Banister and the ONI
John McAdams
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Here's a few dates and places:
11/5/34 joins FBI as Special Agent, Indianapolis IN
4/24/35 SA in New York City
5/11/38 Assistant SAC in Newark NJ
8/14/38 SAC in Butte MO
8/6/41 "transferred to Oakland City"
11/4/43 "transferred back to Butte"
10/1/51 SAC in Minneapolis MN
1/4/54 SAC in Chicago IL
12/12/54 retires from FBI
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Dave, or anybody else, can you give me a source for this?
Obviously, this is one of "Garrison's lies" -- unless somebody can
come up with a plausible hypothesis about how Garrison might simply
have been misinformed about this. Garrison asked: "Was it just
conincidence . . . that Guy Banister, who had begun his career in
World War II with the O.N.I., had chosen an office right across the
street from his old employers?" OTTOTA, p. 26.
.John
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Dave Reitzes
>From: 6489mc...@vms.csd.mu.edu (John McAdams)
>
>Dave Blackburst posted this chronology of Guy Banister's career.
>
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>
>Here's a few dates and places:
>
> 11/5/34 joins FBI as Special Agent, Indianapolis IN
>
> 4/24/35 SA in New York City
>
> 5/11/38 Assistant SAC in Newark NJ
>
> 8/14/38 SAC in Butte MO
>
> 8/6/41 "transferred to Oakland City"
>
> 11/4/43 "transferred back to Butte"
>
> 10/1/51 SAC in Minneapolis MN
>
> 1/4/54 SAC in Chicago IL
>
> 12/12/54 retires from FBI
>
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>Dave, or anybody else, can you give me a source for this?
Guy Banister, autobiographical sketch, FBI #62-103863-13, cited in Vol. X,
paragraph 483. The following paragraph indicates that the HSCA examined
FBI files (and CIA, for that matter) relating to Banister, so presumably
the verifiable information in Banister's sketch checks out. (The HSCA was
apparently unable to verify Banister's claim in this sketch that he was
born in a log cabin, so they qualify that statement with an "according
to.")
>Obviously, this is one of "Garrison's lies" -- unless somebody can
>come up with a plausible hypothesis about how Garrison might simply
>have been misinformed about this. Garrison asked: "Was it just
>conincidence . . . that Guy Banister, who had begun his career in
>World War II with the O.N.I., had chosen an office right across the
>street from his old employers?" OTTOTA, p. 26.
>
>.John
To my knowledge, Garrison has never cited a source for this claim, but
Bill Turner *almost* has. In "The Garrison Commission" (*Ramparts, Jan.
1968), Turner writes, "A man who knew Banister well has told Garrison that
Banister became associated with the Office of Naval Intelligence through
the recommendation of Guy Johnson, an ONI reserve officer and the first
attorney for Clay Shaw when he was arrested by Garrison" (*The
Assassinations: Dallas and Beyond,* Scott, Hoch, Stetler, eds., 284).
Turner, obviously, does not name Garrison's source.
Problem: We know from *OTTOTA* that Garrison considered Johnson "a friend
of mine" (1991 ed., 29 fn.). But Garrison doesn't name Johnson as his
source for this info, nor did his friend Guy Johnson ever seem to correct
Garrison about this Banister-ONI (or Johnson recommendation) claim.
(Garrison *never* discussed it at all with his pal Johnson?) BTW, I don't
recall Johnson being Shaw's lawyer at this time, though perhaps David
Blackburst or Jerry Shinley know better. It was the Wegmann brothers and
Sal Panzeca that Shaw phoned from NOPD the day he was arrested.
Yet another BTW -- Contrary to what Bill Davy says in his new book, this
Guy Johnson -- Guy Persac Johnson -- is *not* the Guy Johnson -- Guy D.
Johnson -- who was approved for the mysterious QK/ENCHANT operation.
Guy Persac Johnson was the ONI-lawyer guy, while Guy D. Johnson was in the
export business, which supports the claim that QK/ENCHANT was an operation
involved with gathering international trade intelligence.
Jerry Shinley posted Guy D. Johnson's obituary:
(end quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
New York Times Feb 8, 1971 P36
Guy Johnson, 85, Type Exporter
Head of Company Dealing in Printing Gear Dies
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Guy D. Johnson, president of Guy D. Johnson, Inc., exporters of
printing equipment, died at his home yesterday. He was 85 years old
and lived at 969 Park Avenue.
Mr. Johnson was born in New Orleans on Oct. 8, 1885. He spent
three years in railroad work in Central America before joining
National Paper and Type Company, a printing equipment exporter in
1907.
He spent 45 years with that company, serving as president from
1945 to 1953. In the latter year he organized his own company, in
which he had been active until recently.
Mr. Johnson had traveled extensively in Latin America, selling
printing equipment, and was well known as an authority in graphic
arts.
[...]
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Anyway, it's not clear where Garrison got his Banister-ONI claim, nor is
it clear why he believed his friend Guy Johnson had anything to do with
Banister and the ONI, when Johnson presumably could have offered some
information on this.
Trivia question: Only one other person is known to have claimed that Guy
Banister served in the Armed Forces in WWII. Name that witness.
Dave
jpsh...@my-deja.com
drei...@aol.com (Dave Reitzes) wrote:
> >Subject: Banister and the ONI
> >From: 6489mc...@vms.csd.mu.edu (John McAdams)
> >
> >Dave Blackburst posted this chronology of Guy Banister's career.
> >
> ><Quote on>
> >
> >Here's a few dates and places:
> >
> > 11/5/34 joins FBI as Special Agent, Indianapolis IN
> >
> > 4/24/35 SA in New York City
> >
> > 5/11/38 Assistant SAC in Newark NJ
> >
> > 8/14/38 SAC in Butte MO
> >
> > 8/6/41 "transferred to Oakland City"
> >
> > 11/4/43 "transferred back to Butte"
> >
> > 10/1/51 SAC in Minneapolis MN
> >
> > 1/4/54 SAC in Chicago IL
> >
> > 12/12/54 retires from FBI
> >
> ><Quote off>
> >
> >Dave, or anybody else, can you give me a source for this?
>
> Guy Banister, autobiographical sketch, FBI #62-103863-13, cited in Vol. X,
> paragraph 483. The following paragraph indicates that the HSCA examined
> FBI files (and CIA, for that matter) relating to Banister, so presumably
> the verifiable information in Banister's sketch checks out. (The HSCA was
> apparently unable to verify Banister's claim in this sketch that he was
> born in a log cabin, so they qualify that statement with an "according
> to.")
>
RECORD NUMBER : 180-10096-1011
AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 007271 [5 OF 6]
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ORIGINATOR : NEW ORLEANS DISTRICT ATTORNEY
FROM : BANISTER, GUY
TITLE : BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH
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BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH
W. Guy Banister
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I was born in a log cabin in Caldwell Parish on March 7, 1901, the
son of William Henry Banister and Aline Gregory Bainster, the oldest
of 7 children.
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I was educated in the Public Schools of Louisiana and attended
Louisiana State University and Soule College of New Orleans.
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The beginning of my career as an investigator was with the Monroe
Police Department. I received an appointment as Patrolman in
December 1929. About two weeks later, the Superintendent of Police
asked me to take a course in stenography, afterwhich he would assign
me to his office as his secretary with the pay of a sergeant. This
was done at the end of six months from the date of my first
appointment. About six months later, the Superintendent died and I
was assigned duties that made me, actually, the Chief of Detectives.
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On November 5, 1934, I was sworn in as Special Agent, Division
of Investigation, U.S. Department of Justice. The name of this
organization was changed a short time later to the Federal Bureau
of Investigation.
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In May, 1938, I was promoted to the position which now bears
the title of Assistant Special Agent in Charge and assigned to
the Newark, New Jersey office.
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In August, 1938, I was promoted to the office of Special Agent
in Charge and assigned to the Butte, Montana Office. This occurred
less than four years from the date I entered on duty with the FBI.
I served in this position until my retirement on December 31, 1954.
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I served in the Butte Division until October 1941, when I was
transferred to the Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Division where I stayed
until November, 1943, when I was transferred back to the Butte
Division.
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In September 1952, I was transferred to the Minneapolis,
Minnesota Division, where I remained until the last of December 1953,
when I was transferred to the Chicago, Illinois Division. I remained
there until the date of my retirement.
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I have been informed that up to the time of my retirement, I
had served longer in the position of Special Agent in Charge than
any other person, a period of nearly seventeen years.
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After retirement, I accepted an invitation from Mayor Delesseps S.
Morrison to join the New Orleans Police Department with the assignment
of cleaing up the Police Organized Graft System. This period was from
1955 to 1957. Many Police Officers were indicted. Some were tried and
convicted in different courts, as the cases were prepared for
Federal or State action. Others where removed from office and their
cases were handled by the City Civil Service Commission.
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Cases of malfeasance, etc. were prepared, and submitted to the
Orleans Parish Grand Jury, against Mayor Morrison, Superintendent of
Police Provosty A. Dayries and District Attorney Leon Dayries Hubert.
The cases were "tried" before the Grand Jury and no indictments
were returned.
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Since February 1958, I have been engaged as a private investigator
and criminologist and as President, Guy Banister Associates, Inc. I
am organizing at this time a family real estate corporation.
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While serving with the FBI as Special Agent in Charge, I supervised
the investigative work of several hundred Special Agents and
administered the affairs of the Division under my command.
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The investigations could be, and were made in cases involving some
140 Federal laws, including anti-trust laws, bankruptcy, bank
defalcations, bank robbery, extortion, kidnapping, murder,
treason, espionage, sabotage and subversive activities cases.
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As a part of my duties, I supervised the training of thousands of
local law enforcement officers. I intoduced an innovation in law
enforcement training. Major Universities were brought into the work,
not as done in Louisiana where the University, apparently, takes the
lead in establishing the curriculum, standards to be met, selection
of instructors, etc., but the training courses were prepared by me.
This was done by being accepted as a member of the teaching staff. The
Universities concerned were: The University of Idaho, The Greater
University of Montana, the University of South Dakota and the
University of Minnesota.
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I am a communicant of the Baptist Church and have served as
church moderator, deacon, trustee and Sunday School Teacher.
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I am a Past Master of Graham Surghnor Lodge #383, F. & A. M.,
Monroe, Louisiana. I still hold my membership there.
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I am a member of the Scottish Rite and of Jerusalem Temple,
New Orleans, Louisiana.
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I am married to the former Mary Wortham of Oak Grove, La. We have
one daughter, Mrs. Donald Duvio, and have three grandsons.
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My only living brother is D. Ross Banister, General Counsel,
Louisiana State Highway Department. My mother, Mrs. Aline Banister,
still resides in the family home in Monroe.
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[end of bio.]
>
> >Obviously, this is one of "Garrison's lies" -- unless somebody can
> >come up with a plausible hypothesis about how Garrison might simply
> >have been misinformed about this. Garrison asked: "Was it just
> >conincidence . . . that Guy Banister, who had begun his career in
> >World War II with the O.N.I., had chosen an office right across the
> >street from his old employers?" OTTOTA, p. 26.
> >
> >.John
>
> To my knowledge, Garrison has never cited a source for this claim, but
> Bill Turner *almost* has. In "The Garrison Commission" (*Ramparts, Jan.
> 1968), Turner writes, "A man who knew Banister well has told Garrison that
> Banister became associated with the Office of Naval Intelligence through
> the recommendation of Guy Johnson, an ONI reserve officer and the first
> attorney for Clay Shaw when he was arrested by Garrison" (*The
> Assassinations: Dallas and Beyond,* Scott, Hoch, Stetler, eds., 284).
>
> Turner, obviously, does not name Garrison's source.
>
> Problem: We know from *OTTOTA* that Garrison considered Johnson "a friend
> of mine" (1991 ed., 29 fn.). But Garrison doesn't name Johnson as his
> source for this info, nor did his friend Guy Johnson ever seem to correct
> Garrison about this Banister-ONI (or Johnson recommendation) claim.
> (Garrison *never* discussed it at all with his pal Johnson?) BTW, I don't
> recall Johnson being Shaw's lawyer at this time, though perhaps David
> Blackburst or Jerry Shinley know better. It was the Wegmann brothers and
> Sal Panzeca that Shaw phoned from NOPD the day he was arrested.
>
between Shaw's arrest and the preliminary hearing. He and the
Wegmanns were partners in the law firm of Herve Racivitch, who
was DA from 1946 to 1950. Johnson and one or both of the Wegmanns
served as assistant DAs during that time.
>
> Dave
>
>
Jerry Shinley
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6489mc...@vms.csd.mu.edu (John McAdams) wrote:
> Dave Blackburst posted this chronology of Guy Banister's career.
>
> <Quote on>
>
> Here's a few dates and places:
>
> 11/5/34 joins FBI as Special Agent, Indianapolis IN
>
> 4/24/35 SA in New York City
>
> 5/11/38 Assistant SAC in Newark NJ
>
> 8/14/38 SAC in Butte MO
>
> 8/6/41 "transferred to Oakland City"
>
> 11/4/43 "transferred back to Butte"
>
> 10/1/51 SAC in Minneapolis MN
>
> 1/4/54 SAC in Chicago IL
>
> 12/12/54 retires from FBI
>
> <Quote off>
>
> Dave, or anybody else, can you give me a source for this?
>
> come up with a plausible hypothesis about how Garrison might simply
> have been misinformed about this. Garrison asked: "Was it just
> conincidence . . . that Guy Banister, who had begun his career in
> World War II with the O.N.I., had chosen an office right across the
> street from his old employers?" OTTOTA, p. 26.
>
> .John
>
John, I know the Debunkers have been on to this as a "factoid" for some
time now, but there is a big gap in the career between Butte and
Minnenapolis, and a detailed report on Bannister's file fails to show a
Navy let alone an ONI connection, but Tony Summers, and I will get you a
quotable source on this though it is not handy at the momen, Tony cites
Bannister's family as his source for Navy work during the war. This could,
of course, come as an FBI or other agency liason with the ONI, rather than
assignment with the Navy.
One way or another however, it should be cleared up, a conclusion
based not just on family recollection or official records, both of which
seem to be inconclusive.
Bill Kelly
John McAdams
Thanks for the lead. I have my copy of Summers' CONSPIRACY (Paragon
House, 1989) and on page 290 is says:
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In World War II -- according to his family -- he distinguished himself
with Naval Intelligence, a connection he reportedly maintained all his
life.
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It's plausible that Garrisoo might have *gotten* this from an earlier
edition of Summers, since he had certainly read Summers, and denounced
his book as a "CIA book!"
See:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/toole.txt
So I may delete this from my "Garrison's lies" web page, on the grounds
that I don't put stuff there that Garrison may have honestly believed --
no matter how wacky. The page is for stuff that he had to know was
untrue. However, the fact that Garrison had an ONI buddy, and
apparently didn't bother to ask him about Banister is "suspicious" :-).
Anybody wanting to look at the current draft can see:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jimlie.htm
> One way or another however, it should be cleared up, a conclusion
> based not just on family recollection or official records, both of which
> seem to be inconclusive.
> Bill Kelly
>
I think the material Dave and Jerry have posted is pretty conclusive he
wasn't in the ONI. I can't rule out your liason suggestion, however.
And you may have convinced me that it wasn't a "Garrison lie." Just a
factoid.
.John
--
Dave Reitzes
Garrison was claiming Banister to be ONI at least as early as 1968. (See my
previous post in this thread.)
>See:
>
>http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/toole.txt
>
>So I may delete this from my "Garrison's lies" web page, on the grounds
>that I don't put stuff there that Garrison may have honestly believed --
>no matter how wacky.
Again, I would refer you to my previous post in this thread. Garrison should
have been able to confirm the ONI info with his friend, Guy Johnson.
The page is for stuff that he had to know was
>untrue. However, the fact that Garrison had an ONI buddy, and
>apparently didn't bother to ask him about Banister is "suspicious" :-).
Very suspicious.
>Anybody wanting to look at the current draft can see:
>
>http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jimlie.htm
>
>
>> One way or another however, it should be cleared up, a conclusion
>> based not just on family recollection or official records, both of which
>> seem to be inconclusive.
>> Bill Kelly
>>
>
>I think the material Dave and Jerry have posted is pretty conclusive he
>wasn't in the ONI. I can't rule out your liason suggestion, however.
>And you may have convinced me that it wasn't a "Garrison lie." Just a
>factoid.
>
>.John
Garrison had no business passing on information he could not support. If that
doesn't make it a lie, it's still deceptive.
Dave