new object Quaoar
Alois Treindl
A new celestial object has been discovered near the orbit of Pluto, with
about half the size of
Pluto. It has been named Quaoar, which is the creator deity of the
Californian Tongva Indians.
Further information is found at:
http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/2002/17/pr.html
At www.astro.com, we have computed its ephemeris, see homepage, left
column, or click here: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/quaoar.htm
Quaoar can also be inserted into natal charts, as asteroid number 60000
(please use: Free Horoscopes - Extended chart selection on our website.
This is only a temporary asteroid number, valid until the object will be
assigned an official number. The Swiss Ephemeris file is also available
for download on the ftp server.
Thanks to Dieter Koch for pointing the newspaper article out to me and
for doing all the work.
Regards
|| Alois Treindl, Astrodienst AG, mailto:al...@astro.com
|| Zollikon/Zurich, Switzerland
|| Free astrological charts at http://www.astro.com/
|| SWISS EPHEMERIS Free Edition at http://www.astro.com/swisseph/
SeaGtGruff
[...]
> A new celestial object has been discovered near the orbit of Pluto, with
> about half the size of Pluto. It has been named Quaoar, which is the
> creator deity of the Californian Tongva Indians.
I now know that this is wrong, but when I first saw that name in someone else's
announcement, I thought it looked like it might have been coined from
"Q-A-O-R," sort of like the way the term "cubewano" was coined from "QB1."
Thank you for explaining it's actual origin!
[...]
> Quaoar can also be inserted into natal charts, as asteroid number
> 60000
[...]
It seems that I have natal Quaoar closely conjunct my natal Moon:
Quaoar 18:13:11 Libra
Moon 18:14:11 Libra
I suppose its past positions may be modified somewhat as it continues to be
observed and its orbital elements are refined, but presumably the projected
positions are fairly reliable. It looks like I'll have to do some reading to
see what I can find out about the Tongvan creator deity. :-)
Michael Rideout
Alois Treindl
> It seems that I have natal Quaoar closely conjunct my natal Moon:
>
> Quaoar 18:13:11 Libra
> Moon 18:14:11 Libra
>
> I suppose its past positions may be modified somewhat as it continues to be
> observed and its orbital elements are refined, but presumably the projected
> positions are fairly reliable. It looks like I'll have to do some reading to
> see what I can find out about the Tongvan creator deity. :-)
>
I would think that the orbit is already rather precise (a few arc min
for the 20th century), as there are observations now known for 1982, so
that a sensible fraction of the 285-year orbit is known.
Please be aware hat the name is not official yet.
In an unusal step, the discoverers of 2002 LM60 have "named" it before
the object was numbered by the IAU. The normal process is that an object
receives a number, a few weeks after a stable orbit has been computed,
and then the discoverer(s) have the right to propose a name.
It can be assume however, that this process will be fairly quick, and
the name will remain and become official within two months.
On each full moon, a list of newly assigned numbers and names is publised.
Alois Treindl
> It seems that I have natal Quaoar closely conjunct my natal Moon:
>
> Quaoar 18:13:11 Libra
> Moon 18:14:11 Libra
>
and I have it conjunct my Mars:
Quaoar 6 Lib 58'
Mars 7 Lib 38'
Christine
Alois Treindl <firs...@lastname.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
ao0ml9$rnd$1...@rex.ip-plus.net...
So; what would be interesting to hear is what you both find in or about your
Libra influenced nature(s) that cannot be adequately explained by the
qualities within the planet already in the sign.
I remember the wonderment I experienced about where the inner pain induced
by others regarding my 'imperfect body' came from, and discovered Chiron was
in Virgo conjunct my Ascendant! And I have Mean Lilith conjunct both to
thank for getting rid of the false image I had created about myself :-))
Regards.
Christine.
Michael
Treindl says...
>
>Hi
>
>A new celestial object has been discovered near the orbit of Pluto, with
>about half the size of
>Pluto. It has been named Quaoar, which is the creator deity of the
>Californian Tongva Indians.
Oh, so us native Californians are doomed? lol.
Michael
>
>Further information is found at:
>http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/2002/17/pr.html
>
>At www.astro.com, we have computed its ephemeris, see homepage, left
>column, or click here: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/quaoar.htm
>
>Quaoar can also be inserted into natal charts, as asteroid number 60000
>(please use: Free Horoscopes - Extended chart selection on our website.
>
>This is only a temporary asteroid number, valid until the object will be
>assigned an official number. The Swiss Ephemeris file is also available
>for download on the ftp server.
>
>Thanks to Dieter Koch for pointing the newspaper article out to me and
>for doing all the work.
>
>Regards
>
>|| Alois Treindl, Astrodienst AG, mailto:al...@astro.com
>|| Zollikon/Zurich, Switzerland
>|| Free astrological charts at http://www.astro.com/
>|| SWISS EPHEMERIS Free Edition at http://www.astro.com/swisseph/
>
>
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Reign War before and after good luck -(BOOKOFLIFE.ORG)
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you need to look it up in, say, the NASA ephemeris).
--
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Raymond
Ixion.
Quaoar in 2'23 Scorpio
Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio
Black Moon(true position in 5'43 Scorpio
A healer friend of mine has Moon in 2'25 Scorpio and Venus in 2'36
Taurus, and so my Quaoar is only 2 minutes conjunct her Moon and 16
minutes oppose her Venus. Very interesting!
Ray
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John Roth
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Let us know!
Mine is at 27 Vi 28, about a degree approaching a sesquiquadrate to
natal Mars,
and two and a half degrees approaching natal Neptune. I might be able to
say
something about it when Mars does the exact conjunction in a couple of
days.
Of course, it's probably when I'm taking my sister to the surgeon to set
the date for hip replacement surgery. The appointment is for 2:30 pm
edt.
Let's see. Sister = 3rd (siblings), health = 6th comes out to 8th house?
In some
respects, this makes sense - the 8th house is the house of Life (and the
2nd is
the house of death.) I know this is reversed, but I'm following Rick
Houck's
comments in "The Astrology of Death" here. So a creator god should have
something to do with the house of life.
John Roth
>
> Michael Rideout
>
halo
"Alois Treindl" <al...@astro.ch> wrote in message
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i was just looking at the emphemeris and noticed that quaoar has quite short
and frequent retrograde periods. why is that? :/
Alois Treindl
>>At www.astro.com, we have computed its ephemeris, see homepage, left
>>column, or click here: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/quaoar.htm
>
> i was just looking at the emphemeris and noticed that quaoar has quite short
> and frequent retrograde periods. why is that? :/
They are exactly as frequent as should be: once a year, as all outer
planets seen from Earth. The peak retrograde motion is always at the
opposition to the Sun, i.e. for a body in Sagittarius this is when the
Sun is in Gemini.
It was last retrograde 12-mar-2002 - 24-aug-2002 (approximate, from
10-day ephemeris)
and will next be retrograde from 22-mar-2003 - 29-aug-2003
These periods are not short at all, but 5 1/2 months each time.
Alois
Michelle Speed
I've got Quaoar at 20 Cancer 52
Conjunct my Midheaven at 18 Cancer 43
It is also Trine to Uranus in Scorpio 2h, Sextile to Saturn in Virgo 11h,
Square to my Libra Ascendent, Square to Pluto in Libra 1h, and Square to
Lillith in Libra 1h. (Asc., Pluto and Lillith are all conjunct.)
I wonder what all this means...
-Michelle
John Roth
"Alain Stalder" <asta...@exactphilosophy.net> wrote in message
news:astalder-5BB6F0...@news.bluewin.ch...
> In article <ao0mdk$rm3$1...@rex.ip-plus.net>,
> Alois Treindl <firs...@lastname.com> wrote:
> [...]
> > Please be aware hat the name is not official yet.
> > In an unusal step, the discoverers of 2002 LM60 have "named" it
before
> > the object was numbered by the IAU. The normal process is that an
object
> > receives a number, a few weeks after a stable orbit has been
computed,
> > and then the discoverer(s) have the right to propose a name.
> >
> > It can be assume however, that this process will be fairly quick,
and
> > the name will remain and become official within two months.
> >
> > On each full moon, a list of newly assigned numbers and names is
publised.
>
>
> If I look back at the recent Saturn-Pluto oppositions, the name
> chosen for Pluto had quite some impact on the fate of the world.
> And, yet, the name is arguably at least partially due to the fact
> that its discoverer, Percival Lowell, has the initials P.L. which
> are the first two letters of the word "Pluto" and became one
> symbol for writing Pluto as a merged "PL".
That's a widely spread urban legend. What happened is that the
name was chosen by a contest; the winning entry was by an (I think)
British schoolgirl who related her choice (Pluto) to the fact that
the planet was very far from the sun, and quite dark. I wouldn't
be at all surprised if the judges took Pervcival Lowell's initials
into consideration, but that's not how the formal process worked.
It was a bit of very nice publicity.
Now, if you want one that _was_ named after the discoverer,
then just look at Uranus. It was originally named Herschel, and
was only changed later to fit in with the classical motif of the rest
of the planet's names. This is the reason why the symbol for
Uranus looks very much like an H with something dangling from
the crossbar.
John Roth
>
> Alain Stalder
> http://www.exactphilosophy.net
>
>
> PS: Is the fact that new names are normally published around new
> moon because then astronomical observations are more difficult
> and astronomers have time to look at the new names or are there
> other reasons (besides the obvious psychological ones) ?
Actually, astrolomical observations are easier: you don't have the
light of the Moon to contend with. I have no idea why they are
published then, other than the wish to have some easily observable
astronomical phenomenon, which a new moon fits quite nicely.
JR.
Chelsea Polk
with
> > > about half the size of
> > > Pluto. It has been named Quaoar, which is the creator deity of the
> > > Californian Tongva Indians.
> > > Quaoar can also be inserted into natal charts, as asteroid number
60000
> > > (please use: Free Horoscopes - Extended chart selection on our
website.
> I've got Quaoar at 20 Cancer 52
> Conjunct my Midheaven at 18 Cancer 43
>
> It is also Trine to Uranus in Scorpio 2h, Sextile to Saturn in Virgo 11h,
> Square to my Libra Ascendent, Square to Pluto in Libra 1h, and Square to
> Lillith in Libra 1h. (Asc., Pluto and Lillith are all conjunct.)
I have a completely unaspected Quaoar. it sits at 29 Libra 16, in the sixth
house. whee, how exciting.
there is of course nothing in the way of information on the Quaoar myth
readily available on the web. all I found was this:
Quaoar Their only god who "came down from heaven; and, after reducing chaos
to order, out the world on the back of seven giants. He then created the
lower animals," and then mankind. Los Angeles County Indians, California.
is there anything else? any observations on the energies?
As for transits... the sun will be conjuct my natal Quaoar at 12:47 pm
October 22.
Venus transited Quaoar at 9:32 on september sixth. I know exactly what I
was doing at that time, on that day.
Approaching:
I was having trouble with my boss (6th house) and she had taken that night's
shift away from me because she objected to me calling a domestic crisis
center on work time. I was looking for a new place to live, and through a
series of events, I had come up with the idea of writing a cute little ad
and posting it at my work to get leads. For some reason, I insisted that
one of my customers read the ad. well wouldn't you know - he has a place,
and needs a roommate. that was the wednesday - venus was at about 27 libra
30 when he came in.
Exact:
at damn near to 9:32 pm I was walking through the doors of the Treehouse,
where I now live. The atmosphere was extremely warm and comfortable, I
liked it right away, and we agreed to move in on the 15th. The room was
great - I immediately started seeing how my furniture would fit, decorating
ideas, etc. I stayed and chatted a bit, and I really didn't want to go - I
wanted to stay and talk. But I ended up taking the bus over to work to talk
to a friend I warked with about an hour and a half later - and discovered
that the person who was covering my shift was brand spanking new, and he
wasn't handling it well. I offered to give him some tips and pointers, and
then I was going to the pub across the street.
He asked me why I wasn't working that night, and I told him. he told me that
he didn't want to work - if he left, would I stay? I said sure, and ended
up working my shift anyway by around midnight.
The boss fired me and cheated me out of severance pay - but it didn't
matter. I already had another job lined up, working in a fabric store -
something a wee bit closer to Libralove's assessment of more comfy work for
me.
Seperating:
I ended up having a complete blowout with my boss on the afternoon of
September 11th. I told her she had "the conscience and compassion of a
reptile" at about 1:30. Venus was at 2scorpio59.
So, there's a datapoint, at least.
Chelsea
Kaxanova Zakomo
> ao0ml9$rnd$1...@rex.ip-plus.net...
> > SeaGtGruff wrote:
> >
> > > It seems that I have natal Quaoar closely conjunct my natal Moon:
> > >
> > > Quaoar 18:13:11 Libra
> > > Moon 18:14:11 Libra
From Quaor Libra one may predict and wish a happy Xmass for
you this year as soulmates return to your lap.
> > >
Both aspects enmesh. They form a matrix in time/space ping-ponging us
like object programming to the events in our life that _link_ to the
ones we live. Merry Xmas means early childhood on that line. Quaor
might have an internal 'jump' option, so we can sort of browse the
timespace matrix (the assemblage points of our shiny coocoon), like
an operative being should. On this planets operative beings are shamans.
When one is into Quaoar analysis, he can relax and let it guide him from
event to event, like an automatic jumper. No rational analysis is needed
due to the easy transfer of energy from timespace to timespace.
> > and I have it conjunct my Mars:
> > Quaoar 6 Lib 58'
> > Mars 7 Lib 38'
Interesting. Quaoar seems to be 'disorder in war', and Mars is war.
In your case a rather turbolent early childhood and birth? The first
bloody steps. Quaoar in this combination feels like Moon, while with
Uraus it calms the other planet down acting as Saturn. Strange.
> >
>
> So; what would be interesting to hear is what you both find in or about your
> Libra influenced nature(s) that cannot be adequately explained by the
> qualities within the planet already in the sign.
> I remember the wonderment I experienced about where the inner pain induced
> by others regarding my 'imperfect body'
That might be the point. The two cases above may show early events
connected with the physical body. The daily default mind is installed
for good at the age of three. Until then we have our true mind (the
original Self). The first shock of using a foreign mind forced on us
and absolutely boring (this wrongly called 'education') must be a shock.
We are even supposed to have one-size-fits-all Barbie Avatar bodies (and
KenBen whatever). Perhaps this object can unjungle this?
came from, and discovered Chiron was
> in Virgo conjunct my Ascendant! And I have Mean Lilith conjunct both to
> thank for getting rid of the false image I had created about myself :-))
But the ascendant is the false image? ;)
>
> Regards.
> Christine.
Raymond
My Quaoar is in 2'23 Scorpio
My:
Moon in 3'11 Pisces
Varuna in 3'01 Gemini retrograde
Pallas in 3'11 Gemini retrograde
Vesta in 3'01 Aquarius
Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio retrograde
Black Moon in 5'43 Scorpio retrograde
My Healer Friend's:
Moon is in 2'25 Scorpio
Venus in 2'36 Taurus
Ray
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Christine
Kaxanova Zakomo <kaxa...@sdf.lonestar.org> schreef in berichtnieuws
a30c0b10.02101...@posting.google.com...[..]
> > I remember the wonderment I experienced about where the inner pain
induced
> > by others regarding my 'imperfect body'
>
>
> That might be the point. The two cases above may show early events
> connected with the physical body. The daily default mind is installed
> for good at the age of three. Until then we have our true mind (the
> original Self). The first shock of using a foreign mind forced on us
> and absolutely boring (this wrongly called 'education') must be a shock.
>
Saturn's conditioning taking over from the natural instincts ?
> came from, and discovered Chiron was
> > in Virgo conjunct my Ascendant! And I have Mean Lilith conjunct both to
> > thank for getting rid of the false image I had created about myself :-))
>
> But the ascendant is the false image? ;)
Are you saying the Ascendant *is* the false image, or asking "Is the
Ascendant the false image?" :-)
> > Regards.
> > Christine.
>
Michael
says...
Better not piss you off! :D
>
>-Michelle
>
06.03.1966 Quaoar 26 li 21 2°24' 43.802494627
Mine is conjunct my Moon and Regulus (2nd H) and 150 degrees to my Mars (9th H)
Michael
Empedocles
1) I would urge anyone attempting to delineate the meaning of Quaoar in a
birthchirt not to necessarily get all hung up on the myth of who/what the
body was named after. The story of the god Uranus doesn't seem to have much
if any connection to its astrological functions... not like Venus or Mars,
for example. *Observe* and delineate, don't *guess* at it.
And I would warn one and all that I am speaking as a total asteroid skeptic,
BTW.
2) Does this mean "Quaoar" is now a legitimate Scrabble word? Finally, a new
way to get rid of that pesky "Q"! :)
3) And finally, some more real-life science news that goes to show you that
a lot of science fiction writers (and George Lucas) knew something the
labcoat crew didn't figure out until recently:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992909
"Alois Treindl" <al...@astro.ch> wrote in message
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Michael
Woops misread the letters - 26 Libra so only it sextiles.
Anyway, it would be conjunct Spica for me in Los Angeles. and would reside in my
4th house.
Quaoar rise NATAL or “ PROGRESSED”
I will track the events as we as my normal progressed movements and log in what
happens. This should be interesting?
This new object may have a “power” to it and the four major points, 1,10,7,4 may
set off its effectiveness. So I will be watching.
Michael
Chris Mitchell
message ID <IEjp9.487864$v53.20...@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>
>Quaoar Their only god who "came down from heaven; and, after reducing chaos
>to order, out the world on the back of seven giants. He then created the
>lower animals," and then mankind. Los Angeles County Indians, California.
>
>is there anything else? any observations on the energies?
>
Anything else?? Come on Chelsea - reducing chaos to order then
creating animals and mankind isn't bad going! ;-)
Maybe the "chaos to order" bit gives it something of a Virgo flavour?
Chris.
Christine
Empedocles <emped...@paratwa.net> schreef in berichtnieuws
YNpp9.509345$Ag2.19...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> Three things: one one topic, the other two completely off:
>
> 1) I would urge anyone attempting to delineate the meaning of Quaoar in a
> birthchirt not to necessarily get all hung up on the myth of who/what the
> body was named after. The story of the god Uranus doesn't seem to have
much
> if any connection to its astrological functions
Really? Wasn't Uranus castrated by his son, Chronus? IMHO this gave him the
inability to be personally attached by human emotions of feeling, OR the
ability to become personally DEtached from human emotions of feeling.
He could then be completely objective, using his mind instead of his
........! :-)
No more problems raising children to worry about; he can become the ultimate
of freedom of expression.
... not like Venus or Mars,
> for example. *Observe* and delineate, don't *guess* at it.
>
> And I would warn one and all that I am speaking as a total asteroid
skeptic,
> BTW.
>
> 2) Does this mean "Quaoar" is now a legitimate Scrabble word? Finally, a
new
> way to get rid of that pesky "Q"! :)
No! Words with capital letters are not allowed, sorry !
> 3) And finally, some more real-life science news that goes to show you
that
> a lot of science fiction writers (and George Lucas) knew something the
> labcoat crew didn't figure out until recently:
>
> http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992909
>
>
Christine.
Kaxanova Zakomo
are usually posted here: http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/2003/tno/quaoar/
Cruithne sweeps Ixion Quaoar and Pluto towards Xmass, too. Check for updates
on daily basis as new material is being simscanned.
Provisory delineation:
http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/2003/tno/quaoar/quaoar.delineation.txt
Kaxanova Zakomo
Chelsea Polk
chaos
> >to order, out the world on the back of seven giants. He then created the
> >lower animals," and then mankind. Los Angeles County Indians, California.
> >
> >is there anything else? any observations on the energies?
> >
> Anything else?? Come on Chelsea - reducing chaos to order then
> creating animals and mankind isn't bad going! ;-)
well yeah, okay - but I was looking for more of the story of the creation.
Like say, the story of Raven and the first men, or something along those
lines - a longer story, if you will, something to give me a picture of
Quaoar's character, if you will.
> Maybe the "chaos to order" bit gives it something of a Virgo flavour?
I can't really make much of an observation, seeing as I've got only one
example of a transit to the natal point. Fortunately, it's fairly well
detailed! I figured that since "my" Quaoar is unaspected that any transits
to the point would only be influenced by the sign, house, and planet making
the transit. I was fortunate in that I could recall fairly significant
events that coincided with the applying, exact, and seperating orbs - and
we'll just have to see what other people report to see if there's a theme.
my very preliminary observation was that I was indeed "putting things in
order." I had something new coming in - a new place to live - and something
old going out - and it was very satisfying to call that evil harridan a
reptile, I'm telling you. But that's based on only one transit.
Kaxanova Zakomo
Kaos love. In the first yinyang times there is one partner only.
Quaoar thus is the patron of the first and true love. Tiamat will
break in two and triengles will tempt. True love resists all temptation
and awaits for marriage.
When marriage is understood as gravitation, we have a wonderful creation
story worth sitchinian paradises.
>>
From the upcoming update of Queaor delineation.
(C) 2002 Klaudio Zic, All Rights Reserved
doovinator
I've got Quaoar at 20 Cancer 52...
I wonder what all this means...
-Michelle
It means you need to contact Guinness, because you've set the world
record for the oldest person who has ever lived!
ÐJ
Mr. Doobie
<snippage>
This is totally out of the blue, but based on conjunctions with proper
planets in my own chart and a friend's chart, I came up with the idea that
Quaoar might be about AFFLICTION or HANDICAP.
--
MR. DOOBIE
Sun in Taurus
Moon in Pisces
Cancer Rising
Mr. Doobie
ZeroZero <Zero...@pcworks.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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<snippage for spacage>
> Chiron still seems to evade me when I try and pin down a
> meaning or archetype for it, but I do see it as a potential twin ruler
> for the sign of virgo with a meaning that overlaps with uranus and
> saturn to some extent.
The problem with Chiron is that there are at least five of those icy rocks
known as "centaurs" comparable in size to Chiron in between the orbits of
Saturn and Uranus. If the people who are into centaurs can pin down a
meaning and symbolism for each of these larger centaurs, then fine. Until
then, I tend to look at them as astro-white noise.
Michael
>
>
><snippage>
>
>This is totally out of the blue, but based on conjunctions with proper
>planets in my own chart and a friend's chart, I came up with the idea that
>'Quaoar' might be about AFFLICTION or HANDICAP.
More tests on Mundane things could be useful!
to test your hypothesis, lets say, look where the 'Rock' lays in charts of
War[s], or, countries and cities that had disasters like earthquakes ( For
Examples)
HANDICAP is sometimes applied to Chiron, although this is not my personal
belief.
Michael
>--
>MR. DOOBIE
>Sun in Taurus
>Moon in Pisces
>Cancer Rising
>
>
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Michael
>. Chiron still seems to evade me when I try and pin down a
>meaning or archetype for it
>Linden
It's quite easy. Read all about how he (Chiron) an Hercules were buddies on and
off the battle field and how he was abandoned by his mother and instead of
becoming like most trouble children he became to smartest of the (Greek) gods.
In fact, he taught then everything from Astrology to meanings of words. He was
wounded in the foot by a poison arrow that he was handing Hercules on the battle
field. Since he was a immortal like his ancestry, he could not die, yet he had
to live in pain eternally. This is where you get the phrase, "You learn allot
through pain."
There is allot more, read about him in Greek Mythology!
He is a healer and teacher, yet wounded [handicap] and abandoned.
Example, 1960s, Chiron was in the water sign of Pisces and many " Flower
Children" rebelled against their parents' way of things. Allot of babies out of
wedlock was a result ( Greek Abandonment ),plus, during 2 1/2 years around
1965-66 time, Saturn and Chiron joined together and many father figures abandon
their children...
Michael
Chris Mitchell
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>On the issue of asteroids and objects, there are already loads that I
>haven't been able to incorporate: Ceres, Pallas Athena, Juno, Vesta
>amongst others.
I use Juno now, because it helped to bring everything into focus in my
chart; same with Chiron.
Suffice it to say, I find relationships a difficult area. Now, that
may well be down to the fact that I have in my chart:
a. Pluto Asc opposite Venus in the 7th
b. Sun quincunx Ascendant, Sun quincunx Moon
(Sun 8th house Pisces, Venus 7th Aquarius, Moon 3rd Libra)
Venus is trine Moon, which should be a positive influence in
relationships. Sun is opposite my Node.
Now - let's add Chiron and Juno:
c. Chiron very closely conjunct Venus.
d. Juno is the apex of a T-square, squaring both my Sun (Pisces) and
Node (Virgo).
e. Juno (late Sag) conjunct Jupiter (in Capricorn)
So now I have an interpretation that makes much more sense to me: my
Venus is wounded (Venus conjunct Chiron), so the Pluto opposition
makes me controlling in relationships, and I project out the "wounded"
martyr. Even the trine to Moon makes more sense - Moon trine Chiron
shows easily hurt feelings.
Juno (to do with relationships) is the thing that seems to put me back
to square one in my lessons in life (Sun on nodal axis) - the T-square
with the nodal axis. Not sure if the conjunction (its fairly wide at
seven degrees) with Jupiter shows up, but could be that I'd always
seen relationships as so important that I become obsessive (Jupiter in
its fall, and of course the Ascendant Pluto).
> Then we have the fixed stars which I have tried
>to incorporate but found impossible (mostly due to difficulty with
>astrolog),
Have you tried Astrolog 5.41G - the version modified by Valja? It uses
fixed stars more sensibly than the original, and allows you to
configure it so it only shows fixed stars with close aspects to natal
planets (instead of a list of dozens of fixed stars that you then
can't scroll down to see!)
I don't use fixed stars much at the moment, but it looks like a nice
feature in the new Astrolog.
Chris Mitchell
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There are meanings assigned to the major centaurs, although this is
based on mythological symbolism. Roy Mackinnon at the Bristol School
of Astrology is very active in centaur research (there's a Yahoo group
for it somewhere), and has written some articles on them. They can be
found at the school's website at
www.bristolschoolofastrology.freeserve.co.uk - just click on the
"Articles" link, and there are several articles about the major
centaurs.
Chris.
P.S. Can I do a quick plug for the school? If anyone in the Bristol
(England) area is interested in learning astrology, it's not too late
to sign up for our new courses! <end of plug>
Roberta Davies
[interesting stuff snipped]
> So, when does a planet start to influence human lifes ?
>
> Here are some principal variants, starting with the most
> conservative one:
>
> a) After it got its official name
> b) After its discovery
> c) After it would have been possible in principle to discover it,
> either because it was on more than one photographic plate
> (so that its movement could have been detected in principle)
> or after its orbit could be predicted from deviations in
> the orbits of existing planets. (Neptune, for example, appears
> to have been sighted already in 1612 by Galilei who was
> observing Jupiter's moons at a time when Jupiter was in
> conjunction with Neptune (Drake+Kowal, Sci Am 243, 1980);
> that was more than 200 years before the official discovery
> of Neptune in 1846 and only shortly after the invention
> of the telescope).
> d) Always (independently of the discovery)
>
> This is difficult to decide for sure without exact scientific
> methods available to astrology yet, but it appears that a) and b)
> can probably be excluded due to the history of discoveries of
> previous planets and other objects.
>
> If d) is correct, chosing the "right name" is something that has
> probably relatively little influence on what the planet will
> astrologically influence. However, if c) is correct, the human
> choice of the name is probably important, at least in the sense
> of a *collective* human decision.
>
> So, in the latter case, a name should not be chosen lightly, or
> at least not be accepted lightly, except if the object is of
> minor importance. Of course, that process does not necessarily
> have to be conscious to individuals.
I've heard an interesting theory that relates the discovery of planets
to the need for people to know them at the time.
Basically, in ancient times life was fairly straightforward, and the
seven known planets (counting Sun and Moon, of course) deal with the
basic and straightforward aspects of life that would have been important
to people then.
The discovery of Uranus in 1781 coincided with sweeping revolutions,
both political (American, French) and societal (Industrial), and with
sudden great leaps of science and technology. Human thought and culture
were breaking free from traditional constraints.
Neptune was discovered in 1846, when there was a great deal of interest
in the subconscious mind, dreams, and hypnosis. There was also the
introduction of anasthetics and new types of narcotic drug, and a great
deal of opiate abuse. People were interested in idealism, humility, and
the founding of large institutions.
Pluto was discovered in 1930, at a time of intense organised criminal
activity, lawlessness, and social upheaval. The world economy was
collapsing. There had been one world war, but there was still a great
deal of tension that was yet to be purged in the second and bigger one.
There was also a revival of great interest in the occult, especially as
related to Egyptian mummies.
Uranus can be thought of as an ultra-Mercury, Neptune as an ultra-Venus,
and Pluto as an ultra-Mars. This practically screams the question: are
there still an ultra-Jupiter and an ultra-Saturn out there, waiting for
the human race to develop a need to know?
Robbie
Roberta Davies
>
> Three things: one one topic, the other two completely off:
>
> 1) I would urge anyone attempting to delineate the meaning of Quaoar in a
> birthchirt not to necessarily get all hung up on the myth of who/what the
> body was named after. The story of the god Uranus doesn't seem to have much
> if any connection to its astrological functions... not like Venus or Mars,
> for example. *Observe* and delineate, don't *guess* at it.
>
> And I would warn one and all that I am speaking as a total asteroid skeptic,
> BTW.
I've got a few books that relate the modern planets' names fairly well
to their astrological meanings:
Uranus, the sky god who fathered the twelve Titans, the original
creative power of the universe. He and his children hated each other,
until one of them (Saturn) castrated him and so robbed him of his
power. This suggests (to the author, at least) man's fall from Eden.
Man arrogantly buried himself in material things until the dawning of
the Aquarian age, in which spiritual matters once more awoke.
The author also points out that, alone among the planetary gods, Uranus
does not have many counterparts in other mythologies, suggesting that it
is a "mysterious, other-worldly" influence of a sort not readily
recognised by ancient cultures - and thus they didn't know or need to
know about the planet (see my other posting above in this thread).
Neptune, as god of the sea, has clear links with the strange currents of
the subconscious mind, hidden depths, weird unknown things, lostness and
lack of landmarks, and dissolving.
Pluto of course is god of the underworld, and so is related to death
(and thus with rebirth, regeneration, and sex), the occult, violence,
mourning, and desolation.
Robbie
PS - I'm also not really interested, astrologically speaking, in
asteroids and other minor bodies. I have enough trouble with the major
ones... Astronomically speaking, the discovery of Quaoar is very
interesting indeed.
Zeph
<nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
> >. Chiron still seems to evade me when I try and pin down a
> >meaning or archetype for it
>
> >Linden
>
>
> It's quite easy. Read all about how he (Chiron) an Hercules were buddies on
> and
> off the battle field and how he was abandoned by his mother and instead of
> becoming like most trouble children he became to smartest of the (Greek) gods.
> In fact, he taught then everything from Astrology to meanings of words. He was
> wounded in the foot by a poison arrow that he was handing Hercules on the
> battle
> field. Since he was a immortal like his ancestry, he could not die, yet he had
> to live in pain eternally. This is where you get the phrase, "You learn allot
> through pain."
Wait a minute, let me make sure I understand this. Are you suggesting
that the significance of this rock can be clearly gleaned from its
name?
The discoverer of this tiny body, Charles Kowal, proposed the name
because the object exhibits properties of both asteroids and comets,
just as a centaur (which Chiron was in mythology) exhibits properties
of both humans and horses.
The question then: Did Charles Kowal have some kind of instinctive or
intuitive draw to this name, because he knew subliminally that the
object had a relevant astrological significance? I rather doubt it,
but perhaps you could elucidate on the subject, since that's what you
seem to be suggesting, and I'm open to new and far-fetched ideas.
z
Empedocles
Empedocles
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there can show me otherwise, I'd love to hear from you) that passes what I
call The Ascendant Test. In other words, if you have a group of ten people
with relatively similar birthcharts, and one of them has Saturn or Mars or
Neptune or Moon closely conjunct the Ascendant, you can tell which one it is
just by looking at them. I know... I was born right at moonrise, in Cancer,
and I still can't lose that vaguely-pregnant look. Not pretty on a
36-year-old male, let me tell you. :)
Now: can anyone here *really* give me a description of what someone looks
like, or how they move, based on Ceres or Vesta or Chiron or Ixion or one of
the three Liliths or Quaoar or Roddenberry or any other bit of astro-gravel
being on their ascendant?
Empedocles
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events to the discovery of each outer planet... whereas it seems that the
'roids and Chiron get pegged with *psychological* meanings. Until someone
comes up with reliable, observable rulerships for the 'roids, I'll take a
pass.
Then again, maybe Quaoar is the ruler of stem-cell research, or human
cloning, or random sniper killings. :)
Chris Mitchell
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>
>
>Now: can anyone here *really* give me a description of what someone looks
>like, or how they move, based on Ceres or Vesta or Chiron or Ixion or one of
>the three Liliths or Quaoar or Roddenberry or any other bit of astro-gravel
>being on their ascendant?
>
Well, the Chiron ascendant guy is the one with all the scars on his
face...
Seriously, though, I know what Chiron on the DESCENDANT *feels* like!
Chris.
Mr. Doobie
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> More tests on Mundane things could be useful!
> to test your hypothesis, lets say, look where the 'Rock' lays in charts of
> War[s], or, countries and cities that had disasters like earthquakes ( For
> Examples)
> HANDICAP is sometimes applied to Chiron, although this is not my personal
> belief.
Well, since the "handicap" theme is already taken, maybe Quaoar is kind of
like Pluto and Chiron with the pain and suffering stuff, but instead of
having the capacity for healing like Pluto and Chiron, Quaoar is just the
mud and poopy you can't avoid and can't change, and just have to learn how
to live with. An on-line friend of mine and I are both of the opinion that
when Quaoar is finally astrologically deciphered, it will make Pluto look
like freakin' Venus by comparison!
Raymond
insights. Asteroids with certain names of people would be in
appropriate placements in my chart...The asteroid, Cynthia(my mother's
name) conjuncts my IC. The asteroid, Larry(my father's name) conjuncts
my midheaven. The asteroids, Lawrence and Davida conjunct with a 4
minute orb in my 4th house. David was my stepfather and Lawrence was
my father. They never knew each other. Very weird!.
Ray
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Empedocles
I understand the basic concept here -- having seen a few articles about the
OJ Simpson trial and the asteroid named Nicole, et cetera. But what I'd like
to know is: regardless of the various synchronicities such as happen in your
case (and I admit they're cool), can you (or anyone) really make any useful
predictions based on this? In other words, if your boss is named Onizuka,
and transiting Onizuka is squaring your Midheaven, will your boss fire
you... despite otherwise excellent work/career transits from the established
planets, progressions, and so on?
Having a look at Kepler's ephemeris of 1000 asteroids, I can spot a few
names that have been of considerable personal significance to me -- Anna,
Esther, Metcalfia, Murray, Regina -- that appear to do absolutely nothing in
my birth chart.
Then again, Deborah is exactly conjunct my Venus, which might explain a few
things. :)
Also, I can't help but think that with over 5000 named asteroids it's easy
to pick out one or two to justify any given event that happens... which of
course plays nicely into the hands of the skeptics. And do we really want to
fuel them any more than we do already?
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Chris Mitchell
Hi, Linden!
>
>Yep your chart sounds like it has difficult aspects. Sun opposite node,
>Pluto opposite Venus and Venus conjunct Chiron....a challenge. I have
>Chiron square my moon and north node, opposite Uranus so I should be
>able to feel Chirons energies myself but I'm still not sure about itn,
>maybe I should get a book about the centaur?
>
Chiron, The Healing Journey by Melanie Reinhart is excellent.
>
>Yeah I use the G version, and the Star feature seems quite advanced
>actually. The problem with interpreting the stars is that 1) there's so
>many of them, 2) the names and interpretations vary and very often the
>only information about their supposed effects is primary source material
>from thousands of years ago, 3) what about the precession of the starts?
>Did the effects that were noticed come from one particular spot of the
>Zodiac which just happened to be inhabited by a star, or is it the star
>itself? I've noticed a book called Brady's book of fixed stars down at a
>local bookshop - maybe I'll take a look at it next time with a list of
>stars in people's charts and see if it seems right.
I liked Bernadette Brady's book, though I don't use fixed stars much.
It's a very good point about precession - for instance, the four
"royal" stars seem to correlate to the four holy guardians - lion,
bull, man and eagle. These four are the four fixed signs (Lion=Leo,
Bull=Taurus, Man=Aquarius, Eagle=Scorpio) but the four stars have
shifted; Fomalhaut is now in Pisces, Antares in Sagittarius and
Aldebaran in Gemini. Even Regulus, still in Leo, will be moving into
the far less appropriate Virgo by 2012.