Mars in Cancer and Libra -The insecure and overcompensatory ego
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Mars in the signs of Libra and Cancer reflect the ego that believes in
powerlessness-that it can be thwarted and must "strike out first" in order to
overpower the perceived threat.
Unless very well aspected, these placements indicate and reflect the belief
that one is utterly controlled by circumstances-faith and trust in natural
aggression and assertion is wanton. Efforts are strenuous and forced to "make
sure" that the self isn't "overwhelmed" by the external reality.
Mars reflects the conscious ego self and its focus in physical reality
(yes the sun is the CORE energy of the ego self but Mars APPLIES it.)
It is the EFFECT of this focus. It is the last of the "rocky" planets.
It reflects the natural aggression associated with the desire to be a
singular idea within the expression of "All That Is". There is nothing
inherently negative in the idea of ego expression. Once again, negative
ego expression is limiting and constricting based on the fear of being
ignored. It is the child with no restraint, foresight, planning (Saturn)
or sense of perspective (Pluto).
The need psychologically of Mars is to clarify, separate and prove the
self. This motivating energy is not good or bad-it is the catalyst
necessary in the physical world to action-the expressed energy
of conviction and trust. Anger can be positively interpreted as the
distinction between what you are and what you are not.
But it (the negative ego) does not have to know every little detail in
order to function. It must learn to incorporate the higher self
(Jupiter) and unconscious knowledge (Uranus), when this is blended action
is based on integrity. The idea that you recognize that you are as
powerful as you need to be to create whatever you desire in your reality
without having to hurt or malign yourself or anyone else in order to
create it.
All action in integrity creates a thread of synchronous accord (actually
ALL actions create threads of probability-even the negative ones.
Negativity has its own synchronicity). All threads lead to all other
threads automatically without effort. There is no reason to "strive" or
"struggle"-it is not a battle, YOU are the creator of your reality on
all levels.
Follow what it excites you to do and all the details will fall into
place when you act in integrity. Mars is the identity definition and the
thrust to manifest-use it! Action is the reflected conviction of belief
definition. We live in a physical world and physical action is a
"spiritual" experience. Thoughts are actions.
Integrity- Functioning as an integrated whole self, without placing power
outside of the self, because nothing is truly outside of the self. Integrity
consists of the recognition that we are as powerful as we need to be to create
whatever we desire to create in our reality, without having to hurt or malign
ourselves or anyone else in order to create it. We are always a part of the
problem or of the solution. Our position on the on the scale is therefore
defined by action. Action is the evidence of the convictions and beliefs held.
If a particle (such as a neutrino) is a "massless" particle-then it can
be affected by anything ELSE which is massless-including consciousness.
A sense of empowerment leads to integral action.
Everything is there for a reason.
CANCER- This position of Mars reflects that the identity believes it is at a
disadvantage. That it is inherently powerless and must "plan to make sure"
that it has the "insurance" of something to "fall back on" should what it
pursue, "fail". These are all reflections of the belief in the invalidity of
the identity. Doubt. By implication, if the identity makes a mountain out of a
molehill it is reinforcing that it must be a mountain, and therefore will
experience it as such. Emotional security considerations are tied to the
action and expression of the persona. If positive, the identity will be able
to find ego reinforcement through the nurture of others.
CANCER or 4th house Mars is in its fall in Cancer. Emotional security needs
trip application up. There is the desire to know outcomes before action is
taken. Defensiveness is worn on the sleeve. This is one of the positions that
indicates extreme difficulty in healthy ego formation. Being powerless is
anticipated. The early environment taught the individual to not trust the
self. Mountains are made of molehills and a false bravado fools no one but the
self. The need to prove is that the identity is secure and can handle things,
something most take for granted. Threats are seen where none exist.
LIBRA- This placement is similar to Cancer. The spontaneity of self assertion
is censored by the need for social acceptance by others. The validity of the
self is tied to "proper" social behavior. If integrated, the self will begin
to realize that it can't hide from itself and take self directed action
regardless of popularity concerns.
LIBRA or 7th house Mars is in its' detriment in Libra, and for good reason.
The ego's health and need to prove the self are based on social acceptance.
I'll be whatever you like. There is so much distrust in the self that a stand
of opinion may be non-existent. No one can be all things to all people.
Thoroughness of exploration and application can be diluted when others have
control over the idea that you are. Distinction comes not through mediocrity.
--
"Cowards die many times before their deaths: The valiant never taste their
death but once." William Shakespeare, Julius Caesar, Act ii, sc. 2.
--
"To see what is right and not to do it is want of courage" Confucius
--
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Danielle L Corbett
I have a friend (birth time unknown) that has Mars in Cancer and Libra
Moon. He's is also a Sun/Venus Cancer. If there was ever a posting that
discribes him- this would be it. He goes out of his way to help people,
almost to his disadvantage if he's not careful. Insecurity is his main
issue. He thinks he's terribly unattractive, which is so UNTRUE, he's
terribly attractive! He thinks he's dumb, but he's very intelligent
(Graduated from MIT with a PhD!). I think he prefers occupations which
allows for him to be in solitude so he can make accomplishments without
having his subconcious telling him lies about how others perceive him. I
don't think these people could handle a profession that deals with the
public. Examples... movie stars, president, etc..
Danielle
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Keera A. Fox
Danielle L Corbett <d...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:
> I have a friend (birth time unknown) that has Mars in Cancer and Libra
> Moon. He's is also a Sun/Venus Cancer. If there was ever a posting that
> discribes him- this would be it. He goes out of his way to help people,
> almost to his disadvantage if he's not careful. Insecurity is his main
> issue. He thinks he's terribly unattractive, which is so UNTRUE, he's
> terribly attractive! He thinks he's dumb, but he's very intelligent
> (Graduated from MIT with a PhD!). I think he prefers occupations which
> allows for him to be in solitude so he can make accomplishments without
> having his subconcious telling him lies about how others perceive him. I
> don't think these people could handle a profession that deals with the
> public. Examples... movie stars, president, etc..
>
I can't argue with Wollmann's take on Mars in Cancer, but it is, in my
opinion, a negative one. I do not believe that there is only
destructiveness, delusion or disempowerment associated with a planet in
its fall or detriment. If that were the case, many more of us would be
in prisons or psychiatric wards - or dead by our own hand.
That said, I think that the entire chart of your friend should be looked
at, Danielle. You've already pointed out a couple of factors that,
depending on aspects and house placement, may show why he underestimates
himself. One planet alone won't do it. However, I'm thinking that there
may be a difference in expression for men and women for such planets as
Venus and Mars, placed in masculine or feminine signs.
I am in a profession that deals with the public in the sense that I have
to cater to the graphical needs of my colleagues in a large company, but
no, I don't think I'd want to be "surrounded-by-bodyguards" famous.
However, I have a 12th house Sun. :-) There are other aspects in my
chart that have made dealing with colleagues and "customers" harder than
necessary so I wouldn't blame only Mars.
With me, Mars in Cancer in 7th attracts men who need to confide in
"mother" and also want "mother" to call the shots. I'm one of those
people strangers will talk to on the bus. I'm always surprised (but
pleased) that mentally handicapped people, children, drunks and the
elderly rarely are afraid of me, because many times "regular" adults
(men) are.
OK, my Mars in Cancer is done defending Mars in Cancer. :-)
--
***** Keera in Norway *****
* Think big. Shrink to fit. *
***** ka...@online.no *****
Edmond Wollmann
Keera A. Fox wrote:
> I can't argue with Wollmann's take on Mars in Cancer, but it is, in my
> opinion, a negative one. I do not believe that there is only
> destructiveness, delusion or disempowerment associated with a planet in
> its fall or detriment.
I think you need a reading class, I stated positive and negative effects
of both-and with neither did I state what you did. Please show mw where
I said anything about destructiveness?
Edmond Wollmann
Danielle L Corbett wrote:
> I have a friend (birth time unknown) that has Mars in Cancer and Libra
> Moon. He's is also a Sun/Venus Cancer. If there was ever a posting that
> discribes him- this would be it. He goes out of his way to help people,
> almost to his disadvantage if he's not careful. Insecurity is his main
> issue.
Yes, their intentions may be good, but can become problamatic from
trying to overcontrol outcomes.
> He thinks he's terribly unattractive, which is so UNTRUE, he's
> terribly attractive! He thinks he's dumb, but he's very intelligent
> (Graduated from MIT with a PhD!). I think he prefers occupations which
> allows for him to be in solitude so he can make accomplishments without
> having his subconcious telling him lies about how others perceive him.
Well Mars in Cancers tend to see things discomforting that many never
notice. My mother had her Mars here, and was always making mountains out
of molehills:-)
> I
> don't think these people could handle a profession that deals with the
> public. Examples... movie stars, president, etc..
Well some do, and a positive application is toward nurturing-but then
tend to shy away from that because they are afraid of being taken
advantage of-or get too defensive when critised. Sometimes taking simple
statements as ridicule. Much depends upon the chart though and if poorly
aspected or other indicators reflect insecurity, there can be a
billigerance in an attempt to bluff opponents that they are "really"
tuff:-) But these can be loving people if they can get over their fears
and oversensitivity.
Mars is self assertion and self application. This needcs to be
s[pontaneous and natural-not forced and "made" to happen.
Thanks for your post.
Ed
"So what are you gonna do about it, you can't live life and you can't
leave it. Advice on religion you can't take it-you can't seem to believe
it. The Peacock is afraid to parade, you're under the thumb of the maid.
And you really can't give love in this condition-still you know that you
need it. They open and close you! And they talk like they know you-they
don't know you! They're freinds and their foes too! Troubled Child,
breakin like the waves at Malibu." Joni Mitchell "Troubled Child
anonym
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
SNIP!
>Please show mw where
> I said anything about destructiveness?
You were talking about destructiveness when you threatened to crush Gary
Burnore's skull bones.
Edmond Wollmann
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Erica
Strange when I clicked on REPLY TO GROUP to reply to Ed's comments I kept
getting the mailbox part of my program. Strange. At any rate here are my
comments:
>anonym wrote:
>> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>> SNIP!
> >Please show mw where
> > I said anything about destructiveness?
> You were talking about destructiveness when you threatened to crush Gary
> Burnore's skull bones.
>>This person is being reviewed by Pacific Telesis as well as his
>>supervisor Jason Barr for allowing this abuse to continue. If you wish
>>to send complaints send this header to ab...@pacbell.net,
>>pol...@pbi.net, postm...@pacbell.net;
>>--
>>Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
>>© 1998 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
>>Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
ED YOU'RE OFF TOPIC! SNIP!
J. White
In article <6gb4pu$3kms$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>,
"Erica" <eric...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
> Strange when I clicked on REPLY TO GROUP to reply to Ed's comments I kept
> getting the mailbox part of my program. Strange.
Not at all...this is one of Eddie's little trickies. He sets the followups to
his (or some innocent person's) email address. Ain't he charmin'?
J. White
Scorpio Rising
Rick
In article <6gc9jq$6a6$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
J. White <whit...@hooked.net> wrote:
>> Strange when I clicked on REPLY TO GROUP to reply to Ed's comments I kept
>> getting the mailbox part of my program. Strange.
>Not at all...this is one of Eddie's little trickies. He sets the followups to
>his (or some innocent person's) email address. Ain't he charmin'?
More often it's some completely invalid address. He's just showing his
lack of integrity with a childish attempt to censor anybody wanting to
reply to his post.
--
"Follow ups set where I want them and you'll take them."
"now get out and shut up."
-Edmond Wollmann, astrologer, spammer, hypocrite, censor, Jan. '98 KoTM
Edmond Wollmann
Erica wrote in message <6gb4pu$3kms$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
>ED YOU'RE OFF TOPIC! SNIP!
Erica your profoundly defensive Mars in Cancer is showing.
Edmond Wollmann
Keera A. Fox wrote in message
<1d74n7q.18o...@ti21a02-0044.dialup.online.no>...
>Edmond Wollmann <arctu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Keera A. Fox wrote:
>> > Edmond Wollmann <woll...@mail.sdsu> wrote:
>> > > Keera A. Fox wrote:
>> > > > I can't argue with Wollmann's take on Mars in Cancer, but it is, in
my
>> > > > opinion, a negative one. I do not believe that there is only
>> > > > destructiveness, delusion or disempowerment associated with a
planet in
>> > > > its fall or detriment.
>> > > I think you need a reading class, I stated positive and negative
effects
>> > > of both-and with neither did I state what you did. Please show mw
where
>> > > I said anything about destructiveness?
>> > I thought about your reply and then suddenly realized how funny it was.
>> > If you re-read what *I* wrote (the part above) then you'll see I was
not
>> > quoting you, but stating *my* opinion. Shall we take the reading class
>> > together? :-)
>> But you are asserting by implication that I DID say something re;
>> destructiveness, delusion or disempowerment-when perhaps self
>> empowerment or rather the lack of it may be the only relevent aspect of
>> the thrust of my post. Or the closest thing to negativity I got. I would
>> say that perhaps there may be some negativity to detriments and
>> falls-such as my Venus in Aries-that doesn't mean they are wrong or bad
>> or there is no learning.
>Well, that statement about not being wrong or bad is exactly what I
>missed in your original post. I am referring to the actual descriptions
>of Mars in Libra/Cancer, not to the "introductory" paragraphs which gave
>a very insightful and constructive description of the Mars energy (thank
>you for that!).
The title is self explanatory.
>> Sorry, I do not see where I read anything incorrectly-I am not judging
>> you-I am simply pointing out that you spun an implication that was not
>> there.
>I think we have a case here of what you wrote and what I read are two
>different things - and that's nobody's fault.
Part of Mars in Cancer and Libra's insecurity IS defensiveness. So how does
it serve you to create this defense?
>> CANCER- This position of Mars reflects that the identity believes it is
at a
>> disadvantage. That it is inherently powerless and must "plan to make
sure"
>> that it has the "insurance" of something to "fall back on" should what
it
>> pursue, "fail". These are all reflections of the belief in the invalidity
of
>> the identity. Doubt. By implication, if the identity makes a mountain out
of a
>> molehill it is reinforcing that it must be a mountain, and therefore will
>> experience it as such. Emotional security considerations are tied to the
>> action and expression of the persona. If positive, the identity will be
able
>> to find ego reinforcement through the nurture of others.
>I interpret only the last line in that paragraph as positive/
>constructive, and even that's, uh, well, iffy. :-)
Mars in Cancer 's do not BELIEVE themselves positive and therefore the title
I defined. The fact that Mars is in Cancer in a chart IS the sign of the
emotions being caught up in insecurity and defense. If the ego was positive
and trusting it would not need to "make sure" things are "protected" from
going the "wrong" way.
>> CANCER or 4th house Mars is in its fall in Cancer. Emotional security
needs
>> trip application up. There is the desire to know outcomes before action
is
>> taken. Defensiveness is worn on the sleeve. This is one of the positions
that
>> indicates extreme difficulty in healthy ego formation. Being powerless is
>> anticipated. The early environment taught the individual to not trust the
>> self. Mountains are made of molehills and a false bravado fools no one
but the
>> self. The need to prove is that the identity is secure and can handle
things,
>> something most take for granted. Threats are seen where none exist.
>I can see nothing but problems in this paragraph. I was taught that
>proper counselling means not to dish out weaknesses without pointing out
This is not counseling, I will post examples of clientele in practice so you
can see the difference between complete synthesization of the chart and
delineation of planetary placements.
>the strengths (which are needed to deal with the weaknesses). There is
>nothing here to say exactly how someone with this Mars placement can go
>about dealing with these issues.
By first recognizing the defense as you are doing here.
> Also, the way this is written, it could
>sound as if these problems exist all the time, and they don't, but can
>pop up in certain situations (I guess this is where house placement
>comes in).
They generally do, but will be accelarated at times of stress. When planets
oppose or square the person's Mars in Cancer the fears of being taken
advantage of and defensiveness can create the person overcompensating to
"strike out" against the perceived threat. Mars in Cancer lacks TRUST. Fire
signs, for example trust that things are "ok", going as they "need to"
etc.-the anithesis of this is Mars in Cancer whose possessors believe they
need the "insurance" of things to "fall back on" and make great effort to
"make sure" things are "ok" -in a sense like you are overcompensating to
defend the interpretations themselves. This implies the person believes that
things are NOT going ok-that we must "manipulate them" into being ok. The
nurturing aspect of Cancer is fine for femionine receptive caring, but falls
flat with reference to the idea of self assertion and self directed
conviction-see?
This is making mountains out of molehills as Grant Lewi says-by ACTING this
way tyhe Mars in Cancer person REINFORCES the belief and actually CREATES
the mountains and the problems that they then say "see I told you so" and
this confirms their need to continually defend what is simple natural FAITH
to persons with adequate Fire etc. (which may also be low in charts with
Mars so placed.)
>> LIBRA- This placement is similar to Cancer. The spontaneity of self
assertion
>> is censored by the need for social acceptance by others. The validity of
the
>> self is tied to "proper" social behavior. If integrated, the self will
begin
>> to realize that it can't hide from itself and take self directed action
>> regardless of popularity concerns.
>Not as much "meat" here as for Cancer, so no comment, but what I said
>for the paragraph on Cancer can apply here, too.
Self conviction and identity trust cannot come from reflections it must come
from self directed application. Simple.
>> LIBRA or 7th house Mars is in its' detriment in Libra, and for good
reason.
>> The ego's health and need to prove the self are based on social
acceptance.
>> I'll be whatever you like. There is so much distrust in the self that a
stand
>> of opinion may be non-existent. No one can be all things to all people.
>> Thoroughness of exploration and application can be diluted when others
have
>> control over the idea that you are. Distinction comes not through
mediocrity.
>This is a very Libran paragraph. :-) Not sure what you mean here, but
>again, this does not apply all the time in a person. I know two people
>personally with this placement for Mars, and I do believe that the
>effects you describe are much more subtle than could be assumed from the
>above.
Observe them under developmental tension. This is when beliefs are made
manifest-as I have said, the square or cross is the movement into and of
physicality. When planets are in developmetal tension the beliefs are then
externalized. I did not say anything about consistency, I was speaking of
belief-and your post is a perfect example of the idea I outlined-to defend,
protect and "make sure" because the self does not trust simple self directed
behavior is going where it needs to go and must be "nurtured into"
something. In reality, spontenaeity is the natural application of faithFUL
behavior. And those with convicted and confident egos ACT spontaneously with
trust and KNOW it is going "correctly" even if it can't be discerned right
now.
--
"You are inventing all sorts of feelings for me such as I have never
really had at all, and then getting cross with me for having them. That
is not a very amiable proceeding, is it?" Murasaki Shikaba, Japanese
Poet, (974-1031)
--
>Right back at ya! :-) Consider me a "trial reader" for your book, if you
>like. Remember, whatever you write *will* be interpreted by the reader.
And the way the reader interprets it proves the validity of the
interpretation, as you have so eloquently provided here:-)
--
Edmond Wollmann
Keera A. Fox wrote:> > SNIP!
> > It was an interpretation of a position not a delineation.
> > Thanks
> Well, I read your other answer and it ended up a delineation. :-) Thank
> *you*!
It is not a delineation -some brief delineations are in my Saturn
Opposition Saturn article.
My you are defensive aren't you?
--
"She's only programmed to be very nice, but she's as cold as ice
whenever I get too near. Maybe one day I'll feel her cold embrace and
kiss her interface-until then-I'll leave her alone.
I love you sincerely, yours truly, yours truly dear. Is that what you
want? For all she says "Is that what what you want?" ELO 2095
Rick
In article <6gckd0$p...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
Edmond Wollmann <E...@astroconsulting.com> wrote:
>>ED YOU'RE OFF TOPIC! SNIP!
>Erica your profoundly defensive Mars in Cancer is showing.
Your lack of denial of being off topic noted.