For Tony
Steve
Pull out your ***recording of channel 1***, listen to the section you
claim contains the words "Take off, Buddy!" type out the LAST words
spoken ***right BEFORE*** we should hear your "Take off, Buddy!" and
post it here. If you do not completely understand the last words
spoken before the section where you say you hear the words "Take off,
Buddy!", then please type out an idea of what you think is spoken.
Don't bring up any other subjects or points into the discussion until
AFTER you have done so, just type it up and post it here, please.
Thank you.
Steve Barber
jwrush
"Steve" <drumr...@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
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He won't answer you. His story about this "take off Buddy" has changed quite
a lot. He won't answer my questions about it either.
Steve
> Please respond to this, Tony:
> Pull out your ***recording of channel 1***, listen to the section you
> claim contains the words "Take off, Buddy!" type out the LAST words
> spoken ***right BEFORE*** we should hear your "Take off, Buddy!" and
> post it here. If you do not completely understand the last words
> spoken before the section where you say you hear the words "Take off,
> Buddy!", then please type out an idea of what you think is spoken.
> Don't bring up any other subjects or points into the discussion until
> AFTER you have done so, just type it up and post it here, please.
JWRush wrote:
He won't answer you. His story about this "take off Buddy" has changed
quite a lot. He won't answer my questions about it either.
Steve Barber writes:
Yes, I noticed this... the point where he asks you "What is this "it's"
you are talking about" then goes on to say that there are "two distinct
messages" now instead of the "Take off, Buddy!" message. Tony still hasnt
responded to the threads I posted" For Tony" and
((((((((((((((((((ATTENTION: TONY MARSH))))))))))))))))))))))). I think
we know why. ;-)
Anthony Marsh
Not quite a lot. About the only thing that I have changed, is that I don't
think it had to be someone else yelling to McLain. It could be McLain
yelling to Buddy Brewer or someone else. I don't think the word Buddy has
to mean someone's given name. It could be just a nickname or a term of
familiarity.
--
Anthony Marsh
The Puzzle Palace http://www.boston.quik.com/amarsh
jwrush
"Anthony Marsh" <ama...@quik.com> wrote in message
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Why would they be yelling that at the Trade Mart 3-1/2 minutes after the
assassination?
jwrush
Maybe someone needs to send him a good quality copy of the recording. I
think he might be using 25 year old transcripts with skips in it.
jwrush
You already gave us the timing of "take off Buddy", at 268.5 seconds after
the start of the stuck microphone sequence. That places the "take off Buddy"
segment at the start of the siren sequence at the Trade Mart about 3-1/2
minutes after the assassination. Your "take off Buddy" is way out of place,
and it sounds more like "checked out on traffic" which was an answer to the
previous question asked a few seconds earlier.
Anthony Marsh
It was not at the Trade Mart and it was not 3-1/2 minutes after the
assassination. The idea is that McLain was going through Dealey Plaza
very slowly. He may have slowed down to see what other officers were
doing and if he could help. Then the other officer waved him off because
he had heard the order to go to the hospital which McLain could not have
heard because his radio was tuned to channel 1 and stuck open.
jwrush
Huh??
The "hey buddy" thing happens about 3 to 3-1/2 minutes after the
assassination. I think if there were any sirens racing into Dealey Plaza,
they would have had a different pattern than just several of them passing
through the Plaza. So they wouldn't match what is heard on the recording.
There was no way any motorcycle in the Plaza could have waited that long
and then caught up with the motorcade before it got to Parkland from the
Trade Mart.
We know the front vehicles of the motorcade passed the Trade Mart at about
the time the siren sounds are heard on Channel 1. That means the stuck
microphone was at the Trade Mart. There is no way to avoid that.
I'm sorry, but you are grasping at straws and none of your speculations
are correct and they don't fit any known facts of the recording.
Steve
The Mark Bell film shows McLain travelling past officer Hargis over
twnty seconds after the shooting. Where Bell leaves off, Wilma Bond
and Frank Cancellare photograph McLain on his way out of DP. McLain is
also seen in the Couch film. McLain didnt hang around DP at all, and
you should know this from the photos and film footage taken within
seconds of the shooting.
Steve
previously. My point/post is directed at Tony Marsh.
JW Rush wrote:
> Why would they be yelling that at the Trade Mart 3-1/2 minutes after the
> assassination?
Tony Marsh wrote:
It was not at the Trade Mart and it was not 3-1/2 minutes after the
assassination. The idea is that McLain was going through Dealey Plaza
very slowly. He may have slowed down to see what other officers were
doing and if he could help. Then the other officer waved him off
because
he had heard the order to go to the hospital which McLain could not
have
heard because his radio was tuned to channel 1 and stuck open.
Steve writes:
All speculation. Every word of this, Tony.
jwrush
I don't care what McLain did in the Plaza 3 1/2 minutes after the
assassination. This has nothing to do with the motorcade sirens passing the
Trade Mart at that time. This has nothing to do with the House Committee's
"gunshots" being right in the middle of Decker's "hold everything secure"
statement, which occurred more than a minute after the assassination. The
House Committee just messed up and they added their 1978 gunshots at the
wrong place on the Channel 1 recording. They could have maybe gotten away
with their hoax had they put the 1978 gunshots more than a minute earlier on
the recording.
Anthony Marsh
Well, this is a first, everyone. Now Rush has a conspiracy theory that
the HSCA dubbed the test shots onto the channel 1 tape. This shows how
little Rush understands of the nature of the shots found on the DPD
tape. The specific pattern of echoes that BBN found on the tape MUST be
slightly different from the test shots they recorded, because when they
fired their test shots they did not place the microphone in exactly the
same position as where the cycle with the open microphone was. And the
open microphone was moving through Dealey Plaza, whereas the test
microphones were stationary. So a test shot could never match perfectly
to a shot on the DPD tape.
Steve
the HSCA dubbed the test shots onto the channel 1 tape. This shows how
little Rush understands of the nature of the shots found on the DPD
tape. The specific pattern of echoes that BBN found on the tape MUST be
slightly different from the test shots they recorded, because when they
fired their test shots they did not place the microphone in exactly the
same position as where the cycle with the open microphone was. And the
open microphone was moving through Dealey Plaza, whereas the test
microphones were stationary. So a test shot could never match perfectly
to a shot on the DPD tape.
Excuse me, but, where does Johann say the words "test shots" in
describing the HSCA gunshots being at the wrong place?
The word "test" is your addition to what he said. Try checkinjg with
someone before you try and turn it into a "conspiracy theory".
Now, how about responding to my posts that have, thus far, gone up 3
different times, 3 dufferent days, under 3 different titles? Your
silence on the issue is quite telling, I must add.
Steve
here--REPOSTING:
JW Rush wrote:
I don't care what McLain did in the Plaza 3 1/2 minutes after the
assassination. This has nothing to do with the motorcade sirens passing
the
Trade Mart at that time. This has nothing to do with the House
Committee's
"gunshots" being right in the middle of Decker's "hold everything
secure"
statement, which occurred more than a minute after the assassination.
The
House Committee just messed up and they added their 1978 gunshots at
the
wrong place on the Channel 1 recording. They could have maybe gotten
away
with their hoax had they put the 1978 gunshots more than a minute
earlier on
the recording.
Tony wrote:
Well, this is a first, everyone. Now Rush has a conspiracy theory that
the HSCA dubbed the test shots onto the channel 1 tape. This shows how
little Rush understands of the nature of the shots found on the DPD
tape. The specific pattern of echoes that BBN found on the tape MUST be
slightly different from the test shots they recorded, because when they
fired their test shots they did not place the microphone in exactly the
same position as where the cycle with the open microphone was. And the
open microphone was moving through Dealey Plaza, whereas the test
microphones were stationary. So a test shot could never match perfectly
to a shot on the DPD tape.
Steve writes:
Excuse me, but, where does Johann say the words "test shots" in
describing the HSCA gunshots being at the wrong place?
The word "test" is your addition to what he said. Try checking with
someone before you try and turn it into a "conspiracy theory".
Now, how about responding to my posts that have, thus far, gone up 3
different times, 3 different days, under 3 different titles? Your
silence on the issue is quite telling, I must add.
Steve
jwrush
Groden did it for them and the "sound" version of the Zapruder film was
shown to the Committee and on PBS TV. It contained the 1963 Zapruder film
with four 1978 gunshots on the sound track.
I've got a video of Blakey showing the fake "sound" film on NBC in 1981.
I've sent out nearly 40 copies of this video during the past two months.
>This shows how little Rush understands of the nature of the shots found on
>the DPD tape. The specific pattern of echoes that BBN found on the tape
>MUST be slightly different from the test shots they recorded, because when
>they fired their test shots they did not place the microphone in exactly
>the same position as where the cycle with the open microphone was.
What is on the sound track shown to Congress in 1978 and on PBS, and on NBC
in 1981 is the Zapruder film with "POW! POW! POW! POW!" gunshot sounds
recorded in 1978. The acoustics evidence was a hoax. And on the sound track
can not be heard "hold everything secure" by Decker because Groden kept it
off the sound track.
On the other hand, the 1979 Gallery recording has "POW! POW! ...hold
everything secure... POW! POW!" on it, because in that version, the 1978
gunshots were superimposed over the 1963 Channel 1 recording.
And the
> open microphone was moving through Dealey Plaza, whereas the test
> microphones were stationary. So a test shot could never match perfectly to
> a shot on the DPD tape.
The 1978 test shots are on the HSCA "sound" version of the Zapruder film
that was shown before the full Committee in 1978, also shown on PBS TV in
1978, also shown on NBC TV in 1981, and also on the 1979 Gallery record. If
this is not a government and mass-media "hoax", then I don't know what a
"hoax" is.
jwrush
The HSCA "gunshots" were what their sound lab originally called some of the
noise spikes on a visual waveform print-out of the Channel 1 recording. The
spikes they claimed were "gunshots" were in the wrong place on the
recording.
Later, Robert Groden produced a "sound version" of the Zapruder film which
contains the real sounds of 4 test gunshots fired in Dealey Plaza in 1978.
Later Blakey showed that faked film on NBC, which you have on your copy of
my DVD.
On that program, Dick Cavett claimed the four loud gunshots came from the
Dallas police recording, because that's what Blakey wanted him to think.
This is what Robert Groden wanted the public to think. So it was Cavett who
said on NBC that the loud "pow" sounds came from the Dallas police
recording, because he thought that was what Blakey was telling him. Blakey
allowed him to say that and he never corrected him, because Blakey wanted
the public to think that the loud "pow" sounds were recorded in 1963, not
1978.
So it was a double hoax: 1) the waveform spikes were not gunshot spikes
because they were more than a minute out of place (as you first pointed
out), and 2) the "sound" version of the Zapruder film was a fake and a hoax
because those gunshots were recorded in 1978.
Anthony Marsh
Well, when it suited your purposes you said that McLain was correct when
he himself said that he hung around in Dealey Plaza, even putting him at
the corner of Main and Houston during the head shot. The Cancellare
photo shows McLain not much farther down than where he would have been
at the time of the head shot and this is about 30 seconds later. Notice
all the photographers on the grassy knoll who had jumped out of the
camera cars and run over there. That takes more than just 1 or 2
seconds. And he is being overtaken by an escort cyclist who had been far
behind him. He is going very slowly.
And I do know that being in the same place for 30 seconds IS hanging
around DP.
Anthony Marsh
Interesting idea, but it has nothing to do with what I said. I did not
mention any sirens racing into Dealey Plaza. Could there have been some?
Maybe. I did not say that the siren was passing McLain while he was in
Dealey Plaza.
I did not state that McLain was staying in Dealey Plaza while the sirens
are heard. Now, could a cycle have stayed in the Plaza for a minute or
so and then caught up with the motorcade later? Why, yes. McLain did, as
we can see him in the Cancellare photo and he helped at the hospital. Or
Courson. They both can be seen in the Bond photo in which we also see
Hargis still on foot on Elm Street and several photographers on the
grassy knoll. All of this could not have happened within a few seconds
of the head shot.
> We know the front vehicles of the motorcade passed the Trade Mart at about
> the time the siren sounds are heard on Channel 1. That means the stuck
> microphone was at the Trade Mart. There is no way to avoid that.
>
There is nothing wrong with your speculating that the front vehicles
were near the Trade Mart at the time of the siren sounds. That is a
couple of minutes after the shooting. OK. But that does not mean the
stuck open microphone was parked at the Trade Mart. He was one of the
cycles speeding along the road near the Trade Mart, tying to catch up
with the limousine.
> I'm sorry, but you are grasping at straws and none of your speculations
> are correct and they don't fit any known facts of the recording.
>
jwrush
Your "let's hit the road buddy" thing happens during the siren sequence on
Channel 1. You gave me the location on the tape earlier when you gave me the
seconds after the start of the stuck microphone sequence, which you said was
"268.5". That's during the siren sequence. That's about 3-1/2 minutes after
the assassination when the head of the motorcade is passing the Trade Mart
on the way to Parkland.
Steve
Steve wrote:
> All speculation. Every word of this.
> The Mark Bell film shows McLain travelling past officer Hargis over
> twnty seconds after the shooting. Where Bell leaves off, Wilma Bond
> and Frank Cancellare photograph McLain on his way out of DP. McLain is
> also seen in the Couch film. McLain didnt hang around DP at all, and
> you should know this from the photos and film footage taken within
> seconds of the shooting.
Tony wrote:
Well, when it suited your purposes you said that McLain was correct
when
he himself said that he hung around in Dealey Plaza
Steve writes:
Hmmm..I would have to see where you are getting this from. Produce
it, reference it or whatever it takes for me to see it, please.
Tony wrote:
even putting him at
the corner of Main and Houston during the head shot.
Steve writes:
Yes, that is correct because the Dorman fiootage shows him there.
Tony wrote:
The Cancellare
photo shows McLain not much farther down than where he would have been
at the time of the head shot and this is about 30 seconds later. Notice
all the photographers on the grassy knoll who had jumped out of the
camera cars and run over there. That takes more than just 1 or 2
seconds. And he is being overtaken by an escort cyclist who had been
far
behind him. He is going very slowly.
And I do know that being in the same place for 30 seconds IS hanging
around DP.
Steve writes:
If you want torefer to it as " hanging around", well...whatever blows
your hair back...I guess.
I don't refer to it as "hanging around", though.
Now. How about stopping the ignoring mood you are in and respond to
the threads concerning yourself and a claim that you have made, that I
have posted here under 3 threads now, titled" "For Tony",
((((((((((((((((((Attention : TONY MARSH)))))))))))))))))))), and
"Anthony Marsh-for the 3rd time, PLEASE respond to this post!" ????
We are waiting...
Steve
Anthony Marsh
> Steve wrote:
>
>>All speculation. Every word of this.
>
>
>>The Mark Bell film shows McLain travelling past officer Hargis over
>>twnty seconds after the shooting. Where Bell leaves off, Wilma Bond
>>and Frank Cancellare photograph McLain on his way out of DP. McLain is
>>also seen in the Couch film. McLain didnt hang around DP at all, and
>>you should know this from the photos and film footage taken within
>>seconds of the shooting.
>
>
> Tony wrote:
>
> Well, when it suited your purposes you said that McLain was correct
> when
> he himself said that he hung around in Dealey Plaza
>
> Steve writes:
>
> Hmmm..I would have to see where you are getting this from. Produce
> it, reference it or whatever it takes for me to see it, please.
>
Bob Cutler.
> Tony wrote:
>
> even putting him at
> the corner of Main and Houston during the head shot.
>
>
> Steve writes:
>
> Yes, that is correct because the Dorman fiootage shows him there.
>
No, it does not. I said MAIN and Houston, not ELM and Houston.
Your whole argument was that McLain was waiting too far back to have
gotten to the corner of Elm and Houston in time to be at the correct
place to record the shots.
> Tony wrote:
>
> The Cancellare
> photo shows McLain not much farther down than where he would have been
> at the time of the head shot and this is about 30 seconds later. Notice
>
> all the photographers on the grassy knoll who had jumped out of the
> camera cars and run over there. That takes more than just 1 or 2
> seconds. And he is being overtaken by an escort cyclist who had been
> far
> behind him. He is going very slowly.
> And I do know that being in the same place for 30 seconds IS hanging
> around DP.
>
>
> Steve writes:
>
> If you want torefer to it as " hanging around", well...whatever blows
> your hair back...I guess.
> I don't refer to it as "hanging around", though.
>
I prefer to say going slowly. Someone else started using the phrase
"hanging around."
Anthony Marsh
> I suppose I had better put the headers above who said what
> here--REPOSTING:
>
Is there any chance that you'll learn how to quote correctly?
Right here:
>>they added their 1978 gunshots at the
>> wrong place on the Channel 1 recording.
That means the test shots recorded in 1978. This is one of the wackiest
theories that I have ever heard of.
> The word "test" is your addition to what he said. Try checking with
> someone before you try and turn it into a "conspiracy theory".
>
No, the 1978 gunshots ARE the test shots, unless of course you know of
another assassination which occurred in 1978 in Dealey Plaza.
> Now, how about responding to my posts that have, thus far, gone up 3
> different times, 3 different days, under 3 different titles? Your
> silence on the issue is quite telling, I must add.
>
> Steve
>
>
Steve
> I suppose I had better put the headers above who said what
> here--REPOSTING:
Tony writes:
Is there any chance that you'll learn how to quote correctly?
DANGER! STRANGER! I *am* trying!
- Show quoted text -
John Fiorentino
I'm just going to butt in for a minute....mainly because this stuff makes my
blood boil.
STEVE is THE authority on the acoustical "evidence."
STEVE demonstrates conclusively that the "shots" touted by Blakey's HSCA
were NOT contemporaneous to the assassination. There is no need to speculate
any further.
Jwrush is certainly on to something. And something which I hope to discuss
in detail in my book.
Do you REALLY want a "conspiracy" Tony?
Well, you probably have one. It's just not the one you are thinking of.
Everyone, save for a very few address the burning questions raised by the
HSCA's "acoustic experts."
Ask yourself this..........If the "shots" were not contemporaneous to the
assassination, (and they were not)......then just what was it the HSCA was
analyzing?
The questions they raised themselves in their reports, come back to haunt
them.
How do they place for instance a "shooter" within several feet of the fence
on the knoll by "matching" shots to their tests (in 1978).......... to shots
recorded in 1963 which weren't in Dealey Plaza, and which were NOT at the
time of the assassination? And of course considering that, weren't even
gunshots.
Ah, just start with that one...........poopie on their "science." The whole
damn thing was a sham. And who was the orchestra leader? .......... G.
Robert Blakey
Want a "conspiracy?".........Well now you have one.
John F.
Anthony Marsh <ama...@quik.com> wrote in message
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Anthony Marsh
> Anthony:
>
> I'm just going to butt in for a minute....mainly because this stuff makes my
> blood boil.
>
> STEVE is THE authority on the acoustical "evidence."
>
> STEVE demonstrates conclusively that the "shots" touted by Blakey's HSCA
> were NOT contemporaneous to the assassination. There is no need to speculate
> any further.
>
> Jwrush is certainly on to something. And something which I hope to discuss
> in detail in my book.
>
> Do you REALLY want a "conspiracy" Tony?
>
> Well, you probably have one. It's just not the one you are thinking of.
>
Spit it out man!
I'll give you plenty of rope.
> Everyone, save for a very few address the burning questions raised by the
> HSCA's "acoustic experts."
>
> Ask yourself this..........If the "shots" were not contemporaneous to the
> assassination, (and they were not)......then just what was it the HSCA was
> analyzing?
>
> The questions they raised themselves in their reports, come back to haunt
> them.
>
> How do they place for instance a "shooter" within several feet of the fence
> on the knoll by "matching" shots to their tests (in 1978).......... to shots
> recorded in 1963 which weren't in Dealey Plaza, and which were NOT at the
> time of the assassination? And of course considering that, weren't even
> gunshots.
>
> Ah, just start with that one...........poopie on their "science." The whole
> damn thing was a sham. And who was the orchestra leader? .......... G.
> Robert Blakey
>
No. Blakey was surprised and disappointed when he heard of the shots being
discovered. It was know as "Blakey's problem." He did NOT want the shots
to be there.
> Want a "conspiracy?".........Well now you have one.
>
Come on, now. You can do better. Let's hear you flesh this out.
jwrush
No, he was delighted they were there. That allowed him to write a conspiracy
book and play the fake "sound" version of the Zapruder film on both PBS and
NBC.
Anthony Marsh
You were not there to see his reaction. He was shocked and did not want
the shots to be on the tape.
jwrush
Well he sure changed his mind fast. He was happy to be interviewed by Dick
Cavett and to show his four-gunshot fake Zapruder "sound film" on NBC in
1981.
John Fiorentino
That's crap........Blakey is Mr. "the mob did it." You've been bamboozled
boy.
John F.
Anthony Marsh <ama...@quik.com> wrote in message
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Anthony Marsh
> Tony:
>
> That's crap........Blakey is Mr. "the mob did it." You've been bamboozled
> boy.
>
Baloney. The second HSCA committee was ready to find no conspiracy when
the acoustical evidence reversed their decision. Then Blakey had to come
up with conspirators. He was predisposed to blame the Mob and exonerate
the CIA. Lately he is beginning to learn exactly how much the CIA lied to
him and why.
Anthony Marsh
Again, you are talking about years after the HSCA. I am talking about
the moment during the HSCA when he was informed that that BBN had found
four shots.
John Fiorentino
You say baloney, I say crap......sorta like tomato or Toemato.....you are
partially correct. The HSCA did indeed perform a last minute flip-flop, with
the more than willing assistance of Blakey.
Haven't you ever seen a good acting job Tony? I'm surprised at you. We're
not talking about "years after the HSCA"..........check your schedules son.
"Blakey's problem" is a factoid.
BTW when did Blakey's book come out?.....Do you know?
What "adjustments" had to be made to make Blakey's acoustic evidence "fit?"
What other ideas, aside from the acoustics does the good professor tout?
John F.
Anthony Marsh <ama...@quik.com> wrote in message
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John Fiorentino
I think he's more a "master on the bator".......and I think we all know what
that makes him.
John F.
Anthony Marsh <ama...@quik.com> wrote in message
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> John Fiorentino wrote:
>
> > Anthony:
> >
> > You say baloney, I say crap......sorta like tomato or Toemato.....you
are
> > partially correct. The HSCA did indeed perform a last minute flip-flop,
with
> > the more than willing assistance of Blakey.
> >
> > Haven't you ever seen a good acting job Tony? I'm surprised at you.
We're
> > not talking about "years after the HSCA"..........check your schedules
son.
> > "Blakey's problem" is a factoid.
> >
>
> You were bringing up things from years later.
> "Blakey's problem" was real. Talk to those who were there.
>
> > BTW when did Blakey's book come out?.....Do you know?
> >
>
> 1981.
>
> > What "adjustments" had to be made to make Blakey's acoustic evidence
"fit?"
> >
>
> I have no idea what you are mumbling about.
>
> > What other ideas, aside from the acoustics does the good professor tout?
> >
>
> He is a master on the Mafia.
jwrush
Lol, he probably already had a "No Conspiracy" book just about finished. The
extra gunshot meant he'd have to change all of that and completely rewrite
his book to be a "Conspiracy" book, which would take a lot of extra work.
Who was he to tell the Congressmen what to think about that subject anyway?
He had no technical skills, certainly no audio skills. Anyway, he went on
network TV bragging about the 4 gunshots being found, but of course where
the technicians found them were own their own tapes that they recorded in
Dealey Plaza in 1978.