Pluto Transits and Death
David Hecht
dealing with a stubborn pneumonia. Actually, now it is moving through.
Later next year it will sit for 4 months. This process is causing me to
wonder if every pluto aspect brings with it the possibility of death, to
one degree or another, whether it turns out more conceptual or actually
physical providing great insights about self, reality and others
according to how it resolves itself.
Is this the image that pluto brings with it, that of termination which
elicits the sorts of strengthy reactions which have such a telling
effect on our lives after and even during the transits? Is it a futile
thing to not use this focus to better understand things during these
transits?
Pluto is known to rule death and, when it makes a transit in the chart,
the reaper sticks his hand out and other things have to be put on hold
while you deal with it, providing an extreme impetus factor which we all
know such transits carry. Thus, to look death in the face, one way or
another and to accept this during any pluto transit could be a workable
metaphor which may augment dealing with these transits.
It could be something just taken away and having to deal with it, the
death of a prerogative or threat of same. If it is looked at as
something dying, threatening to die this may help the focus during these
times.
kjelleman
stuff hit my chart, and death indeed was breathing down my neck for the
whole period. But then this was tPluto in sixth house to nSun in
twelfth, so perhaps it would have played out very differently in, say,
houses five and eleven.
Anyhow, I certainly would advice anyone to take some extra care and see
to that they do not expose themselves to unnecessary dangers during a
Pluto transit.
/Kjell
chrissyb
A practical example, should it be of interest.
During the last few years my Sag. husband and I, being close in age,
are having to deal with transiting Pluto conjunct and inconjunct our
Suns, opposing our Saturns and, for extra measure, tr. Saturn conjunct
our Pluto's!
I am personally also caught up in the web of the transiting grand cross
in the fixed signs!
Death, in the form of elimination, has occured in the sense that a
particular way of life has ceased for both of us. My husband lived for
his work and his early retirement meant creating a totally new life for
his 4th house Sun-Saturn opposition !!! He now has a lot of freedom and
has begun to notice that there are birds, plants, trees, different
cloud patterns etc, all of which he enjoys talking to his
children/grandchildren about, for whom he never had time before because
his only interest revolved around his career. He's now reached the
point where he enjoys being at home and realises that had he insisted
upon continuing working after the re-organisation, the pressure would
have probably killed him.
OTOH, the peace, quiet and freedom I enjoyed has died to be replaced by
something for which I am still searching :-) But we're both still alive
!
We both have natal Pluto in Leo in the 11th house. Transit Saturn to
Pluto, however, has coincided with the sudden and unexpected *physical*
elimination, through death, of two friendly female acquaintances within
as many months, which has hit me particularly hard. The events have
made both of us become aware of our mortality, greying hair, skin
pigmentation, age, as well as that a particular 'era' is passing away
and dying. We are attending more funerals these days than
births/marriages. But we are both alive!
In your own case, Mars and the 6th house would bring work to mind
and/or your susceptibility towards dis-ease. Maybe you leave yourself
too open for invaders :-) In Pisces makes me think of being sucked/sunk
under by leaches/parasites who take the form of a bacterial infection
(Mars). So, any death at the doorstep experience could be a fore
warning (Sagittarius?) to 'kill' a particular facet of your life that
has to do with the 6th house and Mars. Maybe, like my husband and I,
you have a stubborn side and letting go to allow the creation of
something totally new does not come easy. So Pluto (in you) creates an
event that immobilises (3rd house?) you and forces you to change your
ideas, by providing the opportunity to spend a lot of time in thought
(3rd house) regarding the consequences of your actions(Mars).
Hopefully, the 4 month sit next year will see you sitting pretty :-)
Kind regards,
Christine.
lena.f...@gmail.com
accident during tr. Pluto square n. Mars transit (her car was a total
wreck and she suffered from the physical trauma for at least a month).
Her Mars is in Virgo house 6 and Pluto was in house 8, which is a house
of extreme situations.
I also think you should be extra careful, since Mars rules one's
physical energy and hard aspects to Mars could affect one's physical
condition, like making him/her more vulnerable to traumas.
Good luck!
Lena.
tomastrologer
a chart.(i'm a astrologer)
i think when it comes to looking at ones death aspects in the natal
chart,it really boils down to what one has in the natal 8 th house,
the ruler of the 8 th house, and all aspects to those points.pluto by
itself ,of course is an energy that pertains to transformation,the
power of inner conflict that needs transforming, etc.but i think, by
itself doesnt necessarily represent death or risk of death. if a
person has mercury in the 8 th house,mercury would be descriptive of
the nature of the persons death.in some way. lets say,afflicted by
uranus in the natal chart, might suggest death by accident.if the 6 th
house is involved and the person has heart disease, might indicate
death by stroke. this sort of thing.so i think you would want to look
at your 8 th house(natal) and all aspects to it.and unless pluto was
the ruler of the 8 th in your chart,and or heavily afflicting your 8 th
house planets or the 8 th house ruler, i would suggest that pluto may
not necessarily be involved in death risk at all. horoscope analysis
is so complicated,and especially when studying the issues about death
and health. if i had your chart to look at i could say more. best
wishes. thomas
Dan Barkye
"David Hecht" <contem...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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-- I do have for the longest period (Plu, right?) an op to Mo from said
culprit, and as you can understand it's to Mo in (21 deg) Gem and, no
less, in 9th, so I find it hard w whatever it means in communications.
On the other hand, in 2002 Jan, it transited my PoF and Rigel (success
by determination and persistence in goal) in same Gem (16) and 9th. At
this time, a gate had opened for me, enabling a totally new, and good,
life in many aspects, involving, of course, the "abroad" (Sag, 9th) and
many official (Sag) papers (Gem).
BUT, death in no way was on the agenda, not breathing on my neck, and
not on my face either -)
Dan
Jyeshta
Hi Dave,
I'm so sorry to hear this - I wish you a full and speedy recovery. I
am getting Pluto conjunct my Ascendant very soon, and although I am
already anticipating some of the likely manifestations of that, I
really can't know all that it will mean.
Warm regards,
Gail
chrissyb
-- I do have for the longest period (Plu, right?) an op to Mo from said
culprit, and as you can understand it's to Mo in (21 deg) Gem and, no
less, in 9th, so I find it hard w whatever it means in communications.
Hi Dan,
The 21st degree of the signs is now clear of the danger zone unless a
planet there makes an aspect with another planet in the final decanate
of its sign :-)
The Pluto transit of the 21st degree didn't become exact until begin
2004.( My husband retired end 2003!)
It opposed your 9th house Moon, with rulerships over the 2nd and 10th
houses.
And tr. Saturn has also cojoined your 10th house Pluto.
Can you tell us if anything occured that coincided with the symbolism?
Regards,
Christine
Dan Barkye
"chrissyb" <a.h...@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:1135290618.6...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Dan wrote:
>
> -- I do have for the longest period (Plu, right?) an op to Mo from
> said
>
> culprit, and as you can understand it's to Mo in (21 deg) Gem and, no
> less, in 9th, so I find it hard w whatever it means in communications.
>
> Hi Dan,
> The 21st degree of the signs is now clear of the danger zone unless a
> planet there makes an aspect with another planet in the final decanate
> of its sign :-)
>
> The Pluto transit of the 21st degree didn't become exact until begin
> 2004.( My husband retired end 2003!)
-- As for the Plu op Mo in 21 Gem 13, w a 1 deg orb, which is the
standard, it started in 21 Dec 03 (21 Sag 12) and ended in 9 July 04;
then, it resumed its dir of this asp in 20 Oct 04 and ended in 18 Dec
04; it touched the pt again in 24 July 05 and ended it in 10 Oct 05, all
in a dir and Rx of an on and off pattern (source: The American Eph's,
Pottinger), so it was a long period of time, I think.
> It opposed your 9th house Moon, with rulerships over the 2nd and 10th
> houses.
> (I moved this sentence to here, so as to make sense of my re's) Can
> you tell us if anything occured that coincided with the symbolism?
-- True, financial matters took the foreground, but not something that I
didn't experienced before, I mean worth of writing home about it, and
not of permanence. Also, bear in mind that w Ven as chief dispositor in
Sco/2, I have a strong perception of material assets. What one would
think material, another would spiritual.
> And tr. Saturn has also cojoined your 10th house Pluto.
-- I didn't hit the lottery, nor the gold pot, nor was I elected
President of Israel, hahaha, but there's still time, right?
Dan
>
> Regards,
> Christine
>
Jyeshta
>"chrissyb" <a.h...@planet.nl> wrote in message
>news:1135290618.6...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> And tr. Saturn has also cojoined your 10th house Pluto.
I'm so sorry, but this has been niggling at me forever; the word is
"conjoined", with an "n".
chrissyb
> It opposed your 9th house Moon, with rulerships over the 2nd and 10th
> houses.
> (I moved this sentence to here, so as to make sense of my re's) Can
> you tell us if anything occured that coincided with the symbolism?
-- True, financial matters took the foreground, but not something that
I
didn't experienced before, I mean worth of writing home about it, and
not of permanence. Also, bear in mind that w Ven as chief dispositor in
Sco/2, I have a strong perception of material assets. What one would
think material, another would spiritual.
Hi Dan,
So you have definitely gone for the earlier birth time have you ? (I
still have your data putting Venus in 1st). Sad; My Venus is no longer
exact conjunct your vertex...or was that reason enough to alter the
birth time, hehehehe? :-))
Did the financial matters refer to 3rd/9th house events? I mean there
*is* a difference between betting on the ponies, helping out a friend,
moving house, and/or money received/lost from (foreign) investments
:-)
I've just remembered you were busy with having your work published.
Does that figure in the scheme of things of the transiting opposition?
Regards,
Christine.
chrissyb
I'll try to remember in future.
( Got a touch of Virgo in you, have you? :-) )
Regards,
Christine.
chrissyb
Hi Christine,
Maybe "magically" for you. :-) Pluto's reach during transits far
exceeds a
few degrees. Especially when the lights are involved. Transits don't
just
"turn off and on" for people, especially Pluto transits. I realize some
people may find it easier to pretend a Pluto transit is over but as the
saying goes, "You can run but you cannot hide."
> The Pluto transit of the 21st degree didn't become exact until begin
> 2004.( My husband retired end 2003!)
It doesn't matter if the transit is exact or not--applying or
departing.
Events will still take place and you can't pretend they aren't
happening
just so they don't conflict with your personal feelings about "exact"
orb.
Allow charts to breathe like a fine wine , because no two people have
the
same orb of influence anyway.
The same goes for midpoints!
I remember when Tr. Pluto squared my Sun and the heat was still on at 6
degrees of separation. That was no shocker to me at all.
H
Hi H,
I wasn't implying that Pluto only works at exactitude to a planet, but
I do believe that that is basically when the crunch comes of the
preceding build up to it. Retrogade movement can make it a long drawn
out effect, especially with those dramatic 5 time passes. But I also
believe that there is a time when 'acceptance', if one can call it
that, of the permanent change that the event/encounter/experience
brings, lessens Pluto's effects as its work is done and the transit
moves out of orb.
However, if, like in my husband's and my own chart, the transit still
has not finished with the complete natal aspect (Saturn on 23* and
25*), its effect can go on for years.
E.g. What do you tell someone who has tr. Pluto trine natal Venus, who
has fallen passionately in love, but the square to Uranus or Neptune is
not effective for another 5 years? Go ahead and enjoy the moment,
marry him/her, but be prepared that it won't last ?
Best regards,
Christine.
Jyeshta
wrote:
>In American ? :-))
In English in general, I think.
>I'll try to remember in future.
>( Got a touch of Virgo in you, have you? :-) )
Mercury and Pluto, "cojoined" in Virgo. :-)
>Regards,
>Christine.
Dan Barkye
>
>> It opposed your 9th house Moon, with rulerships over the 2nd and 10th
>> houses.
>> (I moved this sentence to here, so as to make sense of my re's) Can
>> you tell us if anything occured that coincided with the symbolism?
>
> -- True, financial matters took the foreground, but not something that
> I
> didn't experienced before, I mean worth of writing home about it, and
> not of permanence. Also, bear in mind that w Ven as chief dispositor
> in
>
> Sco/2, I have a strong perception of material assets. What one would
> think material, another would spiritual.
>
> Hi Dan,
> So you have definitely gone for the earlier birth time have you ?
-- Yeah, I didn't know what to do so I stuck w the old horse, the one I
know -)
>(I still have your data putting Venus in 1st). Sad; My Venus is no
>longer
> exact conjunct your vertex...or was that reason enough to alter the
> birth time, hehehehe? :-))
-- Yeah, sad, sad, sad, but you must tell me how!... Sometimes I need to
be fed w the big spoon -)
What is the meaning of "Your Venus [...] exact conjunct my vertex"?
> Did the financial matters refer to 3rd/9th house events? I mean there
> *is* a difference between betting on the ponies, helping out a friend,
> moving house, and/or money received/lost from (foreign) investments
> :-)
-- Well, it had to do w my personal assets having to be very closely
watched and at times late, but they were always in place when I needed
them.
BTW, when Sat turned dir in 20 Can, on 22 March, 05, I received a very
imp official paper, which was due, but I didn't know when it will come.
If you remember, when Sat turned dir in Gem, my 9, in 02, I came to the
States.
Looks like Sat has a very imp role in my chart, one which I didn't
discern yet.
> I've just remembered you were busy with having your work published.
> Does that figure in the scheme of things of the transiting opposition?
-- DEFINITELY!!! Five short stories sent to six very prestigious
publications were rejected, but in my defense as an aspiring writer you
have to know that it was the first time I had submitted my works of
prose and no sane and sober writer has much hope to be accepted,
certainly not on a first attempt and not in that league. If it happens,
then it's a true miracle, really a miracle. I know this from others'
experience from writing circles in which I participate. I'll keep
trying, though, cross my heart, scout word.
Dan
> Regards,
> Christine.
>
kjelleman
Pluto transit for the rest of your life?
/Kjell