that sun sign contributes to it, but I see that Mars has
been heavily influencing my sixth house with its urge to take action in
sixth house concerns.
Regarding Neptune and Saturn, I have some understanding of their
effects, but I need to read up more about them in their particular
signs and houses in my chart.
Thank you for your thoughtful post.
--Jeri
christine
Ray Murphy heeft geschreven in bericht <397ea...@news.chariot.net.au>...
Ray,
In your opinion, WHO was being impolite? Certainly not me, nor do I believe
"Jeri", "Dee" or "Bob" was. We have all been simply discussing a difference
regarding astrological ideas.... the point of this NG, I believe?
Thank goodness, Steve's reply has answered for all of us!!
Christine.
Dee
about astrology than in twenty-odd years of random books.
Right now my mars sag 3rd *focal point* is over-acting, but
definitely. Until the next one demands attention in
September. I've noticed that planets mid-point the sextiles in
opp to the *focal* are a huge factor.
Warm Regards,
Dee