The *Most Important* Synastric Aspect
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wide-open question)- but here goes anyway: If you had to select "one"
aspect that you would consider the most important and compatible between two
people, what would "it" be? I know that there is no uniformity of oppinion
amongst astrologers. For example, some say it is the conjunction of the Moon
and Venus. Some say it is 7th house aspects. Some say it is the conjunction
of the Sun and Moon. And others say it is the conjunction of the Sun and
Ascendent. And, still others will say it is the conjunction of the two
Moons. Of course, there are several other combinations, but I just wanted to
conduct this fun survey. Many thanks. Wayne A.
McGKar
ties were pretty important in synastry.
Karen
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McGKar <mcg...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Hi Karen, Admittedly, I'm not 100% sure what the "ideal" would be, but it
is fun to speculate. For myself, I've wondered what would be the dynamics if
each person was the inverse of the other. For example: The male's Moon was
conjunct the female's Sun, and the female's Moon was conjunct the male's
Sun. And for further interests, their Ascendants were opposite-(or the
same). What do you think, "Close Encounters of the Sixth Kind"?....or what?
:>)) Wayne A.
David Hecht
it, if you have "mars in Virgo in 12 square saturn", a "mars/venus
contact might not cut it. Overall, the old standby "sun/moon" connection
is probably hardest to beat.
Dave
mercury-17°
venus-20°
sun-35°
uranus-71°
saturn-96°
n.node/m.c.-102°
pluto-128°
jupiter-168°
chiron-177°
neptune-184°
asc.-190°
moon-199°
mars-355°
Haizen Paige
For fun, a few comments:
Really, without discussing aspects within a context, the above can only
be viewed as a hypothetical question because it's rare that one aspect
out of many is the determining factor to bring people together. Some
aspects are important for physical compatibility, others for mental or
emotional compatibility, etc. Some don't care much about compatibility
as long as the relationship supports them materially and
circumstantially -- the marriage of convenience, sometimes between
people of widely different ages.
The conjunction is the strongest aspect possible between two planets.
It's like two people riding together in an elevator. Where one goes, the
other will be -- for better or worse. They are always in each others
face, liking it or not.
Conjunctions in their (suggested) order of important:
Sun-Moon: the strongest, most basic joining of the masculine-feminine principle
Venus-Mars: strongest for instinctual and magnetic sexual attraction
Sun-Mars: also strong for physical attraction
Moon-Venus: strong domestic love bond
Moon-Mercury: strongest for telepathic communication
By house:
Sun, Moon, Venus or Mars in the other person's ascendant or descendent.
Sun or Moon are first in importance. The ascendant represents
circumstantial conditions, such a living or working together on a daily
basis. Sun or Moon to the other's ascendant is a strong tie along these lines.
The basic archetype tie is the Sun-Moon conjunction. I would consider it
the strongest for indicating a fundamental and instinctive understanding
of each other, whether for friendship or marriage. Every other aspect in
astrology is a variation on this basic theme of the masculine
(assertive) urge in one person balancing out the feminine (receptive)
urge in the other. This can be true of relationships in which there is a
reversal of roles, or same sex relationships.
There are successful relationships with none of the above ties in the
chart comparison. It depends upon the context of the relationship and
the relationship skills of each individual person as revealed by their
individual natal chart. Regardless of one's chart, everyone is
potentially compatible with everyone else, even if it's only for five
minutes (or less), depending on the context of that relationship. This
is why there are many examples of relationships that don't have the
classic astrological ties for compatibility but work to the benefit of
both people anyway.
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David Hecht <fau...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> I really think it depends upon the specific charts involved. Lets face
> it, if you have "mars in Virgo in 12 square saturn", a "mars/venus
> contact might not cut it. Overall, the old standby "sun/moon" connection
> is probably hardest to beat.
> Dave
Hi Dave, I agree, that you really do have to look at the individual
charts; to weigh the pros and cons of aspects, etc. I remember reading
Jung's study "Synchronicity". The most significant factor he found amongst
married couples was woman's Moon conjunct the man's Sun. This is opposite of
what I learned of traditional synastry; that the Moon in a man's chart
represents the type of female he would be attracted to. I would like to
take it a step further. I would like to see any real-life examples of where
the man's Moon is conjunct the woman's Sun, and the woman's Moon is cunjunct
the man's Sun. Personally, I think it would be awesome!!! Although, it might
scare the daylights out of each person; I don't think it would take to long
for them to figure out what's going on. Thanks Dave. Wayne A.
Peter Phoenix
As well as the traditional synastric linkages, Sun to Moon,
Moon to Moon, Venus to Mars, et al; I also work with
Midpoint contacts, chart to chart. A few years ago I did
A workshop on this, and as part of the research, I looked
at the charts of dozens of couples, and after a lot of sleepless
nights, burning the midnight oil I finally came up with what
I called a "Midpoint League Table". This was based on the most
frequently found midpoint contacts between the charts.
It didn't matter what planet in chart A was contacting the
midpoint in chart B, that just described the energy transfer
from person A to person B. My reasoning went like this:
Whenever transiting planet "A", for example, was hitting
my Sun/Moon midpoint, it had a definite effect on my life
for the period that it was in orb. People we come in contact
with are just like walking talking transits to our chart, so if
"A"s Jupiter is on my SO/MO, then I'm going to get a dose of Jupiter
whenever I'm in the presence of "A", which will affect me at the
level of "mind and soul", if you will.
I included the vertex in my research, as this seemed to have
a bearing on powerful, compulsive, and almost "blind" attraction.
There seemed to be something "fated" about such encounters.
Here's a list of the top twelve that I came up with:
SO/MO The inner marriage of yin & yang. At-one-ment with self.
SO/MC The perceived goal or object of life. Individuality. Father image.
MO/MC How one nurtures oneself and the world. Mother image.
ASC/MC Expressing our image very powerfully in the world.
SO/ASC Sense of self confidence and creativity.
VE/MA Passion, sexual drive. Desire. "Carnal juices".
SO/MA Essence of masculinity. Action, aggressiveness. "Ideal man"
MO/VE Essence of femininity. Devotion, tenderness, gentleness. "Ideal
woman"
VE/MC "The Romantic Ideal." Very strong attraction.
VE/VX Compulsive, powerful feelings of physical attraction.
PL/VX A deeply transformative/destructive, obsessive encounter
Possible cruelty, or emotional manipulation. Karmic.
NO/VX Similar to the above, but without the manipulative element.
Afeeling of having known each other before.
The nature of the planetary contacts to any of the above
midpoints will describe the major themes of the relationship
with eye-watering accuracy, believe me! Have fun going over
all your past relationships. The more contacts there are,
the more significant the relationship, IMHO.
This system is not meant to do away with conventional synastry,
which has stood the test of time and always will, but it's a useful
adjunct to it, and well worth exploring.
Pete.
*LIVE IN LIGHT & FEED THE FLAME*
David Hecht wrote in message
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>I really think it depends upon the specific charts involved. Lets face
>it, if you have "mars in Virgo in 12 square saturn", a "mars/venus
>contact might not cut it. Overall, the old standby "sun/moon" connection
>is probably hardest to beat.
>Dave
>
aries
> the man's Moon is conjunct the woman's Sun, and the woman's Moon is cunjunct
> the man's Sun.
Two summers ago (97) I had a freindship with a man who's N Sun and Mercury was
conj my N Moon, and my N Mercury was conj his Moon. It was an instant
friendship and I swear we could read each other's minds! And yes, it was
scarey, especially on the August eclipse which affected us both very strongly.
radiocat
this, I believe! There's a nice example for you!
>
I would like to see any real-life examples of where
>the man's Moon is conjunct the woman's Sun, and the woman's Moon is
cunjunct
>the man's Sun. Personally, I think it would be awesome!!! >
Galadriel
It sure seems as if it should be, but I know from a personal experience
of my own that for some of us it just doesn't seem to spell hearts and
flowers. Like Haizen Paige, I've seen lots of synastries that have
none of the so-called "good" stuff. And, when I find myself meeting
those with whom I have these sun-moon links, even double, I'm unaffected.
What usually works for me is a Venus conjunction to Sun, Moon, or
Ascendant.
--
McGKar
Duhh. It meant sextile. Sorry! :)
Karen
McGKar
>>>the man's Moon is conjunct the woman's Sun, and the woman's Moon is
>>cunjunct
>>>the man's Sun
Well, my parents are a good example, although it's not a conjunction. My
mother's Leo sun is trine my father's Sag moon, and my father's Aquarius sun is
trine my mother's Libra moon. :) They've been happily married for 36 years
now.
Karen
CVFay
>>>>the man's Moon is conjunct the woman's Sun, and the woman's Moon is
>>>cunjunct
>>>>the man's Sun
I have friends who have been married 20 ish years. She is Scorpio with Moon in
Libra. he is Libra with Moon in Scorpio.
But this would mean I would have to find for myself a Pisces with Moon in
Gemini. Doesn't sound like a good bet for me. Unless he had a lot of earth
somewhere.... Too ethereal and flighty. But then it's hypothetical...
I wonder what the rising signs of the Sun Moon couples are? That might be
important too, no?
CVFay
Writermss
>>Well, my parents are a good example, although it's not a conjunction. My
mother's Leo sun is trine my father's Sag moon, and my father's Aquarius sun is
trine my mother's Libra moon. :) They've been happily married for 36 years
now.<<
My own parents were happily married for 35 years and had reciprocal Sun-Moon
opposites, which I am surprised nobody has mentioned yet. Virgo sun/Libra moon
and Aries sun/Pisces moon.
Margo
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and had an instant and powerful attraction to him. He's not even
handsome and is old enough to be my father.
I ran a chart and his Mars is conjunct my sun, moon, and venus!
Would that only be a one way attraction?
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>and had an instant and powerful attraction to him. He's not even
>handsome and is old enough to be my father.
>I ran a chart and his Mars is conjunct my sun, moon, and venus!
>Would that only be a one way attraction?
Your Moon wouldn't happen to be in Pisces, would it? (That's sort of a joke.)
Well, I had a similar experience several years ago. People thought I'd lost my
mind. But they all thought I definitely had a shot at him! I can safely say
that most people have never heard of the guy. ( I met some people who knew him
once (Mary Matalin and James Carville!) and Ms. Matalin seemed to think I might
be too tall for him...
I really did not pursue it and after a while decided to move on. (My friend's
husband still misses the guy, I believe. He'd gotten attached!) In any case,
a year or so later, I couldn't imagine what the attraction had been!
I will go back and look at my chart and see what the heck my planets were doing
then. I don't know what sign he is. He certainly wasn't terribly charismatic.
But with my Moon in Pisces, Neptune conjunct my 7th house cusp and Mars trine
Uranus, I guess I am prone to these lapses.... Wouldn't it be funny if it were
the same guy?!
If it's just his Mars that 's involved, I'm not sure it would be anything but
you-know-what. Wasn't there any other connection? Are you having a Neptune
transit, by any chance?
CVFay
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ka...@my-dejanews.com
sag...@aol.com (SAGA NYC) wrote:
> >I swear I saw a man on TV, never met him
> >and had an instant and powerful attraction to him. He's not even
> >handsome and is old enough to be my father.
> >I ran a chart and his Mars is conjunct my sun, moon, and venus!
> >Would that only be a one way attraction?
>
Here's my data
My sun square his Venus
My sun conjunct his Mars
My moon square his venus
My moon conjunct his Mars
My moon conjunct his Saturn
My Venus Square his Venus
My Venus conjunct his Mars
My mars sextile his Mars
My Mars square his Pluto
We have no Sun/Sun Moon/Sun Venus/Moon aspects
His Mercury is in Gemini and My Moon is in Gemini
I am a Cancer he is a Taurus
Rusalka
CVFay wrote in message <19990523164213...@ng-da1.aol.com>...
>>I would like to see any real-life examples of where
>>>>>the man's Moon is conjunct the woman's Sun, and the woman's Moon is
>>>>cunjunct
>>>>>the man's Sun
A Scorpio male with Moon in Aquarius would be adorable. So
far I've only been with one or the other; for some reason that
connection gives relationships longevity for me, but I don't
really like the feeling of fusion all that well. What about mutual
trines?
>I have friends who have been married 20 ish years. She is Scorpio with
Moon in
>Libra. he is Libra with Moon in Scorpio.
>
>But this would mean I would have to find for myself a Pisces with Moon in
>Gemini. Doesn't sound like a good bet for me. Unless he had a lot of
earth
>somewhere.... Too ethereal and flighty. But then it's hypothetical...
Actually, these people are really interesting. They never get
boring, you never run out of things to talk about, they stay
youthful for an outrageously long time; if you're not a stickler
about fidelity and like heart-to-hearts they're great. Of course
I'm double-fixed but the same elements so they're like a
breath of fresh air for me, yet wonderfully familiar-feeling.
>I wonder what the rising signs of the Sun Moon couples are? That might be
>important too, no?
Aspects to the Ascendant are very important, I find. Asc sq
Asc hasn't worked for me, and Asc conj Asc makes the
person feel like a family member. Sun trine or opposite
Asc is good; the Moon aspects are interesting but seem
unstable and encourage dependencies; Saturn or Pluto
on the Asc is harsh, Saturn sq the Asc can make the
Asc person feel old, ugly or withdrawn. Jupiter on the
Asc is a definite draw and over time actually changes the
Asc person's appearance.
Layo
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Rusalka <la...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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Hello Layo,
When I started this thread, quite frankly I did not expect to recieve many
replies.
It's good to know that folks still think about their favorite combinations
of aspects.
I have an Aquarius Sun(8th house), and a Leo Moon(2nd house), with a Cancer
Ascendant. I have never--to my memory--been with anyone, who positively
aspected
my 7th house. Nor have I known anyone, who positively aspected my Ascendent.
Man, maybe I should have paid more attention!!
Take care,
Wayne A.
qtzc...@spamfree.texas.net
wrote:
I have several Leo rising friends, and we can get only *so* close
before all the Leo stuff gets on my nerves. Having the same signs on
the same house's cusps does make for familiarity... we think alike in
those areas. But I'd not like to try to have an intimate relationship
with another Leo rising person!
Jules
Ali Hassan
>
> On Fri, 28 May 1999 01:23:03 CST, "Rusalka" <la...@concentric.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >CVFay wrote in message <19990523164213...@ng-da1.aol.com>...
> >>>I would like to see any real-life examples of where
> >>>>>>the man's Moon is conjunct the woman's Sun, and the woman's Moon is
> >>>>>cunjunct
> >>>>>>the man's Sun
I knew a couple like that, and they were so boringly
compatible, they separated. I *don't* do compatibility...
That's funny. My wife and I both have Leo rising, my
youngest daughter has the same degree rising as I, my
stepson's Sun is three degrees off ( his Saturn is conj. my
asc.), and the rest of the kids are *very* Leonine. Lions
travel in 'prides', you know. Aquarian overtones,tho, even
in nature.
> > Sun trine or opposite
> >Asc is good; the Moon aspects are interesting but seem
> >unstable and encourage dependencies; Saturn or Pluto
> >on the Asc is harsh, Saturn sq the Asc can make the
> >Asc person feel old, ugly or withdrawn. Jupiter on the
> >Asc is a definite draw and over time actually changes the
> >Asc person's appearance.
> >
> >Layo
Hi Layo. Hope I didn't scare you away from misc.creant-ivity
qtzc...@spamfree.texas.net
wrote:
....and all of you are in the same family. The folks I'm referring to
are colleagues in a competitive enviornment.
I do like the idea of traveling in prides, though!
Julie
qtzc...@spamfree.texas.net
CVFay
>>> >far I've only been with one or the other; for some reason that
>>> >connection gives relationships longevity for me, but I don't
>>> >really like the feeling of fusion all that well. What about mutual
>>> >trines?
I just caught back up with this thread.
My best friend is a Scorpio male with Moon in Aquarius. His moon is the same
degree as my Saturn in Aquarius. He's gay - but before he came out, I was
never interested in him that way. He always felt more like a brother to me.
He's learning to deal with his emotions - like that's it's ok to have them!
He's gotten very good looking over the years! - and grown into himself in
general very nicely. Adorable in my view! And not quite as obsessive about
working out as he used to be! For a while there, the body fat percentage
updates were starting to get to me! He has Gemini rising.
If I could find a straight guy like him - with a Mars that jibed with mine,
that might do the trick! My family all has moon in water signs - and air suns
(except my Dad, who is water/water) - so it's nice to be around an air moon -
who isn't so reactionary!
I also have a dear friend who is a Libra with Moon in Aquarius. Her moon is
pretty widely conjunct my Saturn. Maybe I just have to find a guy who's moon
is conjunct my saturn, so he won't be bounced out by my Uranus in the 5th. So,
who has their Moon around 11 Aquarius? Please submit you chart data...
As far as Pisces with moon in Gemini... Yeah, I am a stickler for fidelity. I
have taurus rising and Venus in Cancer. I had one Scorpio boyfriend with Moon
in Sag who cheated on me (who knows how often? - I only found out once) and
after the shock (I couldn't really eat for a couple of weeks and lost about 10
lbs), my feelings for him were just plain gone.
We stayed in touch though. Scorpios do have staying power, they can just sap
the life out of you along the way....
Still waiting to get my hands on my grandparents data. He was Taurus. She was
Leo. They were as devoted as two people can get.
It almost seems like " everyone cheats" now - orwould/should, if you listen to
the media. Is there an astrological something we can attribute this attitude
to?
CVFay
Sun 5 Gemini, rising 12 Taurus, Moon 12 Pisces, Venus 5 Cancer, Mars 28 Aries,
Saturn 11 Aquarius.... :)