Ruth Paine Interview: 6th Floor Museum

[Steven M. Galbraith]

Recorded on November 19 of this year and just uploaded:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kypq5Fs_5PE

[19efppp]

On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 4:27:27 PM UTC-5, Steven M. Galbraith wrote:
> Recorded on November 19 of this year and just uploaded:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kypq5Fs_5PE

Somewhat sad, really. Ruth is like Sinatra in his last years, just
stumbling around and forgetting her lines. Now it was Marina and not Odum
who asked for the ring. She probably spends most of her time envying the
mysteriously dead, who died in their primes with all their faculties
intact. That Jada! She knew how to live and she knew how to die, getting
hit by a bus while riding her motorcycle. That's the way to go, not
lingering around for years in a Friends hospice, watching movies of folk
dances and gumming down the oatmeal. Very sad indeed.

[jecorb...@yahoo.com]

Spewing venom like that, you seem to have what it takes to be a Democrat
congressman.

[David Von Pein]

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 2:41:21 PM UTC-5, 19efppp wrote:

I think what you just said about Ruth Paine is ridiculous.

IMO, for a lady in her late 80s now, I think she is still very lucid and
coherent, and she always gives a great interview. I love her. Always have,
always will.

You should apologize to Mrs. Ruth Hyde Paine. And a lot of other people
(i.e., conspiracy theorists) should too. (IMHO.)

Ruth's interviews through the years:
http://dvp-video-audio-archive.blogspot.com/2012/03/ruth-paine.html

[19efppp]

Jeez! I said she was like Sinatra.

[donald willis]

Venom thy name is Trump.

[19efppp]

Well, who knows. Maybe when Little Adam Schitt retires I can take over his
Twitter account.

[Steven M. Galbraith]

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:03:21 PM UTC-5, jecorb...@yahoo.com wrote:

If Paine's assigned "role" was to implicate Oswald, to help frame him then
she could have said far more damaging things then she did. If you read her
testimonies or watch the above, she really says few things that directly
implicate Oswald in the assassination. Direct as in first hand evidence.

She could have said that he expressed hatred towards JFK. Or that she
found the rifle in the garage and he told her he was going to get rid of
it. Or that she saw him leave that morning with a large package. Et
cetera, et cetera.

Those are the types of statements - direct evidence - that these alleged
framers of Oswald would want. As the conspiracists and Oswald defenders
say - with some merit - there's little evidence as to why Oswald would
kill JFK. And there's less than solid evidence about him bringing the
rifle that day. Paine would be an ideal witness to bridge these
shortcomings.

The fact that she didn't say the above, that she had no direct evidence of
his involvement should be considered by those who say she was part of the
conspiracy.

But in conspiracy land facts and logic and reason are CIA plots used by
the rich bastards who have ruined the country. Because for cranks
everything support their misanthropic view of the world.

[Steven M. Galbraith]

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:03:24 PM UTC-5, David Von Pein wrote:

Dave: People who have no compassion, who have no kindness are incapable of
seeing it in others. Since they are miserable and filled with hate, they
can only assume that everyone else is similarly made.

Many of the conspiracy people are fine individuals who believe a great
wrong was done. But some of them are just awful, twisted people. We see
that a lot with conspiracy thinking; conspiracies attract angry
individuals who hate the world.

[Mark]

That's what you have to say to this newsgroup, after 19efppp trashed an
innocent woman?

Apparently your T.D.S. kicked in hard.

I'll take a guess. You too think Ruth Paine was involved in the murder of
President Kennedy? Mark

[donald willis]

On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 6:08:02 PM UTC-8, Mark wrote:
> On Sunday, December 15, 2019 at 10:12:54 AM UTC-6, donald willis wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 8:03:21 PM UTC-8, jecorb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 2:41:21 PM UTC-5, 19efppp wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 4:27:27 PM UTC-5, Steven M. Galbraith wrote:
> > > > > Recorded on November 19 of this year and just uploaded:
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kypq5Fs_5PE
> > > >
> > > > Somewhat sad, really. Ruth is like Sinatra in his last years, just
> > > > stumbling around and forgetting her lines. Now it was Marina and not Odum
> > > > who asked for the ring. She probably spends most of her time envying the
> > > > mysteriously dead, who died in their primes with all their faculties
> > > > intact. That Jada! She knew how to live and she knew how to die, getting
> > > > hit by a bus while riding her motorcycle. That's the way to go, not
> > > > lingering around for years in a Friends hospice, watching movies of folk
> > > > dances and gumming down the oatmeal. Very sad indeed.
> > >
> > > Spewing venom like that, you seem to have what it takes to be a Democrat
> > > congressman.
> >
> > Venom thy name is Trump.
>
> That's what you have to say to this newsgroup, after 19efppp trashed an
> innocent woman?
>

I was responding to Corbett's political ploy, Mr. Huffy.

[Mark]

Do you believe Ruth Paine was involved in President Kennedy's murder?
Mark

[donald willis]

I have never given her any thought. I deal mainly with the time period
(and places) covered by the DPD radio logs, from about 12:15 to 1:50.
They are about the only thing I trust. Apparently, they could not be
altered, or else several transmissions would have been altered or
eliminated, such as Sgt. Hill's "auto 38". Instead, Hill had to lie to
the Commission re sending it, and Henslee had to attribute it to others.

dcw

[Mark]

Fascinating that you don't think her story is important enough to know
about.

And are the radio logs from 12:15 to 1:50 truly "about the only thing" you
trust?

EVERYTHING else is tainted -- fake or altered? Mark

[Anthony Marsh]

Logs? You mean transcripts? Which ones? The first ones which were poorly
done or the next ones which corrected some of the errors? Or the ones
done by researchers? Or the one that I helped edit?

[Mark]

I was obviously replying to Donald's reliance on the radio logs. You'll
have to ask him.

[donald willis]

I'm not interested in pre-Dealey dealings. Or post-Oak Cliff.

> And are the radio logs from 12:15 to 1:50 truly "about the only thing" you
> trust?
>
> EVERYTHING else is tainted -- fake or altered? Mark

No, I just believe that only the DPD logs CAN'T have been altered.
There's so much incriminating stuff in them....

dcw

[donald willis]

No, not transcripts. Transcriber Henslee is at the heart of the cover-up.

[Mark]

That's an unusual way to go about trying to determine if the main suspect,
Oswald, was guilty or innocent.

To not care about what he did and said in the year or weeks leading up to
the murder of the POTUS?, and to not care about what he said after his
arrest (which I'm guessing is what you mean by post-Oak Cliff)? Mark

[donald willis]

What he said & did earlier is mainly he-said, she-said stuff,
unverifiable. I have to take back the phrase "post-Oak Cliff", though.
What Oswald and the authorities and the witnesses said in subsequent days
& years is of great interest to me.

dcw

[hrtshpdbox]

On Sunday, December 15, 2019 at 11:12:46 AM UTC-5, 19efppp wrote:

> Jeez! I said she was like Sinatra.

The Sinatra who told DiMaggio to back off when Dimaggio tried to stop Sam
Giancana from drugging Marilyn Monroe and passing her around to his fellow
thugs, the day before they killed her at JFK's behest? That Sinatra?

[19efppp]

No. The one that sang "Mrs. Robinson." Jilly loves her more than she will
know.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/jacqueline-kennedy-onassis-frank-sinatra-and-bodyguard-jilly-rizzo-picture-id547406299

Mine is fine as wine, and I should know.

Ho ho ho.

Whats' that you say, Mrs. Robinson

[Anthony Marsh]

BS

[Mark]

I agree with you, but why give the crazy trolls a reply. Mark

[Calvin Ye]

I agree with you. Paine was a liar. She was not as innocent as the
Lone-wolfers claimed to be.

[Mark]

What did she lie about? Mark

[19efppp]

She's either a liar, or very stupid. Lee and Marina said she was stupid.
And she did take offense at somebody "lying" with her typewriter, so they
may have a point. But, there are very few people in this story I would
trust. I feel well disposed to Marrion Baker, Bobby Hargis, Clyde Haygood,
Luke Mooney, Victoria Adams, and Rosemary Willis. Not sure about the rest
of them.

[donald willis]

Yeah, Haygood was told what to say and to say not a word more.

[Mark]

LHO and even Marina saying Ruth Paine was "stupid" is really rich. I
mean, Lee was such a rocket scientist.

Stupid, no. A bit naive and overly trusting? Perhaps. Mark

[19efppp]

Clyde didn't have much choice at the point. He wouldn't want his brakes to
suddenly fail or to die in a friendly game of Russian Roulette or nuthin.

[19efppp]

I agree. It's very rich. But Marina agreed, sort of. I think she said,
"She's not very smart." She does project a sort of airhead quality. Maybe
that's just an act. Maybe she's the master spook.

[Anthony Marsh]

Even if she ever lied about anything that does not make her a
conspirator. She may lie to feel that she is supporting or protecting
Marina. I don't think she liked Lee.

[jecorb...@yahoo.com]

This is one important reason the CTs lack credibility. They expect us to
believe that most of the people involved in this case lied about it in
order to cover up the truth of what happened.

I believe most if not all of these people told the truth to the best of
the ability. I also believe that being human and having fallible memories,
they didn't always get every detail correct. By analyzing what they told
us and comparing that to what other witnesses have said as well as the
body of physical evidence, we still get a very clear picture of what
happened. Oswald fired the shots that killed JFK and there is no credible
evidence he had a single accomplice.

[donald willis]

Ah ha!

[donald willis]

Could I borrow your rose-colored glasses?

[Mark]

Does that answer mean you believe the tales of early death at the hands of
roving conspiracy-commanded murder squads? Or perhaps just one really
busy squad? Mark

[Mark]

Cite for that? Mark

[donald willis]

No and No

[donald willis]

His testimony. He falsely claimed that he sent the 12:37 "second window"
radio transmission, and swore that he knew nothing about the person who
told him that, although the dispatcher earlier told him to get info from
the witnesses!

dcw

[Mark]

Well, damn, Donald, you might not be as hopeless as I thought. Wait, on
second thought . . . yeah, you still are! Mark

[Jason Burke]

O. M. G.! as the kids say.
Donald has just proven conspiracy!
In his own mind.
Which counts for absolutely nothing.
But you go, boy!

[19efppp]

Clyde explained all that. He didn't get their info because...

Mr. HAYGOOD. Because I was told to go to the School Book Depository
Building.

Who told Clyde to go to the TSBD? Daffy McWatters?

[donald willis]

Oscar Wilde lives!

[donald willis]

Patrolman "Little" Hill was told by the dispatcher to report to the TSBD
("JFK First Day Evidence" p408), but there was no radio directive for
Haygood to trot on down there....

dcw

[19efppp]

That's right. Clyde was not told over the radio. Just like Deputy Mooney
said when he first went on the record, somebody came up to him and told
him to go to the TSBD. A living legend in the flesh. A living legend that
will go on being a legend long after other living legends have died. And
when a living legend tells you to go to the TSBD, then you drop everything
and you go there. That's what Luke Mooney did, and Clyde Haygood, too. We
have the film of Clyde going to the TSBD through the railroad yard. That's
where he went, and he told the WC that somebody told him to do so. He did
not say who. Luke Mooney stopped saying who after he said so once. Why?
Because the living legend was not supposed to be there. He was supposed to
be in Chief Curry's car on the way to Parkland Hospital. But he was there
in Dealey Plaza, and he told Clyde and Luke to go to the TSBD.

[donald willis]

I seem to recall that Haygood & Brewer went into the building together,
some time before Fritz deposited the shells in the "nest", since Haygood
(in his HSCA interview) did not recall seeing shells in the "nest"....

dcw

[19efppp]

Go ahead and talk about something else, but a living legend in the flesh
told Mooney and Haygood to go to the TSBD. That's why he did not get the
witness information.

[Anthony Marsh]

YOU prove conspiracy every day.
Way to go!

[donald willis]

I guess I've forgotten the appropriate passages of Mooney and Haygood's
testimonies.

[Anthony Marsh]

For the record, Fritz the KLutz did not bring Carcano shells from his
office and throw them into the sniper's nest. He picked up shells from the
floor and carefully put them near the window.

He was observed and filmed by Alyea.

> dcw
>

[19efppp]

You're not trying hard enough. You should have Will Fritz picking up
shells on Sanibel Island and dancing with Clay Shaw at Mar-a-Lago.

[donald willis]

So Alyea says. But when the shells were originally found, about 12:55 (as
per Mooney), Alyea was photographed on the 7th floor.

[InsideSparta]

So, according to your accusation, it was Fritz' responsibility to plant
the shells in the sniper's nest. If so, why did Fritz go to Parkland
Hospital immediately after the shooting if he was supposed to go up onto
the 6th floor of the TSBD and plant shells? Once again, another of your
silly accusations falls to pieces when logic is factored into the
equation.

[donald willis]

Parkland was a nice cover story. Fritz didn't have to be there at the
discovery of the shells in order to pick them up. Notice how his virtual
denial that he picked them up has fooled you all these years?

[Anthony Marsh]

Yoou're not supposed to think of common sense questions like that.
Do you know which newsgroup you are in?

[InsideSparta]

Earlier you stated that Captain Fritz "deposited" the shells in the
sniper's nest, and now you say he "picked them up". Which is it? Either
way, it makes no sense whatsoever for Fritz to have proceeded to Parkland
Hospital if his plans were to do something nefarious with the shells that
were found in the 6th floor window sniper's nest. Why would he need a trip
to Parkland as a cover? There would have been nothing strange for him to
have had is car exit off the Stemmons Freeway and turn around and return
to Dealey Plaza. As an investigator, that is the more logical place for
him to have been. How does a trip to Parkland provide "cover" for him? If
he was supposed to "deposit" the shells, or change them in anyway, how
could he have been certain that some news photographer or cameraman (like
Alyea) wouldn't have photographed the sniper's nest before he got there?
Your theory falls apart with simple logic.

[donald willis]

Yes & yes. He picked up the shells elsewhere and deposited them in the
supposed "nest". Alyea actually said that he gave the shells to Det.
Studebaker to deposit in the "nest".

[Mark]

Once Donald is made to get off his be-all-and-end-all witness testimony
that allows him to find contradictions, anomalies, and cover-my-pride fibs
-- and get him into the world of known 11/22 facts -- he's lost. Mark

[donald willis]

Okay, let's look at a "known 11/22 fact": At 12:47, Patrolman LL Hill
radioed re shots from the "second window from the end". Perhaps this was
a witness error, but why was this witness never ID'd? Why was the radio
transmission mis-attributed to Patrolman Clyde Haygood, at the hearings?
Why did the Warren Report itself, however, contradict Haygood and
re-attribute it to Hill?

I'm guessing that either (a) YOU'RE lost, or (b) you don't care about
puzzles which lie outside your core beliefs re the assassination, and
won't put down your blinders even for a minute.

dcw

[Steven M. Galbraith]

Well who placed them there: Fritz or Studebaker? Your own story is at
odds. You forgot to mention that Alyea said he saw them in the nest BEFORE
Fritz gave them back to Studebaker to be placed there to be photographed.

This is from Alyea's account:

"The height of the stack of boxes was a minimum of 5 ft. I looked over the
barricade and saw three shell casings laying on the floor in front of the
second window in the two window casement. They were scattered in an area
that could be covered by a bushel basket. They were located about half way
between the inside of the barricade. I set my lens focus at the estimated
distance from the camera to the floor and held the camera over the top of
the barricade and filmed them before anybody went into the enclosure. I
could not position my eye to the camera's view finder to get the shot.
After filming the casings with my wide angle lens, from a height of 5 ft.,
I asked Captain Fritz, who was standing at my side, if I could go behind
the barricade and get a close-up shot of the casings. He told me that it
would be better if I got my shots from outside the barricade. He then
rounded the pile of boxes and entered the enclosure. This was the first
time anybody walked between the barricade and the windows."

"Fritz then walked to the casings, picked them up and held them in his
hand over the top of the boxes for me to get a close-up shot of the
evidence."

Then later this: "Over thirty minutes later, after the rifle was
discovered and the crime lab arrived, Capt. Fritz reached into his pocket
and handed the casings to Det. Studebaker to include in the photographs he
would take of the sniper's nest crime scene."

So Alyea's account is that he saw the casings on the floor, Fritz picked
them up and pocketed them. Then later Fritz gave them to Studebaker to put
back for photographing.

But there's nothing in his account indicating that Fritz put them when
they were first discovered.

Alyea's admittedly confusing account is here:
http://www.jfk-online.com/alyea.html

[donald willis]

I used to accept this account, but a fellow researcher has determined that
Alyea was at a 7th-floor window at the time (12:55) that the shells were
discovered, on some floor below that. Since learning this, I have
discounted Alyea's story.

dcw

[InsideSparta]

Please provide the source for your statement that Fritz "picked up the
shells elsewhere". Who saw him pick them up elsewhere, and where did they
state that location was? If you can't provide a documented statement by
someone that said they saw Fritz pick the shells up in a location other
than the south east 6th floor sniper's nest, then we can pretty much file
your statement as an opinion, rather than a fact. This is very typical of
a CT'er. They often state an opinion as if it were a fact.

[InsideSparta]

What researcher? Where did he publish this opinion? What was his back-up
evidence to make such a claim? Did he provide any back-up evidence, or did
you simply accept his opinion because it fits your own personal narrative?

[Anthony Marsh]

Excuse me?His theory seems to be that Fritz brought some Oswald Carcano
shells to PLANT in the TSBD. I think that's crazy, but Fritz dd pick up
shells he found in the TSBD and then dropped them onto the floor in a
different location.

> way, it makes no sense whatsoever for Fritz to have proceeded to Parkland
> Hospital if his plans were to do something nefarious with the shells that

Hey, now wait a second. No common sense allowed here, especially when
trying to develop a theory.

> were found in the 6th floor window sniper's nest. Why would he need a trip
> to Parkland as a cover? There would have been nothing strange for him to

Gee, you're not trying hard enough. Maybe he wanted to go to the
hospital to try to find BULLETS!

> have had is car exit off the Stemmons Freeway and turn around and return
> to Dealey Plaza. As an investigator, that is the more logical place for
> him to have been. How does a trip to Parkland provide "cover" for him? If

You mean illogical to investigate the TSBD? Or just Dealey Plaza in
general?

[Anthony Marsh]

awhy don't you claim that he picked up the shells on the fifth floor and
carried them up to the sixth floor? If you think the real shooter was on
the fifth floor, what happened to those shells? Did the real shooter take
them home? Or eat them?

[donald willis]

It was 19efppp, right here, on this newsgroup. Directed me to a photo,
online, of Alyea in a 7th-floor window, at just about the time that Alyea
said he was at the shells discovery, that is, about 12:55.

dcw

[donald willis]

Well, you're welcome to your own speculation as to why Fritz picked up the
shells. If he did NOT pick them up elsewhere, then either they were the
"wrong" kind of shells or the "wrong" number. Now, if you believe that
there was actually an innocent explanation for his action, then why did he
all-but-deny picking them up? Why couldn't he admit it?

dcw

[donald willis]

Isn't that what I've been saying all along?

[Anthony Marsh]

WHAT THE HELL does that mean?

I see no indication that Frtz the Klutz was smart enough to know the
ejection pattern of Oswald's Carcano and knew exactly where to plan EACH
shell to match which shot. Even YOU are not smart enough to figure that
out.

> Alyea's admittedly confusing account is here:
> http://www.jfk-online.com/alyea.html
>

Not all confused. YOU are confused.

>
>
>

[InsideSparta]

19efppp?? That's who you're basing your theory on? The guy that believes
Jackie Kennedy was in on the assassination and actually gave signals to
the conspirators as the motorcade drove through Dealey Plaza? Anyone
that's relying on the beliefs of 19efppp to back-up their own theories of
conspiracy is simply desperate for any semblance of evidence, and I use
the term "evidence" very loosely.

[donald willis]

No. Read more carefully. I'm basing my take on Alyea on his testimony
and the photo which matches it.

dcw

[19efppp]

Yes. Never base anything on what I say. The murderers want to shift the
focus away from the evidence and onto me.

[Anthony Marsh]

I like 20efppp better. He's older and more mature.

[InsideSparta]

Please site when and where Alyea gave "testimony".

[Anthony Marsh]

Site? Dallas, Texas.

[donald willis]

Caught me! I slipped. Meant "his writings and the photo"....

[InsideSparta]

In what legal proceeding did he provide this said testimony?

[19efppp]

That's good and he deserves it, too. This quibbling about "testimony" is
just being obnoxious. "Testimony" is not restricted to raising your right
hand and setting the other upon a bible and accepting the threat of
perjury charges. But the poster just wants to be argumentative and
obnoxious. Maybe you know the type.

[InsideSparta]

So, the guy that has publicly accused Jackie Kennedy of being complicit in
the murder of her own husband is now referring to another contributor on
this site as being "obnoxious"? That's rich. If you find me obnoxious
because I demand actual evidence and put a lot of weight on what people
say under oath versus when they're not being held accountable for what
they say, then so be it. I won't say what I actually think of you and the
vile things you say about innocent people.

[donald willis]

This isn't the first time someone's been called here on a loose use of the
word "testimony". It may have been me who got called before, too, I'm not
sure. I will probably make the "mistake" again. If IS weren't an LN,
McAdams probably would call it nitpicking.... (Hi, John!)

dcw

[19efppp]

You used the word properly. "Testimony" can mean that you just said so. It
is carping to argue about the word. Anybody genuinely concerned would have
simply pointed out that you were not talking about sworn testimony. Our
friend here is just trying to be nasty because that's the only game he can
win.

[hrtshpdbox]

On Friday, January 17, 2020 at 1:36:49 PM UTC-5, Mark wrote:
>
>
> I agree with you, but why give the crazy trolls a reply. Mark


Oh, dude. I've probably posted here longer than you have (I think I
started in 1997). And I read the one-volume Warren Report when it came
out; I was eight (no kidding, my relatives yelled at my Mom for letting
me). You're not interested, of course, but I'm in the "Oswald did it but
sure had some funny friends and curious meanderings but I'm not obligated
to present some airtight theory just because I don't buy the lone nut
story" camp. Crazy, maybe (who's not?), but not a troll.

[hrtshpdbox]

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 4:43:43 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:

> BS

No, pretty sure it's true, Marsh. And it fits in with a phenomena I've
noticed, i.e. how the story (of anything) seems to get more dire as time
goes on. When Monroe died, everyone knew she was having an affair with
JFK, and figured she'd taken sleeping pills. Then the story evolves into
Lawford being there to visit her at her hotel, and Bobby. And Lawford's
doctor. But I do think that Sinatra (who had been Dimaggio's friend and
once helped Joe spy on Marilyn) told Joe to back off; Sinatra knew what
was going on. And that's pretty awful, dontcha' think?

[Anthony Marsh]

On 2/17/2020 5:34 PM, hrtshpdbox wrote:
> On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 4:43:43 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>
>> BS
>
> No, pretty sure it's true, Marsh. And it fits in with a phenomena I've
> noticed, i.e. how the story (of anything) seems to get more dire as time
> goes on. When Monroe died, everyone knew she was having an affair with

Everyone thought that, but she was no.

> JFK, and figured she'd taken sleeping pills. Then the story evolves into
> Lawford being there to visit her at her hotel, and Bobby. And Lawford's
> doctor. But I do think that Sinatra (who had been Dimaggio's friend and
> once helped Joe spy on Marilyn) told Joe to back off; Sinatra knew what
> was going on. And that's pretty awful, dontcha' think?
>

Well, Sinatra was pretty awful.

[donald willis]

My mother thought so. But my brother-in-law, who worked in Vegas, met
Sinatra and had nice chats with him.