abusive behavior in Libra
LHollo7587
Libra with Sun conjunct Pluto. He also has Moon in Scorpio square Mars in
Aquarius. My Sun conjuncts his Mars (ans squares his Moon, of course). His
Ascendant conjuncts my Mars in Aries. Anyway, he was physically abusive
(childhood trauma). I wondered if anyone could offer a little insight.
his info:
9/23/71 7:29pm Terre Haute, IN
mine:
2/5/72 8:04pm Chattanooga, TN
I appreciate any opinons.
and...@my-deja.com
You are 100% correct. He is abusive to his partners. For starters you
will notice that your ascendant is placed in the 6th house to his. The
6th is the house of violence and abuse, so this is no good.
Between 4/91 and 10/93 you met a guy, I don't know if it was this one,
who you were seriously involved with. Either at work or he was a
working man. There were problems with this guy as well, could also have
been physical. What happenned btween 1/96 and 12/96, looks like some
serious problems. Loss of lover? illness? Between 12/96 and 9/99 there
is a change of residence and change of employment. Is this when you
moved in with this guy? From 9/99 to 6/00 there is risk of physical
injury to you, so watch out. Could also be trouble with authorities.
You must be careful.
Your boyfriend, I would break up with him. His abusive problems are
chronic. It is not possible for him to have a normal relationship.
There are some sexual problems as early back as between 7/85 and 3/88.
Between 3/88 and 4/89 a relationship with a girl of different
background. It shows him meeting a beautiful girl btween 4/89 and 6/92,
but already there is problems with this girl. Between 6/92 and 6/93 he
abuses his girlfriend. You can ask him about this. Again between 6/93
to 1/95 there is either fighting or illness to the partner, resulting
in emotional problems. Between 1/95 to 2/96 there is abortion. Between
2/96 and 12/98 was he with you at this time? Before I continue, I would
like some feedback on this.
If it is mostly correct, then what sort of insight do you need?
hope this helps,
Andrei
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Before you buy.
Shirley
> Your boyfriend, I would break up with him. His abusive problems are
> chronic. It is not possible for him to have a normal relationship.
When people come to an astrologer for advice the very best that astrologer
can do is advise the client. Under no circumstances should we attempt to
tell the client what to do. The client must make this choice for
themselves.
Maybe his abusive problems have been a way of life for him up to this point
or some future point, but there is a possibility that the person can
change.
When you say that it is not possible to have a normal relationship are you
saying that for some people there is no hope, that they are doomed?
This is irresponsible astrology.
Shirley
DLS
sees you as a servant or livestock, he or she might assume the right to
"punish" you as he or she sees fit.
It is a good thing to be wary of relationships where your ascendant or
lights are in the other person's 12h / 6h axis. A 12h placement makes
it easy for them to project shadow material on you. The 6h connection
makes it easy for them to see you as a convenience.
Lynn
Susan Sarantos wrote in message
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>Hi Andrei,
>Could you explain this one a bit further? I have always felt the sixth
as
>service to others and work.
>Thanks,
>Susan Sarantos
>http://www.sarantos.com
Heather
a violent abusive man "can change" mean while 7 broken bones
later she is still hoping. While astrologers yes should be objective
about a chart they also should somewhat resemble a compassionate
human being...which is missing in way too many astrologers.
Since I have a psychology background my clients always tell
me that they feel fabulous after a session with me... why?
because I don't just analyze their chart.....and stand back.
Shirley if you want to date a Scorpio moon square mars...
knock yourself out. A Scorpio moon is difficult to begin
with but add a square to mars and I wouldn't walk... I would
run. Give me a break....please don't encourage this young lady
to hope he will change...you might just be signing her death
certificate. Unless you are familiar with the dynamics
of abuse you should not counsel on the odds of change...
the odds show a violent person will NOT change. But
rather than "hoping" he will change...I believe a woman
should ask herself what part of herself drew this person in.
Any woman that stays with a man that abuses her has
poor self esteem...it would be more productive to work
on making the woman a stronger person so this pattern
will not repeat... not simply saying"oh gee maybe he
will change" sure he will......when pigs fly.
Heather
Shirley wrote in message <01bf6176$0f4b6de0$0412c0d8@default>...
and...@my-deja.com
"Shirley " <sef...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> and...@my-deja.com wrote in article <860jvb$ac4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>
> > Your boyfriend, I would break up with him. His abusive problems are
> > chronic. It is not possible for him to have a normal relationship.
>
> When people come to an astrologer for advice the very best that
astrologer
> can do is advise the client. Under no circumstances should we
attempt to
> tell the client what to do. The client must make this choice for
> themselves.
>
client must make the choice for themselves. What is the point in
telling the client what to do, when they always do what they want
anyhow? I just made a suggestion as to what I would do in her shoes.
And told her about his chart.
> Maybe his abusive problems have been a way of life for him up to this
point
> or some future point, but there is a possibility that the person can
> change.
Yes but his chart shows fighting and argument with the wife in general
for the 17 years after 2001. Is she willing to wait 17 years? Maybe her
time is better off spent with someone else.
>
> When you say that it is not possible to have a normal relationship
are you
> saying that for some people there is no hope, that they are doomed?
> This is irresponsible astrology.
>
When a person is about to have a car accident is it better not to warn
them? For example between the ages of 13-16 this guy was running a high
risk of car accident.
When they will contract cancer, is it better for them to know
beforehand?
If it was not too late for example I would have warned this guy about
the deteriorating health of his sibling, if he has one. I can for
example give hope in this department. If still alive, after 2001, there
will be a recovery.
She asked for advice about this guy, so I have given it to her. The
problem is this guy is very good-looking and has a great personality.
He is also highly intelligent. What has he studied some kind of science
or technical subject? Also they have high complatability.
But problems and fighting with the partner are also one of the most
obvious features of his chart. The marital life and problems with this
become more apparent after 2001. So I think it is at least fair to warn
her about what this guy is up to.
She is also going to get serious about marriage after June of this
year. If she is still seeing him, then he's the one.
You are correct, there is hope. Is she can put up with the fighting, he
looks like a great guy for her. They are very compatible. I know of
people who put up with it. Life always has good and bad. Maybe his good
points outweigh his bad. These are the questions she should ask.
However I do not think it is fair to her either to not warn her about
his abusive behavior in the future. I dislike abusive people, and would
not send someone asking for advice about this back into a situation
where even if there is not abuse, then there is a lot of fighting.
He has a combination that fructifies after 2001. In this combination it
shows the wife will be fought with or she will have illness. Due to his
past tendencies, I assume that it is abuse. But even if it is not, then
his chart will cause her illness.
However you are correct, there is hope. Due to the past evil actions of
this fellow, he is having problems with his marital life. If he takes
to the spiritual path and performs certain methods to counteract the
malefic karmas at play, then he can conquer this. She can also do this
for him. She can do the neccessary things to defeat the bad habits.
She can do this. I like this girl. I have seen her chart and it is very
spiritual. Especially since 1989 she has had great devotion to god. For
this alone I want to help her. She is so spiritual a person, that she
has a combination that will allow her to receive divine help in her
times of trouble. This shows her sincerity and devotion. So I am very
fond of her already.
You are completely correct Shirley. I have done a wrong thing by
writing my last post without giving any hope to the person. For this I
apologize profusely. I hope I have explained myself enough and have
given hope.
Thanks,
Keera A. Fox
> You are 100% correct. He is abusive to his partners. For starters you
> will notice that your ascendant is placed in the 6th house to his. The
> 6th is the house of violence and abuse, so this is no good.
I've never heard of a *house* connected to violence and abuse, so I was
wondering if you could elaborate on this function/feature of the 6th?
--
*** Keera in Norway ***
Think Big. Shrink to fit.
http://home.sol.no/~keera
wolf camera
Thank you for your response.
I have broken up with this guy, but am still sort of reeling from the whole
experience.
I did date a guy from 9/91 til 9/92. He wasn't abusive, but he was very
jealous. (his birthdate: 3/11/71 if you are curious) We did fight a lot,
come to think of it.
In 96, nothing huge happened, but it was a bad year in general.
betweeen 12/96 and 9/99, never changed employment, but I did move 3 times.
I am not sure of the things you said about my ex. I do know that he was in
a nearly fatal car accident in 1995 (I think that was the year). It was
after a heated arguement with his then girlfriend. Also, he had told me
that she accused him of beating her, but he denied it. Oh, we started
dating in 10/98, so I was seeing him during the time you mentioned.
I think mostly, I just wanted to see if anyone else saw abuse in his chart.
He was always very accusing and tried to make it seem like it was my
fault...like I made him do it. I know that is typical, but it helps to hear
differently. This has been a tough one to get over. I am still scared of
him.
Anyway, everything you said about him makes sense; and it has helped me.
btw...I wondered what indicated abortion to you? He told me once that he
had never gotten a girl pregnant, but he lied about lots of things, I think.
Thanks again!
L.A.
and...@my-deja.com wrote in message <860jvb$ac4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Hi,
>
>You are 100% correct. He is abusive to his partners. For starters you
>will notice that your ascendant is placed in the 6th house to his. The
>6th is the house of violence and abuse, so this is no good.
>
>Between 4/91 and 10/93 you met a guy, I don't know if it was this one,
>who you were seriously involved with. Either at work or he was a
>working man. There were problems with this guy as well, could also have
>been physical. What happenned btween 1/96 and 12/96, looks like some
>serious problems. Loss of lover? illness? Between 12/96 and 9/99 there
>is a change of residence and change of employment. Is this when you
>moved in with this guy? From 9/99 to 6/00 there is risk of physical
>injury to you, so watch out. Could also be trouble with authorities.
>You must be careful.
>
>Your boyfriend, I would break up with him. His abusive problems are
>chronic. It is not possible for him to have a normal relationship.
>There are some sexual problems as early back as between 7/85 and 3/88.
>Between 3/88 and 4/89 a relationship with a girl of different
>background. It shows him meeting a beautiful girl btween 4/89 and 6/92,
>but already there is problems with this girl. Between 6/92 and 6/93 he
>abuses his girlfriend. You can ask him about this. Again between 6/93
>to 1/95 there is either fighting or illness to the partner, resulting
>in emotional problems. Between 1/95 to 2/96 there is abortion. Between
>2/96 and 12/98 was he with you at this time? Before I continue, I would
>like some feedback on this.
>
>If it is mostly correct, then what sort of insight do you need?
>
>hope this helps,
>
and...@my-deja.com
> Could you explain this one a bit further? I have always felt the
sixth as
> service to others and work.
Yes it is also the house of service, but I have been taught that it is
also the house of problems in general, accidents, illness. It also has
to do with physical health.
For example if a powerful Mars is well placed here the person would be
an athlete, if that planet has predominance at an early age.
On the other hand it could also make the person a surgeon if Mars owns
the 11th or 10th house.
Another example is that if the lord of a house representing a person is
in this house, when that planet's power comes into play, there will be
an injury or illness to the person involved. For example the Lord of
the 4th in the 6th will cause problems to the mother.
In the chart of Gangsters and murderers there is a relationship between
the first house and the sixth or the 10 and 6. For example a person I
know made me do the chart of a Russian ex-KGB, now mafia strongarm. He
has his 1st lord, 10th lord, 2nd and 9th lord in the 6th. This shows
career and wealth made through this often violent house.
In the case of this guys chart the 7th lord is in the 6th and the 6thn
lord is in the 7th. I did the chart of another person who continually
fights with and verbally abuses the girls that he sees. He has the same
combination.
Hope this helps,
Elay
I responded to your earlier maessage, but did it from the computer at work
(that is what the wolfcamera thing is about). I am a little new to newsgroups.
Sorry if it caused confusion.
Anyway, I wanted you to know that I really do appreciate your advice and kind
words. You seem to know your stuff. I would like to clarify that the physical
stuff only happened twice; and the second time, I called the police. I didn't
press charges, but the state did.
You have described him absolutely to a tee! right down to his interest in
science.
I had never been in an abusive relationship before this, nor had I even been
around one, so it has taught me a lot. I am a little more understanding now of
those women who think they are going to help change the abusive behavior. I
think if I had been stronger, maybe I could have helped, but I couldn't handle
it.
Also, he was very controlling and I am a little too headstrong to put up with
that for too long. :)
Thank you!!
Lori Ann
Heather
an entire stellium in there and their lives have had nothing
to do with violence whatsoever. If anything I have seen
the 8th involved many times....for instance someone getting beaten
with an umbrella and her eye poked out had 8th
house planets(including mars) being opposed by Pluto.
Heather
and...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8631sq$3h1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Heather
never heard of such a thing either .Violent abuse can be found
many ways and the 6th isn't one of them.
Heather
Keera A. Fox wrote in message <1e4mbi7.156y1ft1ch2bdmN%ka...@online.no>...
><and...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> You are 100% correct. He is abusive to his partners. For starters you
>> will notice that your ascendant is placed in the 6th house to his. The
>> 6th is the house of violence and abuse, so this is no good.
>
Shirley
<862dqd$7lk$1...@news.orbitworld.net>...
> Shirley if you want to date a Scorpio moon square mars...
> knock yourself out. A Scorpio moon is difficult to begin
> with but add a square to mars and I wouldn't walk... I would
> run.
Heather, the potential is certainly there for violence but don't tell me
that every male on this planet with this configuration is an abuser.
> Give me a break....please don't encourage this young lady
> to hope he will change...you might just be signing her death
> certificate.
I was not encouraging anything. If you read my last post I simply stated
that we as astrologers can offer possible advice/solutions, etc., but the
bottom line is that the client has to make the choice themselves what they
want to do. If the client asks what should she do, then we can offer what
we would do, but to tell someone specificially they must do this or that is
not the proper role of an astrologer.
> Unless you are familiar with the dynamics
> of abuse you should not counsel on the odds of change...
> the odds show a violent person will NOT change.
You mean that they will never, never change?
Shirley
Shirley
> When they will contract cancer, is it better for them to know
> beforehand?
I think that this will depend entirely on the person whose chart you are
reading. Some would want to know, others wouldn't.
If they do not want to know then I think that has to be honored.
> You are completely correct Shirley. I have done a wrong thing by
> writing my last post without giving any hope to the person. For this I
> apologize profusely. I hope I have explained myself enough and have
> given hope.
Yes, I realize that what you were attempting to get across to her was your
good intentions for her well-being.
No problem.
Shirley
DLS
>Hi Lynn,
>This is interesting. I don't know if this would mean anything but after
I
>looked at my chart I noticed the 5th and 12th house start at almost the
>exact same point. I haven't noticed any bad stuff though.
>Susan
>www.sarantos.com
>
>My 5th house starts 8Vir52'45" and his 12th starts 8Vir53'00"
>and
>My Venus 27Pis45'54" is in his 6th.
>His Moon 27Sco32'48" and Neptune 8Sco46'42" are in my 6th.
>
>Lynn wrote:
>>It is a good thing to be wary of relationships where your ascendant or
>lights are in the other person's 12h / 6h axis. A 12h placement makes
>it easy for them to project shadow material on you. The 6h connection
>makes it easy for them to see you as a convenience.
Susan,
House cusps lining up probably won't hurt anything. The other things
have a symmetry; the kitten in you is willing to serve him, and his
womanly side feels the same way toward you. Charming don't you think?
:^) L.
and...@my-deja.com
usene...@thank.you wrote:
> <and...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > You are 100% correct. He is abusive to his partners. For starters
you
> > will notice that your ascendant is placed in the 6th house to his.
The
> > 6th is the house of violence and abuse, so this is no good.
>
> I've never heard of a *house* connected to violence and abuse, so I
was
> wondering if you could elaborate on this function/feature of the 6th?
>
The oldest astrology books give the 6th house to be in charge of
violence. But you're right the new books don't make this a property of
the 6th.
I also take the sidereal postion of the planets.
I have been taught that the 6th is a house of problems in general,
accidents, illness. It also has to do with physical health.
For example if a powerful Mars is well placed here the person would be
an athlete, if that planet has predominance at an early age.
On the other hand it could also make the person a surgeon if Mars owns
the 11th or 10th house.
Another example is that if the lord of a house representing a person is
in this house, when that planet's power comes into play, there will be
an injury or illness to the person involved. For example the Lord of
the 4th in the 6th will cause problems to the mother.
In the chart of Gangsters and murderers there is a relationship between
the first house and the sixth or the 10 and 6. For example a person I
know made me do the chart of a Russian ex-KGB, now mafia strongarm. He
has his 1st lord, 10th lord, 2nd and 9th lord in the 6th. This shows
career and wealth made through this often violent house.
In the case of this guys chart the 7th lord is in the 6th and the 6thn
lord is in the 7th. I did the chart of another person who continually
fights with and verbally abuses the girls that he sees. He has the same
combination.
Hope this helps,
Andrei
> --
> *** Keera in Norway ***
> Think Big. Shrink to fit.
> http://home.sol.no/~keera
>
>
and...@my-deja.com
> Andrei I have seen many charts with 6th house planets...some with
> an entire stellium in there and their lives have had nothing
> to do with violence whatsoever. If anything I have seen
> the 8th involved many times....for instance someone getting beaten
> with an umbrella and her eye poked out had 8th
> house planets(including mars) being opposed by Pluto.
I am sorry for not clarifying before. There is a big difference in how
I interpret my chart. I take the planets according to their sidereal
position. So the rules must be a little different.
Also I use ancient texts as my guide, so my methods are not modern.
However if you take out this guys horoscope sidereally you will see
that the 7th lord Mercury is in the 6th and the 6th lord sun is in the
7th.
My text says:
"If the 7th lord is in the 6th, the native's wife will be sickly or the
native will be inimical towards her, he himself is given to anger"
"If the 6th lord is in the 7th the native will be devoid of happiness
through wedlock"
You can see that this directly applies to his chart.
According to the rules applicable to sidereal astrology violence is
shown in several houses, the 6th, 8th and 12th. Also the 2nd and 7th
cause death or near death experience. The 3rd as well as the 11th also
indicates violence depending on the planets involved. The 6th is the
main house in charge of accidents, impact, fighting, etc. in sidereal
astrology.
However not every planet in these places means violence. There are a
lot of other meanings attached to these houses in sidereal astrology.
For example Bruce Lee had all his planets lined up along the 6/12 axis,
and he was very violent. He was the master of violence. The combination
of Mars and Mercury is the boxing combination. This occurs in the 12th
house and directly influences the 6th.
George Foreman has Mars and Mercury in the 6th. Sugar Ray Robinson has
4 planets in the 6th. One of them is Mercury in Mar's sign Aries, and
another is the moon's south node which acts like Mars.
But this is according to the sidereal method of chart interpretation
which is very different from the tropical.
Sorry for the lenght, but I just thought you might be interested in why
I said the 6th was violent.
Thanks for the patience,
Andrei
Heather
of their aggression but actually stop and never do it again?
sure......... for a month. <wink> our aspects to our moon
are very telling indeed...and while yes I agree a moon-mars
square doesn't have to be an "abuser" their behavior certainly
won't be easy to deal with. I view our moon aspects as a virtual
thumbprint in our personality and well..... LOL you know our
thumbprints don't change...at least according to the FBI <wink>
Heather
PS I agree with you about not telling someone exactly what decisions
to make but I certainly have made "suggestions" to people :-)
Shirley wrote in message <01bf623a$34b3ff60$5634c0d8@default>...
Heather
I see what you mean about approaching things from different
standards of interpretation. Besides... I always say..use
what works best for you and the welfare of your client :-)
Heather
and...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8643s3$r5g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
and...@my-deja.com
> > When they will contract cancer, is it better for them to know
> > beforehand?
>
> I think that this will depend entirely on the person whose chart you
are
> reading. Some would want to know, others wouldn't.
> If they do not want to know then I think that has to be honored.
>
This is true. My teacher gives me a hard time about this. Too often I
tell people things when they do not ask. When it is a positive thing,
its great! But when you tell someone something negative, they think
you're out to get them or that you're their enemy.
However I also worry for the person when I see something in there
chart, for example cancer. I figure its better for the person to know
beforehand, so that they can take preventative measures before the
disease bcomes fatal.
The problem is that everyone's chart without fail has some sort of
misery in it. I have to become more detached and look at the chart as
pure information, not as a human. But sometimes this is hard.
But I am getting better!
and...@my-deja.com
> btw...I wondered what indicated abortion to you? He told me once
that he
> had never gotten a girl pregnant, but he lied about lots of things, I
think.
>
First of all I do sidereal astrology, so the rules are quite different,
but if you want to take a look at why I said this, take out your ex's
chart sidereally with equal house divisions. With equal house divisions
one house equals one sign. For example if Mars is at 1 degree in
capricorn and Rahu is at 30 degree capricorn they are both placed in
the same house. In his chart they are both in the 11th. Also a planet
fully aspects a house or planet no matter where they are in a sign.
Pregnancy is ruled by the 5th house. He has the south node in the 5th
house. This node acts like Mars. Since Mars is in the 11th house it has
a full aspect on the house across from it, the 5th.
Both of these planets cause surgery. They also cause accidents,
violence and other sudden happenings. Affecting the 5th they cause loss
of preganancy most of the time due to abortion, but the loss could also
be from violence or accident.
He also has Saturn fully aspecting the 5th from the 3rd, and the North
node (which acts like Saturn) fully aspecting it from the 5th. Saturn
causes loss of pregnancy through miscarriage and disease.
Also he has the 5th lord moon in the 8th house of death. This shows the
baby's death.
The only releiving feature is Jupiter's position in the 9th, fully
aspecting the 5th. But Jupiter which is the ruler, along with the 5th
of children is also fully afflicted by Saturn and the south node.
Therefore it is also part of the problem.
Therefore normally it will not be possible for him to have children. If
he does, then they will meet misfortune. If they are not very evil and
criminal minded, then they will die at an early age.
However, Jupiter does give some hope, as well as Mars (but only because
it owns the 9th) So if he were to perform certain spiritual practices
to counteract these negative forces, it would be possible for him to
have one child.
I said he had an abortion because during the period I mentioned, Mars
was exerting his force on this guy's chart.
Another thing to note is that the house of intelligence, how a person
thinks is ruled by the 5th. He has maximum affliction to this, making
him evil minded. However he does have excellent intuition. The Jupiter
again is a mild saving feature.
I would not recommend getting back together with him however, because
the numbr of malefic planets affecting his mind will cause mental
imbalance and schitzophrenia at some point. Is there a family history
of this?
Hope I explained things well,
Elay
I tried to post a message yesterday, but I don't think it made it.
I just wanted to let you know that you were right on.
>I would not recommend getting back
> together with him however, because
>the numbr of malefic planets affecting his >mind will cause mental
>imbalance and schitzophrenia at some >point. Is there a family history
>of this?
There is, indeed, family history of schitzophrenia there (also manic
depression). That was one reason I stayed even though we fought often (I
wanted to help him).
Your accuracy is amazing. I want to thank you so much for your input. You
have really have helped me to deal with this more objectively (which is exactly
what I needed).
God bless..
LA (Wolfie)
bliss...@webtv.net
house placements in a guy's chart that I was involved with a few months
ago.
His Sun, Mercury R, Jupiter, and Neptune are in the 6th. His Mars R, in
the 12th opposite his Mercury R.
My Moon, Venus, Saturn and Neptune fell in his 6th. His Neptune and
Saturn in my 6th.
His Saturn is conjunct my Mars, opposite my Ascendant, square my Sun.
His Pluto conjunct my Sun, square my Asc and Dec.
Do you see violent tendencies and/or abusive behavior in his chart,
also?
Guy # 1 Birth data:
9/14/56
8:35 pm
40 N 38, 73 W 56
However, another guy I'm just getting to know has his Leo Moon in the
3rd, square his Taurus Mars in the 11th. Four of his planets fall in my
12th.
Guy # 2 Birth data
5/16/64
7:21 am
38 N 06
122 W 15
My birth data:
8/23/52
11:29 pm
40 N 45
73 W 57
Thank you for your time,
Namaste
Elay
charts on my program if I have the place instead of longitude and latitude. I
can give it a shot, but if you could post your cities, it would be easier. :-)
bliss...@webtv.net
Brooklyn, NY, Zone 4, (due to different counties, you have to use
40N38, 73W56)
My birth city:
Manhattan, NY, Zone 4
Guy #2
Vallejo, CA, Zone 7
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lholl...@aol.com (LHollo7587) wrote:
> I recently lived with a guy (during a Pluto transit to my Ascendant).
He's a
> Libra with Sun conjunct Pluto. He also has Moon in Scorpio square
Mars in
> Aquarius. My Sun conjuncts his Mars (ans squares his Moon, of
course). His
> Ascendant conjuncts my Mars in Aries. Anyway, he was physically
abusive
> (childhood trauma). I wondered if anyone could offer a little
insight.
> his info:
> 9/23/71 7:29pm Terre Haute, IN
> mine:
> 2/5/72 8:04pm Chattanooga, TN
> I appreciate any opinons.
>
> This man does have issues concerning women and relationships with
women.His Scopio moon squares his mars has to do with some problems or
conflicts with his mother which is being transferred to other women. But
do not lay all the blame on him. You are enabling him in this matter by
being the receiver of the abuse.The abuse will only esculate in the
future.If you do not want to be the "target" of his abuse, remove
yourself from the scene. What other choice do you have? It's going to
take him a long, long time to work out all that anger!!!!
mic...@my-deja.com
Enjoying your posts while I have a few questions.
Lori Ann supplied his info: 9/23/71 7:29pm Terre Haute, IN
Is the time zone Est?
Andrei later wrote:
> Yes but his chart shows fighting and argument with the wife in
> general for the 17 years after 2001. Is she willing to wait 17
> years?
What method of period rulers, the indicator(s) if you will, are you
using to get the 17 years? How do you determine the 17 years begin
after year 2,001?
If you are giving each planet a certain number of years it rules,
would you mind posting a list?
Andrei wrote:
> Between 4/91 and 10/93 you met a guy, I don't know if it was this
> one, who you were seriously involved with. Either at work or he
> was a working man. There were problems with this guy as well,
> could also have been physical.
What methods do you use above to get the dates and meeting a guy? Is
that by transits, directions, a combination of both or some other
method? Also, if you use transits a lot, does your system of
astrology use a particular method to determine the more active
transits vs the lesser one's?
Andrei wrote:
> The 6th is the house of violence and abuse, so this is no good.
Keera replied:
>> I've never heard of a *house* connected to violence and abuse, so
>> I was wondering if you could elaborate on this function/feature
>> of the 6th?
Andrei replied:
> Hi Keera,
> The oldest astrology books give the 6th house to be in charge of
> violence. But you're right the new books don't make this a
> property of the 6th.
Andrei, what books are you using?
I reply to Keera.
How are you stocked for Rulership books? If these are missing in
your collection, try Lee Lehman's Rulership book or Rex Bills
Rulership book. Lee's book gives the source astrologer or the
earliest on record for a rulership whereas Bills does not. Lee's
only includes the old Seven whereas Bills includes the Outers. You
might want both books to cross reference.
Coming up on a thousand years ago al-Biruni gave violence to the 6th
in matters of Horary's. See page 276 of his book where he compiled
what went before him. His book dates around 1029 AD. In Lee's book
on page 225 she acknowledges this minus the Horary notation. On page
275 in al-Biruni's book, he lists tumults for the 12th.. Abraham Ibn
Ezra, 12th Century, The Beginning of Wisdom, Chapter 3, page 193,
lists beatings in the 12th house. Other astrologer's before these
list dangers and such hinting to violence spread across the 6 / 12
houses in nativities.
You are also familiar then how we connect or mix opposite house
meanings? This dates back around 2,000 years ago so it is not new in
our Tropical heritage.
Another person wrote:
> I have always felt the sixth as service to others and work.
As to work or service, the key word missing in our interpretation or
understanding house is, Labour. That's not especially about
analyzing our Profession if that is what is meant by work. It is not
about particular services we perform for others either.
Modern astrologer's set out to remove words from our astro
vocabulary like servants and slaves associated with house. They
succeeded so well we lost sight it is Our servants and others
providing the service. While this house Is about our labour/toil, it
is not describing our profession. It is not describing us as
servants, maids, plumbers, carpenter's providing a particular
service. This is where our confusion in house comes from.
We misinterpreted Labour to mean our work/profession. Labour/work in
this case actually translates to our Overwork leading to our
illnesses and accidents that this house is about. See al-Biruni page
275.
Modern astrologers rarely make connection our labour/toil leads to
our Illnesses in this house. Astrologer's usually accept 6th for
illness but don't recognize where the illness comes from in this
house. Researching our astro heritage we find it is from our
overwork. This has nothing to do with the formulae, What One Does,
Profession or Work as sought in many posts on list. Later authors
also left out or did not stress enough yet another important piece
of the formulae described below.
About work as in profession and the 6th we have somewhat
misunderstood that to. Inadequate translations have not helped.
Others good intentions leave us guessing how to apply. For an
example, see an otherwise wonderful little book from CEO Carter, The
Principles of Astrology around page 134, Vocation and Finance. He
leaves out few key points I mention below.
Vague descriptions as such leave us to guess the ruler of sign or
cusp if using quad houses apply.
It was not the house by itself, the sign, nor it's ruler that showed
work/profession as we believe today. The ruler of 6th lacks mention
in formulae for work/profession unless it is a recent modern
formulae. Then ask if the author is aware of what I write in this
post. It Is found in formulae for illness.
Otherwise the indicator(s) only came from planet In house In aspect
to the MC. With no planets in house it's a dumb note for
work/profession. One Old Sage wrote that such planets should be
within three degrees orb of the MC degree to have such power. The
idea is to show how a cadent planet gains power affecting what one
does. That's probably strange to many today who make very little
distinction between angular succeedent and cadent anymore. In
another sense it's the Old Sages showing they knew about Guaquelin
sectors long before we did(g).
Of course, we may have a problem with some of this because we have
learned it somewhat different from the beginning.
The 6th sign or cusp ruler belonged to the illness servant formulae,
not profession. The astrologer's past researching this were much
better making that clear in their texts. Yet, Work or What One Does
is among the most complicated formulae's to understand.
Do we understand why we use quad houses over whole signs?
Say in your favorite quad house system a planet in the Sixth Sign
falls in the quad 5th. In whole signs we read as 6th house. It is in
the sixth whole sign house from Ascendant making the Trine to the
MC. That planet then qualifies as indicator to what one does if
within 3 degree aspect of the MC. That is, according to Paulus
Alexandrinus.
We may overlook planet because we only see it as 5th house. We
probably overlook it because we remember the rule did not mention
the 5th house. Suddenly, we begin giving 5th house meanings to a 6th
house planet. Or, sometimes the reverse giving 6th house meanings to
5th whole sign house planets. Or we give angular whole sign 7th
planets a 6th house meaning. This can really upset our astrological
thinking can't it, not to mention research. Of course, if we reject
whole signs from the beginning it makes no difference does it(g).
Add the fact we don't want to give much credit to the Trine either.
That to sometimes helps us overlook this planet in the quad 5th
actually in the whole sign 6th influencing what we do.
With a planet in the sixth sign in the quad 5th, we might try
reading it as 6th house. Yet to do that thoroughly we must use the
old rules. Not in a hundred years is our quad 5th planet 6th house,
right(g).
This is how we sometimes use wrong indicators or overlook a key
planet using quad houses. We may miss indicators because we are not
aware most rules even the vague one's we use today, emerged from
whole sign house terminology. Were Carter, Leo, Hone, Sepharial and
others aware of that?
Of course, we may have a problem with some of this because we have
learned it somewhat different from the beginning.
This also leads us to believe another's astrology is different from
ours or our heritage. Take Andrei's astro, it is a bit different
from our Tropical. Yet it's not as different as we might think when
seeking indicators. Where we see a big difference is, we are not
aware of our own rules. Psychological astro books rarely teach us
how to find indicators as thoroughly as Andrei's astro or even our
older astro.
An example is. He gives violence or abusive acts to the sixth.
Another said the following.
>Violent abuse can be found many ways and the 6th isn't one of them.
That's about as definite as saying cusps rulers for the 6th don't
count in What One Does(g).
Andrei claims he uses Sidereal astro to explain his astro. We can
find similar rules from Tropical astrologer's if we look.
> He is abusive to his partners. For starters you will notice that
> your ascendant is placed in the 6th house to his. The 6th is the
> house of violence and abuse, so this is no good.
William Lilly a Tropical astrologer of some worth summarizes much
same Andrei did for Ascendant's across the 6 / 12. See the CA, Book
3, Page 639 of Wiggars copy of Lilly. On page 641 he mentions one's
potential death by enemies with an indicator in the 6th.. Ezra in
his book, Beginning of Wisdom page 193 said the following. That the
third triplicity ruler from sign on 6th gives hints to harm from
servants. These examples come from Tropical astrologer's.
Of course these and all aphorisms only show potential for something
to happen. We then must determine strength of indicator and
potential times they become active. Aware of these aphorisms then we
must remember the chart is still moving long after we read it. Have
we looked that far into future when saying 6th is not a place of
violence? Thus, with any chart still alive with a loaded 6th,
respecting these rules, we cannot rule out say violence later in the
life.
We have lost sight of these messages over a few thousand years. Even
major sources to Horary like Dorotheus used whole sign houses. And
we ask how do we do astro without house cusp rulers? Simple, not
really(g), we use the triplicity rulers positions from the sign.
That applies to both Natal and Horary in the school of Dorotheus and
later Ezra. Dorotheus is a major source to Horary Electional.
Elay
>conflicts with his mother which is being transferred to other women
His realtionship with his mother is not so great....and I have found that I am
not the only woman he has abused.
>do not lay all the blame on him. You are enabling him in this matter by
>being the receiver of the abuse.
The last time it happened (which was the 2nd time), I involved the police,
which I at first regretted; but now I am grateful that I did. It helped me to
stay away from him. I am not trying to lay all the blame on him (nor have I
ever tried to lay all the blame on him). I still pray for him everyday (even
when I feel angry with him).
I was just trying to get a little help in getting over it.
Thank you so much for your response,
Elay
Michael Jordan
has to do with sentence number Six, unless there is a typo in
the post and the last word in that sentence should read "ABUSED"
instead of abusive. That would make the sentence clear and we
could proceed to answer the post intelligently.
--
Michael K. Jordan
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LHollo7587 <lholl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I recently lived with a guy (during a Pluto transit to my Ascendant).
He's a
> Libra with Sun conjunct Pluto. He also has Moon in Scorpio square Mars in
> Aquarius. My Sun conjuncts his Mars (ans squares his Moon, of course).
His
> Ascendant conjuncts my Mars in Aries. Anyway, he was physically abusive
> (childhood trauma). I wondered if anyone could offer a little insight.
> his info:
> 9/23/71 7:29pm Terre Haute, IN
Heather
but I will hold my ground that just because the 6th is involved either
by transit or natally does NOT indicate violence to the owner of that chart.
Nothing is 100% in astrology or life for that matter. as to implying
that the ruler of the 6th is "THE" indicator of what one "does" is
playing with fire... all Libra risings unless there is an interception
that were born in my decade will have Neptune ruling their 6th
placed in the sign of Scorpio. Now if you think all these people
including myself work in Neptunian jobs... I've got some swampland
to sell you in New York City,,real cheap. Some people including
myself and statistics show...do not stay in the same profession
their whole lives. However looking back my longest running profession
clearly is shown by my 10th...moon ruler of the 10th in Taurus sitting
in the 8th trine Saturn in Cappy and mercury and squaring Uranus...
what did I do for 8 years? other peoples money .... the electronic
processing of credit card transactions... for business owners. also
debit cards and check processing as well.... the 8th is credit and debt,
among
other things.when I began the business
my 8th of course was being activated by major transit.... Neptune
had nothing to do with it. I also had a real estate license and was in
real estate at a very young age again.... not exactly Neptunian.
it's all said in my 10th house connections.
where I sit now I am more than likely entering another Taurean endeavor..
as a profession... Taurus is not just about money... so I'll probably
be doing the other side of the coin of Taurus very soon :-)
Now if scads of other fellow astrologers can look at my chart and know
immediately by looking at my 10th and it's connections that at one point
what I did for a living...I think clients would be better served with
accuracy
not fantasy. But to be frank....My concern is not to prove anyonewrong...
it's for the client to get an accurate commentary on their chart. and
while my main profession is not an astrologer...my clients over the years
have gotten extremely accurate takes on their charts so I won't apologize
for doing a good job for them. If you are accurate your way...do it...
clients and their charts count....period. There is more than one way
to skin a cat as the saying goes... (why that saying exists is beyond
me...LOL)
Heather
P.S. what does Neptune have to do with being an airline stewardess
or a builder of furniture? nothing.... both of these people have Neptune
ruling their 6th. Now health...is a different story.... <s>
mic...@my-deja.com wrote in message <86gktp$mvn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Elay
living; but rather what you do on a daily basis (routine things like...brushing
your teeth, checking the mail, etc). I was also taught that it is a house of
duty and obligation.
If that is the case, I can see the argument for the abusive aspect of the 6th
house, because with duty and obligation, there can also come a sense of
resentment, which in some cases can lead to abusive behavior (maybe?).
I do agree that it might not be absolute, but I think it is definately
something study in future charts.
Lori Ann
Pete Phoenix
Hi Heather :-)
Heather wrote in message ...
> I am well aware of the 6th house tropical indications and I'm
sorry
> but I will hold my ground that just because the 6th is involved
either
> by transit or natally does NOT indicate violence to the owner
of that chart.
> Nothing is 100% in astrology or life for that matter. as to
implying
> that the ruler of the 6th is "THE" indicator of what one "does"
is
> playing with fire... all Libra risings unless there is an
interception
> that were born in my decade will have Neptune ruling their 6th
> placed in the sign of Scorpio.
Aye, but traditionally Jupiter rules Pisces. In my view Neptune
doesn't and never has.
>Now if you think all these people
> including myself work in Neptunian jobs... I've got some
swampland
> to sell you in New York City,,real cheap.
I'll have 2 acres, please...<wink>
> Some people including
> myself and statistics show...do not stay in the same profession
> their whole lives. However looking back my longest running
profession
> clearly is shown by my 10th...moon ruler of the 10th in Taurus
sitting
> in the 8th trine Saturn in Cappy and mercury and squaring
Uranus...
er, no. I think you'll find that the Moon is trine Uranus in the
5th harmonic.
[ remember? :-) ] The arc of 96 degrees shows this. The orb is
far too wide for the square, hun'. Three degrees, max.
> what did I do for 8 years? other peoples money .... the
electronic
> processing of credit card transactions... for business owners.
also
> debit cards and check processing as well.... the 8th is credit
and debt,
> among
> other things.when I began the business
> my 8th of course was being activated by major transit....
Neptune
> had nothing to do with it. I also had a real estate license
and was in
> real estate at a very young age again....
Moon trine Saturn. In and ruling the 4th, right?
>not exactly Neptunian.
Not exactly, no, unless you sold haunted houses. Hehehe....:-)
> it's all said in my 10th house connections.
Yep.
> where I sit now I am more than likely entering another Taurean
endeavor..
> as a profession... Taurus is not just about money... so I'll
probably
> be doing the other side of the coin of Taurus very soon :-)
Don't tell me....milkmaid right?
>
> Now if scads of other fellow astrologers can look at my chart
and know
> immediately by looking at my 10th and it's connections that at
one point
> what I did for a living...I think clients would be better
served with
> accuracy
> not fantasy. But to be frank....My concern is not to prove
anyonewrong...
> it's for the client to get an accurate commentary on their
chart. and
> while my main profession is not an astrologer...my clients over
the years
> have gotten extremely accurate takes on their charts so I won't
apologize
> for doing a good job for them. If you are accurate your
way...do it...
> clients and their charts count....period. There is more than
one way
> to skin a cat as the saying goes... (why that saying exists is
beyond
> me...LOL)
Cos cat-skinners use it all the time, that's why...
>
> Heather
> P.S. what does Neptune have to do with being an airline
stewardess
> or a builder of furniture? nothing.... both of these people
have Neptune
> ruling their 6th. Now health...is a different story.... <s>
Like I said, Neptune doesn't rule Pisces. And the 6th has nothing
to do with profession, either.
Ta-ta sweetie...
<hugs>
Pete Phoenix.
" I don't want to achieve immortality through my work - (10th
house)
I want to achieve it through not dying." (8th house)
- Woody Allen- (Who???)
Keera A. Fox
<snip for space>
I don't think you and Andrei or mich64 are in disagreement. I understand
what mich64 is saying about "service" vs. "profession". The 6th is the
house of *routine* and *habit* and signifies whereever those are
expressed, including in one's own body (hence the health tie-in) and in
one's home and work place. Like you, Heather, I can point to my MC and
its ruler as being the clearest indicator of what my *career* is. But as
for my *health*, I can guarantee that if I am upset at work, especially
with co-workers, I will get sick. I have my Moon in Gemini in my 6th.
In this respect, I can understand how one can make the leap, so to
speak, and tie violence or abuse into the 6th: If what happens to us can
be shown to relate to what our habits are, then the 6th should also show
us the consequences of those habits. Taking further leaps: Disease could
be seen as a form of violence against one's own body. Certainly it can
cause pain, as does being attacked. :-)
It certainly is refreshing to have a good astrological thread to sink
one's teeth into - and I don't mind the teeth, as long as nobody bites
down. :-)
Pete Phoenix
news:863ufi$nkg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
....[snip]
But you're talking from the sidereal point of view, right? Do we
just set up the sidereal chart to find these indicators then, or
is there more to it than that?
Pete Phoenix.
" I don't want to achieve immortality through my work -
I want to achieve it through not dying."
- Woody Allen-
> > --
> > *** Keera in Norway ***
> > Think Big. Shrink to fit.
> > http://home.sol.no/~keera
> >
> >
>
>
Heather
The ruler of my 6th is ol Neppie <g> so you think Joop rules Pisces?
nawwwwwwwww If you knew my health history it has all been infection...
food poisoning, viral crap, yadda yadda yadda...Neptune
semi-squares my mercury in Virgo in 12th which in turn relates to the
gastrointestinal
tract in our bodies. I've gotten sick off of more public made food than
anyone
I know so at 38 I don't eat at fast food places anymore or smoked
salmon or sushi...(seafood is also Neptune) now what the heck does Joop have
to do with this
picture? nothing my Scorp rising sweetie <smirk>
also what chart are you reading? my moon is 21 Taurus and my Uranus is
26Leo54
ummmm babe...that's a square. :-) I'm talking natal chart not 5th harmonic.
and yes,in addition moon in 8 trine Saturn in 4(Saturn rules 4th) and also
trines
mercury in 12th.(merc rules 12th)
aaaaaaaaaaand just to show you I'm not a closed minded twit :-D...make your
case
to me about Joop then.... and if in your heart you believe Joop rules Pisces
than what does Neptune rule?
and why is it that Pisceans are so idealistic and selfless(Neptune)
what rules Sag then? or are you giving Sag another planet? <smirk>
Love ya!
Heather
Pete Phoenix wrote in message ...
>
>Hi Heather :-)
>
>Heather wrote in message ...
>> I am well aware of the 6th house tropical indications and I'm
>sorry
>> but I will hold my ground that just because the 6th is involved
>either
>> by transit or natally does NOT indicate violence to the owner
>of that chart.
>> Nothing is 100% in astrology or life for that matter. as to
>implying
>> that the ruler of the 6th is "THE" indicator of what one "does"
>is
>> playing with fire... all Libra risings unless there is an
>interception
>> that were born in my decade will have Neptune ruling their 6th
>> placed in the sign of Scorpio.
>
>Aye, but traditionally Jupiter rules Pisces. In my view Neptune
>doesn't and never has.
>
>>Now if you think all these people
>> including myself work in Neptunian jobs... I've got some
>swampland
>> to sell you in New York City,,real cheap.
>
>I'll have 2 acres, please...<wink>
>
>> Some people including
>> myself and statistics show...do not stay in the same profession
>> their whole lives. However looking back my longest running
>profession
>> clearly is shown by my 10th...moon ruler of the 10th in Taurus
>sitting
>> in the 8th trine Saturn in Cappy and mercury and squaring
>Uranus...
>
>er, no. I think you'll find that the Moon is trine Uranus in the
>5th harmonic.
>[ remember? :-) ] The arc of 96 degrees shows this. The orb is
>far too wide for the square, hun'. Three degrees, max.
>
>> what did I do for 8 years? other peoples money .... the
>electronic
>> processing of credit card transactions... for business owners.
>also
>> debit cards and check processing as well.... the 8th is credit
>and debt,
>> among
>> other things.when I began the business
>> my 8th of course was being activated by major transit....
>Neptune
>> had nothing to do with it. I also had a real estate license
>and was in
>> real estate at a very young age again....
>
>Moon trine Saturn. In and ruling the 4th, right?
>
>>not exactly Neptunian.
>
>Not exactly, no, unless you sold haunted houses. Hehehe....:-)
>
>> it's all said in my 10th house connections.
>
>Yep.
>
>> where I sit now I am more than likely entering another Taurean
>endeavor..
>> as a profession... Taurus is not just about money... so I'll
>probably
>> be doing the other side of the coin of Taurus very soon :-)
>
>Don't tell me....milkmaid right?
>
>>
>> Now if scads of other fellow astrologers can look at my chart
>and know
>> immediately by looking at my 10th and it's connections that at
>one point
>> what I did for a living...I think clients would be better
>served with
>> accuracy
>> not fantasy. But to be frank....My concern is not to prove
>anyonewrong...
>> it's for the client to get an accurate commentary on their
>chart. and
>> while my main profession is not an astrologer...my clients over
>the years
>> have gotten extremely accurate takes on their charts so I won't
>apologize
>> for doing a good job for them. If you are accurate your
>way...do it...
>> clients and their charts count....period. There is more than
>one way
>> to skin a cat as the saying goes... (why that saying exists is
>beyond
>> me...LOL)
>
> Cos cat-skinners use it all the time, that's why...
>>
>> Heather
>> P.S. what does Neptune have to do with being an airline
>stewardess
>> or a builder of furniture? nothing.... both of these people
>have Neptune
>> ruling their 6th. Now health...is a different story.... <s>
>
>Like I said, Neptune doesn't rule Pisces. And the 6th has nothing
>to do with profession, either.
>Ta-ta sweetie...
>
><hugs>
>Pete Phoenix.
Pete Phoenix
Ooookayyyyy......let's do this :-)
>Heather wrote in message ...
> aye mate so we're gonna butt heads? LOL!!!!!
That a mating call in Arizona?? HA!
> The ruler of my 6th is ol Neppie <g> so you think Joop rules
Pisces?
Joop has ruled Pisces since way before the time of Ptolemy. (See
Michael R. and Carole's conversation on 'Tropical Mars'). Then
along comes ye olde 19th century and the discovery of Neptune.
The Revivalist astrologers look around at what's going on at the
time: The discovery of x-rays, the first use of anaesthesia, the
beginnings of modern chemistry, the rise of Spiritualism and the
revival of all things psychic and occult, the New Wave of
Romanticism in literature and art, such as the works of the
Pre-Raphaelites; the discovery of the unconscious mind that led
to the birth of psychoanalysis...yadda-yadda-yadda. Someone then
"decides" that all this looks very Piscean and so gives Neptune
joint rulership of Pisces with Jupiter. After all, they'd done
the same thing with Uranus 80-odd years before, so why not, eh?
Erm..excuse me? All of the above "happenings" may very well be
ruled by Neptune but they have nothing to do with Pisces. Signs
of the zodiac have rulership over all things identical to their
nature. Pisces traditionally is considered "cold, moist,
northern, phlegmatic, feminine bi-corporeal and nocturnal."
So how they associated all of the above with Pisces ( or any sign
for that matter) to the point where they gave rulership of this
new-found planet to it is beyond me.
I've never seen a pair of freezing, drenched, female Swedish
psychoanalists, in the dark, in my entire life. Have you? :-))))
All your diseases have been due to infections and viral crap?
Here's what Lilly has to say about the diseases associated with
Pisces: (C.A page 99)
"...breakings out, boyles and ulcers proceeding from blood
putrefacted, colds and moist diseases."
What do we call putrefacted blood these days, hmm? Viral
infection?
Of Jupiter diseases he has this to say: (C.A page 63)
"...all diseases lying in the vaynes or ribs, and proceeding from
a corruption of blood...all putrefaction in the blood, or fevers
proceeding from too great abundance thereof."
Now what usually causes a fever? Infection, right?
And given that your Jupiter is in it's fall and conjunct a strong
Saturn, and in opposition to your ruler, Venus?? Not exactly a
"friendly" Jupiter is it?
> nawwwwwwwww If you knew my health history it has all been
infection...
> food poisoning, viral crap, yadda yadda yadda...Neptune
> semi-squares my mercury in Virgo in 12th which in turn relates
to the
> gastrointestinal
> tract in our bodies.
Did you know that ancient Egyptian medical astrologers reversed
all the sign meanings?
(Or rather, modern astrology has reversed the ancient meanings.
Thanks, Ptolemy!)
For instance, Libra was considered to be the "first" sign. It's
glyph represented the rising sun.
(Look at it) It's symbol was the ideogram *Achet*, which means
'the place where the Sun rises.'
It ruled over the head, and all diseases thereof. The organs of
balance are in the ear, *not* the kidneys.
In contrast, Aries ruled the sunset, the 7th house cusp.Arabian
astrologers stated, and medieaval writers agreed, that this house
was associated with war, battle, strife, emnity, duels etc; the
symbol for Aries is the Egyptian heiroglyphic for the uterus of a
heifer and was a general determinate for the womb in general.
Doesn't the symbol look like the ovaries atop the fallopian
tubes?. Hmm?
The symbol for Pisces was associated medically with the "soggy,
internal viscera of the abdomen, with it's worm, or eel-like
appearance"(The Solunars Handbook. Cyril Fagan. p.22). So
*there's * your gastro-intestinal problems: Pisces! :-))
The ideogram for Virgo was a row of plants being cut down by a
scythe, but I do agree with one writer who said it looks like a
row of toes on the end of a foot! And Mercury *is* the God of
locomotion, right?
> I've gotten sick off of more public made food than
> anyone
> I know so at 38 I don't eat at fast food places anymore or
smoked
> salmon or sushi...(seafood is also Neptune) now what the heck
does Joop have
> to do with this
> picture? nothing my Scorp rising sweetie <smirk>
That's right. It's all Pisces: cold, watery, bi-corporeal,
nocturnal. Fish, my Moon in Taurus honey-cheeks! Fish! hehehe....
> also what chart are you reading? my moon is 21 Taurus and my
Uranus is
> 26Leo54
> ummmm babe...that's a square. :-)
Ummm babe...your Moon's at 20 Taurus 25' and Uranus is 26 Leo
54'.
That's 96 degrees 29', and that's a trine in the 5th harmonic, or
a conjunction in the 15th harmonic ( 3x5). Square energy drops
off real sharp after a 3 degree orb. This is quintile country.
Trust me...:-))
> I'm talking natal chart not 5th harmonic.
HA! What do you think the 5th harmonic is part of then? The
'not-natal-but something-else-chart? :-)) It's all natal,
sweetie. Just like midpoints are natal, and progressions belong
to the natal.
>
> and yes,in addition moon in 8 trine Saturn in 4(Saturn rules
4th) and also
> trines
> mercury in 12th.(merc rules 12th)
>
> aaaaaaaaaaand just to show you I'm not a closed minded twit
:-D...make your
> case
> to me about Joop then.... and if in your heart you believe Joop
rules Pisces
> than what does Neptune rule?
Everything I mentioned in the 2nd paragraph, shug...
>
> and why is it that Pisceans are so idealistic and
selfless(Neptune)
Hmm? You mean like Doctor Mengele and Adolph Eickmann? (Jupiter)
Ya got *me*.
> what rules Sag then? or are you giving Sag another planet?
<smirk>
Jupiter rules Sag *and* Pisces. One is it's diurnal rulership
(Sag) and the other is it's nocturnal (Pisces). Traditionally,
all the planets -other than the Sun and Moon- had this
arrangement. Uranus, Neptune and Pluto don't rule signs. Never
have..never will.
So there! <double smirk>
> Love ya!
Well, I love ya right back!
Nice butting heads with you. Now for the customary cigarette :-))
>
> Heather
Pete Phoenix.
" I don't want to achieve immortality through my work -
I want to achieve it through not dying."
- Woody Allen-
and...@my-deja.com
>
> But you're talking from the sidereal point of view, right? Do we
> just set up the sidereal chart to find these indicators then, or
> is there more to it than that?
Unfortunately, there are different rules involved as well. The sidereal
houses are whole sign divisions. ie first house for a Taurus ascendant
would begin at 0 degrees and go to 30.
Also we don't use the planets past Saturn. So the house lords use the
traditional rulerships.
The aspects are different as well. There are also several different
indications for the houses and planets.
In some ways it is simpler than Tropical, but in other ways it is
harder.
But it's interesting to learn!
Ciao,
Andrei
and...@my-deja.com
Hello Mich,
> Enjoying your posts while I have a few questions.
>
> Lori Ann supplied his info: 9/23/71 7:29pm Terre Haute, IN
>
> Is the time zone Est?
It is CST. There is a great website that has the best atlas. It has ven
found me little towns in Russia! It calculates the timzone and you can
even have a chart done there using astrolog
http://www.astrodienst.com/atlas
>
> Andrei later wrote:
> > Yes but his chart shows fighting and argument with the wife in
> > general for the 17 years after 2001. Is she willing to wait 17
> > years?
>
> What method of period rulers, the indicator(s) if you will, are you
> using to get the 17 years? How do you determine the 17 years begin
> after year 2,001?
>
There is a system that calulates the periods in someone's life based on
the position of the natal moon.
His Mercury begins in 2001. It is presently the end of his Saturn
period.
> If you are giving each planet a certain number of years it rules,
> would you mind posting a list?
There are different timing schemes, but the most popular one gives
these numbers of years and this order:
Sun 6, Moon 10, Mars 7, North Node 18, Jupiter 16, Saturn 19, Mercury
17, South Node 7, and Venus 20
You do not always start at Sun however. Depending in which
constellation your moon is placed, you could start anywhere. For
example 5years and 3 months into Jupiter period.
These periods, such as Sun, are each divided again into proportionate
parts containing the 9 planets again. ie Sun major period, sun minor,
Sun Major, Moon minor, etc.
>
> Andrei wrote:
> > Between 4/91 and 10/93 you met a guy, I don't know if it was this
> > one, who you were seriously involved with. Either at work or he
> > was a working man. There were problems with this guy as well,
> > could also have been physical.
>
> What methods do you use above to get the dates and meeting a guy? Is
> that by transits, directions, a combination of both or some other
> method? Also, if you use transits a lot, does your system of
> astrology use a particular method to determine the more active
> transits vs the lesser one's?
I do not use transits in general. This requires more work and is not
required for accurate prediction in sidereal astrology. However if you
do use transits combined with the planetary rulership scheme you can
time a little more precisely.
In Sidereal astrology the planetary cycles deliver results by
themselves regardless of transits, while transits cannot give results
that are not promised by the planetary cycles.
The transits that give the most noticeable effects are Jupiter and
Saturn's.
The transits of the planets whose planetary cycles are running must
also be watched.
>
> Andrei wrote:
> > The 6th is the house of violence and abuse, so this is no good.
>
> Keera replied:
> >> I've never heard of a *house* connected to violence and abuse, so
> >> I was wondering if you could elaborate on this function/feature
> >> of the 6th?
>
> Andrei replied:
> > Hi Keera,
> > The oldest astrology books give the 6th house to be in charge of
> > violence. But you're right the new books don't make this a
> > property of the 6th.
>
> Andrei, what books are you using?
The best, one of the oldest and most comprehensive book on Sidereal
astrology is called in English 'The great scripture of astrology by
Parasara'. If you are interested in reading it you have to look it up
under the name 'Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra'. The best translation is
by Girish Chand Sharma. You can find it at a big research library if
you live in a city. Otherwise you can buy it at www.astroamerica.com
This is the only classic book you need to learn sidereal astrology.
However the book is written in such a way that you cannot get really
good at prediction without the guidance of a teacher. But there are
many books available that can teach you the basics of this amazing
book. Even with those you should be able to predict well, depending on
your natural ability.
> Coming up on a thousand years ago al-Biruni gave violence to the 6th
> in matters of Horary's. See page 276 of his book where he compiled
> what went before him. His book dates around 1029 AD. In Lee's book
> on page 225 she acknowledges this minus the Horary notation. On page
> 275 in al-Biruni's book, he lists tumults for the 12th.. Abraham Ibn
> Ezra, 12th Century, The Beginning of Wisdom, Chapter 3, page 193,
> lists beatings in the 12th house. Other astrologer's before these
> list dangers and such hinting to violence spread across the 6 / 12
> houses in nativities.
>
Yes the 6/12 axis is a very bad one. In sidereal astrology all planets
apect the house directly opposite them. About half the planets have
special aspects, but the others only fully aspect the houses opposite
them. That is why in sidereal astrology the opposing houses have
similar meanings. A planet in the 12th will always fully aspect the
6th, causing calamity.
> You are also familiar then how we connect or mix opposite house
> meanings? This dates back around 2,000 years ago so it is not new in
> our Tropical heritage.
Woops! looks like I spoke to soon! It seems you're already familiar
with what I was saying. Funny how that works.
>
> Another person wrote:
> > I have always felt the sixth as service to others and work.
>
Some of my books give service, including military service. Working for
others.
> We misinterpreted Labour to mean our work/profession. Labour/work in
> this case actually translates to our Overwork leading to our
> illnesses and accidents that this house is about. See al-Biruni page
> 275.
>
> Modern astrologers rarely make connection our labour/toil leads to
> our Illnesses in this house. Astrologer's usually accept 6th for
> illness but don't recognize where the illness comes from in this
> house. Researching our astro heritage we find it is from our
> overwork. This has nothing to do with the formulae, What One Does,
> Profession or Work as sought in many posts on list. Later authors
> also left out or did not stress enough yet another important piece
> of the formulae described below.
>
> About work as in profession and the 6th we have somewhat
> misunderstood that to. Inadequate translations have not helped.
> Others good intentions leave us guessing how to apply. For an
> example, see an otherwise wonderful little book from CEO Carter, The
> Principles of Astrology around page 134, Vocation and Finance. He
> leaves out few key points I mention below.
Interesting analysis. This house also has a few positive meanings as
well. Labour doesn't always lead to illness ;)
In the system I use it is primarily a house of calamity of all sorts
and from all directions. However it is also a house that can generate
money.
Very interesting reading. I like the textual references. I suspect that
sidereal and tropical astrology of old were very similar. That makes
sense if astrology works, right?
Andrei
and...@my-deja.com
> I had always been taught that the 6th house did not rule what you did
for a
> living; but rather what you do on a daily basis (routine things
like...brushing
> your teeth, checking the mail, etc). I was also taught that it is a
house of
> duty and obligation.
I can't say you're wrong, because I use sidereal and sidereal astrology
has different rules of house meanings. But there are similarities
however! Military duty is looked at by the 6th.
> If that is the case, I can see the argument for the abusive aspect of
the 6th
> house, because with duty and obligation, there can also come a sense
of
> resentment, which in some cases can lead to abusive behavior
(maybe?).
Sidereal interpretation of the 6th is quite different. This is what the
6th represents according to the sidereal Bible:
'enemies, wounds, maternal uncle, stepmother'
Another classic says:
'diseases, enemies, bad habits, and hurt'
So this is where the problem lies. If you apply sidereal rules, you
have some different significations.
> I do agree that it might not be absolute, but I think it is definately
> something study in future charts.
One thing that I have seen is that a person who has an exchange of any
house lords with the 6th house becomes enemies and fights with the
person who the other house represents.
For example an exchange of the 4th and 6th causes the mom to be an
enemy or suffer an accident/illness, the 7th and 6th the wife, the 5th
and 6th the child, 11th and 6th older sibling, 9th and 6th father, etc.
If you study this with sidereal charts, this is an easy easy prediction
to make.
For example a friend of mine had his 6th lord in the 9th house. His
father beat him. Another friend had the 6th lord in the 11th. His
brother died in a car accident. Another had his 6th lord in the 11th.
His older brother went insane, and he doesn't get along with him.
So the 6th lord gives malefic results in sidereal astrology.
You should watch for it in horoscopes of people you know, it might
interest you.
Bye Bye,
Andrei
Heather
point of view... true Keera...as in an auto-immune disease...where
the body attacks itself. Have you ever
noticed how many women as opposed to men get auto-immune diseases?
Perhaps it's because men "get things out" whereas some women keep things
"in" and implodes on their bodies? what do you think?
3 years ago I got a rare mysterious illness that baffled the Doctors.I went
6
months without being diagnosed. Finally I hit the med books and ended
up diagnosing my illness before the Doctors did... LOL! with my
chart...heaven help me if I'm ever in the hospital... they'd probably take
my gall bladder out even though I was scheduled for something like
a chest X-ray.
A fellow astrologer of mine here in town grabbed
my chart and thought I had some kind of "toxic poisoning" bomb
go off in my body. . By looking
at the transits below indeed it was "blown" out of all proportion...
it was a bomb all right. LOL
.. the day I went into the emergency room Tr. Sun , Tr.Neptune and Tr,
Jupiter were ALL conjunct in Capricorn and in turn were ALL conjunct
my 4th house Jupiter! which in turn were ALL quincunx my Uranus/node
it hit like a thunder clap.
(so my Jupiter return...was no JOLLY event! LOL)
(now Pete is gonna say my 4th house Jupiter rules my 6th instead
of Neptune) <s>
also Tr.Saturn was trining my Venus out of the 6th. (go figure)
and pg.moon had "just" entered Virgo. talk about a different
"focus" from pg.moon in Leo! :-(
The only thing I can joke about is at least if I'm gonna have a rare
illness...
at least it takes a rare line-up of planets to do it... <g> what
shocked a specialist is it went away as mysteriously as it came
8 months later. interesting that mars was in my 12th
the whole time for the 8 months. (mars went retro that year)
By the way Keera...I like your closing line... LOL and yes I agree :-)
Heather
Keera A. Fox wrote in message <1e4xkmk.1g0o5oq12v7j1rN%ka...@online.no>...
><snip for space>
>
>I don't think you and Andrei or mich64 are in disagreement. I understand
>what mich64 is saying about "service" vs. "profession". The 6th is the
>house of *routine* and *habit* and signifies whereever those are
>expressed, including in one's own body (hence the health tie-in) and in
>one's home and work place. Like you, Heather, I can point to my MC and
>its ruler as being the clearest indicator of what my *career* is. But as
>for my *health*, I can guarantee that if I am upset at work, especially
>with co-workers, I will get sick. I have my Moon in Gemini in my 6th.
>
>In this respect, I can understand how one can make the leap, so to
>speak, and tie violence or abuse into the 6th: If what happens to us can
>be shown to relate to what our habits are, then the 6th should also show
>us the consequences of those habits. Taking further leaps: Disease could
>be seen as a form of violence against one's own body. Certainly it can
>cause pain, as does being attacked. :-)
>
>It certainly is refreshing to have a good astrological thread to sink
>one's teeth into - and I don't mind the teeth, as long as nobody bites
>down. :-)
>
Pete Phoenix
<and...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:86jg9e$ppo$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hi Phoenix,
>
> Unfortunately, there are different rules involved as well. The
sidereal
> houses are whole sign divisions. ie first house for a Taurus
ascendant
> would begin at 0 degrees and go to 30.
>
> Also we don't use the planets past Saturn. So the house lords
use the
> traditional rulerships.
>
> The aspects are different as well. There are also several
different
> indications for the houses and planets.
>
> In some ways it is simpler than Tropical, but in other ways it
is
> harder.
>
> But it's interesting to learn!
>
> Ciao,
>
> Andrei
Hi Andrei,
thanks for the tips. Am I right in saying that this is Vedic
astrology? It's a branch of the craft that has always fascinated
me because of it's emphasis on traditional techniques. Can you
recommend any good reading or websites on this?
Cheers.
Pete Phoenix.
" I don't want to achieve immortality through my work -
I want to achieve it through not dying."
- Woody Allen-
>
and...@my-deja.com
I'm just curious about some things.
> I am well aware of the 6th house tropical indications and I'm sorry
> but I will hold my ground that just because the 6th is involved either
> by transit or natally does NOT indicate violence to the owner of that
chart.
In the case at hand of this abusive guy I applied the sidereal rules
and found them working. I used the following rules.
"If the 7th lord is in the 6th, the native's wife will be sickly or the
native will be inimical towards her, he himself is given to anger"
"If the 6th lord is in the 7th the native will be devoid of happiness
through wedlock"
Also one of the natural significations of the 6th house in sidereal
astrology is violence, while the 7th is the wife, so their mutual
exchange causes the violence.
I am curious as to what Tropical indications there are in his chart
that he is abusive towards his wife and will continue to be so in the
future?
This whole thread has ballooned and I am not yet clear on the
indicators for violence in his chart and in general for Tropical
astrology.
Obviously due to the different rulerships of houses, the relationship
rules of planets must also be different, so I am interested in seeing
the application of these Tropical rules.
Thanks for the info,
Andrei
Heather
with the moon square mars in general. ...which speaks
of his emotional nature and especially dealing with his mom and women.
One need not invoke any type of astrology to know we don't change
our fundamental underpinnings. Yes we can modify how we respond
to people but for someone to say oh well that moon mars square falls
in "X" house so you know what? he's never angry at all..... that's just
nonsense. Yes this thread has been beaten to death..no pun
intended.. and in case some novice is reading this I wouldn't want someone
to misinterpret what I am saying... which is... a moon square
mars...is exactly that...a moon square mars... emotional anger very
much geared toward women and the mother. period. if you use
sidereal and it works for you..this is good. :-) But however
you crack open the nut we both agree about anger and /or
violence with women. Andrei the only point I was trying to explain
to you that in tropical astrology..the 6th house need not result in
violence. You are doing sidereal. we are not on the same page
here <bg>
Heather
and...@my-deja.com wrote in message <86lqt9$gkm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Hi Heather,
>
>I'm just curious about some things.
>
>> I am well aware of the 6th house tropical indications and I'm sorry
>> but I will hold my ground that just because the 6th is involved either
>> by transit or natally does NOT indicate violence to the owner of that
>chart.
>
>In the case at hand of this abusive guy I applied the sidereal rules
>and found them working. I used the following rules.
>
>"If the 7th lord is in the 6th, the native's wife will be sickly or the
>native will be inimical towards her, he himself is given to anger"
>
>"If the 6th lord is in the 7th the native will be devoid of happiness
>through wedlock"
>
>Also one of the natural significations of the 6th house in sidereal
>astrology is violence, while the 7th is the wife, so their mutual
>exchange causes the violence.
>
>I am curious as to what Tropical indications there are in his chart
>that he is abusive towards his wife and will continue to be so in the
>future?
>
>This whole thread has ballooned and I am not yet clear on the
>indicators for violence in his chart and in general for Tropical
>astrology.
>
>Obviously due to the different rulerships of houses, the relationship
>rules of planets must also be different, so I am interested in seeing
>the application of these Tropical rules.
>
>Thanks for the info,
>
>Andrei
>
>
>
>
>
Pete Phoenix
> Disease can be "violence against one's own body".... that's an
HELLO! :-))
So you get a rare and mysterious illness attacking your body and
fritzing your health just as Neptune (chaotic and confusing
conditions; mysterious draining away; things are not what they
seem) hits the traditional ruler of your 6th house, along with
that ruler itself??
There you are. I rest my case...Jupiter rules your 6th!
{ hugs }
and...@my-deja.com
I have gotten curious reading these posts as to what combinations and
houses represent violence in Tropical astrology.
I realize with time that the indicators change, so I was wondering if
you could tell me both the modern and classic houses and planets
involved.
Also did the ancients use the same negative aspect systems? Maybe if
you could take a look at this guy's chart and point out a few things.
He apparently has a Scorio moon square Mars, but is there anything else?
Astrology of all sorts intrersts me, in fact divination of any sort I
find fascinating, although dangerous sometimes. SO I eagerly await your
response,
Andrei
Keera A. Fox
> Disease can be "violence against one's own body".... that's an interesting
> point of view... true Keera...as in an auto-immune disease...where the
> body attacks itself. Have you ever noticed how many women as opposed to
> men get auto-immune diseases? Perhaps it's because men "get things out"
> whereas some women keep things "in" and implodes on their bodies? what do
> you think?
>
I work for an insurance company, and our stats show that working-aged
men have a 12 % likelihood of dying and 4 % chance of becoming disabled,
while the numbers are reversed for women. Considering that what kills
most young men are acts of violence including accidents, while women are
more prone to psycho-somatic illnesses, then yes, the genders experience
"violence to the body" in different ways and for different reasons.
I'm not entirely certain this is only a 6th house issue, but that's just
because I don't know enough about this. (Although I can sort of see
Mercury tying into the act of judging what's good for one's health. Him:
"Hey, let's see how fast this car will go! I can make that turn..." Her:
"I'm so worried about my kids and my home and our finances...I just
*can't* get sick now so I'll just ignore that funny pain and keep
going."
One thing both violence and disease have in common is that they can make
the body *hurt*. That's one way to tie the 6th into it. Another
Mercurial thought: Pain is a *messenger* - an interoffice memo that
something is wrong in the health-and-well-being department. The cause
could be anything.
> 3 years ago I got a rare mysterious illness that baffled the Doctors.I
> went 6 months without being diagnosed. Finally I hit the med books and
> ended up diagnosing my illness before the Doctors did... LOL! with my
> chart...heaven help me if I'm ever in the hospital... they'd probably take
> my gall bladder out even though I was scheduled for something like a
> chest X-ray.
And be miffed that the patient knew more than them. ;-)
>
> A fellow astrologer of mine here in town grabbed my chart and thought I
> had some kind of "toxic poisoning" bomb go off in my body. . By looking at
> the transits below indeed it was "blown" out of all proportion... it was
> a bomb all right. LOL
>
> .. the day I went into the emergency room Tr. Sun , Tr.Neptune and Tr,
> Jupiter were ALL conjunct in Capricorn and in turn were ALL conjunct my
> 4th house Jupiter! which in turn were ALL quincunx my Uranus/node it hit
> like a thunder clap. (so my Jupiter return...was no JOLLY event! LOL)
>
> (now Pete is gonna say my 4th house Jupiter rules my 6th instead
> of Neptune) <s>
>
LOL! He did!
> also Tr.Saturn was trining my Venus out of the 6th. (go figure) and
> pg.moon had "just" entered Virgo. talk about a different "focus" from
> pg.moon in Leo! :-(
>
> The only thing I can joke about is at least if I'm gonna have a rare
> illness... at least it takes a rare line-up of planets to do it... <g>
> what shocked a specialist is it went away as mysteriously as it came 8
> months later. interesting that mars was in my 12th the whole time for the
> 8 months. (mars went retro that year)
>
Very interesting! Good astrology, that, I think. :-)
> By the way Keera...I like your closing line... LOL and yes I agree :-)
>
Thanks! :-)
Heather
hey Pete what does Neptune rule then my dear? <bg>
Jupiter is not a "viral" or bacterial planet...Neptune is...
all my health problems have been infectious in nature
my whole life.(not just in 1997) Not exactly Jupiterian :-)
or Capricornian for that matter. Perhaps I have 2 rulers
of my 6th <wink> That I "might" grant you :-D
Heather
Jen
very scary. I have Pluto in Virgo retrograde, Uranus in Libra
retrograde, South Node Libra, and Jupiter in Libra retrograde. Other
than this, its 12th and 8th house stuff-12th house sun pisces. I
know-scary.
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Carolefarm
>>>I have gotten curious reading these posts as to what combinations and
houses represent violence in Tropical astrology.>>>
Michael Munkasey in "The Astrological Thesaurus - Book I - House Keywords"
lists Violence as House 1 and Violation or Violent Crime as House 8. This
seems to correlate with Mars and Aries (1st); Mars or Pluto and Scorpio (8th).
Rex Bill lists Mars and Pluto as the planetary rulers of violence, so you can
see how Munkasey's assignments correspond to this.
Western astrology practiced in the states during the 2nd half of the 20th
century was "psychologized" in many circles. It seems to me that what happened
was that the chart was looked at in a more abstract way and not so concretely
as the sidereal approach, the approach that comes from India or even the
traditional western approach.
Some equated the signs, rulers and houses in the same way. That is, if Mars
rules potential violence, then that would also correspond to the sign and the
house.
Astrologer Zipporah Dobyns wrote and taught about "the 12 letter alphabet of
astrology" Aries corresponded to Mars and the 1st house, Taurus to Venus and
the 2nd house.
This approach simplified astrological principles but (imho) appears to be more
useful for understanding the psychology of a person to direct them toward a
potential talent or resource rather than being able to specifically identify
particular events in their past or to forcast a future event.
The study of Chakra has helped me to gain some insight into the difference
between the two approaches. Thanks for your recommendation of the Arthur
Avalon book.
I purchased a copy and this will help my study.
Carole
Carole
and...@my-deja.com
> I would be very interested on your opinions of MY 6th house, which is
> very scary. I have Pluto in Virgo retrograde, Uranus in Libra
> retrograde, South Node Libra, and Jupiter in Libra retrograde. Other
> than this, its 12th and 8th house stuff-12th house sun pisces. I
> know-scary.
It depends on the ownership of the planets and which planets are
involved. Even planets in the 6th, 8th or 12th which is normally bad
can turn out good depending on the ownership and special rules involved
per house.
Secondly it depends on which cycles you are running. You could have a
terrible combination that never occurs during your life, because the
planets involved never get the chance to exert their energies.
Also your chart must be viewed from the sidereal perspective. In this,
the planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto no longer have any effect on your
chart, even in transit. That would just leave Jupiter and the south
node together, which is good for spiritual reasons, but may have some
side effects depending on ownership.
Bye bye,
Andrei
Pete Phoenix
>Heather wrote in message ...
> aaaaaaaahahahahaha I knew you'd pop in here mate! :-)
> hey Pete what does Neptune rule then my dear? <bg>
> Jupiter is not a "viral" or bacterial planet...Neptune is...
> all my health problems have been infectious in nature
> my whole life.(not just in 1997) Not exactly Jupiterian :-)
> or Capricornian for that matter. Perhaps I have 2 rulers
> of my 6th <wink> That I "might" grant you :-D
Ooooh, well thanky-danky-do! LOL!!
I mentioned what Neptune ruled in my other post (which you
obviously haven't read)<wink>.
I also quoted what Lilly said about Jupiter and Pisces-type
illnesses <wink wink>
Jupiter rules the principles of expansion and growth, right? How
does a virus multiply?
Exponentially, right? Unchecked? Usually. Sounds like Jupiter run
amuk to me...., and given the fact that it was returning to it's
natal place, ( Jupiter conjunct Jupiter) where it joined transit
Neptune, you've got the perfect arena for a super-magnification
of Jupiter's effect. And since it rules your
6th..........<smack!>
<sings:> "A-multiplication.....a-that's the name of the
gaa-ayme.....;-D
"CHECK!" Your move, darlin'...
This is FUN! hehehe.....
Pete.
Heather
in on a semi square to my Jupiter :-( some people think
semi squares aren't powerful ...I 've seen otherwise .
Heather
Pete Phoenix wrote in message ...
>
Jen
access to that information. Also,one of the reasons the whole violence
issue bothered me is I also have Mars in the 8th, and mars is my
ascendant ruler.
and...@my-deja.com
> This approach simplified astrological principles but (imho) appears
to be more
> useful for understanding the psychology of a person to direct them
toward a
> potential talent or resource rather than being able to specifically
identify
> particular events in their past or to forcast a future event.
Yes the approach of the siderealists is similar in that they take the
natural significations of the houses and correlate them to the signs
involved, but not the planets.
For example Libra would signify marriage as would the 7th, Capricorn
work along with the 10th, Sagittarius and the 9th for philosophy and
travel, etc.
The houses are instead representing the houses in this way:
1) the sun representing the self
2) Jupiter representing wealth
3) Mars, younger siblings, initiative, courage
4) Moon emotion, Mars land, Venus cars
5) Jupiter children, etc.
>
> The study of Chakra has helped me to gain some insight into the
difference
> between the two approaches. Thanks for your recommendation of the
Arthur
> Avalon book.
> I purchased a copy and this will help my study.
I hope it was the "Serpent Power"(kundalini). This has a 312 page
introduction that explains everything about the Tantric practice, which
is essentially to control cakras and the kundalini.
However most of his books have healthy introductions that explain the
science, so it is all good.
Another more modern and easy to understand book that is a fantastic
read is 'Aghora II: Kundalini'. This reads more like a novel, where as
the Avalon is definitely a textbook. This is written by Robert E.
Svoboda.
Also a good book is by Gopi Krishna. He describes in detail the
awakening of his kundalini. So it is good to read a first person
account of this.
It makes sense to me that the significations must be a little different
as the zodiacs are no longer the same, yet you will find that they both
give results, but each for different things.
For example the tropical sun sign is a far better general indicator of
looks, and character than the sidereal, which has more bearing on the
soul of the individual.
The siderealists look at the ascendant for this sort of information. It
is most accurate to look at both however.
Thanks for the great information,
and...@my-deja.com
What is your birth info? I can tell you more about the violence issue
then. Unfortunately I use a different system, so the planetary
positions you cite don't mean to much to me.
Thanks,
Uziomatic
Thomas David Kehoe
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