11-29-63, UPI, "Oswald's Gun Stirs Confusion"

[Honor Flight 93]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=nNpSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1H8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=7210,6834994&dq=dallas-morning-news+lee-harvey-oswald&hl=en

Irving, TX gunsmith Dial Ryder states that the gun brought by an "Oswald"
to Ryder in October 1963 that Ryder mounted a scope onto and then
bore-sighted aligned the scope, was not the same type Carcano rifle that
authorities showed him after the assassination.

[bigdog]

On Feb 8, 12:46 pm, Honor Flight 93 <HONORfligh...@aol.com> wrote:
> http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=nNpSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1H8DAAAAIBAJ&p...

>
> Irving, TX gunsmith Dial Ryder states that the gun brought by an "Oswald"
> to Ryder in October 1963 that Ryder mounted a scope onto and then
> bore-sighted aligned the scope, was not the same type Carcano rifle that
> authorities showed him after the assassination.

I would be curious as to whether the gunsmith had a written record of the
man's name and the type of gun he worked on or he is just working from
memory. If he is correct that the gun he mounted the scope on was not a
Carcano, then obviously, it was not the gun found in the TSBD and not the
rifle used to kill JFK. Then the question would become whether it was LHO
who brought the rifle in to have the scope mounted. I doubt that would be
the case because no other rifle was found among Oswald's possessions
either at the Paines's house or his rooming house. I would find it odd
that he would have purchased the rifle and the scope in March but not
bothered to have the scope mounted until October.

[Raymond]

On Feb 8, 12:46 pm, Honor Flight 93 <HONORfligh...@aol.com> wrote:
> http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=nNpSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1H8DAAAAIBAJ&p...
>

> Irving, TX gunsmith Dial Ryder states that the gun brought by an "Oswald"
> to Ryder in October 1963 that Ryder mounted a scope onto and then
> bore-sighted aligned the scope, was not the same type Carcano rifle that
> authorities showed him after the assassination.

Dial D. Ryder was a gunsmith at the Irving, Texas Sports Shop who stated
that he posssessed a record of Lee Harvey Oswald's name. The Warren
Commission, which investigated the assassination of John F. Kennedy,
looked into a report that Oswald had a telescopic sight mounted and
sighted at the store in which Ryder was employed. Ryder showed agents of
the Federal Bureau of Investigation, on November 25, 1963, a tag which he
claimed was in Oswald's handwriting.[1] The undated tag, with the name
OSWALD,[2] attested that three holes had been drilled into an unspecified
kind of rifle. Further, a telescopic sight had been mounted on the rifle
and boresighted.[3] The customer paid $4.50 for drilling and $1.50 for
boresighting the rifle.[4]

Neither Dial or his employer, Charles W. Greener, believed that they had
worked on the gun.[1] Dial told author Leo Sauvage the rifle Oswald
ordered from Chicago, Illinois came equipped with a telescopic sight. He
elaborated, saying that the rifle with the undated tag must have been
another weapon than the one Oswald received by mail,[3] in March 1963.[4]
Dial stated either it was another rifle or another Oswald.[3]

Ryder believed that a close inspection of the 6.5 mm Mannlicher Carcano
owned by Oswald would reveal that neither he or his shop worked on the
gun.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dial_D._Ryder

[Honor Flight 93]

On Feb 8, 12:46 pm, Honor Flight 93 <HONORfligh...@aol.com> wrote:
> http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=nNpSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1H8DAAAAIBAJ&p...
>

> Irving, TX gunsmith Dial Ryder states that the gun brought by an "Oswald"
> to Ryder in October 1963 that Ryder mounted a scope onto and then
> bore-sighted aligned the scope, was not the same type Carcano rifle that
> authorities showed him after the assassination.

2 (of several) points written by the WC in its WCR, chapter 6, page 315:

"As discussed in chapter IV, the telescopic sight on the C2766
Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was already mounted when shipped to Oswald, and
both Ryder and his employer, Charles W. Greener, feel certain that they
never did any work on this rifle."

So, we have the very first interview statements by Ryder of him being
quoted in an 11-28-63 interview that he DID mount a scope on a non-
Carcano rifle brought into the shop by Oswald, yet, 10-months later, the
WC claims the opposite and it wrote that he never did any work on the
C2766 rifle-in-evidence.

That is a 180-degrees, polar-opposite claim by the WC of what Ryder was
first quoted as saying in his very first statements.

Additionally, the WC wrote that the scope was already mounted when shipped
from Klein's.

Maybe it is my Robin Unger archived, very large copy of the March 1963
captured, so-called, "backyard photos," but when I look at these photos
(even when the shades are inverted) I do not see a scope mounted on that
March 1963 photographed rifle! (does anyone have a link to an enhancement
of any of the "backyard photos" that reveals the scope?)

[claviger]

On Feb 8, 11:46 am, Honor Flight 93 <HONORfligh...@aol.com> wrote:
> http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=nNpSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1H8DAAAAIBAJ&p...
>

> Irving, TX gunsmith Dial Ryder states that the gun brought by an "Oswald"
> to Ryder in October 1963 that Ryder mounted a scope onto and then
> bore-sighted aligned the scope, was not the same type Carcano rifle that
> authorities showed him after the assassination.

Why would LHO have the scope attached under the name Oswald when all
other paperwork pertaining to the two weapons was done with the alias
Hidell?

[Bud]

On Feb 8, 10:18 pm, Honor Flight 93 <HONORfligh...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 12:46 pm, Honor Flight 93 <HONORfligh...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=nNpSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1H8DAAAAIBAJ&p...
>
> > Irving, TX gunsmith Dial Ryder states that the gun brought by an "Oswald"
> > to Ryder in October 1963 that Ryder mounted a scope onto and then
> > bore-sighted aligned the scope, was not the same type Carcano rifle that
> > authorities showed him after the assassination.
>
> 2 (of several) points written by the WC in its WCR, chapter 6, page 315:
>
> "As discussed in chapter IV, the telescopic sight on the C2766
> Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was already mounted when shipped to Oswald, and
> both Ryder and his employer, Charles W. Greener, feel certain that they
> never did any work on this rifle."
>
> So, we have the very first interview statements by Ryder of him being
> quoted in an 11-28-63 interview that he DID mount a scope on a non-
> Carcano rifle brought into the shop by Oswald,

He didn`t identify LHO as the person who brought in the rifle in the
article you presented.

> yet, 10-months later, the
> WC claims the opposite and it wrote that he never did any work on the
> C2766 rifle-in-evidence.

Ryder says he never put a scope on that rifle in the 11-28
interview also. He seems to think he would have remembered that
particular rifle if he had. I remember looking at this a few years
back, it seems that it was Greener`s shop, and he went on vacation,
leaving Ryder to run things right at their busiest time of just before
hunting season, a time when a lot of rifles were brought in for work
to be done on them.

> That is a 180-degrees, polar-opposite claim by the WC of what Ryder was
> first quoted as saying in his very first statements.

How so?

> Additionally, the WC wrote that the scope was already mounted when shipped
> from Klein's.

This would have been after Oswald tried to kill Walker, when he hid
the rifle, possibly by burying it. It`s possible it was damaged,
Oswald brought it in for work to be done on it and Ryder just didn`t
remember the rifle.

[bigdog]

Don't ask intelligent questions.

[Anthony Marsh]

I am not the guy who invented the two rifle theory, but he could easily
have Oswald buying the other rifle with his own name. Or taking in Michael
Paine's rifle to have a scope mounted on it.

Personally I do not believe Ryder's story at all. I think he is just
trying to insert himself into history.

[Anthony Marsh]

Please show me the paperwork for a second rifle with the alias Hidell.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 2/8/2012 10:18 PM, Honor Flight 93 wrote:
> On Feb 8, 12:46 pm, Honor Flight 93<HONORfligh...@aol.com> wrote:
>> http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=nNpSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1H8DAAAAIBAJ&p...
>>
>> Irving, TX gunsmith Dial Ryder states that the gun brought by an "Oswald"
>> to Ryder in October 1963 that Ryder mounted a scope onto and then
>> bore-sighted aligned the scope, was not the same type Carcano rifle that
>> authorities showed him after the assassination.
>
>
> 2 (of several) points written by the WC in its WCR, chapter 6, page 315:
>
> "As discussed in chapter IV, the telescopic sight on the C2766
> Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was already mounted when shipped to Oswald, and
> both Ryder and his employer, Charles W. Greener, feel certain that they
> never did any work on this rifle."
>
> So, we have the very first interview statements by Ryder of him being
> quoted in an 11-28-63 interview that he DID mount a scope on a non-
> Carcano rifle brought into the shop by Oswald, yet, 10-months later, the
> WC claims the opposite and it wrote that he never did any work on the
> C2766 rifle-in-evidence.
>
> That is a 180-degrees, polar-opposite claim by the WC of what Ryder was
> first quoted as saying in his very first statements.
>

No, two different rifles.

> Additionally, the WC wrote that the scope was already mounted when shipped
> from Klein's.
>
> Maybe it is my Robin Unger archived, very large copy of the March 1963
> captured, so-called, "backyard photos," but when I look at these photos
> (even when the shades are inverted) I do not see a scope mounted on that
> March 1963 photographed rifle! (does anyone have a link to an enhancement
> of any of the "backyard photos" that reveals the scope?)
>
>
>

Could you be thinking of the copy of LIFE magazine? They admitted to
having airbrushed out the scope. So eager to participate in the cover-up
they believed early reports about Oswald not getting a scope mounted until
October.


PS. I am not sure what you mean by Honor Flight 93.
What is your political ideology in saying that?
I hope you mean that we should honor the sacrifice and heroism of the
passengers stormed the cockpit and caused the plane to crash in a field
and thus saved the lives of thousands in Washington, D.C.
I personally don't think it honors their memory to use that as a pretext
to invade Iraq or Iran or Syria or North Korea or Yemen or France, etc.

[claviger]

Anthony,

What second rifle? If you will read more carefully I said "two
weapons", an obvious reference to the Carcano and pistol.

[claviger]

On Feb 9, 6:43 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:

Two weapons, not two rifles. He bought the Carcano and pistol under
the name Hidell.