Wow! Do I have news for you again! The IBM Network Control Unit
continues to do the job it originally did, though it would be a newer
replacement. And there will still be code in that box that will handle
comm needs through the box, and you can be sure that IBM is not going to
publish the source code for the box. If problems arise the fixes will
have to be done directly to the programming that goes in that box. If IBM
were informed and decided to do a fix for the problem, it would take a
month or more and in the meantime you need to get the problem fixed.
General applications programming never had systems hardware/software
problems so you would never have seen those types of situations.
And the place where assembler is demanded is in the online realtime
world, which was usurped by IBM and their stupid CICS. Those companies
that had good responsive systems were always in assembler with multi-task
re-entrant code. You can't get decent re-entrant code in the other
languages. 'C' has some of the features, but not all.
> > mainstream was sold a bill of goods by IBM and others to use COBOL for
> > their online system, so that their dumb old COBOL programmers could work
> > in the online environment, but CICS was a dog and managed to sell many
> > large IBM mainframes to support the slow as a pig system.
> >
> > A wise business decision by IBM, just like PL/1, which also sold IBM
> > hardware to those foolish companies that shifted over to that language.
> >
>
> I imagine Assembler code programs would run more efficiently but languages
> such as COBOL and PL/1 were much easier to program in and application
> software could be developed much more quickly. As mainframes became faster
> and more powerful there simply wasn't a need to continue to code the way
> things were done in the Stone Age. Again, that's progress.
>
A competent assembler programmer could produce a program doing a
certain task as fast or faster than the COBOL and PL/1 people. I know
because I did a comparison in a real setting. I had to rewrite a PL/1
program into assembler. It took me 3 days to get it written and running,
and the original took a month to get running.
> > > We had a few subroutines still in use that had been coded in Assembler
> > > which I had to modify but Assembler was fast becoming the Latin of
> > > programming languages. It was helpful to understand it to give you a clue
> > > as to what was happening internally just as learning Latin can be useful
> > > in understanding English derivatives.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > More news for you. What language do you think IBM uses for their
> > operating systems? While they have developed a 'C' compiler and can run
> > those programs, the IBM mainframes still use direct machine code compiled
> > from assembler instructions. As well, companies that write sophisticated
> > software like antivirus and special utility programs write in assembler
> > too. It's not a dead language, it's been moved upscale to the serious
> > programming level.
> >
>
> I don't doubt that in some circles Assembler language is still used just
> as Latin is still spoken by the College of Cardinals but neither is
> commonplace. Schools aren't turning out Assembler programmers. That's not
> where the demand is.
>
I won't argue that point. The companies have ben sold a bill of goods,
and they go with the languages they have ben convinced to use by the
consultants.
COBOL on the mainframe under CICS, and various products on the PCs,
with 'C++' being used heavily for video games and other complex tasks, and
Visual Basic 6.0 for the simpler programs and systems.
> > And as to having lost any programming abilities, I still program in
> > Visual Basic 6.0 and Visual C++ on my PC for fun. I experiment with HTML
> > and similar languages to keep up my knowledge of what's happening these
> > days.
> >
>
> That's nice. I have had no need nor desire to program anything more
> sophisticated than my coffee machine since I retired. Whatever software I
> need I can buy off the shelf or download from a website.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > >
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/zosbasics/com.ibm.zos.zdatamgmt/zsysprogc_utilities_SPZAP.htm
> > > >
> > > > You'll note in the program description that it speaks of 'patching'.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Anyplace when it talks about hacking which was the starting point of this
> > > discussion?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Of course. Use Google or go here:
> >
> >
https://www.lifewire.com/hackers-good-or-bad-3481592
> >
>
> As the article noted, most people think of the term hacker in the negative
> connotation. What the article referred to as white hat hacking was more
> commonly called patching in my day and I would bet that even today inside
> of companies this authorized hacking is referred to by some other term.
>
In my last company (Financial Services) we hired a group to try to
break into our banking systems. They called it hacking when they went at
it. They were 'white hat hackers'.
Nope, it's a comment on their neutral reporting, that often shows up the
games played by the Republicans on the public. Example is the recent
AHCA.
> > PBS supports many necessary investigational programs
> > like Frontline, Nova, etc.
>
> You mean lthose programs that exposed the fraudulent JFK conspiracy
> theories? Those too have found homes on cable channels such as The History
> Channel and Discovery.
>
Sure thing. And even they can be wrong...:)
Whatever he is better than, he's become obvious as to where his brain
stacks up against the world's leaders. Have you seen the latest leaks of
Trump's transcripts of his private chats with PM Turnbull of Australia and
his talk with the leader in Mexico? A whining child would do better.
Listen to them yourself and decide:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politics/trump-pena-nieto-call-transcript/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/03/mega-leak-transcripts-trumps-foreign-leader-phone-calls-emerge.html
> > He said he would
> > protect their healthcare, by making sure that SS, Medicare and Medicaid
> > wouldn't be touched! Thn he was out on the tube demanding of the Senate
> > that they pass the healthcare bill that would take healthcare away form
> > many millions of people, some of whom would die form that loss. And those
> > people were mainly his voters!
> >
>
> Nothing Trump has proposed would affect SS. Any enhancements to Medicare
> that were the result of Obamacare can be kept in whatever replacement
> Congress is able to agree upon. So until Congress finally acts and Trump
> signs the bill, he has done nothing to undermine Medicare and there is no
> indication that would happen. Politicians in both parties know cutting
> benefits to seniors is the third rail of politics so there is almost no
> chance that is going to happen. He campaigned on a plan to discontinue
> Medicaid grants to states so it simply isn't true that he said Medicaid
> wouldn't be touched.
>
I saw the video of Trump saying that he would protect all 3 of SS.
Medicare, and Medicaid. I think you got led astray. Here's videos with
Trump saying he'll protect the 3, and also of him saying that he knows
that the Republicans want to cut those 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFl0K0DxZFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SKXQeD_nOs
This is Trump talking, so what's your comment? Is he lying, or simply
mistaken...? :)
> "As a reminder, President Trump campaigned on a seven-part health plan.
> With the following changes, he vowed to make health care great again.
>
> 1. Repeal the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare
> 2. Allow selling of health plans across state lines as long as health plans
> follow state guidelines
> 3. Allow individuals to deduct health insurance premiums on their tax
> returns
> 4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSA)
> 5. Require price transparency across the healthcare system
> 6. Discontinue federal grants to states for Medicaid
> 7. Allow expansion into free markets, including purchasing cheaper drugs
> overseas, to decrease the cost of prescription medications"
>
> Note item 6.
>
> I would have provided the link to the full article but for some reason the
> website would not allow me to copy and past it. If you are interested, it
> is on
verywell.com. You'll have to search their site for the article.
>
I believe you found that list. However, it conflicts with his
statements that I linked to above. By stopping grants for Medicaid to the
states, the states will have to shut down their Medicaid because they
don't have the money to afford what the federal gov't has been paying for
all this time. If they suddenly got the bill they would go broke, so they
will have to throw people off or close Medicaid. They don't have the
ability to hold of paying their debts like the feds. I'm sure most people
didn't connect it when they saw that list. It's really what the 'death'
bill said, cut $800 Billion out of Medicaid and dump the bill on the
states. Sneaky!
> > > > He walked into a job he had no clue how to do,
> > >
> > > The position is often called Chief Executive and nobody in recent times if
> > > ever came to the White House with more executive experience than Trump.
> > > He's running the executive branch the way he would run a business. He
> > > gives his people a mission and if they fail to accomplish it he holds them
> > > accountable.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Trump was a failure as a business manager. I know that. No manager
> > berates their employee publicly, you do it privately, but Trump does it in
> > public, like with Sessions. No manager talks openly with the adversary
> > companies, like having Russians into the oval office where they could
> > leave all kinds of spy devices, and then give away your own companies
> > secrets to the adversaries.
> >
>
> It is laughable to say Trump is a failure as a business manager. Like all
> people in business, he has had setbacks but his successes have far
> outweighed the losses. People who go to work for Trump know his style hand
> what is demanded of them. If they do their jobs well they are rewarded
> handsomely. He has many people in his organization who are very loyal to
> him. As an example, Omarosa Manigault who was fired by Trump during the
> first season of the Apprentice found other employment within his
> organization and was brought back for several Celebrity Apprentice
> contests. She campaigned enthusiastically for him in 2016. She now works
> for him within the White House. Sounds like she doesn't think he is such a
> terrible boss.
>
LOL! Or she hit on the formula for manipulating Trump! Suck up and
praise him for anything he says and does.
> >
> > Trump has been bankrupted 6 times, go see if you can find any
> > billionaire that was bankrupted once.
>
> Trump has had companies that go bankrupt. He has never filed for personal
> bankruptcy. Since he is a multi-billionaire, he must be doing something
> right.
>
> > Trump is a bad business manager
> > based on the proof, not fake news, the proof.
>
> I wish I could have failed as well as he has.
>
Anyone can do it that can convince suckers to send him money. Like
Trump University. He had to pay back $25 million there. It was labeled a
scam by the suckers that got took. And to help him keep his millions, he
refuses to pay people back that perform services for him or his buildings.
He puts people out of work when he closes down his failed companies. He
saves money by telling everyone to buy American, then he buys Chinese and
East European for his own products. You're welcome to the moral and
ethical failings if you want them.
> > His efforts in the White
> > House certainly show his lack of management skills.
> >
>
> You people all thought he was a buffoon as a candidate too. How did that
> pan out?
>
Welp, now he's a buffoon in the W.H.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > and in a government with no
> > > > clue how it works or how to get anything done with it. And on top of
> > > > that, he hired many people that also had no clue how to get things done.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Liberals just never learn. They underestimated Trump as a candidate and
> > > now are underestimating him as a president. They made the same mistakes
> > > with Reagan. Then never thought he could get elected either and then were
> > > amazed when he succeeded in doing many of the things he set out to do
> > > despite having a hostile Congress for most of his tenure.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please note that getting elected and managing the gov't of the USA are
> > completely different skills. Getting elected was mostly a lucky thing
> > because Trump's promises were believed.
>
> Gee, I guess no candidate ever got elected by making promises he couldn't
> keep. Like "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like
> your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan".
>
Actually, those were legitimate promises when they were made. They
learned later that the plans many people had were insurance co. scams and
the quality level of Obamacare wouldn't support them. It was actually to
their advantage that the plans were discarded, since they probably
wouldn't have paid off in an accident. And when the bad plans went, the
doctors that only were listed with those plans (why were they all they
could get signed up with?) went too, unless they were signed up with
another plan that the person chose.
> > But now he has to do the job, and
> > he can't find his ass with both hands and a rear view mirror! He is
> > constantly making mistakes and hanging himself on some new foolish
> > comment, and I'm sure Mueller is rubbing his hands together with glee.
> >
>
> How many times during the campaign did the liberal media claim Trump had
> made a fatal blunder. Yet he somehow managed to engineer arguably the
> greatest upset in the history of presidential politics, rivaled only by
> Truman's upset of Dewey in 1948. Things didn't go very smoothly for Reagan
> his first two years either but in 1984 he managed to win 49 of 50 states.
> Liberals fooled themselves into believing Trump wasn't a formidable
> candidate and now they are saying the same things about him as president.
> They never learn.
>
Time will tell. The stats are showing that some of the Trump troops
are leaving him. Not a lot yet, but some are leaving. He's down to 32%
approval and 61% disapproval.
> > > > And here he is hiring and firing every other week trying to get out of
> > > > the Mueller piano which he knows is going to fall on him soon.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Just what evidence has Mueller produced. Oh, I forgot. You're the guy who
> > > doesn't put much faith in evidence. You prefer assumptions.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Can it. You mean you don't understand the rules of the game for these
> > investigations? Mueller is using the FBI for much of his investigative
> > work, as well as lawyers with specific backgrounds,
>
> Like being contributors for Hillary's campaign.
>
So was Trump...does that mean that Trump is also a no good SOB?
> > for instance, he has
> > hired the best lawyer on the East coast familiar with finance and money
> > laundering crimes.
> >
>
> Amazing how you disparage the integrity of the legal profession when you
> are talking about the staff lawyers on the WC but now you are presenting
> these guys as white knights.
>
People vary as to their ethics. Depends also on what they have
decided to work on.
> > Everything they learn is kept totally secret until the final report. And
> > it looks like the Mueller organization is doing much better than the W.H.
> > people at avoiding leaks.
> >
>
> So you are just going to assume they have the goods on Trump.
>
Knowing Trump and his history and his foolishness and his complete
disregard for protecting himself when he should be quiet, I think he and
the kiddies have learned to simply go about their business and ignore the
law and simple pay off where necessary to get out of problems. But not
this problem. It's an easy assumption to make because I've already listed
some of the crimes to you in the past that are already on the books as far
as I'm concerned.
> > > > > > If you think Trump is being honest about his not having anything
> > > > > > illegal or damaging to himself that he's hiding, send him an email telling
> > > > > > him to come clean with everything and await the clearing of his name by
> > > > > > Mueller. So far, the whole Trump family and others have been lying about
> > > > > > Russian in meetings and such, and probably more to come. Get it all out
> > > > > > and stop the drip...drip...drip.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Why should he deny committing a crime for which no one has produced any
> > > > > evidence? There is a story about a young protégé of LBJ's who
> > > > > was making his first run at public office and his campaign was not going
> > > > > well so he turned to his mentor for advice. LBJ suggested he accuse his
> > > > > opponent of having sex with his pig. The protégé said he
> > > > > couldn't say that because it wasn't true. LBJ replied, "Make him deny it".
> > > > > That's what this whole Russia nothing burger is all about.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think you've forgotten again that I've given you a list of the
> > > > crimes committed so far by Trump and family that we publicly know about.
> > >
> > > Yes, you are good at making up shit for which you have no evidence.
> > >
> > >
> > > > But Mueller will not let out the story until the end of his investigation,
> > > > so there is almost sure to be a ton of guilty evidence in his hands.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Keep assuming. It's what you do best. It's kind of like when I buy a
> > > lottery ticket.
I don't play the lottery. Foolish. No odds.
This thread is getting too long.
Chris