Sun & Moon in Synastry
Timothy Dickerson
I have studied and practiced Synastry as part of Astrology
for a good many years and have become familiar with many of the
meanings of the cross aspects between 2 charts in relationships
but there is one aspect which seems to appear on the Synastry
charts of many of the couples who are friends or clients of mine.
This may seem a bit obvious to some but there is almost always
some kind of Sun Moon interaction on these charts,between the couples.
This could be any major or strong minor aspect but the Conjunction,Trine
and Opposition between the Sun and Moon are often presant. Less so
the Square and Sextile. Thought I have a soul mate(and close friend) who
has her Moon Sextile my Sun. This seems to me logical as the Sun is a
masculine energy (in a spiritual sense) the outward expression of personalty
and ego drives.The moon ruling emotions, deep intuition and femine
principals.
What a woman looks for in a man and vice versa.
But I always thought it would be of equal importance for two partners to
have compatable moon signs with harmonious aspects between them for
deeper emotional understanding, domestic harmony and intuitive
understanding
of each others behavoir. In some partnerships this is the case
,and the relationships
having Moon/Moon interactions seem very strong.Sometimes Sun Moon aspects
occur aswell making the bond even stronger.
For example one persons Sun Trines his or her Natal Moon which happens to
conjoin his/her partners moon. I have found charts with Sun/Moon aspects
but
no Moon/Moon interactions. For example a friend of mine has her 21deg Virgo
Sun
conjunct her partners Moon to within 4 degrees(in Virgo) and also her Libra
Moon
opposite is Aries Sun(a classic!) but no real aspect from her Libra Moon to
his in Virgo!
There is an attraction(strong at first!) but not really much emotional
compatability.
(As her Libra Moon is quite romantic and animated and his Virgo Moon isn't!)
I cannot really decide which of the above is the more
favourable to have, Sun to Moon or Moon to Moon, (I give both of these a
little more priority over the other aspects in synastry.)
So I give them equal priority, thought the Sun /Moon one occurs more
frequently.
This is could be because of the visibility of Sun Signs for example ,making
attraction more obvious. But I did wonder if water sign Moon subects,Cancer
and Scorpio especially(also Taurus as the Moon is exhalted here!) seek out
partners with a similar or same moon sign more, as they look beneath the
surface. I for one feel the need for a woman with one of these Moon signs
as my last girlfriend's moons in Gemin(Mine is Scopio) which is about
as emotionaly disimilar as one can get!
I would like to read anyones thoughts on the above!
Tim (-:
Ray Murphy
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In article <lnQ_8.18$tg4....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>, "Timothy
Dickerson" <astrotim...@virgin.net> wrote:
>Hi Everyone!
>
>I have studied and practiced Synastry as part of Astrology
>for a good many years and have become familiar with many of the
>meanings of the cross aspects between 2 charts in relationships
>but there is one aspect which seems to appear on the Synastry
>charts of many of the couples who are friends or clients of mine.
>This may seem a bit obvious to some but there is almost always
>some kind of Sun Moon interaction on these charts,between the couples.
RM: This Sun/Moon thing is something that others have mentioned, and
it amy turn out to be "real" but preliminary research which I have
done recently with many hundreds of couples shows nothing other than
chance, but I will be looking at many more examples yet before
publishing (on usenet) the actual figures. I must add that there ARE
some interesting connections -- especially with conjunctions, but they
don't hold water yet with probability statistics.
>This could be any major or strong minor aspect but the Conjunction,Trine
>and Opposition between the Sun and Moon are often presant. Less so
>the Square and Sextile.
RM: I too thought that some aspects seemed more frequent.
>Thought I have a soul mate(and close friend) who
>has her Moon Sextile my Sun. This seems to me logical as the Sun is a
>masculine energy (in a spiritual sense) the outward expression of personalty
>and ego drives.The moon ruling emotions, deep intuition and femine
>principals.
RM: I think the average astrologer is aware that many of the prominent
aspects DO work in synastry, but (so far) it seems to me that people
are not actually *gravitating towards each other* based on their
horoscopes -- well not with SINGLE factors at least.
>What a woman looks for in a man and vice versa.
>But I always thought it would be of equal importance for two partners to
>have compatable moon signs with harmonious aspects between them for
>deeper emotional understanding, domestic harmony and intuitive
> understanding of each others behavoir. In some partnerships this is
>the case ,and the relationships having Moon/Moon interactions seem
very strong.
>Sometimes Sun Moon aspects occur as well making the bond even stronger.
RM: My impression so far, after looking at a LOT of numbers, is that
people *are* actually gravitating towards partners according to their
horoscopes, but it is simply a case of selecting a *best fit* from a
number of potential partners available.
Ray
Scott & Julie McCamish
> favourable to have, Sun to Moon or Moon to Moon, (I give both of these a
> little more priority over the other aspects in synastry.)
> So I give them equal priority, thought the Sun /Moon one occurs more
> frequently.
I have both connections, one Sun/Moon and one that is Moon/Moon. With my
husband, his Moon trines my moon (His - Pisces, Hers - Scorpio) and my Moon
is part of a Grand Water Trine ( Pisces Venus conj. his Moon and Mars in
Cancer ). So his Moon hits upon 3 of my planets directly. With another man
who is a dear friend, I have the Sun/Moon connection. My Scorpio Moon is
exactly conjunct his Scorpio Sun. So with him, his Scorpio Sun also sits
atop a corner of my Grand Water Trine. Both are interesting connection :) !
Julie
LibraLove
From: "Scott & Julie McCamish" mcca...@provide.net
Date: Mon, Jul 22, 2002 4:35 PM >>
<< I have both connections, one Sun/Moon and one that is Moon/Moon. With my
husband, his Moon trines my moon (His - Pisces, Hers - Scorpio) and my Moon
is part of a Grand Water Trine ( Pisces Venus conj. his Moon and Mars in
Cancer ). So his Moon hits upon 3 of my planets directly. With another man
who is a dear friend, I have the Sun/Moon connection. My Scorpio Moon is
exactly conjunct his Scorpio Sun. So with him, his Scorpio Sun also sits
atop a corner of my Grand Water Trine. Both are interesting connection :) !
Julie >>
Well, Julie. Although as a previous noted by Ray, the significance in long term
couples doesn't seem to show any clustering around Sun/Moon aspects.
There are a lot of aspects that draw people together and Sun/Moon is one of the
best and describes a real friendship between the two.
The Moon/Moon aspects show a daily scheduling similarity. Like your daily
schedules are similar. We've all known couples who have to make an appointment
to see each other, not Moon/Moon couples. Daily schedules are in synch with
moon conjunct moon. They want to wake at the same time, they prefer to eat and
sleep at the same time. True togetherness!!
I think Lois Rodden, wrote a remarkable little pink book called, "The Mercury
Method of Chart Comparison" that was based on true couple research and it is
fascinating because the key she believes is Mercury aspects. It is quite a
significant little book in my mind and she sites research and examples of
couples. She even includes the minor aspects as well as parallels and
inconjuncts.
Check it out, synastry people!! -- LL
Christine
Timothy Dickerson <astrotim...@virgin.net> schreef in berichtnieuws
lnQ_8.18$tg4....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
> Hi Everyone!
[..]
Thought I have a soul mate(and close friend) who
> has her Moon Sextile my Sun. This seems to me logical as the Sun is a
> masculine energy (in a spiritual sense) the outward expression of
personalty
> and ego drives.The moon ruling emotions, deep intuition and femine
> principals.
> What a woman looks for in a man and vice versa.
>
Hi Tim,
You think that it's only Sun/Moon aspects that reveal what man and woman
look for in each other, then?
What about Mars and Venus in each chart for physical attraction or Mercurius
for a good mental rapport?
Saturn for social standing and security (and it 'does' count for some,
believe me !) and Uranus for some out of the ordinary excitement? Neptune
can be SO romantic and idealistic, whilst Pluto can look deep into the soul.
Don't these count as much...or perhaps more...than a Sun-Moon contact?
But I always thought it would be of equal importance for two partners to
> have compatable moon signs with harmonious aspects between them for
> deeper emotional understanding, domestic harmony and intuitive
> understanding
> of each others behavoir. In some partnerships this is the case
> ,and the relationships
> having Moon/Moon interactions seem very strong.Sometimes Sun Moon aspects
> occur aswell making the bond even stronger.
Only recently I had reason to do a few checks in family horoscopes. I was
surprised at the results.
Gemini Sun-Venus's marriage broke up, even with a trine to Neptune, because
' we had nothing to talk about'.
Gemini Sun/Taurus Moon 'felt so safe' with Taurus husband. His Venus in
Gemini says, ' we laugh a lot.'
Venus in Virgo's 1st marriage to a Virgo Sun was 'so dull'. The Mars in
Libra found its 'other half' in the 2nd marriage to Libra Sun.
Sun-Venus in Scorpio experiences 'a oneness' with same day Sun Scorpio. His
Venus conjunct her Mars in Libra.
Sun-Venus in Scorpio, moon in Aquarius divorced 'no drive' Taurus Sun. 2nd
partner emotional Scorpio..with his own cab!
Male Leo Sun-Cancer Venus just celebrated 50th anniversary with Cancer
Sun-Mars Leo.
His Venus is exact conjunct her Mars in Sagittarius. They met in college.
Two Libra Suns close conjunct, moons in trine. His Venus almost exact her
Moon.
And I'd be inclined to worry about one blissfully happy couple who,
astrologically, seem to have nothing going for them .....except their joint
Suns and NN's in close trine.
Regards.
Christine.
[..]
>
> Tim (-:
>
Bill Kneuper
Society's book, Success in Love and Money. They're big on Chiron.
http://www.magiastrology.com/index.html
Sex Romance MAGIcal Cinderella Trust Cupid Golden
Ven-Chi X X X X
Ven-Plu X X
Ven-Mar X
Ven-Nep X
Ven-Sun X
Mar-Plu X
Chi-Jup X X
Chi-Sun X
Chi-Nep X X
Jup-Plu X
Hard aspects, 90, 180, are detrimental. Soft aspects, 0, 120, 150,
parallels, and contrparalles are harmonious. Sextiles and the minor
aspects are weak. Please don't underestimate the importance of
parallels and contraparallels.
A 'MAGIcal' aspect between charts or in an event chart is just that,
Magical in some way. With Cinderella aspects one person is usually
richer, in money or stature, than the other. Golden aspects are about
money.
These aspects apply to synastry AND to event charts.
When you first meet someone special, say a potential mate, you have a
chart for that meeting. When you have sex with them you create a new
event chart that supersedes the meeting chart. When you marry that
person you create another new chart that supersedes the sex chart.
That is one reason why you see so many couples who live together
successfully for years fall apart after they marry. They pick some
random inauspicious date for the wedding.
Bill Kneuper
Ray Murphy
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In article <45878464.02072...@posting.google.com>,
b_kn...@hotmail.com (Bill Kneuper) wrote:
>Here is a summary of information I have gleened from the Magi
>Society's book, Success in Love and Money. They're big on Chiron.
>http://www.magiastrology.com/index.html
>
[.......]
>
>That is one reason why you see so many couples who live together
>successfully for years fall apart after they marry. They pick some
>random inauspicious date for the wedding.
>
>
>Bill
RM: Bill, I don't mean to be more challenging than normal here, but I
think marital separations have a lot more to do with natal charts,
transits and money than the dates selected for marriages.
Ray
Serenella Venier
> Hi Everyone!
>
> I have studied and practiced Synastry as part of Astrology
Davison chart. http://puck.dhs.org Then you direct the Davison
or relationship horoscope and use transits on the chart.
The chart is a a + b / 2 midpoint in time and space from the
two (or more) charts.
> for a good many years and have become familiar with many of the
> meanings of the cross aspects between 2 charts in relationships
Moon Sun (angelic kiss aspect) is favorable even when it is a square.
> but there is one aspect which seems to appear on the Synastry
> charts of many of the couples who are friends or clients of mine.
> This may seem a bit obvious to some but there is almost always
> some kind of Sun Moon interaction on these charts,between the couples.
> This could be any major or strong minor aspect but the Conjunction,Trine
> and Opposition between the Sun and Moon are often presant. Less so
> the Square and Sextile. Thought I have a soul mate(and close friend) who
> has her Moon Sextile my Sun. This seems to me logical as the Sun is a
> masculine energy (in a spiritual sense)
Sun = false ego, Moon = true mind
the outward expression of personalty
> and ego drives.The moon ruling emotions, deep intuition and femine
> principals.
> What a woman looks for in a man and vice versa.
Mars and venus apply to sex and Saturn Uranus to fatal attraction.
> But I always thought it would be of equal importance for two partners to
> have compatable moon signs
The Moon is of primary importance, of course.
with harmonious aspects between them for
> deeper emotional understanding, domestic harmony and intuitive
> understanding
> of each others behavoir. In some partnerships this is the case
> ,and the relationships
> having Moon/Moon interactions seem very strong.
Truemind 120 truemind;) 150 also ok
Christine
Ray Murphy <ray...@chariot.net.au> schreef in berichtnieuws
3d3f0...@news.chariot.net.au...
Hi Ray,
I'm inclined to disagree with your view. The chart for a marriage date,
time and place can be looked at in the same manner as a chart drawn up for
anything else, but its perspective will be about the marriage (similar to
composite charts revealing ' the relationship?) as an entity and what the
two individuals make of it, rather than the individual state of mind of the
individuals themselves and how they handle the 'event', as could be gleaned
from the transits/progressions of the respective natal charts.
Although it would take research to scientifically prove such a thing, I have
a very small example to begin with.
My daughter married last year with transiting Sun-Merc-Jup- conjuct and
trine Uranus. All were close trine her and her husband's Libra suns. Moon in
Aries (daughter's 7th house, husband's 10th) sextile both Saturn and
Neptune, a stabilising Venus in Taurus, Mars in Sag. ( 3 intercontinental
holidays rather than own home, and job promotion to date),...........etc.
They had been together for just over 7 years before HE was ready for
marriage (tr. Uranus in meeting chart?).
Only this week she mentioned that some friends who had been together for 5
years before marrying 3 weeks later than they, had split up. The wedding day
showed a Cancer Sun inconjunct Pluto and opp. Capr. Moon which was
inconjunct Uranus, Merc and Jup.still conjunct, but Venus approaching
conjunction Saturn, and Mars separating conjunction Pluto. I do not have any
personal information regarding the couple involved.
Had you been given those ' wedding day' charts to look at, which one would
you have suggested as having indicated a more succesful and/or stressful
marriage ?
Regards,
Christine.
Raymond
moons with similar energies like a lady's Moon in Scorpio to a Man's
Moon trine Pluto even though he may have his moon in Aquarius....Moon
in Pisces to Moon oppose Neptune even though the Moon may be in
Gemini. I feel that you have to look at the natal charts to see if
there are any astrological similarities like the ones I
mentioned...maybe a man has Sun in Taurus and his mate has Sun in 2nd
house even though her Sun is in another sign. Natal dynamics are very
important..not just the cross contacts,transits,and composites. I
don't put too much emphasis on marriage chart. I have the Magi Society
book, and I lost interest in it. They put too much focus on Chiron as
marriage. It is ridiculous. Also no aspect makes a person. It only
reflects. Magi Society seems to imply that we are because of our
charts and not that our charts reflect who we are.
Raymond Andrews
ven...@sdf.lonestar.org (Serenella Venier) wrote in message news:<638cf124.0207...@posting.google.com>...
LibraLove
Date: Wed, Jul 24, 2002 3:33 PM >>
<< Here is a summary of information I have gleened from the Magi
Society's book, Success in Love and Money. They're big on Chiron.
http://www.magiastrology.com/index.html
Sex Romance MAGIcal Cinderella Trust Cupid Golden
Ven-Chi X X X X
Ven-Plu X X
Ven-Mar X
Ven-Nep X
Ven-Sun X
Mar-Plu X
Chi-Jup X X
Chi-Sun X
Chi-Nep X X
Jup-Plu X
Hard aspects, 90, 180, are detrimental. Soft aspects, 0, 120, 150,
parallels, and contraparallels are harmonious. Sextiles and the minor aspects
are weak. Please don't underestimate the importance of parallels and
contraparallels.
A 'MAGIcal' aspect between charts or in an event chart is just that, Magical in
some way. With Cinderella aspects one person is usually richer, in money or
stature, than the other. Golden aspects are about money.
These aspects apply to synastry AND to event charts.
When you first meet someone special, say a potential mate, you have a chart for
that meeting. When you have sex with them you create a new event chart that
supersedes the meeting chart. When you marry that person you create another new
chart that supersedes the sex chart.
That is one reason why you see so many couples who live together
successfully for years fall apart after they marry. They pick some
random inauspicious date for the wedding.
Bill
http://www.geocities.com/b_kneuper/
>>
Bill,
Thanks for sharing this with the group. A very good condensation for people to
print out and compare with charts they are working on or have done in the past.
I find the Magi Society (whoever they are) to be the most exciting new approach
to astrology in years! Maybe since The Church of Light's "Astrological
Research & Reference Cyclopedia" from 1972 and Doris Chase Doan's "Astrology 30
Years Research" from 1956.
Both are awesome research compilations. In my mind, the Magi work is very
strong and powerful as were those two compilations and Ebertin's research in
the '80s.
I find their research on parallels and contraparallels and Chiron extremely
enlightening.
It fills in a lot of blanks I was having when for example I saw a couple whose
marriage was romantic and lasting but had few of the traditional aspects one
looks for to account for it. So what did one couple have? Her Neptune conjunct
his Chiron. So I said to her, looks like a good marriage to me!
Neptune conjunct Chiron is a "Lifetime Linkage" and accounts for long lasting
marriages, and a "Cinderella Linkage" which is long-term financial security
through marriage. They both have extensive properties in Austin and San
Francisco.
I am VERY IMPRESSED with the Magi research and books. I think they are
definately on to something.
I have the Magi software which I have not yet installed because it is PC based
(Windows) and I am a Mac person.
I will be installing it soon because I am now running Virtual PC and Windows 98
on my Mac G4. Now I just have to learn to read their somewhat peculiar sine
wave looking charts! ;)
Best to All and Thanks Bill! -- LL
Allen Edwall
daily
schedules are similar. We've all known couples who have to make an
appointment
to see each other, not Moon/Moon couples. Daily schedules are in synch
with
moon conjunct moon. They want to wake at the same time, they prefer
to eat and
sleep at the same time. True togetherness!!
I disagree from personal experience. My girlfriend and I both have our
Moons at 1 Libra. She and I are totally different. She is a night-owl
and doesn't get going until late afternoon, then stays up until 4 or 5
in the morning. I am a 9-to-5 person.
I heard someone say once that you don't really get going each day
until the time of your birth. I was born at 10:43 am and am slower in
the mornings to get started, until about 10:30 or so. She was born at
3:52 pm and definitely gets going around that time. Course, no
generalization is worth a damn, including this one, but Moon conjunct
Moon does not bring the above in my experience.
>> I think Lois Rodden, wrote a remarkable little pink book called,
"The Mercury
Method of Chart Comparison" that was based on true couple research and
it is
fascinating because the key she believes is Mercury aspects.
Here again, this has not been my experience. If I recall correctly,
she doesn't think that Mercury square Mercury is so bad. In my
experience it is really difficult. In something as complex as human
relationships, there is no way that one planet can describe all the
ins-and-outs of a relationship. It must be a composite picture of all
the factors working together. If I were to avoid one synastry aspect,
I think it would be Mercury square Mercury, although Neptune square
Mercury and Saturn square Mars are right up there, too.
>> It is quite a significant little book in my mind and she sites
research and examples of
couples. She even includes the minor aspects as well as parallels and
inconjuncts.
Yes, check it out. My take is it doesn't work that easily and it
doesn't give a clear picture - in my experience.
---
Allen
Free astrology software at:
http://www.astrowin.org
Allen Edwall
not that our charts reflect who we are.
It is one and the same. We are born at a time when our character is
reflected in the sky. The sky and we are both the same at the moment
of our birth. Either way you choose to say it, it is the same.
--
Allen Edwall
extremely
enlightening. It fills in a lot of blanks I was having when for
example I saw a couple whose
marriage was romantic and lasting but had few of the traditional
aspects one
looks for to account for it. So what did one couple have? Her Neptune
conjunct
his Chiron. So I said to her, looks like a good marriage to me!
I wonder what dual cosmodynes would have shown? In all of astrology we
all told that one aspect by itself cannot make or break anything.
There must be supporting aspects in whatever direction they point. Is
it possible to supply the data so I can look at the dual cosmodynes? I
admit there might be something to the Magi system, yet I also believe
it is missing something, too. I would like to see them quantify
relationships (if it is possible) and see if there is something more
than just chance operating - or if they are just picking their best
examples when they talk about a chart. From a traditional astrological
approach, it is a little hard to see that Venus conjunct Neptune is
"good" for a relationship. People just aren't that evolved yet to
handle old Neptune.
Michael
>
Although as a previous noted by Ray, the significance in long term
>couples doesn't seem to show any clustering around Sun/Moon aspects.
>
>There are a lot of aspects that draw people together and Sun/Moon is one of the
>best and describes a real friendship between the two.
>
>The Moon/Moon aspects show a daily scheduling similarity. Like your daily
>schedules are similar. We've all known couples who have to make an appointment
>to see each other, not Moon/Moon couples. Daily schedules are in synch with
>moon conjunct moon. They want to wake at the same time, they prefer to eat and
>sleep at the same time. True togetherness!!
Do you take progression into your synastry chart? Say if the person is born 10
years older- do you progress their conjunct moon ten years ahead , and thus it
is not conjunct in reality of true natal times?
Michael
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Resurrecting the grand Leader of the Far East
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Raymond
the heavenly body alignments. Our charts are only indicators of how we
are. That is not the same. I can't say a person is a fiery type
because he has an Aries Sun or other stuff. Heavenly bodies make how
we are. I don't go with the fatalistic and deterministic approach.
Ray
"Allen Edwall" <allen...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<w%W09.35075$Fq6.3...@news2.west.cox.net>...
Ray Murphy
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In article <f7b1739f.02080...@posting.google.com>,
gla...@hotmail.com (Raymond) wrote:
>I disagree. We are not who we are because of our charts and because of
>the heavenly body alignments. Our charts are only indicators of how we
>are. That is not the same. I can't say a person is a fiery type
>because he has an Aries Sun or other stuff. Heavenly bodies make how
>we are. I don't go with the fatalistic and deterministic approach.
>
>Ray
RM: Would anyone care to try and write a definition here?
It all sounds the same to me like Allen said.
Do we have an analogy which would help describe what astrologers
believe in this regard?
Can we say that the horoscope simply reflects the correspondences that
exist?
Ray M.
Allen Edwall
>> It all sounds the same to me like Allen said.
>> Do we have an analogy which would help describe what astrologers
believe in this regard?
>> Can we say that the horoscope simply reflects the correspondences
that
exist?
If it is true like everyone says, "As above, so below.", then it is
also true
that, "As below, so above." Each of us is a mini solar system (has a
microcosm of the macrocosm solar system within us), just as the
Kingdom of God
is not external to us but within, as Christ said.
Since all of this is true, then the external solar system is reflected
in each
of us. How? By the time we were born. If we weren't in effect copies
(microcosm)
of the solar system (macrocosm) at the moment we were born and this
doesn't reflect who we are (our tendencies only - we do have free will
- astrology isn't fatalistic), then either astrology wouldn't work
(but we
know it does) or we would have had to be born at a different time.
"As above, so below." We are a mini solar system. The solar system
is within us. The planets are within us. Their energies, the spiritual
forces
they represent are within us.