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Oct 12, 2018, 11:35:02 PM10/12/18
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Dallas, 1963: 'City of Hate'?
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2013/11/dallas-1963-city-hate/7244/
Mark Byrnes Nov 22, 2013
About the Author Mark Byrnes is a senior associate editor at
CityLab who writes about design and architecture.
In the wake of the Kennedy assassination, Dallas was reviled as
a hotbed for right wing agitators. Was the reputation deserved?
In the wake of President John F. Kennedy's assassination,
Dallas earned a new moniker -- the "City of Hate."
It's a damning nickname. Is it fair?
Fifty years ago, Dallas was the nation's right-wing "center
for resistance," says Steven Davis, one of the co-authors
of the recently released Dallas 1963. The city had a handful
of radical Kennedy opponents, including congressman
Bruce Alger. Alger once organized an anti-Lyndon Johnson
rally that ended with the Texas senator and his wife being
spat upon.
It also served as the headquarters for gubernatorial candidate
and John Birch Society supporter Edwin Walker, who organized
an anti-UN protest in 1963 that ended with ambassador Adlai
Stevenson being hit in the head with a sign post. Ted Dealey,
publisher of the Dallas Morning News, once told President
Kennedy (at a White House luncheon, no less), "we need a man
on horseback to lead this nation, and many people in Texas and
the Southwest think that you are riding Caroline's [Kennedy's
daughter] tricycle." The city did not even desegregate its schools
until 1961.
After President Kennedy's assassination, Dallasites faced years of
trouble while traveling around the country. They were sometimes
even denied service because of their hometown.
What most non-Texans didn't realize was that the city had a more
glamorous and cultured side as well. It was home to new luxury
apartment towers, a Frank Lloyd Wright-designed theater and the
flagship location of Nieman Marcus. The Fort Worth hotel Kennedy
stayed at on his final night transformed his suite into a room filled
with sculptures and paintings by Monet, Picasso, and Van Gogh.
As the decade progressed, the stars of Dallas's extremist culture
faded. Alger lost reelection in 1964, Walker never held office,
and Dealey passed away in 1969. As racial and political tensions
brought turmoil to other cities across the country in the following
years, it became clear that while Dallas certainly had an ugly side,
the "City of Hate" nickname was perhaps unfair.
Dallas, 1963: 'City of Hate'?
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2013/11/dallas-1963-city-hate/7244/
Mark Byrnes Nov 22, 2013
About the Author Mark Byrnes is a senior associate editor at
CityLab who writes about design and architecture.
In the wake of the Kennedy assassination, Dallas was reviled as
a hotbed for right wing agitators. Was the reputation deserved?
In the wake of President John F. Kennedy's assassination,
Dallas earned a new moniker -- the "City of Hate."
It's a damning nickname. Is it fair?
Fifty years ago, Dallas was the nation's right-wing "center
for resistance," says Steven Davis, one of the co-authors
of the recently released Dallas 1963. The city had a handful
of radical Kennedy opponents, including congressman
Bruce Alger. Alger once organized an anti-Lyndon Johnson
rally that ended with the Texas senator and his wife being
spat upon.
It also served as the headquarters for gubernatorial candidate
and John Birch Society supporter Edwin Walker, who organized
an anti-UN protest in 1963 that ended with ambassador Adlai
Stevenson being hit in the head with a sign post. Ted Dealey,
publisher of the Dallas Morning News, once told President
Kennedy (at a White House luncheon, no less), "we need a man
on horseback to lead this nation, and many people in Texas and
the Southwest think that you are riding Caroline's [Kennedy's
daughter] tricycle." The city did not even desegregate its schools
until 1961.
After President Kennedy's assassination, Dallasites faced years of
trouble while traveling around the country. They were sometimes
even denied service because of their hometown.
What most non-Texans didn't realize was that the city had a more
glamorous and cultured side as well. It was home to new luxury
apartment towers, a Frank Lloyd Wright-designed theater and the
flagship location of Nieman Marcus. The Fort Worth hotel Kennedy
stayed at on his final night transformed his suite into a room filled
with sculptures and paintings by Monet, Picasso, and Van Gogh.
As the decade progressed, the stars of Dallas's extremist culture
faded. Alger lost reelection in 1964, Walker never held office,
and Dealey passed away in 1969. As racial and political tensions
brought turmoil to other cities across the country in the following
years, it became clear that while Dallas certainly had an ugly side,
the "City of Hate" nickname was perhaps unfair.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 13, 2018, 8:55:38 PM10/13/18
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On 10/12/2018 11:34 PM, claviger wrote:
> CITYLAB
>
> Dallas, 1963: 'City of Hate'?
> https://www.citylab.com/equity/2013/11/dallas-1963-city-hate/7244/
>
> Mark Byrnes Nov 22, 2013
> About the Author Mark Byrnes is a senior associate editor at
> CityLab who writes about design and architecture.
>
> In the wake of the Kennedy assassination, Dallas was reviled as
> a hotbed for right wing agitators. Was the reputation deserved?
>
>
> In the wake of President John F. Kennedy's assassination,
> Dallas earned a new moniker -- the "City of Hate."
> It's a damning nickname. Is it fair?
>
False. Even before the JFK asssassination Dallas was called the City of
> CITYLAB
>
> Dallas, 1963: 'City of Hate'?
> https://www.citylab.com/equity/2013/11/dallas-1963-city-hate/7244/
>
> Mark Byrnes Nov 22, 2013
> About the Author Mark Byrnes is a senior associate editor at
> CityLab who writes about design and architecture.
>
> In the wake of the Kennedy assassination, Dallas was reviled as
> a hotbed for right wing agitators. Was the reputation deserved?
>
>
> In the wake of President John F. Kennedy's assassination,
> Dallas earned a new moniker -- the "City of Hate."
> It's a damning nickname. Is it fair?
>
Hate. Especially after Adlai Stevenson was attacked.
I've corrected you many times on this and still you keep posting false
information. There is no other possible reason for you to keep doing this.
Retropolis
JFK in the ???City of Hate???: How Dallas earned its ugly label before the
assassination
President John F. Kennedy, first lady Jacqueline Kennedy and Texas Gov.
John Connally ride in a limousine moments before Kennedy was
assassinated in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. (Walt Cisco/Dallas Morning
News/Reuters)
By Rachel Siegel
November 22, 2017
At 12:21 p.m. on Nov. 22, 1963, John F. Kennedy???s presidential limousine
turned onto Main Street in downtown Dallas. More than 150,000 people
turned out along the motorcade???s 10-mile route, including one man, rifle
in hand, perched beside a sixth-floor window overlooking Dealey Plaza.
The shots rang out nine minutes later, striking Kennedy and Texas Gov.
John Connally and sending the open-air limo speeding toward Parkland
Memorial Hospital.
Roughly one hour after his initial bulletin, Walter Cronkite paused
before breaking the news: ???From Dallas, Texas, the flash apparently
official: President Kennedy died at 1 p.m. Central Standard Time.???
Lee Harvey Oswald???s fatal shot killed America???s 35th president, sending
the nation into shock and mourning.
[How America mourned John F. Kennedy: Images of grief for a fallen
president]
It also sealed Dallas???s international reputation as the ???City of Hate.???
Unlike Los Angeles after the 1968 killing of Sen. Robert F. Kennedy or
even Memphis after the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr., Dallas
carried the unique burden as the place where ???something like this was
bound to happen,??? said Stephen Fagin, curator of the Sixth Floor Museum
at Dealey Plaza.
???For so many people, Dallas the community was held accountable for the
death of the president,??? Fagin said.
Fagin points to three incidents ??? all of which took place in Dallas ???
that preceded Kennedy???s assassination and helped fuel the City of Hate
label. All stemmed from Dallas???s modest but powerful concentration of
right-wing extremists who vilified Democrats as soft on communism and
found a political home in one of Texas???s most conservative and wealthy
cities.
The first took place on Nov. 4, 1960, four days before the election that
put Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson in the White House.
On his last major campaign swing through his home state of Texas, Johnson,
then the Senate majority leader, was due to give a speech at a downtown
Dallas hotel. Republicans in town were also staging a major event that
day, with hundreds converging outside the hotel ???to show the Senate
majority leader was not welcome,??? Fagin said.
Vice presidential candidate Lyndon B. Johnson and his wife, Lady Bird
Johnson, move through a crowd of hostile protesters in 1960. (John
Mazziotta/Johnson Presidential Library)
Johnson was given the option of taking a back entrance to reach the
speaking venue across the street, but chose instead to walk through the
crowd, Lady Bird at his side. Photographs circulated nationwide showed
screaming, hostile protesters barricading the street to block the Johnsons
from crossing. One grabbed Lady Bird???s gloves and tossed them in the
gutter.
???They were a small group of demonstrators so extreme in their actions
that they helped to characterize Dallas,??? Fagin said.
The second incident to mar Dallas???s reputation took place at a White
House luncheon hosted by Kennedy, now the president, for a group of Texas
newspaper publishers in October 1961. At the table was Ted Dealey, then
the publisher of the Dallas Morning News and the son of George Bannerman
Dealey, for whom Dealey Plaza is named.
During the lunch, Dealey told Kennedy ???that the country needs a man on
horseback, and Kennedy is riding around on Caroline???s tricycle,??? Fagin
said. It was not so much the political criticism that irked Kennedy but
rather the involvement of his 3-year-old daughter.
After Dealey???s confrontation with Kennedy, Jim Chambers, then the
publisher of the competing Dallas Times Herald, told the president that
Dealey didn???t represent all of Dallas and apologized on behalf of the
city, Fagin said.
[JFK???s last birthday: Gifts, champagne and wandering hands on the
presidential yacht]
The final incident coincided with Adlai Stevenson???s visit to town in
October 1963. Stevenson, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations,
came to Dallas to give a speech, and ultraconservative demonstrators
infiltrated the crowd. One man used a bullhorn to chastise Stevenson and
disrupt the speech???s broadcast.
Protesters gathered outside a speech by Adlai Stevenson in October 1963.
(Bill Winfrey Collection/Dallas Morning News/Sixth Floor Museum at
Dealey Plaza)
Upon leaving the auditorium, Stevenson came upon roughly 100
demonstrators behind a barricade, including one particularly agitated
woman. As Stevenson walked over to talk to her, a man nearby spit on
him, and the woman whacked him on the head with her sign.
Stevenson cautioned Kennedy about the trip he would be taking to Dallas
one month later, Fagin said.
Jeffrey Engel, director of the Center for Presidential History at
Southern Methodist University, said that after Kennedy???s assassination,
history was often read in reverse by those who said ???it makes sense that
Kennedy was killed there.???
???It creates an incredible irony,??? Engel said. ???The ???City of Hate???
rhetoric paints Dallas as a center of right-wing, hawkish nationalism.
Kennedy was killed by a left-wing person.???
And then the nation watched as Oswald was shot to death on live
television by nightclub owner Jack Ruby at Dallas police headquarters.
Lee Harvey Oswald winces as Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby shoots at
him from point-blank range in a corridor of Dallas police headquarters
on Nov. 24, 1963. (AP/Dallas Times-Herald)
How Dallas could climb back from its terrible fame rested largely in
rebranding the city in the American psyche. The success of the Dallas
Cowboys, who gradually earned the nickname ???America???s Team,??? played
its part. And the popular television show ???Dallas,??? a soap opera about
Texas oil magnates, helped shift the narrative from ??? ???Who shot
JFK???? to ???Who shot J.R.???? ??? Fagin said.
The empty sixth floor of the former Texas School Book Depository
Building, circa 1987-1988. (Institutional Archives/Sixth Floor Museum at
Dealey Plaza)
But what to do with the Texas School Book Depository, which housed the
sixth-floor office space where Oswald found his target, posed the most
charged questions on how to repurpose the scene of the crime. The early
1970s saw efforts to tear down the building, and it remained vacant for
several years. Dallas County acquired the building in 1977, and in 1989,
a historical exhibition on the assassination opened in the building???s
sixth floor.
About 350,000 people visit the museum each year. Many Americans remain
skeptical that Oswald acted alone, polls show, and new releases of
classified records about the assassination in recent weeks have generated
headlines around the world.
???There was a societal need to do justice to an act like the Kennedy
assassination by remembering it properly,??? Fagin said.
On the day of the museum???s opening, a front-page headline in the Dallas
Times Herald read, ???Today We Stand Whole Again.???
Read more Retropolis:
How America mourned John F. Kennedy: Images of grief for a fallen
president
Strippers, surveillance and assassination plots: The wildest JFK Files
A huge trove of JFK assassination files reveal [REDACTED]
Zapruder captured JFK???s assassination in riveting detail. ???It brought
him nothing but heartbreak.???
JFK???s last birthday: Gifts, champagne and wandering hands on the
presidential yacht
JFK assassination conspiracy theories: The grassy knoll, Umbrella Man,
LBJ and Ted Cruz???s dad
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claviger
Oct 16, 2018, 1:52:06 PM10/16/18
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On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 7:55:38 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 10/12/2018 11:34 PM, claviger wrote:
> > CITYLAB
> >
> > Dallas, 1963: 'City of Hate'?
> > https://www.citylab.com/equity/2013/11/dallas-1963-city-hate/7244/
> > Mark Byrnes Nov 22, 2013
> > About the Author Mark Byrnes is a senior associate editor at
> > CityLab who writes about design and architecture.
> > In the wake of the Kennedy assassination, Dallas was reviled as
> > a hotbed for right wing agitators. Was the reputation deserved?
> > In the wake of President John F. Kennedy's assassination,
> > Dallas earned a new moniker -- the "City of Hate."
> > It's a damning nickname. Is it fair?
> False. Even before the JFK asssassination Dallas was called the City of
> Hate. Especially after Adlai Stevenson was attacked.
Since you believe in the concept of Collective Guilt based on what one
> On 10/12/2018 11:34 PM, claviger wrote:
> > CITYLAB
> >
> > Dallas, 1963: 'City of Hate'?
> > https://www.citylab.com/equity/2013/11/dallas-1963-city-hate/7244/
> > Mark Byrnes Nov 22, 2013
> > About the Author Mark Byrnes is a senior associate editor at
> > CityLab who writes about design and architecture.
> > In the wake of the Kennedy assassination, Dallas was reviled as
> > a hotbed for right wing agitators. Was the reputation deserved?
> > In the wake of President John F. Kennedy's assassination,
> > Dallas earned a new moniker -- the "City of Hate."
> > It's a damning nickname. Is it fair?
> False. Even before the JFK asssassination Dallas was called the City of
> Hate. Especially after Adlai Stevenson was attacked.
single person does, you live in a City of Hate, in a State of Hate, from a
Colony of Hate. There is a familiar word in the dictionary that describes
your attitude. Look up: hypocrisy. A basic meaning is double standard.
> I've corrected you many times on this and still you keep posting false
> information.
Dallas at the Stevenson event to the rude and raucous protestors who
invaded the US Capitol during recent Senate hearings. They ambushed
various Senators in hallways, elevators, and barged into offices, yelling,
screaming, chanting, and probably cursing. They even trapped one Senator
in the small elevators designated For Senators Only.
This Presidential visit to the State of Texas and Dallas was just the
opposite. The big difference is civic leaders of Dallas appealed to all
citizens no matter what political beliefs to welcome the President and
First Lady with traditional Texas hospitality. The large downtown crowds
cheered and applauded when the motorcade passed through the middle of
Dallas. One prominent member of White House staff considered this
reception a huge success.
Testimony Of Kenneth P. O'Donnell
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/odonnell.htm
> There is no other possible reason for you to keep doing this.
history of Massachusetts in high school about the awful things which took
place in the New England colonies a long time before there was even a city
called Dallas, or maybe your history text books sanitized of all the
shameful ethnic cleansing your ancestors perpetrated on Native peoples who
saved them from starvation?
Anthony Marsh
Oct 17, 2018, 9:53:37 PM10/17/18
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You are getting your colonies confused.
Not MY ancestors. Maybe YOURS.
claviger
Oct 18, 2018, 9:55:41 PM10/18/18
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Wampanoag, the tribe who saved your ancestors from starvation the first
year. The Colonists, your ancestors, thanked their kindness and human
compassion by stealing their food, burning villages, and making war on all
the other tribes to confiscate their land. Many of the survivors were sold
into slavery down in the Caribbean islands to work sugarcane plantations.
They were not used to that intense hot humid climate closer to the equator
and most of them died from the hard work in that kind of heat all day
long.
John McAdams
Oct 18, 2018, 9:58:11 PM10/18/18
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On 18 Oct 2018 21:55:39 -0400, claviger <histori...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It's kind of amusing to see you turn left-wing identity politics
against Tony Marsh. It's unfair, of course, but you are just giving
him a dose of his own rhetoric.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
wrote:
against Tony Marsh. It's unfair, of course, but you are just giving
him a dose of his own rhetoric.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
claviger
Oct 19, 2018, 8:09:18 PM10/19/18
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On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 8:58:11 PM UTC-5, John McAdams wrote:
Exactly. It is absurd to blame an entire city population for what one
agitated woman did at a public speech to an invited guest speaker.
Disrespectful yes, deadly no.
Bumping a person on the head with a pasteboard sign is very rude
but harmless compared to blasting a US Politician in the back of
the head with a bullet fired by a Marxist inspired sympathizer.
Of the two options we wish the protest woman had showed up in
Dealey Plaza on that parade day with her same tacky homemade
sign instead of the urban guerrilla sniper on the 6th floor.
agitated woman did at a public speech to an invited guest speaker.
Disrespectful yes, deadly no.
Bumping a person on the head with a pasteboard sign is very rude
but harmless compared to blasting a US Politician in the back of
the head with a bullet fired by a Marxist inspired sympathizer.
Of the two options we wish the protest woman had showed up in
Dealey Plaza on that parade day with her same tacky homemade
sign instead of the urban guerrilla sniper on the 6th floor.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 20, 2018, 5:48:48 PM10/20/18
to
On 10/18/2018 9:55 PM, claviger wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 8:53:37 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 10/16/2018 1:52 PM, claviger wrote:
>>
>>>> There is no other possible reason for you to keep doing this.
>>> Your blatant double standard is reason enough. Did you flunk the shameful
>>> history of Massachusetts in high school about the awful things which took
>>> place in the New England colonies a long time before there was even a city
>>> called Dallas, or maybe your history text books sanitized of all the
>>> shameful ethnic cleansing your ancestors perpetrated on Native peoples who
>>> saved them from starvation?
>> Blah, blah, blah. We know all that.
>> You are getting your colonies confused.
>> Not MY ancestors. Maybe YOURS.
>
> Some of my ancestors were Choctaw and Powhatan who were cousins of the
> Wampanoag, the tribe who saved your ancestors from starvation the first
Again, knock it off. You don't know where my ancestors lived and which
> On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 8:53:37 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 10/16/2018 1:52 PM, claviger wrote:
>>
>>>> There is no other possible reason for you to keep doing this.
>>> Your blatant double standard is reason enough. Did you flunk the shameful
>>> history of Massachusetts in high school about the awful things which took
>>> place in the New England colonies a long time before there was even a city
>>> called Dallas, or maybe your history text books sanitized of all the
>>> shameful ethnic cleansing your ancestors perpetrated on Native peoples who
>>> saved them from starvation?
>> Blah, blah, blah. We know all that.
>> You are getting your colonies confused.
>> Not MY ancestors. Maybe YOURS.
>
> Some of my ancestors were Choctaw and Powhatan who were cousins of the
> Wampanoag, the tribe who saved your ancestors from starvation the first
tribes were were.
> year. The Colonists, your ancestors, thanked their kindness and human
> compassion by stealing their food, burning villages, and making war on all
> the other tribes to confiscate their land. Many of the survivors were sold
> into slavery down in the Caribbean islands to work sugarcane plantations.
> They were not used to that intense hot humid climate closer to the equator
> and most of them died from the hard work in that kind of heat all day
> long.
>
>
single ME out?
Anthony Marsh
Oct 20, 2018, 5:49:05 PM10/20/18
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atttacks. He hasn't seen my family tree.
Should I link your heritage back to Bigfoot?
> .John
> -----------------------
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>
Anthony Marsh
Oct 21, 2018, 8:36:51 PM10/21/18
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pupptet." It's Pee Wee Herman logic.
> Bumping a person on the head with a pasteboard sign is very rude
> but harmless compared to blasting a US Politician in the back of
> the head with a bullet fired by a Marxist inspired sympathizer.
>
You always use violence.
And you have not proven that Oswald fired any shots.
> Of the two options we wish the protest woman had showed up in
> Dealey Plaza on that parade day with her same tacky homemade
> sign instead of the urban guerrilla sniper on the 6th floor.
>
>
>
claviger
Oct 21, 2018, 9:42:40 PM10/21/18
to
On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 4:48:48 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 10/18/2018 9:55 PM, claviger wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 8:53:37 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >> On 10/16/2018 1:52 PM, claviger wrote:
> >>
> >>>> There is no other possible reason for you to keep doing this.
> >>> Your blatant double standard is reason enough. Did you flunk the shameful
> >>> history of Massachusetts in high school about the awful things which took
> >>> place in the New England colonies a long time before there was even a city
> >>> called Dallas, or maybe your history text books sanitized of all the
> >>> shameful ethnic cleansing your ancestors perpetrated on Native peoples who
> >>> saved them from starvation?
> >> Blah, blah, blah. We know all that.
> >> You are getting your colonies confused.
> >> Not MY ancestors. Maybe YOURS.
> > Some of my ancestors were Choctaw and Powhatan who were cousins of the
> > Wampanoag, the tribe who saved your ancestors from starvation the first
> Again, knock it off. You don't know where my ancestors lived and which
> tribes were were.
What does "were were" mean? YOU are the one who promotes Collective
> On 10/18/2018 9:55 PM, claviger wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 8:53:37 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >> On 10/16/2018 1:52 PM, claviger wrote:
> >>
> >>>> There is no other possible reason for you to keep doing this.
> >>> Your blatant double standard is reason enough. Did you flunk the shameful
> >>> history of Massachusetts in high school about the awful things which took
> >>> place in the New England colonies a long time before there was even a city
> >>> called Dallas, or maybe your history text books sanitized of all the
> >>> shameful ethnic cleansing your ancestors perpetrated on Native peoples who
> >>> saved them from starvation?
> >> Blah, blah, blah. We know all that.
> >> You are getting your colonies confused.
> >> Not MY ancestors. Maybe YOURS.
> > Some of my ancestors were Choctaw and Powhatan who were cousins of the
> > Wampanoag, the tribe who saved your ancestors from starvation the first
> Again, knock it off. You don't know where my ancestors lived and which
> tribes were were.
Guilt, so by that belief system your ancestors are guilty of original sin and
you carry on that tradition with ongoing harassment of Native Americans.
> > year. The Colonists, your ancestors, thanked their kindness and human
> > compassion by stealing their food, burning villages, and making war on all
> > the other tribes to confiscate their land. Many of the survivors were sold
> > into slavery down in the Caribbean islands to work sugarcane plantations.
> > They were not used to that intense hot humid climate closer to the equator
> > and most of them died from the hard work in that kind of heat all day
> > long.
> Some. Are you including yourself in these crimes or only trying to
> single ME out?
The English colonists were invaders who terrorized the indigenous
people. The State of Massachusetts violated Federal Law by trying
to tax Native American casinos. Your ancestors were thieves back
then and still thieves to this day. Massachusetts lost the lawsuit in
Federal Court. Finally some justice for Native Americans.
Based on the concept of Collective Guilt you espouse to smear the
City of Dallas, by the same token you smear all the Massachusetts
Colonists who used ethnic cleansing to eradicate Native Americans.
Boston inherits this collective guilt. Your concept not mine, so now
you own it. Shame on your ancestors and shame on you.
claviger
Oct 21, 2018, 9:42:56 PM10/21/18
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history books.
> He hasn't seen my family tree.
> Should I link your heritage back to Bigfoot?
claviger
Oct 21, 2018, 9:43:06 PM10/21/18
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The "War on Women" began in Salem, Massachusetts in 1692.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 23, 2018, 11:15:14 AM10/23/18
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On 10/21/2018 9:42 PM, claviger wrote:
> On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 4:49:05 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 10/18/2018 9:58 PM, John McAdams wrote:
>>
>>> It's kind of amusing to see you turn left-wing identity politics
>>> against Tony Marsh. It's unfair, of course, but you are just giving
>>> him a dose of his own rhetoric.
>> So you approve of him making up false information to make personal
>> atttacks.
>
> What false information? The evil deeds of your ancestors are in many
> history books.
>
>> He hasn't seen my family tree.
>
> Are they white Europeans?
>
English from Essex.
> On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 4:49:05 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 10/18/2018 9:58 PM, John McAdams wrote:
>>
>>> It's kind of amusing to see you turn left-wing identity politics
>>> against Tony Marsh. It's unfair, of course, but you are just giving
>>> him a dose of his own rhetoric.
>> So you approve of him making up false information to make personal
>> atttacks.
>
> What false information? The evil deeds of your ancestors are in many
> history books.
>
>> He hasn't seen my family tree.
>
> Are they white Europeans?
>
Anthony Marsh
Oct 23, 2018, 11:15:25 AM10/23/18
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claviger
Oct 24, 2018, 10:34:02 PM10/24/18
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On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 10/21/2018 9:42 PM, claviger wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 4:49:05 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >> On 10/18/2018 9:58 PM, John McAdams wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's kind of amusing to see you turn left-wing identity politics
> >>> against Tony Marsh. It's unfair, of course, but you are just giving
> >>> him a dose of his own rhetoric.
> >> So you approve of him making up false information to make personal
> >> atttacks.
> > What false information? The evil deeds of your ancestors are in many
> > history books.
> >> He hasn't seen my family tree.
> > Are they white Europeans?
> English from Essex.
Did you even notice the "Indians" had an instinctive
> On 10/21/2018 9:42 PM, claviger wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 4:49:05 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >> On 10/18/2018 9:58 PM, John McAdams wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's kind of amusing to see you turn left-wing identity politics
> >>> against Tony Marsh. It's unfair, of course, but you are just giving
> >>> him a dose of his own rhetoric.
> >> So you approve of him making up false information to make personal
> >> atttacks.
> > What false information? The evil deeds of your ancestors are in many
> > history books.
> >> He hasn't seen my family tree.
> > Are they white Europeans?
> English from Essex.
compassion for all these strange white skinned new
arrivals and with much generosity, shared food with
them to keep them from starving? I even wonder if
they brought them blankets. This kindness we call
humanitarian instinct turned out to be a costly and
deadly mistake.
The leader of the Pilgrims gave thanks to God in a
prayer for sending disease to wipe out these naive
local yokels, to save colonists the effort of ethnic
cleansing, because gunpowder and lead shot was
expensive and in short supply.
After a few years there was finally enough ammo to
initiate war of conquest and extinction, making room
for more newcomers. So the Pilgrims were first to use
the "Onward Christian Soldiers" concept to justify and
expand their new real estate acquisitions.
In US history it was called "Manifest Destiny." A new
energetic Socialist leader named Hitler who studied
history then used the same basic concept as historic
justification for his master plan to rearrange the map
of Europe and called it Lebensraum, "living space".
The similarities are painfully obvious: your ancestors
were the Nazis of New England. Think about that the
next time you toss around the hate speech slur, Nazi.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 26, 2018, 9:05:07 PM10/26/18
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On 10/24/2018 10:34 PM, claviger wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 10/21/2018 9:42 PM, claviger wrote:
>>> On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 4:49:05 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>>>> On 10/18/2018 9:58 PM, John McAdams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's kind of amusing to see you turn left-wing identity politics
>>>>> against Tony Marsh. It's unfair, of course, but you are just giving
>>>>> him a dose of his own rhetoric.
>>>> So you approve of him making up false information to make personal
>>>> atttacks.
>>> What false information? The evil deeds of your ancestors are in many
>>> history books.
>>>> He hasn't seen my family tree.
>>> Are they white Europeans?
>> English from Essex.
>
> Did you even notice the "Indians" had an instinctive
> compassion for all these strange white skinned new
> arrivals and with much generosity, shared food with
> them to keep them from starving? I even wonder if
> they brought them blankets. This kindness we call
> humanitarian instinct turned out to be a costly and
> deadly mistake.
>
Most did. Some wanted to kill the invaders.
> On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 10/21/2018 9:42 PM, claviger wrote:
>>> On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 4:49:05 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>>>> On 10/18/2018 9:58 PM, John McAdams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's kind of amusing to see you turn left-wing identity politics
>>>>> against Tony Marsh. It's unfair, of course, but you are just giving
>>>>> him a dose of his own rhetoric.
>>>> So you approve of him making up false information to make personal
>>>> atttacks.
>>> What false information? The evil deeds of your ancestors are in many
>>> history books.
>>>> He hasn't seen my family tree.
>>> Are they white Europeans?
>> English from Essex.
>
> Did you even notice the "Indians" had an instinctive
> compassion for all these strange white skinned new
> arrivals and with much generosity, shared food with
> them to keep them from starving? I even wonder if
> they brought them blankets. This kindness we call
> humanitarian instinct turned out to be a costly and
> deadly mistake.
>
> The leader of the Pilgrims gave thanks to God in a
> prayer for sending disease to wipe out these naive
Europeans did.
> local yokels, to save colonists the effort of ethnic
> cleansing, because gunpowder and lead shot was
> expensive and in short supply.
>
> After a few years there was finally enough ammo to
> initiate war of conquest and extinction, making room
> for more newcomers. So the Pilgrims were first to use
> the "Onward Christian Soldiers" concept to justify and
> expand their new real estate acquisitions.
>
> In US history it was called "Manifest Destiny." A new
> energetic Socialist leader named Hitler who studied
> history then used the same basic concept as historic
> justification for his master plan to rearrange the map
> of Europe and called it Lebensraum, "living space".
>
> The similarities are painfully obvious: your ancestors
> were the Nazis of New England. Think about that the
> next time you toss around the hate speech slur, Nazi.
>
So you want to stop me from saying Nazi. Gee, I wonder why?
>
>
claviger
Oct 30, 2018, 11:01:53 AM10/30/18
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On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:05:07 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 10/24/2018 10:34 PM, claviger wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >> On 10/21/2018 9:42 PM, claviger wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 4:49:05 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >>>> On 10/18/2018 9:58 PM, John McAdams wrote:
> >>>>> It's kind of amusing to see you turn left-wing identity politics
> >>>>> against Tony Marsh. It's unfair, of course, but you are just giving
> >>>>> him a dose of his own rhetoric.
> >>>> So you approve of him making up false information to make personal
> >>>> atttacks.
> >>> What false information? The evil deeds of your ancestors are in many
> >>> history books.
> >>>> He hasn't seen my family tree.
> >>> Are they white Europeans?
> >> English from Essex.
> > Did you even notice the "Indians" had an instinctive
> > compassion for all these strange white skinned new
> > arrivals and with much generosity, shared food with
> > them to keep them from starving? I even wonder if
> > they brought them blankets. This kindness we call
> > humanitarian instinct turned out to be a costly and
> > deadly mistake.
> Most did. Some wanted to kill the invaders.
Yes, after the invaders began stealing from their food
> On 10/24/2018 10:34 PM, claviger wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >> On 10/21/2018 9:42 PM, claviger wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 4:49:05 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >>>> On 10/18/2018 9:58 PM, John McAdams wrote:
> >>>>> It's kind of amusing to see you turn left-wing identity politics
> >>>>> against Tony Marsh. It's unfair, of course, but you are just giving
> >>>>> him a dose of his own rhetoric.
> >>>> So you approve of him making up false information to make personal
> >>>> atttacks.
> >>> What false information? The evil deeds of your ancestors are in many
> >>> history books.
> >>>> He hasn't seen my family tree.
> >>> Are they white Europeans?
> >> English from Essex.
> > Did you even notice the "Indians" had an instinctive
> > compassion for all these strange white skinned new
> > arrivals and with much generosity, shared food with
> > them to keep them from starving? I even wonder if
> > they brought them blankets. This kindness we call
> > humanitarian instinct turned out to be a costly and
> > deadly mistake.
> Most did. Some wanted to kill the invaders.
cache system and taking over tribal land.
> > The leader of the Pilgrims gave thanks to God in a
> > prayer for sending disease to wipe out these naive
> No, that is not what he said. God did not sent the disease.
> The Europeans did.
http://nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/288
> > local yokels, to save colonists the effort of ethnic
> > cleansing, because gunpowder and lead shot was
> > expensive and in short supply.
> Not exactly. Just too time to resupply.
> > After a few years there was finally enough ammo to
> > initiate war of conquest and extinction, making room
> > for more newcomers. So the Pilgrims were first to use
> > the "Onward Christian Soldiers" concept to justify and
> > expand their new real estate acquisitions.
> > In US history it was called "Manifest Destiny." A new
> > energetic Socialist leader named Hitler who studied
> Socialist? They were relidious fanatics fleeing persecution.
Should Teach America A Lesson
> > history then used the same basic concept as historic
> > justification for his master plan to rearrange the map
> > of Europe and called it Lebensraum, "living space".
> No, History does not have a master plan.
> > The similarities are painfully obvious: your ancestors
> > were the Nazis of New England. Think about that the
> > next time you toss around the hate speech slur, Nazi.
> That is silly.
> So you want to stop me from saying Nazi. Gee, I wonder
> why?
miserably, just like Cuba and Venezuela. Muy triste.
claviger
Oct 31, 2018, 4:23:58 PM10/31/18
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Based on Liberal reactionary accusations to the assassination
of President Kennedy, by an outsider in the process of moving
domicile status from New Orleans to Dallas, publicly declaring
every citizen in Dallas guilty of contributing to the murderous
assault on a visiting President and Governor, Liberals have set
a dubious precedent implicating alleged collective malevolence
equal to criminal culpability.
Not only was the sniper who committed this international crime
a newcomer to Dallas, he was neither Republican nor Democrat
and in fact was a Marxist activist who sought publicity. As such
he was opposed to all Conservative and Moderate US politicians,
Democrat or Republican. LHO was particularly agitated by US
Foreign Policy toward the belligerent Marxist regime Cuba.
All this information indicates LHO could not be more opposite as
representing the cross section of Dallas political philosophy, and
by choice he was an arch enemy of everything the City of Dallas
stood for, both Democrats and Republicans. Back In those days
Democrats were still pro-American.
Given this extreme dichotomy it is insensible for the US media to
unleash guilt-by-association carpet bombing on the City of Dallas.
LHO hated everything Dallas stood for and vice versa.
Fast forward to the City of Boston, April 15, 2013. The parallels are
depressingly similar. A parade of marathon runners, many from out
of town, are passing through the downtown area with large crowds
when they along with local spectators are ambushed by two recent
immigrants with ties to Chechen rebels opposed to US democratic
ideals, especially foreign policy in the Middle East.
So using the Liberal Media template from November 22, 1963 the
City of Boston in its entirety is now on the City of Hate list, based
on the precedent of Collective Guilt initiated and promoted by the
US national media after the sniper ambush on President Kennedy
and Governor Connally.
Recent arrivals committed both atrocities, not political rivals, and
therefore, International implications to both terrorist attacks as a
justification for extreme violence to punish any US Foreign Policy
they disapprove of. LHO set a deadly precedent for future radical
internal assassins to follow.
The national media smokescreen to redirect blame on US political
rivals in 1963 provided a precedent for any future angry fanatics
to imitate, the Boston attack a horrible case in point: LHO x two.
Anthony Marsh
Nov 1, 2018, 11:26:17 PM11/1/18
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On 10/31/2018 4:23 PM, claviger wrote:
>
> Based on Liberal reactionary accusations to the assassination
What the Hell do you mean by "Liberal reactionary"?
>
> Based on Liberal reactionary accusations to the assassination
> of President Kennedy, by an outsider in the process of moving
> domicile status from New Orleans to Dallas, publicly declaring
> every citizen in Dallas guilty of contributing to the murderous
> assault on a visiting President and Governor, Liberals have set
> a dubious precedent implicating alleged collective malevolence
> equal to criminal culpability.
>
point out racism or extreme sightwing kooks? Look at what Republicans are
saying now about Steve King.
> Not only was the sniper who committed this international crime
> a newcomer to Dallas, he was neither Republican nor Democrat
> and in fact was a Marxist activist who sought publicity. As such
> he was opposed to all Conservative and Moderate US politicians,
> Democrat or Republican. LHO was particularly agitated by US
> Foreign Policy toward the belligerent Marxist regime Cuba.
>
> All this information indicates LHO could not be more opposite as
> representing the cross section of Dallas political philosophy, and
> by choice he was an arch enemy of everything the City of Dallas
> stood for, both Democrats and Republicans. Back In those days
> Democrats were still pro-American.
>
> Given this extreme dichotomy it is insensible for the US media to
> unleash guilt-by-association carpet bombing on the City of Dallas.
> LHO hated everything Dallas stood for and vice versa.
>
City of hate? I thought you should limit it to only exreme Liberals. That
fits into your hate speech agenda more.
> Fast forward to the City of Boston, April 15, 2013. The parallels are
> depressingly similar. A parade of marathon runners, many from out
> of town, are passing through the downtown area with large crowds
> when they along with local spectators are ambushed by two recent
> immigrants with ties to Chechen rebels opposed to US democratic
> ideals, especially foreign policy in the Middle East.
>
> So using the Liberal Media template from November 22, 1963 the
> City of Boston in its entirety is now on the City of Hate list, based
during the desegregation.
> on the precedent of Collective Guilt initiated and promoted by the
> US national media after the sniper ambush on President Kennedy
> and Governor Connally.
>
> Recent arrivals committed both atrocities, not political rivals, and
> therefore, International implications to both terrorist attacks as a
> justification for extreme violence to punish any US Foreign Policy
> they disapprove of. LHO set a deadly precedent for future radical
> internal assassins to follow.
>
All rumors of an internation plot must be silenced.
Obey your orders.
> The national media smokescreen to redirect blame on US political
> rivals in 1963 provided a precedent for any future angry fanatics
> to imitate, the Boston attack a horrible case in point: LHO x two.
>
claviger
Nov 3, 2018, 7:53:55 PM11/3/18
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On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 10:26:17 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 10/31/2018 4:23 PM, claviger wrote:
> >
> > Based on Liberal reactionary accusations to the assassination
> What the Hell do you mean by "Liberal reactionary"?
You overreact to various opinions on this discussion group by
> On 10/31/2018 4:23 PM, claviger wrote:
> >
> > Based on Liberal reactionary accusations to the assassination
> What the Hell do you mean by "Liberal reactionary"?
calling people Nazis. Liberals coined this term years ago to pin
a label on outspoken Conservatives, but a coin has two sides
and Liberals have become the most outspoken reactionaries
screaming, ranting, and blustering from your side of the fence.
> > of President Kennedy, by an outsider in the process of moving
> > domicile status from New Orleans to Dallas, publicly declaring
> > every citizen in Dallas guilty of contributing to the murderous
> > assault on a visiting President and Governor, Liberals have set
> > a dubious precedent implicating alleged collective malevolence
> > equal to criminal culpability.
> So, let me get this straight. You claim that ONLY Liberals are allowed to
> point out racism or extreme sightwing kooks? Look at what Republicans are
> saying now about Steve King.
one newcomer to Dallas did. While large crowds in Dallas were cheering
and applauding The President and First Lady, a Communist defector was
taking shots at the President and Leader of The Free World. This deadly
sniper was politically opposed to the USA and NATO. So why did the US
Media get it so wrong?
> > Not only was the sniper who committed this international crime
> > a newcomer to Dallas, he was neither Republican nor Democrat
> Yeah, explain what being a newcomer has to do with anything.
was a radical Marxist, the polar opposite of US Conservatives in his
political philosophy since he was 15 years old.
> > and in fact was a Marxist activist who sought publicity. As such
> Then why didn't he confess?
pretending to be a PLP (poor little patsy).
> > he was opposed to all Conservative and Moderate US politicians,
> > Democrat or Republican. LHO was particularly agitated by US
> > Foreign Policy toward the belligerent Marxist regime Cuba.
> >
> > All this information indicates LHO could not be more opposite as
> > representing the cross section of Dallas political philosophy, and
> > by choice he was an arch enemy of everything the City of Dallas
> > stood for, both Democrats and Republicans. Back In those days
> > Democrats were still pro-American.
> I think he knew that.
> > Given this extreme dichotomy it is insensible for the US media to
> > unleash guilt-by-association carpet bombing on the City of Dallas.
> > LHO hated everything Dallas stood for and vice versa.
> I don't remember the carpet bombing. Everyone in the world call it the
> City of hate? I thought you should limit it to only exreme Liberals. That
> fits into your hate speech agenda more.
Texas, as if every person who lived in this region was guilty of what one
fanatic Marxist did. US Conservatives were outspoken opposition of
Marxists and vice versa. It would be the same as blaming the whole City
of Boston for what the Tsarnaev brothers did, which is completely
ridiculous in either case.
> > Fast forward to the City of Boston, April 15, 2013. The parallels are
> > depressingly similar. A parade of marathon runners, many from out
> > of town, are passing through the downtown area with large crowds
> > when they along with local spectators are ambushed by two recent
> > immigrants with ties to Chechen rebels opposed to US democratic
> > ideals, especially foreign policy in the Middle East.
> Not the same dynamic. It was more like international terrorism.
> > So using the Liberal Media template from November 22, 1963 the
> > City of Boston in its entirety is now on the City of Hate list, based
> No, not now. No one ever said that. Boston was cited for racial hatred
> during the desegregation.
> > on the precedent of Collective Guilt initiated and promoted by the
> > US national media after the sniper ambush on President Kennedy
> > and Governor Connally.
> That makes no sense. You make no sense.
the invective of the national media. They were spewing hatred on the
City of Dallas for what a newcomer did, who was both an unreformed
and unrepentant Marxist believer, who did this evil act to express his
hatred for US Democracy and President Kennedy for backing down
the Soviets and Castro.
> Stop watching Pee-Wee Herman.
Never. He is a great little guy and a happy American hero.
> > Recent arrivals committed both atrocities, not political rivals, and
> Not the same thing.
national media, US cities are morally responsible for what radical
newcomers do when making a deadly political statement. The media chiseled
this precedent in stone in November 1963. Not one national editorial
reporter I know of ever challenged this intellectual absurdity of that
nonsensical mentality. As a result, you as a citizen of Boston share in
the blame for what those two radical brothers did. It is called
"collective guilt" and it was established in 1963.
> > therefore, International implications to both terrorist attacks as a
> > justification for extreme violence to punish any US Foreign Policy
> > they disapprove of. LHO set a deadly precedent for future radical
> > internal assassins to follow.
> You are not allowed to bring up international implications.
> All rumors of an internation plot must be silenced.
> Obey your orders.
> > The national media smokescreen to redirect blame on US political
> > rivals in 1963 provided a precedent for any future angry fanatics
> > to imitate, the Boston attack a horrible case in point: LHO x two.
> The National Media did not place the blame on the Texas conservatives.
of Dallas as the "City of Hate" and by implication the whole State of
Texas, even though Texas voted for JFK in 1960 and City of Dallas gave him
a warm and rousing welcome in the downtown parade with no negative
incidents, before the detour through Dealey Plaza.
The City of Dallas Police Department was not allowed to be in charge of
Presidential security, acting only in auxiliary status. As such they
mostly served as motorcycle escort. The pre-approved route to the Trade
Mart was under SSA and White House Staff supervision. The unique DPD
Motorcycle formation was arranged by the SSA. A large number of DPD/DCSD
officers were assigned the inside and outside the Trade Mart facility.
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