Isidro Borja and Oswald
John McAdams
wrote:
>The mystery man handing out Fair Play for Cuba leaflets with Oswald in New
>Orleans was Isidro Borja, a Cuban exile and member of the hard line anti-Castro
>group DRE, according to information in Eric Hamburg's new book "JFK, Nixon,
>Oliver Stone and Me". The information was provided by former Cuban
>intelligence chief Fabian Escalante. This raises the question of why an
>anti-Castro extremist would be handing out pro-Castro literature, and why he
>would be associating with Lee Oswald. Something is wrong with this picture.
What's wrong is that Cuban intelligence was about as clueless about
this whole affair as anybody else.
When Escalante made assertions, we was making the assertions as a
buff, and not anybody who had any real "inside information."
.John
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Dave Reitzes
>
>On 28 Dec 2002 07:34:12 GMT, trib...@aol.comnojunk (Fred French)
>wrote:
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>>The mystery man handing out Fair Play for Cuba leaflets with Oswald in New
>>Orleans was Isidro Borja, a Cuban exile and member of the hard line
>anti-Castro
>>group DRE, according to information in Eric Hamburg's new book "JFK, Nixon,
>>Oliver Stone and Me". The information was provided by former Cuban
>>intelligence chief Fabian Escalante. This raises the question of why an
>>anti-Castro extremist would be handing out pro-Castro literature, and why he
>>would be associating with Lee Oswald. Something is wrong with this picture.
>
>What's wrong is that Cuban intelligence was about as clueless about
>this whole affair as anybody else.
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>buff, and not anybody who had any real "inside information."
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>.John
Say, John, you don't think trib...@aol.comnojunk (Fred French) might be
anybody we know, do you?
Dave
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Peter Fokes
"John McAdams" <john.m...@marquette.edu> wrote in message
news:3e0e57cb...@news.newsguy.com...
> On 28 Dec 2002 07:34:12 GMT, trib...@aol.comnojunk (Fred French)
> wrote:
>
> >The mystery man handing out Fair Play for Cuba leaflets with Oswald in
New
> >Orleans was Isidro Borja, a Cuban exile and member of the hard line
anti-Castro
> >group DRE, according to information in Eric Hamburg's new book "JFK,
Nixon,
> >Oliver Stone and Me". The information was provided by former Cuban
> >intelligence chief Fabian Escalante. This raises the question of why an
> >anti-Castro extremist would be handing out pro-Castro literature, and why
he
> >would be associating with Lee Oswald. Something is wrong with this
picture.
>
> What's wrong is that Cuban intelligence was about as clueless about
> this whole affair as anybody else.
Was he Chief of Cuban intelligence?
>
> When Escalante made assertions, we was making the assertions as a
> buff, and not anybody who had any real "inside information."
So he didn't see the picture?
Peter Fokes
GMcNally
John, John, John,
Escalante was not a "buff" but somebody exploiting an opportunity to
propagandize.
It's in the self-interest of Cuban propagandists to present the
assassination as a conspiracy by fascist capitalists and the CIA to
kill a supremely good and wise leader who was about to make peace with
Castro, ie, accept him just the way he was.
It always amazes me that buffs, like Stu Wexler, accept whatever these
propagandists say blindly.
Jerry
GMcNally
John,
Another thing you havn't considered is that Escalante was a Cuban
official and the official Cuban propaganda line was that the Cuban
exiles were traitors, criminals, etc.
Therefore, it would serve their propaganda purposes to connect Oswald
with a leading member of the DRE - a group that sank foreign ships
nearing Cuba and shelled downtown Havana.
It amazes me that you don't appreciate that the KGB and Cuban
propaganda organs have used the Kennedy assassination to push their
agendas. Including the publishing of lies and production of phoney
documents.
Jerry
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> .John
GMcNally
Are you willing to take the word of Escalante? Why should you trust the guy?
Guys like him have less credibility than even the mobsters some of the buffs
take seriously.
Jerry
Clark Wilkins
"GMcNally" <jer...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:a163e09.02123...@posting.google.com...
Jeff Morely investigated the claim that Isidro Borja is in the photo of
Oswald taken on 8/16. Here is his response:
Jefferson Morley says:
I have done an extensive study of the images taken by a TV cameraman
on August 16, 1963 of Oswald handing out Fair Play for Cuba Committee
leaflets in an effort to identify a group of men who appear to be
standing with, and occasionally talking to, Oswald. My effort was
spurred by statement of Fabian Escalante, retired chief of
counterintelligence for the Cuban government, who said that one of the
men in the photo accompanying Oswald might have been Isidro "Chilo"
Borja, then the leader of the military section of the Revolutionary
Student Directorate. The DRE was a CIA-funded student groups whose
activities in the summer of 1963 were, in the words of
a CIA document, "guided and monitored" by George Joannides, then the
chief of psychological warfare operations in the agency's Miami
station.
To test Escalante's hypothesis, I enlarged various images from the
film footage and compared them with a contemporaneous photo of Borja.
I interviewed Borja twice and Carlos Bringuier once. I also consulted
with a former FBI agent in the photo identification business. I also
reviewed the DRE's internal records from 1963. I have not been able to
interview Escalante. This is what I learned.
There is a strong superficial resemblance between a contemporaneous
photograph of Borja and one of the men with Oswald, particularly in
the type of glasses they wore. Due to the relatively poor quality of
the 16 mm film it is impossible to make a positive identification one
way or the other.
As chief of the DRE's military section, Borja kept a "military
intelligence" file on the activities and history of DRE members. A
notation in these files shows that that Bringuier apprised Borja of
the DRE members in New Orleans who monitored Oswald's pro-Cuban
activities in August 1963. Borja and Bringuier acknowledge the
authenticity of these records.
Borja and Bringuier say they were close friends at the time of the
DRE's encounters with Oswald in New Orleans. In our interviews, Borja
told me that he was not the man standing near Oswald in the film
footage, that he was running DRE military operations in the Dominican
Republic at the time. Bringuier said that members of the DRE in New
Orleans did observe Oswald that day but that Borja was not one of
them. Bringuier says the man in question was a Japanese man who worked
at the Trade Mart.
I found Chilo Borja to be a credible and willing witness to the events
of 1963. At this time, I have no reason to dispute his statement that
while he was knowlegable about the DRE's encounters with Oswald in New
Orleans, he was not in Oswald's presence on August 16, 1963.
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GMcNally
Clark,
> Jeff Morely investigated the claim that Isidro Borja is in the photo of
> Oswald taken on 8/16. Here is his response:
This is what I've always said: Borja was not in New Orleans in the
summer of 1963. He was in the Dominican Republic planning an invasion
of Cuba.
Of course, Escalante and Cuban intelligence always portrayed the Cuban
exiles as involved in the assassination of JFK.
And conspiracy nuts lapped it up.
Jerry