The Quincunx in Synastry (was Psycho Test)
Kwaw
>I was just discussing the quincunx with my good friend, and we both agreed
that
>it's more important than it gets credit for. We noticed that quincunxes in
>synastry charts, especially when the aspects involve, say, Venus/Venus, or
>Venus/Mars, Moon/Mars, or Venus/ Mercury or /Sun can result in
sexual/romantic
>disinterest when other chart factors show real compatability between a
couple
>and no other reason for such lack of interest.
Spot on. While generally my view that as far as synastry goes the more
aspects the better, whether 'easy' or (preferably) 'hard', I consider the
quincunx to be an exception. It has the power to negate all other aspects,
as favourable and numerous as they may be.
>Even the Venus/Mars or Mars/Mars
>or Mars/Venus squares and oppositions are much better as far as romantic
>compatability is concerned than the quincunxes because, in the language of
>classical astrology, with a quincunx between these planets, they don't
"see"
>each other, and so do not relate at all.
I think of it this way, it is not that they don't 'see' each other, but
rather that what they see makes them sick! I call it the 'cringe factor'.
Many of us can probably bring to mind some celebrity whose fame we
completely fail to understand; a famous personality who, while everybody
else seems to adulate them we, to put it mildly, find them irritating. This
is how I believe the quincunx to operate in synastry.
The association of the quincunx with sickness (6th house) and death (8th
house) implies morbid connotations. And while the morbid can be
fascinating, the quincunx in synastry tends more to repulsion. It imparts a
vague, often undefinable awareness of something about a person that, in the
idiom of everyday language (and astrology) , "makes me feel sick" (6th
house), or "gives me the creeps" (8th house).
Sharyn0761
charts now and see how it works out. It makes sense in light of the 6th/8th
associations, and isn't something that occured to me independantly. I love ng's
like this for just this reason :-). Thanks for posting on it.
You know, I have a weird fascination with forensic science. I love to watch
cable shows about it like New Detectives and Medical Detectives and things like
that. I love Sherlock Holmes and all the straight detective/murder mystery
genre, too, but if it has forensic science in it, I'm doubly attracted. One of
my favorite books a few years back was Patricia Cornwell's "The Body Farm" (as
well as her other books about the fictional Virginia ME Dr. Kay Scarpetta).
LOL, I don't care what you all think, I've been called "the ghoul" since I was
little and loved to watch spooky stuff like Dark Shadows and Alfred Hitchcock
on TV, and later as I got a little older even stuff like "Quincy," as well as
Edgar Allen Poe, LoveCraft, Stephen King and work like that, so I'm used to it
<g>. I think one of my all time favorite books as a child (along with The
Hobbit) was Wuthering Heights, and it still is .
It isn't gore that attracts me, in fact, I hate slasher movies and all that;
it's more a fascination with the actual grave, with the creepyness of the fact
that dead bodies can speak to us about how they died. I always thought it must
be my Scorp Moon, but that doesn't really seem to adequately explain it. But
you know, Venus in Gemini rules my 8th, and Neptune/Jupiter rule my Pisces 6th.
Neptune conjoins my Scorp Moon in 1st, and Jupiter in Aquarius is in quincunx
from the 4th with my Uranus 11th Leo. So do you make anything of that in light
of your theory on the quincunx? Kind of interesting with Joop in the 4th, huh,
house of the grave <beg>.
<< Subject: The Quincunx in Synastry (was Psycho Test)
From: "Kwaw" kw...@mangans.clara.co.uk
Date: Fri, Jan 19, 2001 3:30 PM
Message-id: <OSX96.45584$0d.51...@nnrp4.clara.net>
>Sharyn (www.dreamwater.net/acarchives) wrote:
>>
Sharyn
aam FAQ site: http://www.dreamwater.net/acarchives
"Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
Lewis Carroll
tq
umg...@attglobal.net
Kwaw wrote:
> Spot on. While generally my view that as far as synastry goes the more
> aspects the better, whether 'easy' or (preferably) 'hard', I consider the
> quincunx to be an exception. It has the power to negate all other aspects,
> as favourable and numerous as they may be.
>
> I think of it this way, it is not that they don't 'see' each other, but
> rather that what they see makes them sick! I call it the 'cringe factor'.
> Many of us can probably bring to mind some celebrity whose fame we
> completely fail to understand; a famous personality who, while everybody
> else seems to adulate them we, to put it mildly, find them irritating. This
> is how I believe the quincunx to operate in synastry.
>
> The association of the quincunx with sickness (6th house) and death (8th
> house) implies morbid connotations. And while the morbid can be
> fascinating, the quincunx in synastry tends more to repulsion. It imparts a
> vague, often undefinable awareness of something about a person that, in the
> idiom of everyday language (and astrology) , "makes me feel sick" (6th
> house), or "gives me the creeps" (8th house).
>
> Kwaw
> kw...@mangans.clara.co.uk
I have a question for everybody about the quincunx aspect in general.
A quincunx aspect from a point in a chart is defined to be 150 degrees or 210
degrees from that point, with whatever orb one is working with. Has anyone seen
though, if the quincunx aspect is stronger on 140 degrees or 220 degrees from
the point (with orb being around these degrees)?
Thanks
EW
doovinator
This relates to a dynamic I've noticed with the aspect. I've often
commented that there's a one sided attraction working here, from what
would correlate to the sixth house side of the equation. The sign on the
ascendant is attracted to the sixth house sign, to the point of
"romantic illness" when the sixth-house sign fails to respond in kind.
The dynamic from the sixth-house sign, however, is eighth house, and so
is its "gives me the creeps" reaction to the "whining" of the first. Of
course, everyone has a sixth- and an eighth-house relation to someone,
making a nice little merry-go-round out of it!
DJ
Kwaw
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> A quincunx aspect from a point in a chart is defined to be 150 degrees or
210
> degrees from that point, with whatever orb one is working with. Has anyone
seen
> though, if the quincunx aspect is stronger on 140 degrees or 220 degrees
from
> the point (with orb being around these degrees)?
>
This would be closer to being a sesquiquadrate (135 degrees) than a
quincunx.
Kwaw
Kwaw
> A quincunx aspect from a point in a chart is defined to be 150 degrees or
210
> degrees from that point, with whatever orb one is working with. Has anyone
seen
> though, if the quincunx aspect is stronger on 140 degrees or 220 degrees
from
> the point (with orb being around these degrees)?
Or closer still to the biquintile (144) discovered by Kepler - traditionally
'helpfull' but weak. The sesquiquadrate (135) is one of the 'adverse'
aspects - I have not generally used it but Lyndoe says of it "...of unequal
quality but frequently found to be powerful." Those that use it generally
allow it a wider orb than the quincunx.
Kwaw
plus...@my-deja.com
"Kwaw" <kw...@mangans.clara.co.uk> wrote:
> >Sharyn (www.dreamwater.net/acarchives) wrote:
>
> >I was just discussing the quincunx with my good friend, and we both
agreed
> that
> >it's more important than it gets credit for. We noticed that
quincunxes in
> >synastry charts, especially when the aspects involve, say,
Venus/Venus, or
> >Venus/Mars, Moon/Mars, or Venus/ Mercury or /Sun can result in
> sexual/romantic
> >disinterest when other chart factors show real compatability between
a
> couple
> >and no other reason for such lack of interest.
>
> Spot on. While generally my view that as far as synastry goes the
more
> aspects the better, whether 'easy' or (preferably) 'hard', I consider
the
> quincunx to be an exception. It has the power to negate all other
aspects,
> as favourable and numerous as they may be.
I've experienced this. Mars was quincunx the other person's Moon
within one degree, and it went nowhere, to put it mildly, despite
several nice connections.
I have Mars quincunx Saturn natally, exact by degree. Saturn is in
Taurus in the 11th house and Mars is in Sag in the 5th. I have a lot
of conflict between yearning to be free and adventurous and finding
myself hampered by money worries and a fundamental conservatism that
takes a cold look at pleasure and fun and finds them empty and somewhat
idiotic. I also have incredible social anxiety, especially in Mardi
Gras-like crowds of people having 'fun' - I was in LA for New Year's
this year and at midnight a wave of sickness swept over me as everyone
let loose at once. Yet I'm also a big-time exhibitionist.
I also have Uranus Rx in Libra in the 4th quincunx Saturn and
sextile Mars with an orb of three degrees. Er, that would likely
correspond to occasional periods of homelessness I guess, often
following or concurrent with a passionate romance.
> >Even the Venus/Mars or Mars/Mars
> >or Mars/Venus squares and oppositions are much better as far as
romantic
> >compatability is concerned than the quincunxes because, in the
language of
> >classical astrology, with a quincunx between these planets, they
don't
> "see"
> >each other, and so do not relate at all.
>
> I think of it this way, it is not that they don't 'see' each other,
but
> rather that what they see makes them sick! I call it the 'cringe
factor'.
Agreed. And I have this response within myself to the public at
large, as befits a quincunx to an 11th-house Saturn.
> Many of us can probably bring to mind some celebrity whose fame we
> completely fail to understand; a famous personality who, while
everybody
> else seems to adulate them we, to put it mildly, find them
irritating. This
> is how I believe the quincunx to operate in synastry.
Hee. That would be Kim Basinger.
> The association of the quincunx with sickness (6th house) and death
(8th
> house) implies morbid connotations. And while the morbid can be
> fascinating, the quincunx in synastry tends more to repulsion. It
imparts a
> vague, often undefinable awareness of something about a person that,
in the
> idiom of everyday language (and astrology) , "makes me feel sick" (6th
> house), or "gives me the creeps" (8th house).
Well, speaking of the 8th house, I have the Sun in Aquarius in the
8th house quincunx Pluto Rx in the 3rd in Virgo, with a one-degree
orb. Doesn't this seem like a triple whammy? If ascendants were
allowed in yods, this would form a close yod to Cancer rising as
well.
Does anyone have any thoughts as to the best approach to
dealing with something like this? Does this aspect tend
toward any of the positive potentials of Pluto? My main
issue with this at the moment is feeling that I have occult
abilities that are insufficiently disciplined.
Layo
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Kwaw
I love the horror and forensic detective genres. I have umpteen short
stories and three unpublished (and unpublishable) novels of my own from the
days I had ambitions as a writer - all about some element of the
supernatural. Ann Rice, Dean Koontz, James Herbert, Graham Masterton - good
or bad I devour them all. Except that is for 'slasher' movies, don't do
anything for me at all, give me the likes of "The House on Haunted Hill",
"The Turn of the Screw" or "The Black Cat" any day.
Don't share your scorpio moon though. Do have Neptune in Scorpio in 8th
house trine Mars/Moon conjunction in Cancer 4th (part of a grant trine with
Mercury conjunct South Node in Pisces). Quincunx wise I have a Yod formation
with Sun/Aries/1 and Jupiter/Aquarius/11 quincunx Pluto/N.Node conjunction
in Virgo/6.
Pluto is opposite Mercury forming a 'kite' pattern with that grant trine in
water. Seems as the focal point of those Yod and Kite formations Pluto con
N.Node should be somehow important, but I haven't fathomed it out (yet).
Kwaw
Kwaw
Unrequited love is a miserable but fairly common experience - throw in a
quincunx or two and you can end up with a stalker/victim scenario.
Another way I've seen it operate is in a munchausen by proxy case - The
mother's Scorpio Saturn con MC being in quincunx to the son's Mars (ruler of
his ascendant and 6th).
A couple I know has the wife's Nepune quincunx the husbands Moon. She has
always been embarrassed by her husbands 'thick' family (as she calls them).
She hates being around them as they make her 'cringe'. He in his turn is
embarrassed by her drinking, which has got worse and worse as one by one the
children have left home. To a point to where it would be fair to say she is
now alcoholic. It is embarrassing being in their company nowadays as they
seem to be forever telling each other to 'shut up' and are constantly
irritated by one another.
Has anyone got any 'positives' to say about the quincunx? You see I have
this Sun/Aries and Jupiter/Aquarius quincunx Pluto Yod to work out??
Kwaw