Judyth & LBJ
John McAdams
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Subj: McAdams irritating.....
Date: 11/9/00 5:51:09 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: ElectLady63
[Names of 16 recipients redacted]
>She explains in the letter that she is an artist, and is trying to
>become a good writer. She remains interested in science, but realizes
>her "limitations in that field."
>
Her "limitations?"
I thought she was a prodigy? A crack cancer researcher?
.John
===================This man does not seem to realize that i was forced
out of the field by fear. what was i to do? THERE were my limitations.
I did not indicate what kind of limitations, after all. I was
being frank with him, as he had last heard from me as a custom
-chemical creator/ assistant chemist (at age 20) in gas chromatography
analysis of rare compounds, including rare carcinogens, and associated
halogen research. . Certainly didn't have any limitations at THAT
time!
And yet--nobody ever dropped more precipitously from known
expertise to unknown nothingness as did i. I consoled myself by trying
to forge a life of some kind, trapped in my marriage, by painting and
writing--and causing as much trouble for those who benefited from
JFK's death as i possibly could.
At the time of Susie's birth (Susan Mavinee--her middle name
reflected "Lee" in rhyme) (she was named after Susie Hanover in New
Orleans, my landlady who hid Lee so Robert didn;t catch him, several
times) I penetrated so close to the LBJ household that my obstetrician
was LKBJ';s daughter's obstetrician.
I paid this high price myself (Robert would not have had a
pricy O.B./GYN!) by painting him a hunting dog scene. His name: Dr.
Robert Zschappel, and you can look it up.
Now WHY do you think i would have ferreted out somebody close to the
LBJ family, such as Zschappel, there in Austin, Texas?
To get inside info on the LBJ family, the Robbs, etc. And i
did, too, and sent it to the Village Voice, Space City News, and the
Rag.
It wasn't cancer research -- the JFK matter ruined that--- but it
was research, nonetheless.
I helped break out info on Brown & Root to discomfit LBJ dynasty,
too.
it was my own little bit of revenge.
-j-
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Can Judyth show clippings of these supposedly great muckraking
articles?
.John
--
The Kennedy Assassination Home Page
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Rose
Mavinee is Bob's Mother's middle name as it was passed on to Susan and
Susan passed it on to her daughter=our granddaughter. Rhymes with
Lee--how pathetic.
Bob wouldn't or could'nt pay for an expensive doctor? Duh, Susan was
born in 1968 while Bob was in his doctorate program at UT. Their only
income was from his parent's paying rent on their house, his stipend
and her occasional selling of paintings.
Also, it was the pediatrician who had a patient in the LBJ family.
Judy's OB/GYN was such a miserable doctor that when she had a temp of
105 he sent her home and told her to take an aspirin.
As far as her paintings go, her talent is not that superb. She does
sell them but I think it is her sales talent that sells them versus
her actually talent.
Trapped in a marriage? How does that happen when she dated her husband
for at least a year before marriage, was intimate with him before
marriage, practiced birth control for several years and then had five
children with him because she is trapped?
Seems to me an intelligent, progressive woman would have left him
before starting on babies. Especially with all of her supposed
talents. Just a thought.
john.m...@marquette.edu (John McAdams) wrote in message news:<3f9d5401....@news.alt.net>...
Deb Bert
4d586db1.03102...@posting.google.com, "Rose"
<z_boor...@titan.sfasu.edu> wrote:
> I would like to reply to this message.
> Mavinee is Bob's Mother's middle name as it was passed on to Susan and
> Susan passed it on to her daughter=our granddaughter. Rhymes with
> Lee--how pathetic.
>
> Bob wouldn't or could'nt pay for an expensive doctor? Duh, Susan was
> born in 1968 while Bob was in his doctorate program at UT. Their only
> income was from his parent's paying rent on their house, his stipend
> and her occasional selling of paintings.
> Also, it was the pediatrician who had a patient in the LBJ family.
> Judy's OB/GYN was such a miserable doctor that when she had a temp of
> 105 he sent her home and told her to take an aspirin.
> As far as her paintings go, her talent is not that superb. She does
> sell them but I think it is her sales talent that sells them versus
> her actually talent.
> Trapped in a marriage? How does that happen when she dated her husband
> for at least a year before marriage, was intimate with him before
> marriage, practiced birth control for several years and then had five
> children with him because she is trapped?
> Seems to me an intelligent, progressive woman would have left him
> before starting on babies. Especially with all of her supposed
> talents. Just a thought.
I might have missed it before, but who are you? Sorry if you've already
covered this. It would seem that you are the mother-in-law to Judyth's
daughter? Did I get that correct? And how familiar are you with Judyth?
Again--apologies if you've already covered this in the past. I'm new
here.
--Deb
Martin Shackelford
"evaluation" as an art critic, Rose?
Martin
Rose
30 year successful career actually using his mind than to accept
information from someone who continually must exist on the good will
of others rather than working like the rest of us.
Art critic--well, we are Benefactors of the Museum of Fine Arts in
Houston and of the Metropolitan Art Museum in New York. We often
private showings and art seminars. I do say, I can recognize fine art
when I see it. Besides that we had ten of her paintings she had
painted and I tried to sell them several times, finally I got 5
dollars for the lot of them. Like I said it is the salesmanship of
Judy not the talent that sells her art.
Just like the selling of the mutts for 400 dollars a shot.
Martin Shackelford <msh...@concentric.net> wrote in message news:<bnqkfu$e...@dispatch.concentric.net>...
Martin Shackelford
has been compared to the documentation available, he has turned out to
be wrong, to the point that he admitted having NO EVIDENCE that Judyth's
account wasn't accurate. The choice has never been between his memory
and hers--but between his memory and the EVIDENCE.
And I hardly think that your poor salesmanship of the work of someone
you despise reflects the extent of her talents--nor does giving money to
museums make you a competent art critic, seminars or not.
But rather than respond to the summary of your errors, you have chosen
to respond in the manner below. That will tell the reader a lot.
Martin
Martin Shackelford
Martin
First, her portrait of Robert as a loving husband spending as much time
as he could with his new bride in the summer of 1963.
A postcard, sent FROM New Orleans on July 23, 1963. He has a week off,
and has so far spent one day in New Orleans, during which he has not
made an effort to visit his bride, but sends this text:
"Hi There!
Just stopped in New Orleans and thought I'd drop a line. Boy, is the
weather miserable here. I'll be back through in a couple of days. Eat
enough and take care of yourself, 'cause I'm lovin' you. Bob."
What a romantic!
Second, a book review she posted on another newsgroup:
"Rose E. Boory-Baker" <roseemma@e...
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>> The Simple and Kabbalistic Story of Purim
>> by Rabbi P. S. Berg, dean of the Kabbalah Center
>>
>> The simple story.
>>
>> For those unfamiliar with the simple story of Purim, it is the
>> classic Cinderella tale story, only that "Megillat Esther" is the
>> story of the poor Jewish girl and the King of Persia. Unlike its
>> fairy tale counterpart, the story of Esther does not end with the day
>> of marriage, but rather begins with it, showing us on the simplest
>> way the power of a woman.
>>
>> Understanding it only on this level, however, without learning its
>> Kabbalistic significance, would be a disservice to the story and to
>> the participant, who would like to garner the most from the holiday
>> and the experience of Purim.
>>
These babblings of Talmudic Kabbalistic Zionism, do not change the fact
that the Bush Gamg planned to use Purim in serveice to his whore lover
Israel. Nor will it change, as others have shown, the fact that:
Talmudic Kabbalistic Zionism is a dangerous heresy because it denies Jesus
is the Messiah, totally repudiates the New Testament Church, all New
Testament writings, the Apostles, Mary the mother of Jesus, and all
Christians regardless of name or denomination. Talmudism is the same as
ancient Phariseeism. The traditions of the Pharisees were codified into the
Babylonian Talmud and this book or confusion is considered as holy or more
holy then the Old Testament itself. The Talmud is full of insults, hate, and
bigotry against Jesus and Christianity. From this book comes the satanic
side of Judaism deep into the abyss of mysticism and the occult. I speak
here of the Kabbalah which many have been deceived to think is holy and
sublime and full of the special treasures of God. Until a person sees the
connection to witchcraft, sorcery, the occult, the hidden and secret works
of satanism, they will not know the depth of this mystery of iniquity.
Instead they will think of Kabbalah as just Jewish attempts to get to know
God better by delving into the secret knowledge and speculation and see no
hurt or alarm in these conducts. This form of Zionism is very dangerous
because it knows not God and rejects the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This
Zionism continues the ancient hatred and loath of Gentiles and demands in
its teachings the Christians recant their faith and be converted into
Judaism through the Noahide laws or they will perish as dogs. There will be
a massive push and support for Gentiles to be converted to Law keeping, to
begin observing the sabbath, dietary laws, feast days, and other trappings
of works. Many of these will accept the Talmud and the Kabbalist occult
interpretations which includes acceptance of the tetragrammation and the
guess names Yahweh and Yahshua. The Name of Jesus will be rejected and
blasphemed, and in concert with the Zionist they will attempt to blot out
the name of Jesus from the earth. Zionism will itself give birth the the
future antichrist and in Jerusalem, not Rome, this rouge will come forth to
rule all nations.
Deb Bert
4d586db1.03103...@posting.google.com, "Rose"
<z_boor...@titan.sfasu.edu> wrote:
> I certainly would rather rely on the memory of someone who has had a
> 30 year successful career actually using his mind than to accept
> information from someone who continually must exist on the good will
> of others rather than working like the rest of us.
Rose,
So this is very entertaining. But tell us about *yourself.* You're asking
us to believe you. I don't know you. You tell us what your version is of
what Judyth did and what Bob did--but tell us about you.
You wrote: "I certainly would rather rely on the memory of someone who has
had a 30 year successful career actually using his mind..."
What *I* find more interesting that this would be how did *you* use *your*
mind in conducting your own successful career. In other words, what have
you done in your endeavors for a successful life.
Mind you--I'm not saying that you have not had a successful life.
Remember--I don't know you from Adam. So educate me, please. Sincerely. I
mean that. Tell us about yourself.
> someone who continually must exist on the good will
> of others rather than working like the rest of us.
:-) Hm. This reminds me of "Streetcar Named Desire." --"I have been
forced to rely on the kindness of strangers." ...or something like that.
Blanche DuBois. I believe it was Vivian Leigh who played that role once. I
did too. Interesting character, Blanche. She was a survivor.
> Art critic--well, we are Benefactors of the Museum of Fine Arts in
> Houston and of the Metropolitan Art Museum in New York. We often
> private showings and art seminars. I do say, I can recognize fine art
> when I see it.
I am a benefactor of the MFA in Boston. That doesn't make me an art critic.
It just means I give away a few bucks to causes that I find worthwhile.
(Including the ACLU and the Gay Men's Health Alliance in NYC and Planned
Parenthood--amongst other groups.)
I've attended more private showings, art shoes, art seminars and taken art
course as well as watched many, many, many artists create the work from
sculptors to ceramicists to painters to sketch artists to textile artists.
That doesn't mean that I'm an art critic and that I can automatically
recognize "fine art."
Tell me about Basquiat. What do you think of his work? Do you believe Andy
Warhol changed the world of art? Before he died or after he died? Do you
know how he died? (No cheating--don't look it up now...)
;-)
What about Lee Krasner? What do you think of this artist's work--and who
was this artist married to--and what did this artist do for the world of
art? What do you think of Krasner's work?
What do you think of Frida Kahlo's work? Would you consider this "fine
art?"
What about Modigliani? Do you think this artist contributed anything to the
world of art--or to the world in general? Did you take in the Modigliani
perspective in Fort Worth last spring? If so, what did you think of it?
Do you think Pop Art contributed anything to the current esthetic?
I love to talk about art--as you can probably tell, although I'm sure I'll
never know as much about it as I want to.
> Besides that we had ten of her paintings she had
> painted and I tried to sell them several times, finally I got 5
> dollars for the lot of them. Like I said it is the salesmanship of
> Judy not the talent that sells her art.
Did you know that some of Picasso's work has gone for about the same amount?
People just didn't know what they had.
> Just like the selling of the mutts for 400 dollars a shot.
"Mutts?" Excuse me. Now, I do take offense at this statement, Rose.
"Mutts?" I have a Maltese who is the best friend I have ever had. He's
snoozing on my lap as I write this. In fact, he can usually be caught
snoozing on my lap whenever I am working on my computer--which is a hell of
a lot of the time.
Dogs are precious creatures. All dogs. If all dog owners had to pay at
least $400 for the privilege of living with a dog, then we'd have fewer dogs
abandoned and neglected. Have you ever lived with a dog?
BTW--yes, I did pay over $400 for my good pal here. To be honest, I paid
$1000. He's worth every penny and more.
I'm afraid your credibility took a shot there with me. However, LBJ would
have agreed with you. He liked to torture his dogs.
Now--what does all this have to do with the JFK assassination?
--Deb
Jerry Shinley
> Two perspectives on Rose Baker.
>
> Martin
>
>
> First, her portrait of Robert as a loving husband spending as much time
> as he could with his new bride in the summer of 1963.
> A postcard, sent FROM New Orleans on July 23, 1963. He has a week off,
> and has so far spent one day in New Orleans, during which he has not
> made an effort to visit his bride, but sends this text:
> "Hi There!
> Just stopped in New Orleans and thought I'd drop a line. Boy, is the
> weather miserable here. I'll be back through in a couple of days. Eat
> enough and take care of yourself, 'cause I'm lovin' you. Bob."
> What a romantic!
Huh? You're posting someone's personal correspondence? I thought
that was unethical or something. Not noble or heroic like helping
the Mafia kill Castro.
>
> Second, a book review she posted on another newsgroup:
>
> "Rose E. Boory-Baker" <roseemma@e...
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>
> >> The Simple and Kabbalistic Story of Purim
> >> by Rabbi P. S. Berg, dean of the Kabbalah Center
> >>
> >> The simple story.
> >>
> >> For those unfamiliar with the simple story of Purim, it is the
> >> classic Cinderella tale story, only that "Megillat Esther" is the
> >> story of the poor Jewish girl and the King of Persia. Unlike its
> >> fairy tale counterpart, the story of Esther does not end with the day
> >> of marriage, but rather begins with it, showing us on the simplest
> >> way the power of a woman.
> >>
> >> Understanding it only on this level, however, without learning its
> >> Kabbalistic significance, would be a disservice to the story and to
> >> the participant, who would like to garner the most from the holiday
> >> and the experience of Purim.
> >>
>
>
You're not implying that the text (below) was written by
Rose Baker, are you? Isn't it by the poster known as "X98"?
Jerry Shinley
John McAdams
<msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>Two perspectives on Rose Baker.
>
>Martin
>
>
>First, her portrait of Robert as a loving husband spending as much time
>as he could with his new bride in the summer of 1963.
>A postcard, sent FROM New Orleans on July 23, 1963. He has a week off,
>and has so far spent one day in New Orleans, during which he has not
>made an effort to visit his bride, but sends this text:
>"Hi There!
>Just stopped in New Orleans and thought I'd drop a line. Boy, is the
>weather miserable here. I'll be back through in a couple of days. Eat
>enough and take care of yourself, 'cause I'm lovin' you. Bob."
>What a romantic!
>
It sounds to me like he had to make a quick connection, and could only
drop a card in the mailbox.
How do you know on what date it was sent? Is the postmark in fact
legible?
And why is he telling her that the weather is miserable, *unless*
either he or she isn't in New Orleans at the time?
.John
--
John McAdams
wrote:
>Another widely circulated e-mail from Judyth:
>
><Quote on>
>
>
>Subj: McAdams irritating.....
>Date: 11/9/00 5:51:09 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: ElectLady63
>[Names of 16 recipients redacted]
>
Let's look again at what Judyth wrote, everybody.
> At the time of Susie's birth (Susan Mavinee--her middle name
>reflected "Lee" in rhyme) (she was named after Susie Hanover in New
>Orleans, my landlady who hid Lee so Robert didn;t catch him, several
>times) I penetrated so close to the LBJ household that my obstetrician
>was LKBJ';s daughter's obstetrician.
> I paid this high price myself (Robert would not have had a
>pricy O.B./GYN!) by painting him a hunting dog scene. His name: Dr.
>Robert Zschappel, and you can look it up.
> Now WHY do you think i would have ferreted out somebody close to the
>LBJ family, such as Zschappel, there in Austin, Texas?
>
> To get inside info on the LBJ family, the Robbs, etc. And i
>did, too, and sent it to the Village Voice, Space City News, and the
>Rag.
Martin, do you ever read what she actually wrote? She says she chose
her OB/GYN to "get inside info on the LBJ family. . . ."
Does Team Judyth have any of the clippings from those there
periodicals?
Just what did she learn about and write about the LBJ family?
.John
--
Martin Shackelford
with Judyth every third week when he worked in the Gulf. Documentation
written at the time by Rohert contradicts that, and since Rose
repeatedly cited Robert as her unimpeachable source, we decided to offer
one of the less personal messages from him in rebuttal.
If we had only claimed to have such documents, we would once again have
been accused of making assertions without producing any evidence. At
least one poster has argued that Rose is more credible on these matters
than Judyth. A simple assertion was, at this point, insufficient.
Martin
Martin Shackelford
Martin
Martin Shackelford
postmark is very legible.
Martin
Martin Shackelford
you do is selectively use it in attack posts and on a shrill attack page.
Martin
Dave Reitzes
>You keep asking me for information. Why would I give you any, John? All
>you do is selectively use it in attack posts and on a shrill attack page.
>
>Martin
Why should Martin give anybody information when they'll only use it
against him!
A new entry for my list of Shack excuses.
Dave
Perpetual Starlight: Original fiction, music and more
http://www.reitzes.com
JFK Online: John F. Kennedy assassination
http://www.jfk-online.com
John McAdams
<msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>Both were in New Orleans, it was the middle of his week off, and the
>postmark is very legible.
>
Why would he tell her the weather is miserable if he was writing from
the same city Judyth was in?
John McAdams
<msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>You keep asking me for information. Why would I give you any, John? All
>you do is selectively use it in attack posts and on a shrill attack page.
>
You are always happy to give out information until you have to face
some illogical thing that Judyth said, and then you turn huffy and
refuse to answer.
She claimed to have gotten some deep, dark, sinister information at
the offices of her OB/GYN, and used it to write esposes in various
papers.
But now we are told that all she did is run into LBJ's daughter in the
waiting room.
Jerry Shinley
> Rose has claimed that, based on what Robert has told her, he was at home
> with Judyth every third week when he worked in the Gulf. Documentation
> written at the time by Rohert contradicts that, and since Rose
> repeatedly cited Robert as her unimpeachable source, we decided to offer
> one of the less personal messages from him in rebuttal.
> If we had only claimed to have such documents, we would once again have
> been accused of making assertions without producing any evidence. At
> least one poster has argued that Rose is more credible on these matters
> than Judyth. A simple assertion was, at this point, insufficient.
>
> Martin
>
a point?
Jerry Shinley
Jerry Shinley
> Oh, and it seemed obvious that she wrote only part, in response to the rest.
>
> Martin
No, the response was to Rose Baker's post. And what the heck is the
relevance of Mr X98's response? Below is the full, original post. Notice
that the text is attributed to a Rabbi P.S. Berg. It's not a book review
written by Rose Baker. See, the same thing was posted by a different
poster 2 years ago in soc.culture.jewish.moderated:
What exactly was your point in posting this?
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The Simple and Kabbalistic Story of Purim
by Rabbi P. S. Berg, dean of the Kabbalah Center
The simple story.
For those unfamiliar with the simple story of Purim, it is the
classic Cinderella tale story, only that "Megillat Esther" is the
story of the poor Jewish girl and the King of Persia. Unlike its
fairy tale counterpart, the story of Esther does not end with the day
of marriage, but rather begins with it, showing us on the simplest
way the power of a woman.
Understanding it only on this level, however, without learning its
Kabbalistic significance, would be a disservice to the story and to
the participant, who would like to garner the most from the holiday
and the experience of Purim.
When reading the "Megilla" it seems as though the story of Esther
took place over several days, when in fact it took place over
fourteen years.
In Persia, in the dark age after the destruction of the First Temple
there lived King Achashverosh. The story begins with a grand feast
that the King was throwing at this palace in the city of Shushan. The
King's wife, Queen Vashti, was known throughout the kingdom for her
remarkable beauty. That evening, the King, in desiring to impress his
guests with his wife's beauty, called for her to attend the party.
She refused and was banished from the kingdom.
In search of a new queen, the King commanded his men to travel
throughout the kingdom in search of the loveliest of maidens, so that
he could view them and chose the most beautiful to be his wife and
the new Queen.
Esther lived in Shushan with her uncle Mordechai, who was the palace
gate keeper. She knew that being the Queen of Persia would be good
for her people. And as she was strikingly beautiful, she prepared
herself to be brought before the King.
Once the King saw Esther he stopped looking and she became the new
Queen of Persia.
One day, while working at the palace, Mordechai overheard two guards
plotting a revolution with the intent to kill King Achashverosh.
Mordechai informed Esther, and the militants were captured and
executed. Mordechai saved the King's life.
The King had an advisor named Haman. This advisor was power hungry
and conniving. Haman disliked the Jewish people, especially
Mordechai. When he would travel through the city of Shushan, he
expected the people to bow down to him as he was second in command to
the King. Mordechai, being a Jew, did not.
In order to gain favor with the King and rid himself of Mordechai and
the Jews, Haman devised a plan to kill the Jewish people. Haman used
his sharp tongue and twisted the thoughts of Achashverosh, alleging
that the Jews will cause a problem for the King and that the King
should lend his seal to a petition to have them destroyed. The King
authorized the genocide and letters were written and sent to all the
provinces of Persia bearing the King's seal.
The thirteenth of Adar was the selected day for the mass
extermination of the Jews.
When Mordechai caught word of this, he tore his clothes in mourning,
dressed in a sackcloth and cried before the King's gate.
When Esther was told about her uncle's behavior she sent him new
clothes, but he refused them. He sent her a message telling her to go
to the King and plead for the lives of her people.
The law in Persia at that time was exacting, no one was to approach
the King, unless they were summoned. This offense was punishable by
death. Esther sent word back to her uncle that the Jews of Shushan
should fast for three days, she would do the same, and after the
three days she would approach the King. The three days of fasting
took place during Pesach.
After three days Esther went to the King who was so pleased to see
her that he held out his scepter and asked her if he could grant her
a request. Esther asked the King and Haman to join her in her
quarters for a banquet that she would prepare on the following day.
As Haman left the Palace that evening he saw Mordechai. So full with
hatred was he for Mordechai the Jew, that he resolved the next
morning he would ask the King's permission to hang Mordechai for
public spectacle on gallows fifty cubit high.
That same night the King could not sleep and he asked to view the
daily chronicles which recorded the daily events of the palace. There
the King read and was reminded that several years before Mordechai
informed the King about a scheme to overthrow the kingdom and kill
the King. Mordechai saved the King's life and was not rewarded for
his loyalty.
When Haman arrived in the morning with the intention of asking the
King's permission to kill Mordechai, the King intercepted the request
by asking Haman's advice as to the appropriate manner to honor a
person that has found great favor with the King. Haman, assuming that
it was he who was to be honored, said that the man should be allowed
to wear the King's crown, the King's clothes and should be marched on
the King's horse through the streets of Shushan, proclaiming that
this man is favored by the King.
King Achashverosh accepted the idea and told Haman to give this honor
to Mordechai. Enraged Haman followed the King's orders.
That night was the banquet that Queen Esther had prepared for the
King and Haman. The King was so pleased with her, that again he asked
Esther if he could grant her a request. This time Queen Esther asked
her husband to save her life, the life of her people and her uncle
Mordechai, who the King had honored that day. The King was horrified
that the life of his queen and his devoted Mordechai were threatened
and demanded to know who was responsible for this. Esther replied
that it was Haman.
Haman fell to his knees before the King and pleaded for his life, but
the King ordered that Haman be hung on the very gallows that he had
intended for Mordechai.
Mordechai was made the new advisor to the King. King Achashverosh
withdrew the proclamation to destroy the Jewish nation and stated
that the Jews should defend themselves and fight back if need be.
Esther inscribed this story on scroll. This is the "Megillah" that we
read on Purim.
The meaning of "Megillat Esther" according to Kabbalah
The Kabbalistic perspective of "Megillat Esther" comes from the
writings of the famous Kabbalist, Rabbi Isaac Luria (1534-1572),
known as the Ari (the "Lion").
In Hebrew "Megillat Esther" has two meanings, one is Queen Esther's
story and the other is the revealment ('giluy') of the concealed
('hester') spiritual system that governs this world. Once we have the
awareness of the system, we can make a personal connection and draw
the unique energy of Purim into our own lives.
In order to understand the concealed meaning of the story of Esther,
it is important to keep in mind the Kabbalistic principle that
whenever there is an immense revelation of Light and the Vessel is
not ready, it is very painful and it can burn the Vessel. That is
why, in our personal lives, there is always pain before growth.
It was seventy years after the destruction of the First Temple and
the time had come to begin the Second Temple. The Light of Redemption
was beginning to reveal itself. But the people were not ready. When
this occurs, it is stage called 'dormita.' The state of 'dormita'
happens when 'Zeir Anpin' leaves 'Malchut' just as during sleep, when
the soul leaves the body. In Aramaic 'dormita' means asleep.
According to the Ari, when Haman first approached King Achashverosh
to ask his permission to kill all the Jews, the king spurned the
idea: "don't you know that who ever attempted to hurt the Jews was
destroyed." Haman, who was a great astrologer and warlock, explained
to the King that although the G-d of the Jews is powerful, He was
asleep, thereby leaving the Jews unprotected. The Jews could be
destroyed before the Light awakes.
Haman was the tenth generation descendant of Agag, the last King of
Amalek. When King Shaul was anointed to be the first King of Israel,
one of his first responsibilities as King was to destroy the nation
of Amalek. His fatal failure was that he allowed King Agag to live
for a day before he killed him. In that last day before his death
King Agag impregnated a woman who ultimately continued the seed of
Amalek. Haman was the continuation of Amalek, he was the reincarnated
soul of King Agag, that is why it is written in the Megillat Esther,
"Haman the Agaggi," the Aggagi because he was really King Agag.
Mordechai was the reincarnation of King Shaul.
According to the Kabbalistic wisdom, the nation of Amalek represents
doubt. The whole story of Purim, therefore, is really the story of
the battle and defeat of our own doubt.
Prior to publishing the final decree against the Jews, Haman
consulted with the stars. He wanted the right time for the
destruction, where there would be the greatest darkness, so that the
Jews would be unable to resist and be lead to their destruction like
sheep to the slaughter. That day was the 13th of Adar. He made his
discovery on the 13th of Nissan, which according to the Kabbalists is
astrologically the day when the destiny of battles and conflicts is
being timelized for the coming year.
On the 13th of Nissan he published the decree that went out to all
the 127 states of the Persian Empire that all Jews were to be killed
on the 13th day of Adar of the coming year. When Mordechai found out,
he began to mourn and asked Esther to request that the King change
the decree. Esther who was, according to the Ari, both a prophetess
and a Kabbalist told Mordechai that she could not affect a change in
the 1 percent to cancel the decree, unless there was a change in the
cause, in the 99 percent. Remember that the decree came at the time
of 'dormita,' the separation between 'Zeir Anpin' and 'Malchut.' And
it comes as a result of such an immense outpouring of the Light of
Wisdom in the Universe, that the only way to change destiny is to
create unity and immense sharing in 'Malchut.' When the Light of
Wisdom is revealing itself and the Vessel is not ready, that lack of
unity manifests in disaster. Therefore, the only way to eliminate the
potential danger is to create enough Light of Mercy so that this
Light of Mercy becomes the Vessel to contain the Light of Wisdom and
allow it to be revealed.
So Esther told Mordechai to gather Jews together and have them fast
for 72 hours, have them give charity and share with each other. The
purpose of the fast was to shut down the Desire to Receive for the
Self Alone and the acts of giving charity and sharing were to awaken
the Light of Mercy.
Mordechai gathered the Jews and showed them how to use the 72 names
to reconnect to the Light. And each person gave a lot of charity to
the poor and they gave many gifts to each other to activate the Light
of Mercy. These 72 hours took place during Pesach and which is in
actuality the real time that the cosmic seal regarding wars and
conflicts was finalized for the whole year. Haman was mistaken, it
was not finalized on the 13th of Nissan.
The actions performed by the Jews were powerful enough to wake up
'Zeir Anpin' and connect 'Zeir Anpin' to 'Malchut.'
Haman had 365 advisors to connect to 365 levels of negativity. Haman
knew that as long as Mordechai was alive, there was uncertainty in
his plan to destroy the Jews. The Ari explains that Mordechai
represented pure light, like a pilot light that will exist in the
Universe even in the darkest times. Haman wanted to eliminate him so
that there will be no chance for redemption. The fifty cubit gallows
that Haman wanted Mordechai to hang from represented the fifty gates
of impurity. Although he wasted no time in his attempt to kill
Mordechai, the Megillat Esther informs us that it was too late,
because that night the King could not sleep. The King represents
'Zeir Anpin.' As a result of the actions of the Jews 'Zeir Anpin' was
awake, as above, as below.
Exactly a year after the miracle of Purim, the sages of that era
realized that on the 14th and 15th of Adar the same energy that was
revealed on Purim had appeared again, which meant that it was now
impressed on the Universe and can never be erased. In order for us to
connect to that power, we follow the formula, we read from the
Megillat Esther, we give charity and share gifts. We give the half a
shekel (an ancient currency) for the returning Light, and we feast.
Mordechai and Esther came to power in the government of Persia and
became the enablers of the building of the Second Temple in Jerusalem.
It is a custom that during reading from the Megillat Esther on Purim,
in some places where Haman is mentioned the congregation (especially
children) yell loudly and make noise from special noise-makers. In
Kabbalistic tradition, we don't make any noise, but, instead,
meditate on one of the 72 names, kaf-hei-taf, whenever Haman is
mentioned, to remove negativity from our lives.
An interesting fact closer to our times.
In the Megillat Esther, where the actual names of Haman's ten sons
are written, there is a millennia-old tradition to write three small
Hebrew letters interspersed with these ten names. These three letters
(taf-shin-zaiyn) spell out the year, which corresponds to the year
1946 in the common calendar. In 1946 ten Nazis were hanged at the
Nuremberg Trials. Haman's ten sons were also hanged according to the
Megillat Esther. The Kabbalist would surmise that Haman and Hitler
were one and the same soul, determined to wipe out world Jewry, and
that Haman's ten sons and Hitler's ten henchmen, who were hanged at
Nuremberg, were also of the same evil source. What's utterly
remarkable about this idea is that Nazi Julius Streicher shouted the
following words to the world's media just before he was sent to he
gallows: "Purim Fest 1946!"
(the detailed discussion of this topic could be found on the Web at
http://www.aristotle.net/~bhuie/code10.htm)
Hag Purim Sameakh - Happy Purim!
"Neal Atkins" <nat...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3e767501...@news-server.austin.rr.com...
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:00:10 GMT, "X98" <x...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >The Zionist masters of America have chosen March 17th, the Jewish holiday
of
> >Purim, to be the day of the slaughter.
>
> Who is this idiot and why is he spamming ng's?
>
<end of post>
Dave Reitzes
>
>On 3 Nov 2003 16:15:01 -0500, Martin Shackelford
><msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
>>Both were in New Orleans, it was the middle of his week off, and the
>>postmark is very legible.
>>
>
>Why would he tell her the weather is miserable if he was writing from
>the same city Judyth was in?
Dammit, John! Martin blatantly goes back on his word (yet again) and
dribbles out evidence to the newsgroup (for the umpteenth time), and THIS
is the thanks he gets!
Dave
>>John McAdams wrote:
>>
>>> On 1 Nov 2003 09:03:54 -0500, Martin Shackelford
>>> <msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Two perspectives on Rose Baker.
>>>>
>>>>Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>First, her portrait of Robert as a loving husband spending as much time
>>>>as he could with his new bride in the summer of 1963.
>>>>A postcard, sent FROM New Orleans on July 23, 1963. He has a week off,
>>>>and has so far spent one day in New Orleans, during which he has not
>>>>made an effort to visit his bride, but sends this text:
>>>>"Hi There!
>>>>Just stopped in New Orleans and thought I'd drop a line. Boy, is the
>>>>weather miserable here. I'll be back through in a couple of days. Eat
>>>>enough and take care of yourself, 'cause I'm lovin' you. Bob."
>>>>What a romantic!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It sounds to me like he had to make a quick connection, and could only
>>> drop a card in the mailbox.
>>>
>>> How do you know on what date it was sent? Is the postmark in fact
>>> legible?
>>>
>>> And why is he telling her that the weather is miserable, *unless*
>>> either he or she isn't in New Orleans at the time?
>>>
>
>.John
Martin Shackelford
source, when the same person was writing exactly the opposite at the
time, yes. If Robert and Rose want to make false claims about Judyth's
veracity, they shouldn't be surprised if contradictory correspondence by
Robert is published. I have tried to avoid this, and will continue to
try to keep it to a minimum.
Rose has not helped matters by pouring out excessive family matter
information onto the newsgroup, to an extent that has upset Robert's
children.
Martin
R J Johnson
: Rose has not helped matters by pouring out excessive family matter
: information onto the newsgroup, to an extent that has upset Robert's
: children.
Yeah right...
I'm sure Rose has been much more "upsetting" than having their own mother
claim to the world that within weeks of marrying their father she was doing
Oswald, a married man, in a truck in a garage and assorted hotel rooms.
--
---- Robert J. Johnson
Jerry Shinley
> I would say so in a situation when the person is using someone as their
> source, when the same person was writing exactly the opposite at the
> time, yes. If Robert and Rose want to make false claims about Judyth's
> veracity, they shouldn't be surprised if contradictory correspondence by
> Robert is published.
So, by making public claims, someone voluntarily gives up their
right to privacy? If anyone has any information which would
contradict Judyth Baker's claims, would you urge them to make it
public even if the information is something that might otherwise
be considered private?
> I have tried to avoid this, and will continue to
> try to keep it to a minimum.
It's hard to make much sense of a single post card.
John McAdams
McAdams) wrote:
>On 3 Nov 2003 16:15:01 -0500, Martin Shackelford
><msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
>>Both were in New Orleans, it was the middle of his week off, and the
>>postmark is very legible.
>>
>
>Why would he tell her the weather is miserable if he was writing from
>the same city Judyth was in?
>
>
Martin? Oh Martin??
You don't appear to have responded to this.
John McAdams
<msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>I would say so in a situation when the person is using someone as their
>source, when the same person was writing exactly the opposite at the
>time, yes. If Robert and Rose want to make false claims about Judyth's
>veracity, they shouldn't be surprised if contradictory correspondence by
>Robert is published. I have tried to avoid this, and will continue to
>try to keep it to a minimum.
I would say that if Judyth is saying one thing now, but was saying
flatly contradictory things in the past, one shouldn't be surprised if
contradictory correspondence is published.
But I think Team Judyth thinks they have a right to impeach the
testimony of people they find inconvenient, but people who disbelieve
Judyth don't have the same right.
.John
--
John McAdams
<msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>Stillyrelying on Bob's memory--and this time, throwing in your
>"evaluation" as an art critic, Rose?
>
>Martin
>
Martin, are you denying that Mavinee was Bob's mother's middle name?
>Rose wrote:
>
>> I would like to reply to this message.
>> Mavinee is Bob's Mother's middle name as it was passed on to Susan and
>> Susan passed it on to her daughter=our granddaughter. Rhymes with
>> Lee--how pathetic.
>>
>>> At the time of Susie's birth (Susan Mavinee--her middle name
>>>reflected "Lee" in rhyme) (she was named after Susie Hanover in New
>>>Orleans, my landlady who hid Lee so Robert didn;t catch him, several
>>>times) I penetrated so close to the LBJ household that my obstetrician
>>>was LKBJ';s daughter's obstetrician.
.John
Martin Shackelford
Martin