Chiron on the Ascendant
KathrynK
Does anyone have any experience or thoughts about how this would affect me?
Love
Kathxxxxx
Christine
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Hi Kath,
Chiron tends to be related to 'the wounding via relationships'. Harshy
aspected in the first house it could imply something in the personality or
physical appearance that is found by others not to be so agreeable about
you, even if you have the sweetest nature that wouldn't hurt a fly. You
might hear, "You are (not) so ....." or "Why do you do...." but it is
seldom implied in a complimentary way. This idea people have of you is
usually the result of an action and the effect that someone had on you but
for which you were not personally responsible. It may not even be a physical
wound you show but could just as well refer to incident(s) that caused an
inner psychic wound that cuts like a knife and hurts just as much as
anything physical would do.
Self infliction of pain by physical act or merely by the way one one tends
to act is possible with a 1st house Chiron.
The sign Chiron is in and the aspects it makes to other planets/points of
the horoscope chart will provide more details.
If you are one of the fortunate ones to have a well-aspected Chiron, you
have a very special personal ability/quality to heal others simply by being
who you are with no pretense about you. Those in physical or emotional pain
will be drawn to you and you can make them feel much better about themselves
by the simple action of a sunny nature, warm smile, few kind words of
understanding, or empathy with their situation.
Chiron is the 'bridge' between Saturn and Uranus. It is very often the
self-healing agent because it takes the lid off all those suppressed hurtful
issues that Saturn is inclined to hold on to, brings them into the open and
makes you look at their effect on you. Gradually, you are able to see
situations and events in another way, which leads to the enlightenment and a
change in the way you lead your life, offered by Uranus.
I have personally found that those who have physically and emotionally
suffered and were able to come to terms with this suffering, usually found
themselves understanding others' pain much better and wanted to use Chiron's
gift in some kind of healing manner themselves.
Hope this helps a bit.
Regards,
Christine.
(Chiron rising)
Victoria
lack of oxygen at birth. He also has often felt
that he has no place in the world.
Victoria
from beautiful El Granada
KathrynK
> Chiron is in and the aspects it makes to other planets/points of the
> horoscope chart will provide more details.
It is in Aries in the 1st, conjunct the south node and square Mars.
If anyone can do a speculative interpretation of this, I would love to have
it:)
Does anyone have any ideas for working with Chiron- chrystals, mantras etc?
Thanks for all your info Christine, it is very interesting, I would love it
if you could somehow interpret the aspectsx What aspects does your Chiron
have?
Love
Kathxxxxx
Christine
> The sign
>
> > Chiron is in and the aspects it makes to other planets/points of the
>
> > horoscope chart will provide more details.
>
> It is in Aries in the 1st, conjunct the south node and square Mars.
>
> If anyone can do a speculative interpretation of this, I would love to
have
> it:)
>
> Does anyone have any ideas for working with Chiron- chrystals, mantras
etc?
>
> Thanks for all your info Christine, it is very interesting, I would love
it
> if you could somehow interpret the aspectsx
Hi again Kath,
The info. may sound interesting but if it doesn't resonate with you, it may
not be of much help :-)
I got your birth details from another thread so was able to take a peek at
your chart.
As I don't know how well astrologically informed you are, I shall keep
things simple.
I use Placidus houses. There are, of course, a number of possible scenarios.
Ascendant and Chart ruler Mars is in the 10th house conjunct Mercury in
Capricorn. These two trine a 1st house Jupiter but square Chiron. Chiron
makes a quintile aspect to the moon, which is not considered a major aspect
in astrology but one I think to be of great importance in your case because
of the moon's placing in its own sign and house.
The idea that springs to mind with all this is of an above average
intelligent woman (ME-JU) with good, practical and financial instincts
(TAU-CAP), but who may experience difficulty making it in a man's idea of
the world (CAP 10th) simply because these qualities are regarded as
competitive (MA) by the very people with whom she associates on a personal
and business level, or an incapacitation may make physical work hard. It
would seem that she may have to fight for every inch of ground gained. Her
views are based on sound judgments according to her perception of the facts
and reality (Earth influence), as well as the inner feelings (Moon in
Cancer) that provide a strong imagination which enable her to visualise the
end result (4th house -beginning and end) of any taken action. It is in the
outer world experiences with people, higher commanding authorities, or 10th
house society on personal level that creates the inner pain (Chiron) because
she may not be accepted by them for the very qualities that should make her
noticeable. This could create an attitude of not being personally important
(1st house) to anyone, and people having no consideration of her personal
feelings when dealing with her (Moon in Cancer).
The fact that Moon makes a close quincunx to an 11th house Sun in Aquarius
might be indicative of someone who needs to learn to combine a vulnerable
emotional involvement with spiritual independence through detachment from
the force of feelings. The pain induced by the Moon memories needs to be
challenged, and experienced in alternative ways (MO-UR) that will free the
pain and allow it to die (Chiron). The self-healing that takes place
provides a release of energy that will work on a level above that of the
physical and practical to which she was accustomed to viewing reality.
I would think that you are already undergoing this process. Tr. Neptune has
been hovering around your Sun-Saturn for the last year and is in the last
phase of completing its effects. Transit Saturn is hovering around your
Moon-IC. You are in the process of losing something from the past that is no
longer of personal importance for the future, in order that you can find the
quality within yourself that is.
With these transits also effecting your 6th house Pluto, has your health
been in question which, in itself, might be a result of circumstances that
occured end 2001 through 2002?
What aspects does your Chiron
> have?
>
12th house Chiron closely conjunct Virgo Ascendant on a grand trine with
ME-VE in Taurus 9th and Moon in Capricorn 5th, and close square to Uranus
conjunct MC in Gemini. PHEW! :-)
Regards,
Christine.
> Love
>
> Kathxxxxx
>
>
Christine
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How very, very sad Victoria. Is there an aspect to Mars involved?
Does he have aspects to Chiron that you consider he is able to manifest in
spite of his physical impairment?
Best regards,
Christine.
KathrynK
> With these transits also effecting your 6th house Pluto, has your health
> been in question which, in itself, might be a result of circumstances that
> occured end 2001 through 2002?
In October 2001 I had my first panic attack due to failing at teacher
training, ever since then I have suffered very badly with my mental health-
been in hospital 3 times in 18 months.
KathrynK
> intelligent woman (ME-JU)
That's true but then everyone likes to think they're clever;)
(Moon in
> Cancer) that provide a strong imagination
I do have a strong imagination but it tends to make me fear and worry.
inner pain (Chiron) because
> she may not be accepted by them for the very qualities that should make
her
> noticeable.
I certainly don't have any sort of job or 'career,' and whenever I try to
make one I quickly go insane-literally:)
Thanks Christine, that was very interestingx
Love
Kathxxxxx
Christine
> > The idea that springs to mind with all this is of an above average
> > intelligent woman (ME-JU)
>
> That's true but then everyone likes to think they're clever;)
>
Not me! I have an applying Mercury-Pluto square to contend with, which used
to act like " You VILL tink dis vay," or " I weel sey tiss on-ly varnce," a
la 'Allo 'Allo. Add a 9th house Sun applying square to a 12th house Jupiter
and the inferiority complex was complete :-))
> (Moon in
> > Cancer) that provide a strong imagination
>
> I do have a strong imagination but it tends to make me fear and worry.
>
Then 'Let the Sunshine In' of your Aquarian Sun, which allows alternative
views to change conditioned feelings.
> inner pain (Chiron) because
> > she may not be accepted by them for the very qualities that should make
> her
> > noticeable.
>
> I certainly don't have any sort of job or 'career,' and whenever I try to
> make one I quickly go insane-literally:)
Moon/Cancer/4th house would seem inclined to resemble the classic ' stay at
home-maker' tendancy. With Saturn conjunct Moon-MC, you may feel a sense of
guilt or concern regarding consequences if you DO work, based upon your own
childhood. It could induce the stay-put attitude rather than end it,
especially if an image of the effect on/of children plays a role .
>>With these transits also effecting your 6th house Pluto, has your health
> > been in question which, in itself, might be a result of circumstances
that
> > occured end 2001 through 2002?
>
> In October 2001 I had my first panic attack due to failing at teacher
> training,
Never heard of the saying, 'If at first you don't succeed, try, try again?
That would seem to be very suitable for someone with Capricorn on the MC and
Saturn in Leo.
>ever since then I have suffered very badly with my mental health-
> been in hospital 3 times in 18 months.
I'm very sorry to hear that. An adverse effect of tr.Neptune (intercepted
ruler 12th house of 'out of sight' institutions) over your Sun, ruler 6th
house of employment of /and health. At a quick count, the transit might have
included progr. Mercury as well (ruler 3rd - thought processes, and
intercepted 6th). The sense of ego and mind disintegration inherent in
Neptune (as a result of 'failure in the world') can cause chaos and havoc to
one's self image. I see you have a Sun-Neptune sextile though, which is
also effected by the long-term Neptune transit, and your natal Neptune in
Sagittarius receives only soft aspects. With a personal communication line
with the gods, maybe you need simply to reach out towards that 8th house
Neptune in Sagittarius miracle; faith in achieving your goals/ideals/dreams.
You have natal Mercury in Capricorn (conjunct Mars) providing a very strong
sense of physical reality and its consequences. Use it to focus and
strengthen your mind, so that its progressive passage through Aquarius will
not bring about mental stress, strain and tension rather than increase the
intuitive qualities already present in your Sun sign.
Astrologically speaking you are still a child, as you have not yet reached
the progr. Moon return followed by the Uranus trine and Saturn return. The
period between 28-30 yrs. old when everyone leaves childhood behind them
(including realisation that they're too old for disco's, A-team sports,
being baby-pampered, living at home etc., of the old days) and makes the
change to leading their own lives and taking full responsibility for their
actions as a fully-fledged adult. It can be scary if one has always drawn on
(parental/partner/substantial) support of some kind and needs to learn to do
away with the metaphorical crutches and stand on their own two feet
(coincidentally ruled by Saturn and Neptune !). But it also holds
tremendous possibilities towards, and advantages of personal growth,
.....including the freedom and independence to go ahead and do it, which
Aquarius resonates to, doesn't it ? :-)
Regards,
Christine.
vero123
I have Chiron conj. Asc. in Aries too, but in the 12th house (cusp in
Aquarius). It's, among other aspects, trine Mars in Sag. in the 8th.,
and widely opp. Uranus in the 6th. Until this thread was started, I
never realised that my Chiron was aspected, because astro.com doesn't
show the aspects to Chiron in their natal chart... I'd be interested
to have a few impressions on how this placement could affect me,
especially since I have had very recently some experiences that make
me think it has a prominent role for me. Is there any book on the
subject that can be recommended? Chiron is often left out in what I've
read until now (which is not much, I admit).
Thank you for any input.
Regards,
Véronique
Vero
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Just thinking, but having chiron there, can be like wearing a 'love me' sign on you.
You are impossible to hate (?). You don't have many pretenses,can't be fake,you
wear your emotions on your sleeves, expose your weaknesses, -and know that you
will be loved, warts and all. You can really take care of your loved ones, as a first
priority is to act authentic towards your own self and feelings, and trust yourself.
Chiron here kindof demands this of you, the profound person that you are?
Just fishin'
Vero (who's that vero 123 ??lol)
Christine
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> I have Chiron conj. Asc. in Aries too, but in the 12th house (cusp in
> Aquarius). It's, among other aspects, trine Mars in Sag. in the 8th.,
> and widely opp. Uranus in the 6th. Until this thread was started, I
> never realised that my Chiron was aspected, because astro.com doesn't
> show the aspects to Chiron in their natal chart... I'd be interested
> to have a few impressions on how this placement could affect me,
> especially since I have had very recently some experiences that make
> me think it has a prominent role for me.
Hi Veronique,
What orb are you speaking of when saying 'widely opposes' ? Does Uranus
aspect Mars, whereby it is or isn't included as working with the trine
configuration?
On an everyday level a 12th house Chiron could act in a very similar manner
to the personage of its mythological legend, with a person being drawn
towards the sacrifice and/or surrender of the personal energy in order to
help and/or save another. With its dispositor in the 8th house, the
association with life and death experiences would be very strong. Mars would
be willing to take chances, be prepared to take initiative and action, and
dare to go further or beyond (Sagittarius) where others fear to tread.
As true Arian energy acting on a 'spiritual' level, rather like the magician
of the Tarot who holds the secrets of life within his grasp, contact with
that 'not of this world' is highly possible and could very easily produce
shamanic or mediumistic qualities but which leave you totally drained
afterwards. Once again, Mars would be prepared to enter realms that others
fear.
If the 'among other aspects' include harsh or trying tendancies, you may be
on the receiving end of these qualities from others, i.e. they take chances
and make sacrifices to save you, depending upon whether you are active or
passive of nature.
Is there any book on the
> subject that can be recommended? Chiron is often left out in what I've
> read until now (which is not much, I admit).
Melanie Reinhart " Chiron - A Healing Journey". I never needed to read any
other :-)
Regards,
Christine.
Christine
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[..]
> Vero (who's that vero 123 ??lol)
It's the 'que?' and not 'ca' that makes all the difference :-))
Christine
Vero
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Just a little strange, I thought noone would be as weird as me calling myself
Vero.
:p
>
vero123
Thank you very much for your input!
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> > I have Chiron conj. Asc. in Aries too, but in the 12th house (cusp in
> > Aquarius). It's, among other aspects, trine Mars in Sag. in the 8th.,
> > and widely opp. Uranus in the 6th. Until this thread was started, I
> > never realised that my Chiron was aspected, because astro.com doesn't
> > show the aspects to Chiron in their natal chart... I'd be interested
> > to have a few impressions on how this placement could affect me,
> > especially since I have had very recently some experiences that make
> > me think it has a prominent role for me.
>
> Hi Veronique,
> What orb are you speaking of when saying 'widely opposes' ? Does Uranus
> aspect Mars, whereby it is or isn't included as working with the trine
> configuration?
There is no aspect between Mars and Uranus. The orb for the
Chiron/Uranus opp. is -6°27'
>
> On an everyday level a 12th house Chiron could act in a very similar manner
> to the personage of its mythological legend, with a person being drawn
> towards the sacrifice and/or surrender of the personal energy in order to
> help and/or save another. With its dispositor in the 8th house, the
> association with life and death experiences would be very strong. Mars would
> be willing to take chances, be prepared to take initiative and action, and
> dare to go further or beyond (Sagittarius) where others fear to tread.
> As true Arian energy acting on a 'spiritual' level, rather like the magician
> of the Tarot who holds the secrets of life within his grasp, contact with
> that 'not of this world' is highly possible and could very easily produce
> shamanic or mediumistic qualities but which leave you totally drained
> afterwards. Once again, Mars would be prepared to enter realms that others
> fear.
Interesting :-).
>
> If the 'among other aspects' include harsh or trying tendancies, you may be
> on the receiving end of these qualities from others, i.e. they take chances
> and make sacrifices to save you, depending upon whether you are active or
> passive of nature.
There are seven aspects in total, the Uranus opposition and a square
to the MC being the only hard ones.
>
> Is there any book on the
> > subject that can be recommended? Chiron is often left out in what I've
> > read until now (which is not much, I admit).
>
> Melanie Reinhart " Chiron - A Healing Journey". I never needed to read any
> other :-)
Good! I have seen this book at my local bookshop on saturday and
almost bought it. Now I won't hesitate.
Thank you again!
Regards,
Véronique
vero123
> "Christine" <a.h...@planet.nl> skrev i melding news:c6ii2u$4aa$1...@reader08.wxs.nl...
> >
> > "Vero" <vero...@frisurf.no> schreef in bericht
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> > [..]
> >
>
> Vero.
>
It's not weird, it's French :-). It's the very common nickname made in
France out of the very common first name Véronique. In Bavaria, they
make Vroni out of it, and that's something I find weird.
Regards,
Véronique
Christine
> >
> > If the 'among other aspects' include harsh or trying tendancies, you may
be
> > on the receiving end of these qualities from others, i.e. they take
chances
> > and make sacrifices to save you, depending upon whether you are active
or
> > passive of nature.
>
> There are seven aspects in total, the Uranus opposition and a square
> to the MC being the only hard ones.
>
That's a lot of aspects and if they are able to find a way out through
Chiron and the Aries Ascendant, you are gifted.
I also have 7, including those to Asc. and MC.
Uranus is now working its way through your 12th house. In Pisces your
antenna must be picking up vibratory signals galore, even if it may take
until the Uranus opposition to itself for you to truly trust and utilise
them.
Uranus makes its first opposition pass to my natal Chiron this time next
year, after squaring itself and crossing the Desc. Three passes within the
year. Uranus rules my 6th house.
Oh boy! :-)
> >
> > Is there any book on the
> > > subject that can be recommended? Chiron is often left out in what I've
> > > read until now (which is not much, I admit).
> >
> > Melanie Reinhart " Chiron - A Healing Journey". I never needed to read
any
> > other :-)
>
> Good! I have seen this book at my local bookshop on saturday and
> almost bought it. Now I won't hesitate.
>
Enjoy. And if I might make a suggestion; don't rush to the cook-book
explanations of your Chiron but read from page 1 to really get an
understanding of what Chiron means and why. It'll be worth it.
> Thank you again!
>
You're welcome.
> Regards,
>
Christine.
vero123
> "vero123" <ver...@gmx.net> schreef in bericht
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> >
> > Christine wrote> >
> > >
> > > If the 'among other aspects' include harsh or trying tendancies, you may
> be
> > > on the receiving end of these qualities from others, i.e. they take
> chances
> > > and make sacrifices to save you, depending upon whether you are active
> or
> > > passive of nature.
> >
> > There are seven aspects in total, the Uranus opposition and a square
> > to the MC being the only hard ones.
> >
>
> That's a lot of aspects and if they are able to find a way out through
> Chiron and the Aries Ascendant, you are gifted.
> I also have 7, including those to Asc. and MC.
> Uranus is now working its way through your 12th house. In Pisces your
> antenna must be picking up vibratory signals galore, even if it may take
> until the Uranus opposition to itself for you to truly trust and utilise
> them.
sextile nChiron and nNeptune which are the top of two kites. Had at
the same time tSun conjunct nChiron and tMoon conj. tMars conjunct
nMercury, part of the grand trine common to both kites a few weeks
ago, so the Uranus vibes are probably too weak for me to feel in
comparison... PHEW indeed! :-)
> Uranus makes its first opposition pass to my natal Chiron this time next
> year, after squaring itself and crossing the Desc. Three passes within the
> year. Uranus rules my 6th house.
> Oh boy! :-)
>
> > >
> > > Is there any book on the
> > > > subject that can be recommended? Chiron is often left out in what I've
> > > > read until now (which is not much, I admit).
> > >
> > > Melanie Reinhart " Chiron - A Healing Journey". I never needed to read
> any
> > > other :-)
> >
> > Good! I have seen this book at my local bookshop on saturday and
> > almost bought it. Now I won't hesitate.
> >
>
> Enjoy. And if I might make a suggestion; don't rush to the cook-book
> explanations of your Chiron but read from page 1 to really get an
> understanding of what Chiron means and why. It'll be worth it.
That's been a good - and necessary :-) - suggestion. Thank you.
Regards,
Véronique
Christine
> tChiron is now on my nMoon (and will be there for the next years!),
Are you speaking of secondary progression Chiron or solar Arc Chiron?
Transiting Chiron, even through retrograding, would only effect a planet for
a few months.
> sextile nChiron and nNeptune which are the top of two kites.
This would suggest that a change of feelings and/or family concerns might
not have been as painful as you first thought?
Had at
> the same time tSun conjunct nChiron and tMoon conj. tMars conjunct
> nMercury, part of the grand trine common to both kites a few weeks
> ago,
Just guessing, but this could imply a period in which your own views met
with some resistance? Heated words, slamming of proverbial doors to stress a
point?
so the Uranus vibes are probably too weak for me to feel in
> comparison... PHEW indeed! :-)
The eventual change of direction that will occur as a result of above,
perhaps ?
Regards,
Christine.
vero123
> "vero123" <ver...@gmx.net> schreef in bericht
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>
> > tChiron is now on my nMoon (and will be there for the next years!),
>
> Are you speaking of secondary progression Chiron or solar Arc Chiron?
> Transiting Chiron, even through retrograding, would only effect a planet for
> a few months.
Well, I was a bit generous with the orbs when I wrote that, but I will
have long times of transiting Chiron in conjunction with my Aquarius
moon (2°) until the end of 2006, if I can trust the Astrolog
animation. Chiron is not on my Moon yet.
>
> > sextile nChiron and nNeptune which are the top of two kites.
>
> This would suggest that a change of feelings and/or family concerns might
> not have been as painful as you first thought?
Yes. There are so many aspects involved that I don't know what did
what, but my first house nSaturn (sq. nMoon) has been like kicked out
of the picture. Everything has been easier, although more intense,
since. I hope it stays where it is now as long as possible :-).
>
> Had at
> > the same time tSun conjunct nChiron and tMoon conj. tMars conjunct
> > nMercury, part of the grand trine common to both kites a few weeks
> > ago,
>
> Just guessing, but this could imply a period in which your own views met
> with some resistance? Heated words, slamming of proverbial doors to stress a
> point?
I have abandoned my views on life and people in general - just that
:-) - and taken new ones in a very short time over this transit.
Although it's been very intense and very draining (and still is), it
has gone relatively smoothly.
>
> so the Uranus vibes are probably too weak for me to feel in
> > comparison... PHEW indeed! :-)
>
> The eventual change of direction that will occur as a result of above,
> perhaps ?
It would make sense.
Regards,
Véronique
Edmond Wollmann
> > > Christine wrote> >
Chiron is now transitting my Moon, trine my Sun, 3 hits on each. It
reflects the transition from one perspective to another.
> > Uranus makes its first opposition pass to my natal Chiron this time next
> > year, after squaring itself and crossing the Desc. Three passes within the
> > year. Uranus rules my 6th house.
> > Oh boy! :-)
> >
> > > >
> > > > Is there any book on the
> > > > > subject that can be recommended? Chiron is often left out in what I've
> > > > > read until now (which is not much, I admit).
> > > >
> > > > Melanie Reinhart " Chiron - A Healing Journey". I never needed to read
> > any
> > > > other :-)
> > >
> > > Good! I have seen this book at my local bookshop on saturday and
> > > almost bought it. Now I won't hesitate.
> > >
> >
> > Enjoy. And if I might make a suggestion; don't rush to the cook-book
> > explanations of your Chiron but read from page 1 to really get an
> > understanding of what Chiron means and why. It'll be worth it.
> That's been a good - and necessary :-) - suggestion. Thank you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Véronique
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The planets do not affect us, they reflect us, so if we caqnnot feel
aspects, it is because we are not intune with that idea or the issues
that the aspect was meant to trigger are already resolved.
> Chiron is now transitting my Moon, trine my Sun, 3 hits on each. It
> reflects the transition from one perspective to another.
And will be making a grand trine with Jupiter"in my second in August
from the 11th to 26th.
This will manifest.
If you can't find the truth where you are where else do you think you
will find it?" Buddha