~~ This really should help explain why there were so many honest mistakes about the LBOH wound that never even existed. ~~
eca...@tx.rr.com
Lancer slide show:
http://www.jfklancer.com/photos/autopsy_slideshow/index.html
(1)
At Parkland Hospital doctors were focused on
saving the President's life. To see what they saw
go to the above slide show and view:
jfk06.jpg
` FACT:
` They never even
` saw the back of Kennedy's head.
They knew there would be a subsequent autopsy to
determine, analyze, and categorize the technical
details. When the President died their frantic
efforts to save him in a chaotic atmosphere were
essentially over. They made the same honest human
mistake(s) you and I would likely have made had
we seen the gory mess from the top with exploded
blood and guts skull flaps hanging down to the
back of the head area.
` ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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Conversely this is what Doctors Humes and Boswell
saw at the autopsy and subsequently testified to:
autop04.jpg
This photographic evidence further supports and
*proves* there was never a large back of the head
(LBOH) wound. Incredibly and thankfully that same
conclusion was fully supported by both the Z film
as well as the x-rays.. Each overlapped and
supported the other two.
` ~ ~ ~ ~
That really should help explain why there were so
many honest mistakes about the LBOH wound that never
existed. And when John Canal made this post I had to
agree with him at last:
` "Once again, it wasn't really a "LBOH" wound."
` - John Canal, April 14, 2007, 10:21pm
` ~ ~ ~ ~
` Photographic proof will trump eyewitness
` recollection every time.
Ed Cage
1712Sep1607
ak
Wrong.
1). Dr. Akin: "The BACK of the right OCCIPITAL-parrietal portion of
his head was shattered with brain substance protruding." This "was the
EXIT."
2). Dr. Robert McClelland: "I WAS IN SUCH A POSITION THAT I COULD VERY
CLOSELY EXAMINE THE HEAD WOUND...and I noted that the right POSTERIOR
portion of the skull had been extremely blasted..."
3). Dr. Peters: "I COULD SEE the BACK of his head QUITE WELL...the
whole OCCIPITAL area was blown out...
4). Dr. Jones: "a large wound in the right POSTERIOR...a LARGE DEFECT
in the BACK side of the head." Vol. 6 WC Hearing p. 54. This was "an
EXIT WOUND in the POSTERIOR portion of the skull."
5). Dr. Perry: Bullet "EXITED through the BACK OF THE HEAD, since a
wound of exit is always bigger than a wound of entry."
6). Dr. Clark: Head wound was "LARGE, gaping loss of tissue" located
at the "BACK OF HIS HEAD...principally on his right side."
7). Dr. Baxter: said the "OCCIPITAL" bone was "missing."
8). SS Agent Clint Hill, laying on top of JFK inches away from the
back of his head: "The right REAR portion of his head was MISSING. It
was lying in the car. His brain was exposed." Vol. 2 WC Hearing p.141.
Noticed no other head wound "except for the one LARGE GAPING WOUND in
the REAR portion of the head."
9). William Newman, standing in front of the grassy knoll: " a gunshot
from apparently behind us hit the President in the side of the
temple." TV news interview on WFAA-TV.
10). SS Agent Roy Kellerman: "There have got to be more than three
shots, gentleman." Vol. 2 WC Hearing p.78. Was also at the morgue -
told the WC there was a FIVE INCH DIAMETER WOUND in the "REAR portion
of the head."
11). Nurse Pat Hutton in her report: "Mr. Kennedy was bleeding
profusely from a wound on the BACK of his head." Vol. 21 WC Hearing p.
216
12). Nurse Bowron: "one LARGE hole" in "the BACK of the head". Vol. 6
WC Hearing p. 136
13). Chief Nurse Doris Nelson: Shown photos with the back of the head
intact: "It's not true! The BACK of his head was blown away and his
brains had fallen out on the stretcher." "The whole scalp in the right
REAR was blown out."
14). Dr. Ebersole: D.C. Doctor, NOW says photos must be right, but on
first seeing the body come out of the casket noticed "very obvious
horrible gaping wound to the BACK of the head."
15). Secret Service Agent Greer: Told WC the "top and right REAR side
of the head " was "all blown off."
16). Jackie Kennedy: Told WC that from the front there was nothing but
in the "BACK...you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull
on."
17). Autopsy Tech James Jenkins: Looked at the BACK of the head and
all he saw "was the MASSIVE gaping wound." Says photos showing back of
head intact are "total fabrication."
18). Autopsy Tech Paul O'Connor (later became a police officer):
"There was a big hunk of his scalp and hair blown out of the BACK of
his head." Looked like it had been exploded. He was "stunned" by the
"severity of the head wound," never saw any wound so severe in his
work in the military, as an autopsy tech, or a police officer. Says
the photos are "all phonied up" "fakes".
19). Morgue Photographer John Stringer: After seeing photos NOW says
they must be right, but first statement was that he saw a "LARGE HOLE
in the BACK of the head."
20). Autopsy Tech Floyd Riebe: "BIG GAPING HOLE in the BACK of the
head." Says photos are "phony."
21). Dallas Dr. McClelland: Wound encompassed "half of the the right
side of the BACK of the head" and was an "EXIT wound".
22). Dallas Nurse Audrey Bell: "There was a MASSIVE WOUND at the BACK
of his head."
23). X-Ray Tech Jerrol Custer: "There was a KING SIZE HOLE in the BACK
of the head."
24). Funeral Parlor Tech Tom Robinson: "A LOT OF THE SCALP in the BACK
was gone. We used a piece of rubber there in the BACK."
25). The ARRB deposition of Saundra Spencer, in 1963 she was a Petty
Officer, US Navy, worked at the Naval Photographic Center, and
developed a set of JFK autopsy photos very different from the set
released to the press. She says she developed photos showing a wound
in the rear of JFK's head, which matches what the Dallas medical staff
and Secret Service saw.
Q: Can you tell me whether those photographs correspond to the
photographs that you developed in November of 1963?
A: No, it does not.
Q: In addition to what you have already said in describing the other
photographs, is there anything additional in these photographs that
appears to you to be different?
A: They are using a measuring device, which I don't remember in any of
the photographs that we produced, and I don't remember any hands on
the President during any of the shots that we reproduced.
Q: Now, could you look at the place on the back of President Kennedy's
head that corresponds to where you identified a wound in the back of
the head. Do you see that wound present in these photographs?
A: No, I do not.
John Canal
eca...@tx.rr.com says...
>
>These two references below can be seen at this
>Lancer slide show:
>http://www.jfklancer.com/photos/autopsy_slideshow/index.html
>(1)
>At Parkland Hospital doctors were focused on
>saving the President's life.
Duh, what about after he expired...where they still trying to save his
life?
Not that you might have read anything on this, but Grossman stated, after
JFK expired, he and Clark lifted his [JFK's] head to get a good look at
the wounds. Golly gee wiz, that's when they saw the BOH wound.
Don't ask me where to find that cite...IMO, you need the practice doing
research so find it youself.....ya right and frogs fly.
John Canal
[...]
Anthony Marsh
> In article <1189981156.4...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> eca...@tx.rr.com says...
>> These two references below can be seen at this
>> Lancer slide show:
>> http://www.jfklancer.com/photos/autopsy_slideshow/index.html
>
>> (1)
>> At Parkland Hospital doctors were focused on
>> saving the President's life.
>
> Duh, what about after he expired...where they still trying to save his
> life?
>
They made no post mortem examination. That's not their job. That's what
an autopsy is for.
You are guessing what people COULD do and then claiming that they did it.
eca...@tx.rr.com
Your opposing position on this LBOH wound in which
clear & convincing evidence has been presented that
it never even existed used to be a common one. It
died out years ago as a result of that same old bug-
a-boo that has kept CTers from ever even having a
conspiracy theory. Look around AK.. The CT faction
offers questions in lieu of the evidence pattern
they don't have. Also forgive me, but you appear to
have an agenda to establish that the witness
recollection outweighs the *photographic proof*
- Yet fortunately in this very unique circumstance
we not only have conflicting multiple photographic
evidence, incredibly we have 3 (three) separate
sets of it! Each a SERIES of photographic *proof*
1) The Z film clearly shows the gapping exit to be
in the upper right above the ear, and NOT on the
back of the head (BOH) as your well intentioned but
mistaken witnesses assert. I might add that when
these same witnesses were shown all of the
photographic evidence, they did not feel the same
way they did during that frantic urgent PH scene.
2) The x-rays prove there was no large back of the
head (LBOH) wound:
http://www.jfklancer.com/photos/autopsy_slideshow/index.html
See this example in the above slide presentation:
X_AUT_2.jpg
3) The autopsy photos also agree. See:
autop04.jpg
Yet conversely here's what the PH Doctors saw:
jfk06.jpg
(A very significant difference indeed, not to
mention autopsy Doctors Humes and Boswell actually
had the opportunity to see the *actual* back of
the head.)
` FACT:
` None of the PH Doctors
` even saw the actual BOH.
Regardless of John Canal's erroneous claim that
Grossman "and Clark lifted his [JFK's] head to get a
good look at the wounds. Golly gee wiz, that's when
they saw the BOH wound. Don't ask me where to find
that cite..." - John Canal
"That's when they saw the BOH wound" explains Canal
yet that is a blatant *misrepresentation* of what
Clark or Grossman actually said. FACT: Neither of them
indicated they actually saw the actual BOH.. In fact
Dr Clark flat out denies it under oath. Yet Mr Canal
challenges me to go find this nonexistent "quote" of
his to help him shore up his case. Let me know when
you find it Canal..
` ~~ A FOURTH FORM OF PHOTOGRAPHIC *PROOF* ~~
4) AK, here's another form of high tech photographic
proof from a source you may not be aware of: Itek
Tracking. I actually went to Itek since their National
HQs were in Irving TX and I toured their facilities.
Anyway they had some very sophisticated film and camera
photographic equipment which could trace the metal
particles in the Z film at Z 313. They *proved* all the
exit thrust was either up or forward thereby virtually
eliminating a frontal shot. No viable frontal shot
position exists anyway.
I'LL BE GLAD TO DISCUSS YOUR WITNESSES ONE BY ONE BUT
McADAMS HAS ALREADY DONE THAT QUITE WELL IMO. And again
none of them at PH ever saw the actual BOH anyway. As for
Saundra Spencer, her own personal set of tell-tale
autopsy photos (har-har) are conveniently nowhere to be
found. Yeah, right.
AK, only a couple die-hard LBOH wound supporters
still exist and you'll frequently see them trimming
their sails on an ever increasing albeit slow stubborn
basis as the photographic evidence and subsequent PH
witness *changes* have all but snuffed out what's left
of the "There's Something Fishy Here" gang. Why do you
think they both protest so vehemently when Dr McAdams
posts these examples of why Gary's 43-46 LBOH witnesses
were mistaken?
MR ;^D
Ed Cage
0249Sep1707
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Yes the photos and x rays were faked. Period.
I believe that 25 or so witnesses, trained professionals, who saw the
wound. And the dozen or so who say the photos are faked, and the
personnel who say they took another set of photos which showed the
wound, and the ARRB report which concludes that there were two sets of
photos and two brains, and the doctors who say that the x rays don't
even match each other, as one purports to show JFK missing an eye
orbital socket.
You are aware that a CIA agent broke into the HSCA safe containing the
photos, right? I think his name was Regis Blahut? He denied it, but
fingerprints proved him a liar. He would only say "there are things
involved that affect other things."
And you are aware of a CIA memo stating they may need to alter photos
in the JFK case, right? If not I will post it.
eca...@tx.rr.com
"And the dozen or so who say the photos are
faked, and the personnel who say they took
OFF
AK it would be nice if you had some evidence
that the photos were faked.. They're are not
"missing" btw so perhaps you could tell us who
these dozen or so people are who say the
photos are faked.
No offense AK, but I'm beginning to think
you are just throwing mud on the wall everyday
and hoping some of it will stick.. None that I
know of has stuck so far.. So now's your chance
to produce these dozen guys who think the photos
were ( gULp ) *faked*
Ed
1520Sep1807
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Witness # 13, 17, 18, 20 say they are fake. I think there are
several more...any CT proponets out there can help me out? Also, #25
says there were two sets of photos taken, one with a head wound in the
back. The ARRB report also says there were two sets of photos and two
brains, one missing about a third of its mass (Real JFK brain) and one
virtually intact. You don't deny that CIA Regis Blahut broke into the
HSCA safe to steal or tamper with the photos, right? I will post the
CIA memo where they discuss altering photos in the JFK murder case.
I do not put much faith in what a few doctors say 25 years later, when
to dispute the autopsy photos is to open oneself up to criticism as a
kook or nut or profiting of the death of JFK. First statements are
usually the best, and here they are damning.
SS Agent Clint Hill is atop JFK's body, inches away from the wound,
which he describes as "the right rear portion of his head was
missing." He describes Jackie reaching to the back of the limo for a
piece of the skull. Jackie handed a piece of the skull to a doctor.
Jackie describes holding the back of his head on.
The autopsy techs spent 30 minutes or more with the body, including
placing it on its stomach. They photographed the back of the head. ALL
describe a "massive" "king size" "gaping" "exploded" wound in the
"back" "rear" "right rear" of the head. Most say the photos released
to the public are "phony" "fake" and do not represent what they saw.
This is confirmed by the testimony of Spencer before the ARRB, see
bottom of this post.
The funeral parlor asst. Robinson said he had to put a piece of rubber
in the "back" of JFK's head because scalp was missing back there.
Dr. Cairns said the Harper fragment was OCCIPITAL bone, the bone in
the lower back of the head, which matches what the 26 witnesses say.
Here are all the quotes I have posted.
1). Dr. Akin: "The BACK of the right OCCIPITAL-parrietal portion of
his head was shattered with brain substance protruding." This "was the
EXIT."
2). Dr. Robert McClelland: "I WAS IN SUCH A POSITION THAT I COULD VERY
CLOSELY EXAMINE THE HEAD WOUND...and I noted that the right POSTERIOR
portion of the skull had been extremely blasted..."
3). Dr. Peters: "I COULD SEE the BACK of his head QUITE WELL...the
whole OCCIPITAL area was blown out...
4). Dr. Jones: "a large wound in the right POSTERIOR...a LARGE DEFECT
in the BACK side of the head." Vol. 6 WC Hearing p. 54. This was "an
EXIT WOUND in the POSTERIOR portion of the skull."
5). Dr. Perry: Bullet "EXITED through the BACK OF THE HEAD, since a
wound of exit is always bigger than a wound of entry."
6). Dr. Clark: Head wound was "LARGE, gaping loss of tissue" located
at the "BACK OF HIS HEAD...principally on his right side."
7). Dr. Baxter: said the "OCCIPITAL" bone was "missing."
8). SS Agent Clint Hill: "The right REAR portion of his head was
Officer, US Navy, worked at the Naval Photographic Center, and
developed a set of JFK autopsy photos very different from the set
released to the press. She says she developed photos showing a wound
in the rear of JFK's head, which matches what the Dallas medical staff
and Secret Service saw.
Q: Can you tell me whether those photographs correspond to the
photographs that you developed in November of 1963?
A: No, it does not.
Q: In addition to what you have already said in describing the other
Anthony Marsh
Just because some people say something does not make it a fact.
> several more...any CT proponets out there can help me out? Also, #25
> says there were two sets of photos taken, one with a head wound in the
> back. The ARRB report also says there were two sets of photos and two
I believe a second set of photos was taken by Robert Knudsen for the
Kennedy family. Just as I found that a second set of photos was taken of
the reinterment.
> brains, one missing about a third of its mass (Real JFK brain) and one
> virtually intact. You don't deny that CIA Regis Blahut broke into the
> HSCA safe to steal or tamper with the photos, right? I will post the
> CIA memo where they discuss altering photos in the JFK murder case.
>
>
> I do not put much faith in what a few doctors say 25 years later, when
> to dispute the autopsy photos is to open oneself up to criticism as a
> kook or nut or profiting of the death of JFK. First statements are
> usually the best, and here they are damning.
>
> SS Agent Clint Hill is atop JFK's body, inches away from the wound,
> which he describes as "the right rear portion of his head was
> missing." He describes Jackie reaching to the back of the limo for a
> piece of the skull. Jackie handed a piece of the skull to a doctor.
> Jackie describes holding the back of his head on.
>
Jackie did not hand over a piece of skull. It was brains.
> The autopsy techs spent 30 minutes or more with the body, including
> placing it on its stomach. They photographed the back of the head. ALL
> describe a "massive" "king size" "gaping" "exploded" wound in the
> "back" "rear" "right rear" of the head. Most say the photos released
> to the public are "phony" "fake" and do not represent what they saw.
> This is confirmed by the testimony of Spencer before the ARRB, see
> bottom of this post.
>
> The funeral parlor asst. Robinson said he had to put a piece of rubber
> in the "back" of JFK's head because scalp was missing back there.
>
Rubber does not replace scalp. It fills in for missing skull bone.
> Dr. Cairns said the Harper fragment was OCCIPITAL bone, the bone in
> the lower back of the head, which matches what the 26 witnesses say.
>
Others disagree. See Dr. Angel.
tomnln
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