Astrological guessing game - ends June 8th
Apollia
game.
I just submitted a post to a discussion thread on a website. I
noted the precise time I posted it.
The time I posted it wasn't consciously, deliberated selected,
and I didn't look at the astrological chart in advance. As
usual, I simply posted it when I was finished with it.
The object of this guessing game is to determine, based on the
astrological chart for the moment I posted that post, roughly
what the post is about, and any other interesting details that
seem apparent about that post based on the chart.
The post is not up on that site yet, since it has to go through
a moderation/actual editing process first, but, after some time
has passed and some guesses have been made, I'll post a link to
that discussion.
Unfortunately, it won't be possible for me to find out the exact
time the post is actually put on the website, unless I sit there
loading the page every minute until it appears, which I'm
certainly not going to do... :-)
The posts on the discussion page have the time the post was
submitted, but not the time the posts actually were put up.
So, I guess we'll have to treat the data for submitting the
post as the date of "birth".
Anyhow, here's the data for when I submitted my post.
A copy-and-pasteable Astrolog 5.40 command line:
-qa Jun 1 2007 3:35 EDT 80:34W 41:09N
(Location: Hubbard, OH)
+-------<11> 4Aqu22----<10>11Cap35-----<9>20Sag43-----------+
| Chi 15Aqu37r | | | |
| Nep 22Aqu02r | | | Jup 15Sag30r |
| | | | Moo 13Sag33 |
| | | Plu 28Sag06r | Ves 8Sag04r |
<12> 5Pis04----|-----------------------------|-----26Sco53<8>
| Nod 11Pis39r | | |
| Pal 16Pis29 | Astrolog 5.40 chart | |
| Ura 18Pis29 | Fri Jun 1 2007 3:35am | |
| Mar 12Ari37 | ST -04:00, 80:34W 41:09N | Lil 24Lib54 |
<1>21Ari42-----| UT: 7:35, Sid.T: 18:50 |-----21Lib42<7>
| Cer 28Ari20 | Placidus Houses | |
| | Tropical / Geocentric | For 18Lib36 |
| | Julian Day = 2454252.8160 | Jun 12Lib00r |
| | | Ver 9Lib10 |
<2>26Tau53-----|-----------------------------|----- 5Vir04<6>
| Sun 10Gem27 | Mer 3Can43 | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | Ven 25Can35 | Sat 19Leo42 |
+-----------20Gem43<3>-----11Can35<4>----- 4Leo22<5>--------+
And, in case this additional detail might be in some way useful,
the entirety of the post was composed between 1:31 AM and
3:35 AM.
-qa Jun 1 2007 1:31 EDT 80:34W 41:09N
I'm not sure of precisely when I began to write it, but, 1:31 PM
was definitely when I loaded the page (as I can see from my web
browser history), and I began composing a reply shortly after
that.
Of course, you're all welcome to compare these charts to my
natal chart, and make whatever comments you like.
I'll post the link to the discussion sometime on June 8th (a
week from now), so we can all see how accurate (or not) the
guesses were.
If anyone would like more time than that to ponder the charts, I
can extend the deadline and post the link sometime later than
June 8th.
I don't know if making accurate guesses about the content of
some piece of writing, based on the chart for the date of
completion, is even supposed to be possible via astrology - but,
I just thought I'd post this and see what you all come up
with... :-)
I submitted _this_ current post you're now reading here on aamod
at 5:17 AM EDT, in case that detail helps anyone... :-) No,
I didn't employ electional astrology to choose the time to make
_this_ post, either... :-)
-qa Jun 1 2007 5:17 EDT 80:34W 41:09N
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Apollia My website: http://www.astroblahhh.com/
Birth data: -qa July 3 1981 12:50 EDT 79:59W 40:26N (Pittsburgh, PA)
Apollia
> Hi. I thought of an idea for a little astrological guessing
> game.
>
> I just submitted a post to a discussion thread on a website. I
> noted the precise time I posted it.
>
> The time I posted it wasn't consciously, deliberated selected,
> and I didn't look at the astrological chart in advance. As
> usual, I simply posted it when I was finished with it.
>
> The object of this guessing game is to determine, based on the
> astrological chart for the moment I posted that post, roughly
> what the post is about, and any other interesting details that
> seem apparent about that post based on the chart.
[...]
> I'll post the link to the discussion sometime on June 8th (a
> week from now), so we can all see how accurate (or not) the
> guesses were.
Well, so, it's June 9th where I am, and quite a few other places
as well, but it's still June 8th in Hawaii, so, I'm on time...
:-)
Though no one replied, I assume probably lurkers and others may
have made guesses that they didn't post, and perhaps were
awaiting the answer, so, here it is.
OK, before I provide the link, I would like to provide a link to
the original versions of my writing:
http://astroblahhh.com/opinions/may_2007_businessweek_comments.shtml
OK, now here's the link:
http://www.businessweek.com/debateroom/archives/2007/05/stop_fleecing_p.html
The topic of the debate was "Stop Fleecing Poor Americans".
BusinessWeek does quite a bit of actual editing/changing of
comments, so, my comments are actually slightly different from
what I originally wrote.
Particularly with my earlier posts, in which, not realizing how
extensively they edit posts, I didn't do as much tailoring of my
writing to make it as unlikely as possible that bad changes
would be made, I was actually a bit annoyed with some of the
subtle but misleading changes in meaning that resulted from a
few small but bad edits, and how in places the overall effect
was weakened, etc. (Although other changes were, in some ways,
improvements).
So, just wanted to make sure everyone knows that the comments on
the BusinessWeek site are _not_ precisely what I submitted, and
if you only read one or the other, I'd much prefer you to read
my original versions:
http://astroblahhh.com/opinions/may_2007_businessweek_comments.shtml
Anyhow, I guess I might as well run through and make some
comments on the chart for my most recent post (the 4th one).
This will probably be the first slightly in-depth "natal"
analysis of a BusinessWeek Debate Room comment in the history
of the world... :-D
The time stated on their site for that post is 2:36 AM, which I
assume is probably due to time zone differences, or something,
and someone's clock being wrong (theirs and/or mine).
Kind of odd that the time on the last post is wrong and the
other times on the BusinessWeek site, based on checking my
own files, etc., are basically correct.
But, I'm definite that 3:35 AM is correct, since, not only is
that the time I noted, but it's backed up with not-so-hard
evidence - as that's exactly what is on the file I saved to
commemorate the "historical event" of my making that comment. :-)
If anyone is actually interested in looking at the charts for my
other posts, I recommend using the dates and times on my page,
along with the location data Hubbard, OH.
I'm not going to write about (or most likely, even look at) all
the charts in depth, but here are some copy-and-pasteable
Astrolog 5.40 command lines for the other three posts.
Just like my 4th post, none of the times of submission for these
posts were deliberately chosen based on astrology.
-qa May 11 2007 22:49 EDT 80:34W 41:09N
-qa May 12 2007 14:52 EDT 80:34W 41:09N
-qa May 16 2007 2:13 EDT 80:34W 41:09N
OK, now, the fourth comment. Here's the chart (and data):
-qa Jun 1 2007 3:35 EDT 80:34W 41:09N
(Location: Hubbard, OH)
+-------<11> 4Aqu22----<10>11Cap35-----<9>20Sag43-----------+
| Chi 15Aqu37r | | | |
| Nep 22Aqu02r | | | Jup 15Sag30r |
| | | | Moo 13Sag33 |
| | | Plu 28Sag06r | Ves 8Sag04r |
<12> 5Pis04----|-----------------------------|-----26Sco53<8>
| Nod 11Pis39r | | |
| Pal 16Pis29 | Astrolog 5.40 chart | |
| Ura 18Pis29 | Fri Jun 1 2007 3:35am | |
| Mar 12Ari37 | ST -04:00, 80:34W 41:09N | Lil 24Lib54 |
<1>21Ari42-----| UT: 7:35, Sid.T: 18:50 |-----21Lib42<7>
| Cer 28Ari20 | Placidus Houses | |
| | Tropical / Geocentric | For 18Lib36 |
| | Julian Day = 2454252.8160 | Jun 12Lib00r |
| | | Ver 9Lib10 |
<2>26Tau53-----|-----------------------------|----- 5Vir04<6>
| Sun 10Gem27 | Mer 3Can43 | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | Ven 25Can35 | Sat 19Leo42 |
+-----------20Gem43<3>-----11Can35<4>----- 4Leo22<5>--------+
Aries seems a fitting rising sign for a post which was
essentially for the sake of debate, defending a perspective
rather than just meekly (and falsely) saying, "oh yeah, you're
right, never mind", etc.
It was also the first post where I was actually in an argument
with someone else who had directly attacked me... :-) My
opponent was a guy named Aaron, a name with a maybe kind of
interesting resemblance to the word "Aries".
Hmm, neat, using Astrodienst, http://www.astro.com/ , I looked
up where Eris is in this chart. 21°22' Aries, in the 12th, 20'
away from the ascendant. (Hmm, which puts my natal Pluto
exactly at the Eris/Ascendant midpoint of this chart).
I guess there's no way for me to prove that I definitely didn't
deliberately choose this exact time to post my comment, but, at
least _I_ know for certain it's a genuine random chart, not
selected through astrology... :-)
That said, I find Eris being prominent here interesting, since
it maybe fits in with some of the things Raymond has pointed out
in various very interesting posts about Eris possibly being
connected to civil/human/equal rights issues, standing up
against injustice, intolerance, slavery, etc.
Here I was, standing up for poor people (especially, the working
poor) - a group largely consisting of people who are practically
enslaved to debt, and it's also a group who a lot of people have
irrational, unfair prejudice against, as you can see from
various other people's comments in that Debate Room thread.
And my reply was self-defense against the prejudiced assumptions
someone made of me because I had admitted to being a member of
that maligned, downtrodden group - the poor.
The ruler of the 1st, Mars in Aries, is weakly conjunct the
ascendant (more combativeness, yay... :-) ), but is in the 12th.
I guess that might correlate with at least two things.
1), how I was defending the poor, unfortunate, homeless, etc. -
12th house folks. (Also fitting are Eris and Uranus in Pisces
being in the 12th, and maybe even Pallas, since I was trying to
think of effective strategies for helping the poor).
2), how I was holding back some of my irritation, and being very
nice.
Oh, and then there was my assertion, due to the fact that I
drink absolutely no alcohol at all, ever, that I would be
willing to bet money that my opponent (who assumed, for no
logical reason, that I was some kind of alcohol-drinking,
drug-addicted, empty-headed, irresponsible floozy) probably
drinks more alcohol than I do, and my gleeful declaration of
probable victory... :-)
Alcohol is associated with Neptune/Pisces, and the 12th house
is associated with Pisces. So, perhaps Mars in Aries in the
12th house could maybe correlate with competitive, victorious
bluster about being less of a drinker than someone else? :-)
OK, maybe it's a stretch... :-)
I was initially rather annoyed with his post, but ended up being
not really _that_ annoyed. He was actually so way off in his
assumptions of me, I found it quite amusing (and pleasing, since
it made his arguments very easy to counter... :-) ).
I also was flattered by the fact that he thought I had nerve...
why, thank you... :-)
Though I don't think it's nerve so much as just, not feeling
lowly and somehow unworthy of everything except fake
generosity, fake charity like loans. (Wherein the lender quite
likely, if there's interest, profits from your continued
misfortune, and isn't truly giving away anything (except
temporarily), and is likely getting back more from you than what
they gave to you).
Speaking of loans, in this chart, Mars also rules (or co-rules)
the 8th, with Scorpio on the cusp. I also groused a bit about
credit card companies, income tax, and so forth. I think
exorbitant credit card fees, income tax, etc. are all robbery no
matter who is being stolen from or how rich they are.
I also think debt is akin to (perhaps even a form of) slavery.
I despise all debt, but I'm especially disgusted by debt imposed
on third world countries (and their individual citizens) as some
kind of pretended "aid".
Not sure how credible all the information on this page is, but
it's quite shocking if it's true:
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Facts.asp
Quote:
: The poorer the country, the more likely it is that debt
: repayments are being extracted directly from people who
: neither contracted the loans nor received any of the money.
Quote:
: The developing world now spends $13 on debt repayment for
: every $1 it receives in grants.
And another horrifying page:
http://bingol.mydd.com/story/2007/4/29/191949/165
_Entire nations_ trapped in negative amortization, such as
what befalls unfortunate, destitute credit card holders!
Moon is conjunct Jupiter in Sagittarius in the 8th with a 1°56'
orb in this chart, which maybe kind of correlates with how I was
advocating that generous, caring, immensely rich people could
liberate many poor, suffering people from otherwise nigh
inescapable debt and slavery simply through wiping out the poor
people's debt with sums of money which are, to them in their
colossal wealth, like mere pocket change.
For a billionaire, $10,000 is nothing, (or it would be to me if
I were a billionaire), but it would sure change _my_ life.
(Though I'd rather have $20,000 or something, so I have a little
extra after I pay off my so-called debts... :-) )
I suppose it might not solve everything, because I think another
major factor in poverty is probably the high cost of living,
at least if you insist on living someplace with hot water,
electricity, etc., etc., and having a car, etc. I think a lot
of people go into debt because the combined cost of all the
various standard "essentials" is just too much, and many can't
get a job that pays well enough to cover everything.
On the other hand, it's a lot easier to make more money when you
already have some money on hand to help you get something going,
and to get things you need (like if you need a good computer
so you can learn some new skills, etc.).
So, rich people giving away money directly to individuals could
still really help, I think.
Lilith in Libra conjunct the 7th house cusp struck me as
interesting in light of my opponent holding this strange
assumption of me, that I was some kind of indolent,
irresponsible floozy.
(Libra is sometimes associated with laziness, shallowness,
pleasure-seeking, etc., and Lilith is sometimes associated with,
well, floozies, as far as I know).
But in fact, I'm actually an indolent, excessively responsible
non-floozy... :-) I might not get much done, but I'm always
thinking about the various things I should do, and have to
strive not to feel guilty about it all... :-)
And, as far as flooziness is concerned, well, I'm actually
pretty reserved, cool and unapproachable in person, though I can
do an amusing impression of flirtiness in writing (but even that
just about never happens).
Ceres in Aries the 1st house, conjunct the ascendant, also
struck me as interesting, especially since Ceres opposes
Lilith here.
I associate Ceres with motherhood, fertility, etc.
One of the first few defenses I made was to counter my
opponent's assumption of me that I was some kind of floozy with
"a couple kids on the way".
To counter that, I stated that while I was fertile and not
physically repulsive to men, I refuse to ever have children
(even if it might help my financial situation due to the
possibility of extorting child support).
And, I got into a little digression on how I abhor the hideously
malfunctioning child support system, how it impoverishes people
(like my family, I refrained from mentioning in my comment),
and can legally steal up to 65% of someone's paycheck, etc.
The 7th house cusp is 21°42' Libra, about 10' away from my
natal Pluto. I'd like to think that means I had a massive
transformative effect on my opponent's perspective.
(But since he didn't reply and I seemingly got the final word on
the entire thread, at least for now - I don't really know what
he thought, or if he even read my reply).
Hmm, looks like I'm going to be having a pretty long-term
transiting Eris/natal Pluto opposition... uh, yay? :-)
The 10th house cusp is 11°35' Capricorn, opposite my natal sun
in Cancer in 10 at 11°39' Cancer, and conjunct my natal IC,
3°48' Capricorn.
Much of my comment consisted of details of my life of a nature
which some people might prefer to keep private - but for some
reason it doesn't really bother me letting them be known,
especially when it helps prove my point, which was that my
opponent's stereotyped opinion of me (and, I would guess, of
many other poor people) was wong... :-)
Oh, yeah, Mercury in this chart is at 3°43' Cancer, 5' away
from my MC. Figures I'd make a public spectacle of this
particular piece of my writing, I guess.
Hmm, rather interesting that Mercury is soon going to go
retrograde around 11°36' Cancer, close to the IC in this chart.
Wonder if that "means" anything.
Hmm, can't think of much more to say. Oh, yeah, I guess I
barely even looked at aspects.
Well, the 1st house ruler, Mars, forms no hard aspects except a
very wide Mercury/Mars square (8°53'). Quite a few nice, soft
aspects - sextile sun (2°09 orb), biseptile Venus (0°06), a
grand trine with the moon (0°56'), Jupiter (2°53') and Saturn
(7°05'), septile Neptune (0°50'), biseptile Pluto (1°39').
Perhaps this (like the 12th house placement) correlates with how
my post was very mild and nonoffensive (well, so it seems to
me), even though it vigorously, uncompromisingly, and in my own
opinion, successfully defended my standpoint.
OK, guess that's all that seems at all of note to me.
Chapter 1 of the book "The Astrology of Insignificant Events"... :-)
Haha, just kidding... :-)
OK, now I better try to get something _really_ useful done... :-)
Jyeshta
Hi, Apollia, excellent post! Please note the retrogradation of
Jupiter, indicating the disregard of the rich for the poor - they
'turn their heads away' - Jupiter retrograde.
Gail
Apollia
news:t7gl63pjon2fs253j...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 04:01:08 -0500, Apollia <xerx...@aol.com> wrote:
[...]
>>Moon is conjunct Jupiter in Sagittarius in the 8th with a 1°56'
>>orb in this chart, which maybe kind of correlates with how I was
>>advocating that generous, caring, immensely rich people could
>>liberate many poor, suffering people from otherwise nigh
>>inescapable debt and slavery simply through wiping out the poor
>>people's debt with sums of money which are, to them in their
>>colossal wealth, like mere pocket change.
>
>Hi, Apollia, excellent post!
Thanks, glad you liked it. :-)
>Please note the retrogradation of
>Jupiter, indicating the disregard of the rich for the poor - they
>'turn their heads away' - Jupiter retrograde.
>
>Gail
Ah, yes. Too frequently I forget to pay attention to retrogrades.
Thanks. :-)
Jyeshta
wrote:
>"Jyeshta" <what...@twixtntween.com> wrote in message
>news:t7gl63pjon2fs253j...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 04:01:08 -0500, Apollia <xerx...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>>Moon is conjunct Jupiter in Sagittarius in the 8th with a 1°56'
>>>orb in this chart, which maybe kind of correlates with how I was
>>>advocating that generous, caring, immensely rich people could
>>>liberate many poor, suffering people from otherwise nigh
>>>inescapable debt and slavery simply through wiping out the poor
>>>people's debt with sums of money which are, to them in their
>>>colossal wealth, like mere pocket change.
>>
>>Hi, Apollia, excellent post!
>
>Thanks, glad you liked it. :-)
>
>>Please note the retrogradation of
>>Jupiter, indicating the disregard of the rich for the poor - they
>>'turn their heads away' - Jupiter retrograde.
(better put: "turn away".)
>>Gail
>
>Ah, yes. Too frequently I forget to pay attention to retrogrades.
>Thanks. :-)
I'm sorry about the way I phrased my comment. I thought it was
something worth mentioning, but I did it in a clumsy, know-it-all
sort of way. Thanks for being so gracious. :-)
Apollia
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 15:54:03 -0500, Apollia <xerxes...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Jyeshta" <whate...@twixtntween.com> wrote in message
> >news:t7gl63pjon2fs253j...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 04:01:08 -0500, Apollia <xerxes...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >[...]
[...]
> >>Please note the retrogradation of
> >>Jupiter, indicating the disregard of the rich for the poor - they
> >>'turn their heads away' - Jupiter retrograde.
>
> (better put: "turn away".)
>
> >>Gail
>
> >Ah, yes. Too frequently I forget to pay attention to retrogrades.
> >Thanks. :-)
>
> I'm sorry about the way I phrased my comment.
There was absolutely no problem with it at all... :-)
> I thought it was
> something worth mentioning,
It was... :-)
> but I did it in a clumsy, know-it-all
> sort of way.
It didn't come across that way at all. Seemed (and
seems) quite neutral and informative.
It takes much more than just sharing knowledge for someone to
appear to be the arrogant, condescending, smart-aleck variety
of "know-it-all", at least to me.
It would take a statement like, "I'm so smart, and you're not,
neener neener neener". :-)
> Thanks for being so gracious. :-)
Thanks, you're gracious too. :-)