Tom Alyea
Martha Moyer
cameraman-reporter for WFAA-TV. He raced to the TSBD after hearing on the
police radio about the shooting. He grabbed a Bell & Howell 70 DR 16mm
camera loaded with black and white film. "He also grabbed three extra cans
of film along with the emergency roll he always carried in a back pocket.
All told, Alyea had 500 feet of unprocessed film available to him".
(TRASK, Pictures of the Pain, p. 520) When "six or seven"
plainclothesmen rushed into the TSBD - he went along. The door was then
sealed - with Alyea on the inside.
Today I received a portion of Tom Alyea's manuscript "THE SIXTH FLOOR
HOAX" with accompanying photos. (Tom pointed out that many of the photos
that were shown have never been published)
Mr. Alyea granted me permission to share some of the written material.
Alyea followed Fritz around the Sixth and Seventh Floor - filming all the
time. Tom was right behind Fritz when Fritz went into the Sniper's Nest
through the opening in the east end. According to Alyea - Fritz PICKED UP
THE THREE CARTRIDGES, (my emphasis) examined them and held them over the
lowest point of the first barricade "so I could shoot a close-up" "Captain
Fritz then put the casings in his coat pocket and returned to continue his
examination of the window boxes".
Lt. Day and Studebaker HAD NOT arrived at the crime scene at this time.
This is when we see Sgt. Jerry Hill yelling out the window to get the
Crime Lab up to the Sixth Floor.
When Day and Studebaker arrived - Studebaker was assigned to the Sniper
Nest (Day did not go to the "nest" until around 3 PM) Fritz GAVE
Studebaker the three casings. Studebaker dismantled the Sniper's Nest -
moving boxes to get into the area. (Studebaker did all the photographic
work)
Day went directly to the area where the rifle had just been found. "After
Lt. Day removed the rifle, he displayed it to Capt. Fritz, who grasped the
sight with his handkerchief as he quickly inspected it BEFORE IT WAS
DUSTED". (my emphasis) "After dusting the rifle, Lt. Day handed it to
Capt. Fritz who pulled back the bolt and a live round was ejected. It
fell onto one of the boxes below. Fritz put it into his pocket as he did
the three casings at the shooting site. It also was not dusted."
"Fritz handed the rifle to Lt. Day telling him to take it directly to City
Hall. Lt. Day left the floor without seeing the Sniper's Nest shooting
site".
"This picture was taken by Det. Studebaker after he had dismantled the
barricade without recording the original. The tilted box is still on the
window ledge. I suspect it was his first shot after arriving at the crime
scene. He had not yet started dusting the boxes in the window. He was
alone while all the other officers were watching Lt. Day dust the rifle.
He has scattered the shell casings on the floor to record them. They are
difficult to see in this shot. Capt. Fritz gave him the casings when he
arrived with Lt. Day at the rifle site. He (Studebaker) never saw the
original positioning."
According to Alyea "Oswald was not inside the enclosure (Sniper'sNest). He
waited and did his shooting from the space located East of the enclosure"
either in a kneeling position or a "bench-position". From the original
location of the stacked boxes used to support the rifle - Alyea doubted
that anyone could have seen Oswald - the rifle - yes.
Alyea photographed the Sniper Nest and surrounding barricade prior to the
arrival of Studebaker. One can see the original Alyea photos in his
manuscript. The "official" Studebaker photos are also there so that one
can make comparison.
I am most grateful to Mr. Alyea for sharing his work and observations with
me.
Okay folks - have at it!!! :)
Martha
banwllm5
>Day went directly to the area where the rifle had just been found. "After
>Lt. Day removed the rifle, he displayed it to Capt. Fritz, who grasped the
>sight with his handkerchief as he quickly inspected it BEFORE IT WAS
>DUSTED". (my emphasis) "
Martha--
Is this in the old news letter format? If so, had forgotten. Is there an
indication of which sight? Given the pot metal nature of the mount... A good
while back, someone (Anthony? Martin?) pointed out there is no known picture
of the 3 hulls being held out for photography.
Surviving footage is now available at NARA. When the original Alyea letters
were published, he had not been able to review the films there.
Bill B
Martha Moyer
I never saw the old news letter format so I can't answer your question.
The photo, along side the material I quoted, shows Fritz with
handkerchief, touching a part of the rifle.
According to Alyea - he twice tossed his exposed film out of the TSBD to
be taken to the station - those at the station edited it for instant air
time. When he finally arrived back to the station he was absolutely
shocked to see the floor covered "about 6 inches deep" in discarded film.
He recalls the first exchange contained the floor by floor search, finding
the sniper's nest, the picture of Fritz holding the casings. The second
exchange contained the finding of the rifle and other footage. Alyea
frantically tried to sort through the discarded film (it filled 3 barrels)
to salvage what he could.
The photo showing Fritz holding the casings might have been lost. But no
matter -Mooney, who found the SN, testified Fritz picked up the casings
"to examine them" and it was prior to Day/Studebaker arriving. We know
this because Jerry Hill testified that he accompanied Fritz into TSBD.
Alyea was also with Fritz. After examining the SN, according to Hill, Hill
leaned out the second set of windows and called for the Crime Lab to come
to the scene. There is a picture of Hill in the window in the Trask book.
Alyea may have this footage - but it is not in what he sent me. I only
received a small portion.
I hope this helps.
Martha
banwllm5 <banw...@aol.com> wrote in message
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dcwi...@netscape.net
says...
>
>
>>Day went directly to the area where the rifle had just been found. "After
>>Lt. Day removed the rifle, he displayed it to Capt. Fritz, who grasped the
>>sight with his handkerchief as he quickly inspected it BEFORE IT WAS
>>DUSTED". (my emphasis) "
>
>Martha--
>
>Is this in the old news letter format? If so, had forgotten. Is there an
>indication of which sight? Given the pot metal nature of the mount... A good
>while back, someone (Anthony? Martin?) pointed out there is no known picture
>of the 3 hulls being held out for photography.
>
Fritz's hand because the scene never happened, because the hulls were not found
where they were supposed to have been found....
dw
Michael Russ
>
> Hi Bill
>
> I never saw the old news letter format so I can't answer your question.
> The photo, along side the material I quoted, shows Fritz with
> handkerchief, touching a part of the rifle.
>
> According to Alyea - he twice tossed his exposed film out of the TSBD to
> be taken to the station - those at the station edited it for instant air
> time. When he finally arrived back to the station he was absolutely
> shocked to see the floor covered "about 6 inches deep" in discarded film.
> He recalls the first exchange contained the floor by floor search, finding
> the sniper's nest, the picture of Fritz holding the casings. The second
> exchange contained the finding of the rifle and other footage. Alyea
> frantically tried to sort through the discarded film (it filled 3 barrels)
> to salvage what he could.
>
> The photo showing Fritz holding the casings might have been lost. But no
> matter -Mooney, who found the SN, testified Fritz picked up the casings
> "to examine them" and it was prior to Day/Studebaker arriving.
Please provide a quote for this "prior to Day/Studebaker arriving".
> We know
> this because Jerry Hill testified that he accompanied Fritz into TSBD.
> Alyea was also with Fritz. After examining the SN, according to Hill, Hill
> leaned out the second set of windows and called for the Crime Lab to come
> to the scene. There is a picture of Hill in the window in the Trask book.
How does this establish that Fritz picked up the shells before crime lab
arrived? Fritz claims he told them to hold the scene secure until Crime
Scene arrived, and Simms and Day both say that they picked up the hulls to
fingerprint them.
Marvin Johnson testified that the hulls had already been found when he
arrived, and Fritz told him to keep the scene secure. Johnson also claims
he saw the hulls lying in the snipers nest. How could Johnson had seen
them if Fritz had pocketed them as Aleya has suggested?
Mike
dcwi...@netscape.net
because at the time of the assassination he did not report having seen any
shells, in fact he said only that "the window that the SHOT (sic) WAS fired from
was open...." (hearings v24 p307) Guess he saw only one shell. Wonder where
the other 2 came from....
dw
Martha Moyer
Michael Russ <mrus...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3BB060...@yahoo.com...
> Martha Moyer wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bill
> >
> > I never saw the old news letter format so I can't answer your question.
> > The photo, along side the material I quoted, shows Fritz with
> > handkerchief, touching a part of the rifle.
> >
> > According to Alyea - he twice tossed his exposed film out of the TSBD to
> > be taken to the station - those at the station edited it for instant air
> > time. When he finally arrived back to the station he was absolutely
> > shocked to see the floor covered "about 6 inches deep" in discarded
film.
> > He recalls the first exchange contained the floor by floor search,
finding
> > the sniper's nest, the picture of Fritz holding the casings. The second
> > exchange contained the finding of the rifle and other footage. Alyea
> > frantically tried to sort through the discarded film (it filled 3
barrels)
> > to salvage what he could.
> >
> > The photo showing Fritz holding the casings might have been lost. But no
> > matter -Mooney, who found the SN, testified Fritz picked up the casings
> > "to examine them" and it was prior to Day/Studebaker arriving.
>
> Please provide a quote for this "prior to Day/Studebaker arriving".
Follow the trail - see paragraph below:
>
> > We know
> > this because Jerry Hill testified that he accompanied Fritz into TSBD.
> > Alyea was also with Fritz. After examining the SN, according to Hill,
Hill
> > leaned out the second set of windows and called for the Crime Lab to
come
> > to the scene. There is a picture of Hill in the window in the Trask
book.
>
> How does this establish that Fritz picked up the shells before crime lab
> arrived?
Mike -I checked out Alyea's claim - and followed the trail:
See Mooney's WC testimony - "Captain Fritz picked up the cartridges, began
to examine them, of course I left that particular area." (3 H 289) (Mooney
puts Fritz at the scene picking up the cartridges - had crime lab already
done their duty? See below)
(I am digressing here for a moment:)
Mooney detailing his search activities: "And so we looked around up there
for a short time. And then I says I am going back down on six. At that time,
some news reporter, or press, I don't know who he was --he was coming up
with a camera." (Alyea was only reporter in building.)
Mooney found the SN - "So I leaned out the window, . . . looked down, and I
saw Sheriff Bill Decker and Captain Will Fritz standing right on the ground.
. . .And I told him to get the crime lab officers enroute" (3 H 285). Fritz
accompanied by other plainclothes officers entered the building to search.
Moving to Sgt. Hill's testimony - after examining the SN (he provided a
detailed description and, after viewing Alyea's photos, one wonders how this
was accomplished without disturbing the scene) ". .I went over still further
west to another window . . . and yelled down to the street for them to send
the crime lab". Not sure if he had been heard, Hill left the area with a
posted officer in charge, and went to elevators.There he met "Captain Fritz
and his men coming up on the elevator. I told him what we had found . . .and
told him I was going to make sure crime lab was enroute". Fritz went
directly to SN. (7 H 46-47) CRIME LAB NOT ON SCENE.
Now we have testimony that Fritz arrived at SN prior to crime lab. Fritz
denied disturbing the scene.
According to Alyea "Capt. Fritz "entered the enclosure, he tried to slip his
foot between Box C and the inside of Stack 1 in the barricade. The space was
too small. He was forced to step over the corner of Box C". (Box C was the
base of the boxes used by sniper) . . . Capt. Fritz . . . held the shell
casings over Stack 5 so I could shoot a close-up. He selected this stack
because it was lower, thus making it more convenient for me to record the
casings. Capt. Fritz then put the casings in his coat pocket and returned to
continue his examination of the window boxes".
Two disparate witnesses coroborating Fritz handling the casings. Did this
acutally happen? Alyea, who was present, said it did. Ditto, Mooney. Alyea,
who by the way is an LN, claims the police perjured themselves to cover up
sloppy police work and save Fritz embarassment.
Look, Mike - I am not here with this information to argue a point of view -
I am posting material that I thought interesting from a reporter who was on
the scene. (I ran my own check, as Alyea's Fritz photo was not in the
material I received. Alyea did not mention Mooney's testimony but I
recalled reading it and I went back to see if there was any connection.)
Alyea's report is "Sixth Floor Hoax". He says "Many of these photos are from
my movie footage that are seen for the first time in print". Brief comments
accompany each diagram and photo.
From Alyea's footage and descriptions I have come away with a new view of
the SN.
Martha
Martha Moyer
<dcwi...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> In article <20010924135314...@mb-cf.aol.com>, banw...@aol.com
> says...
> >
> >
> >>Day went directly to the area where the rifle had just been found.
"After
> >>Lt. Day removed the rifle, he displayed it to Capt. Fritz, who grasped
the
> >>sight with his handkerchief as he quickly inspected it BEFORE IT WAS
> >>DUSTED". (my emphasis) "
> >
> >Martha--
> >
> >Is this in the old news letter format? If so, had forgotten. Is there
an
> >indication of which sight? Given the pot metal nature of the mount... A
good
> >while back, someone (Anthony? Martin?) pointed out there is no known
picture
> >of the 3 hulls being held out for photography.
> >
> I hate to suggest the obvious, but maybe there's no picture of the hulls
in
> Fritz's hand because the scene never happened, because the hulls were not
found
> where they were supposed to have been found....
According Alyea report - he filmed the casings in the SN prior to crime lab
arrival. So unless Mooney, Fritz or Hill tossed them in there (no evidence)
we are left with photos. :)
M
Michael Russ
Unfortunately "the trail" does not necessarily confirm Aleya's claim,
which leaves open the possibility that Aleya may be misremembering the
sequence of events. The details of Aleya's claims are very difficult to
follow, from what I have scene, but they seem to be at odds with the
testimony of just about every other witness on some points.
>
> See Mooney's WC testimony - "Captain Fritz picked up the cartridges, began
> to examine them, of course I left that particular area." (3 H 289) (Mooney
> puts Fritz at the scene picking up the cartridges - had crime lab already
> done their duty? See below)
To answer your question, he does not. His statement about picking up
the shells is not placed in any time sequence relative to Day arriving.
>
> (I am digressing here for a moment:)
> Mooney detailing his search activities: "And so we looked around up there
> for a short time. And then I says I am going back down on six. At that time,
> some news reporter, or press, I don't know who he was --he was coming up
> with a camera." (Alyea was only reporter in building.)
>
> Mooney found the SN - "So I leaned out the window, . . . looked down, and I
> saw Sheriff Bill Decker and Captain Will Fritz standing right on the ground.
> . . .And I told him to get the crime lab officers enroute" (3 H 285). Fritz
> accompanied by other plainclothes officers entered the building to search.
OK so far al Mooney has confirmed is that he found the shell and yelled
down to Fritz.
>
> Moving to Sgt. Hill's testimony - after examining the SN (he provided a
> detailed description and, after viewing Alyea's photos, one wonders how this
> was accomplished without disturbing the scene) ". .I went over still further
> west to another window . . . and yelled down to the street for them to send
> the crime lab". Not sure if he had been heard, Hill left the area with a
> posted officer in charge, and went to elevators.There he met "Captain Fritz
> and his men coming up on the elevator. I told him what we had found . . .and
> told him I was going to make sure crime lab was enroute". Fritz went
> directly to SN. (7 H 46-47) CRIME LAB NOT ON SCENE.
Let's put in the full quote about Fritz picking up the cartridges.
<quote>
Mr. BALL - How long did you stay up on the sixth floor? After you found
the location of the three cartridges?
Mr. MOONEY - Well, I stayed up there not over 15 or 20 minutes
longer--after Captain Will Fritz and his officers
came over there, Captain Fritz picked up the cartridges, began to
examine them, of course I left that particular area.
By that time there was a number of officers up there. The floor was
covered with officers. And we were searching,
trying to find the weapon at that time.
<endquote>
So Mooney only places this picking up or the cartridges in a 15 minute
time frame after Fritz came up. That was plenty of time for the crime
for Day to arrive.
>
> Now we have testimony that Fritz arrived at SN prior to crime lab. Fritz
> denied disturbing the scene.
>
> According to Alyea "Capt. Fritz "entered the enclosure, he tried to slip his
> foot between Box C and the inside of Stack 1 in the barricade. The space was
> too small. He was forced to step over the corner of Box C". (Box C was the
> base of the boxes used by sniper) . . . Capt. Fritz . . . held the shell
> casings over Stack 5 so I could shoot a close-up. He selected this stack
> because it was lower, thus making it more convenient for me to record the
> casings. Capt. Fritz then put the casings in his coat pocket and returned to
> continue his examination of the window boxes".
>
> Two disparate witnesses coroborating Fritz handling the casings. Did this
> acutally happen? Alyea, who was present, said it did. Ditto, Mooney.
But Mooney does not necessarily place it before Crime scene arrived.
Alyea,
> who by the way is an LN, claims the police perjured themselves to cover up
> sloppy police work and save Fritz embarassment.
That is just silly, because the exact placement of the shells has almost
no evidentiary value, and they admitted to moving the bag that held the
rifle befor crime scene arrived, so if they were gonna lie, why not lie
about that too.
I look at this the same way as the minox issue. People who are gonna make
these claims about police misconduct and Perjury, have a duty to provide
clear and convincing proof of those claims. There are numerous people on
record as saying those shells were not moved before Crime scene arrived.
I am not gonna trust the memory of Aleya over the sworn testimony of these
officers without some much stronger proof than you have supplied.
>
> Look, Mike - I am not here with this information to argue a point of view -
Well you certainly made a strong statement abot you view of the evidence
when you said
"Mooney, who found the SN, testified Fritz picked up the casings "to
examine them" and it was prior to Day/Studebaker arriving."
The prior to Day/Studebaker arriving is not clearly stated in the
testimony, so you are putting your own spin on the testimony.
I also noticed you didn't address Johnson's testimony about seeing the
shells in place, after Speaking to Fritz, who had already supposedly
pocketed the shells.
> I am posting material that I thought interesting from a reporter who was on
> the scene. (I ran my own check, as Alyea's Fritz photo was not in the
> material I received. Alyea did not mention Mooney's testimony but I
> recalled reading it and I went back to see if there was any connection.)
>
> Alyea's report is "Sixth Floor Hoax". He says "Many of these photos are from
> my movie footage that are seen for the first time in print". Brief comments
> accompany each diagram and photo.
>
> From Alyea's footage and descriptions I have come away with a new view of
> the SN.
I have seen some statements by Aleya myself, and he seems to have a little
bias against the DPD and the WC. I get the distinct impression he was
pissed he wasn't called to testify, and he made misleading statements
about what the Warren commission conclusions were. When reading some of
his statements I had a hard time seperating what he was stating from first
hand knowledge, and what he was deducing from other things he may have
heard. I wish he would have been called to testify at the time, so Fritz,
Day, Studebaker, and Simms all could have addressed his story under oath,
but now all we are left with is trying to interpret vague statement by
people like Mooney, who were not focussing on this issue.
Mike
Russell Burr
Interestingly enough. Alyea shared with me that he never saw the paper
bag....I don't doubt that there was one, put where was it found? Of course
Alyea could have missed it but I have a hard time imagining how he could
have, given the location seen in CE 1302.
Russ
JudyandJFK
>From: "Martha Moyer" m...@comteck.com
>Date: 9/25/01 4:14 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3bb0...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>
Hi Martha,
I have not been keeping up with the NG as the present history has my
attention. I did receive an e-mail 8/29 from Tom and had received his
permission to share it with the group. Must admit I had never gotten
around to doing so but he had also asked for a Dallas researcher. I gave
him yours and Jaynes names, as I have always respected both. I am happy to
see that he continues his research. I will post the first e-mail where he
wrote some of his observations, so others may also share. While I had some
questions I will be waiting for his booklet to see his final ideas. I
think it is important for those who were actually there at the time to
document their observations and knowledge of the events.
Start quote
Judy…
My name is Tom Alyea
<<<deleted some personal comments>>>
I feel that you may be responsive to the facts as I saw them and filmed
them for WFAA-TV and ABC.
As you may know, I was the only civilian to accompany the police in the
search of the TSBD. No doubt you have seen some of my film many times. I
will not bore you with the details. As I answer some of the questions you
put forth in your posting, I urge you to hold onto your chair because it
will destroy many years of your research. But at the same time it will
put you on the right road to learning what actually happened.
Take a deep breath, the truth is often difficult to swallow.
The only time Lt. Day and Det. Studebaker were together after they arrived
on the sixth floor was when they photographed the hidden rifle. This was
the first photograph the crime lab made. It was the only photograph Lt.
Day made until he returned after 3:30.
Day and Studebaker had been ordered to stay on the first floor while the
search for the sniper was underway. Crime lab people are never called
into a situation where a firefight may erupt. Crime labs are called when
the situation is neutralized and this threat is unlikely. When the rifle
was found, we knew it was no longer in the hands of the assassin, assuming
there was only one assassin. Day and Studebaker never saw the original
placement of the casings. Day never saw the original construction of the
sniper's barricade
After Day dusted the rifle, he handed it to Capt. Fritz. Fritz pulled
back the bolt and a live round was ejected. Fritz put it in his pocket as
he did the three casings at the window over 30 minutes earlier.
He then ordered Day to take the rifle to City Hall. Day left immediately
via the elevator only twenty feet away. He did not see the sniper's nest.
This is why he got into so much trouble in his manufactured testimony to
the WC.
The officers in the Homicide Div. went to great creative lengths in their
testimonies to put Lt. Day at the shooting site before Capt. Fritz
arrived. This was to prevent possible censure of the captain for picking
up the casings before they were processed and recorded by the crime lab.
To make a long story short, I had filmed the casings on the floor in their
original positioning. I asked Capt. Fritz if I could go inside the
enclosure and shoot a close-up of the casings. He said "No," then he
entered the enclosure for the first time, picked up the casings and held
them over the barricade for me to shoot my close-up shot. It took about
four seconds. He did not return them to the floor, but put them in his
coat pocket and resumed his visual inspection of the shooting position.
The casings remained in his pocket until Day and Studebaker arrived after
the rifle was found over thirty minutes later. As Day started dusting the
rifle, Fritz gave the casings to Studebaker to include them in his shots
of the sniper's nest crime scene. Studebaker was lead to the sniper
location by one of the detectives in our search group. The detective
returned to watch Day dust the rifle and Studebaker was alone at the
shooting site. He never saw the original placement of the casings so he
scattered them on the floor and photographed them.
When Studebaker was questioned, he told the WC that nothing had been found
when he and Lt. Day arrived. He was not asked why the crime lab was there
if no evidence of a crime had been found.
Studebaker also dismantled the west half of the barricade before he
photographed it. Originally there were no spaces between the boxes. The
only entrance to the enclosure was at the far East end. When Studebaker
started dusting the shooting support boxes on the brick window ledge, he
placed them one on top of the other on the floor inside. Originally, one
box was positioned over the window channel, which made it tilt at an
angle. Yes, these shooting support boxes were smaller than any of the
other boxes at the sniper's nest. He did not photograph the original
placement. He photographed the three tier arrangement in several
different alignments. When the press was allowed into the building, an
hour and a half later, they thought this was the original arrangement.
This is the concept the world has of the shooting support boxes. Also,
this was the angle the FBI used for their calculations of the shooting
angle. The actual angle was much more flat.
In the testimonies of Fritz, Day, Studebaker, Johnson, Montgomery Sims,
Boyd and others in the Homicide Div., no mention was made of going to the
seventh floor or the roof. I have film of this. It is my suspicion that
this would upset their timetable. No mention was ever made that after we
searched the roof, Capt. Fritz ordered us to start searching down again,
floor by floor. No mention was made that the rifle was found during our
second search of the sixth floor. Boone was at the Sheriff's Office
during our entire search. While on the roof, a Sheriff's Deputy went back
to the Sheriff's Office, only a block away, to get some flashlights to aid
in our search. Deputy Boone helped him carry the flashlights. With the
aid of a flashlight, the butt end of the rifle was discovered. Notice
that I hesitate to mention that it was Dpty. Boone. As for Weitzman, I
have strong doubts that he was there. He was not with the Police
Department or the Sheriff's Office. In his testimony, he got nothing
right. In filming the search, I made an attempt to include the members of
our search team in my shots. I have never seen either Boone or Weitzman
in any of my footage.
The interrogators were given the impression that the rifle site was found,
shortly after the shooting position was located. But, they did not ask
why the upper floors were not searched if the sniper had not yet been
found. It is also strange that researchers have not asked this same
question.
These bunglings were not an attempt to frame Oswald. At this time, Oswald
was unknown and so was his connection to the TSBD. All evidence was at
City Hall before the name of Oswald was mentioned. Only Capt. Fritz and
four detectives remained on the floor when Roy Truly told Capt. Fritz that
Oswald had not returned from lunch. This was about 2:25 to 2:30.
Bonnie Ray Williams told the FBI that he ate a chicken sandwich for lunch
on the sixth floor than went down to the fifth to watch the motorcade. I
have never seen a chicken sandwich with bones. The dried chicken bones
and dusty Dr. Pepper bottle I filmed were on the fifth floor. There were
no chicken bones or pop bottle on the sixth. I would have filmed it.
Most of the eleven man search team had finished their sections of the
floor and were waiting at the front windows near the center of the
building. I was with Capt. Fritz and a few other officers mopping up a
section at the Southeast corner of the floor. I was about two paces
behind Capt. Fritz when a uniformed officer called out to Capt. Fritz to
come see what he had found. Capt. Fritz was about 25 feet away. We cold
only see the head and shoulders of the uniformed officer. He was pointing
to a location behind a stack of boxes. When we arrived at the barricade,
we looked over and saw the half open window and the shooting support boxes
on the window ledge, and the shell casings about 5 feet away, in front of
the adjoining window. After a few minutes Capt. Fritz ordered one of the
detectives in our search group to notify the crime lab to come to the TSBD
but stay on the first floor because we had not yet found the sniper whom
we suspected still had his weapon with him.
You made an issue of the amount of fingerprints found on the boxes.
Please remember that it was Oswald's job to stack the book cartons for
shipment. His fingerprints should have been on most of them. As for the
unidentified print, the FBI called me to their office to take my hand and
fingerprints. They told me that there was a print that they could not
identify. Knowing that I was on the scene they hoped it was mine so they
could account for all the fingerprints. I touched nothing but my camera,
so it wasn't mine.
The casings were never dusted while they were on the sixth floor. If they
had been, I would have filmed it.
When Capt. Fritz saw the prints of Studebaker's photos back at City Hall,
he ordered the crime lab men to photograph the shooting support boxes and
the shell casings in their original position. He marked the original
position of the shell casings on one of the photographs. The crime lab
men procured my footage of the original shooting support box placement
from WFAA, so they could replace them as close to the original alignment
as possible. When they returned three days later, Monday the 25th, they
repositioned the shooting support boxes and photographed them. It was not
exact, but close enough to the original placement. However, they removed
many boxes from the remaining East side of the barricade that altered the
shooting scene even further.
The WR stated that the picture was taken minutes after the shots were
fired at the president. I wouldn't call three days "minutes
These expert criminologists did not bring the shell casings with them so
the correct placement of the casings were not made. In the original
placement, none of the casings were next to the wall. They were bunched
in front of the adjoining window, and all could be covered with a hand
towel.
There is much more that the world does not know, because I was not called
to testify to the WC, and the police in their noble effort to protect
Capt. Fritz, got their conflicting, manufactured stories published in the
WR with no questions asked.
Incidentally, Deputy Mooney did not find the sniper's nest. He did not
appear on the floor until after the rifle was found and Lt. Day had taken
it back to City Hall.
Capt. Fritz did not mention it in his testimony but Det. Sims reported
that when he and Capt. Fritz left the building, they went directly to the
Sheriff's Office. Sims said that Capt. Fritz talked to Sheriff Bill
Decker for about 15 minutes while he and Boyd waited in the car. If this
is true, it is probably the only true statement Sims made in his
deposition. From the Sheriff's Office, it is over a mile through downtown
traffic to City Hall. We can only 'guesstimate' how much time was
involved in Capt. Fritz's trip back to City Hall.
Capt. Fritz left the 6th floor (my estimate) between 2:25 and 2:30. I was
still filming him examining the shooting site and making notes at 2:20,
when I left the floor. Roy Truly arrived on the 6th floor to tell Capt.
Fritz about Oswald not coming back from lunch, after I had gone.
Apparently Fritz and his two companions had moved to the rifle site.
Perhaps they were waiting for the elevator that was located nearby. Capt.
Fritz reported that he was at the rifle site when Truly arrived with the
news about Oswald. Capt. Fritz reported that he left immediately for City
Hall, but did not say he first went to see Sheriff Decker.
<<<delete additional personal comments>>>
Stop quote
Judy
I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an
assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of
falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or
excuse him. Lincoln
Martha Moyer
MR. BALL: What did you do? (upon Fritz arriving at SN)
CAPT. FRITZ: I told them not to move the cartridges, not to touch anything,
until we could get the crime lab to take pictures of them, just as they
were lying there and I left an officer assigned there to see that the was
done, and the crime lab came almost immediately, and took pictures, and
dusted the shelfs (sic) for prints. (4 H 205)
Hill met the elevator, Fritz "and his men" got off. Hill directed them to
area of SN:
"I told him (Fritz) what we had found and pointed out the general area . . .
.and told him also that I was going down to make sure the crime lab was
enroute. About the time I got to the street, Lt. Day from the crime lab was
arriving and walking up toward the front door". ((7 H 47)
Define "immediately"
Michael Russ <mrus...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3BB11C...@yahoo.com...
There are nineteen pages in the material I received. It is my fault if
"Alyea's claims" are not clear - not his!!! I cited what Alyea claimed and
everything else was my work on checking out the claim. (which is my habit
with any claims, no matter the author)
Quite frankly, IMO, I do not think Mr. Alyea is the least bit interested in
what other witnesses claimed - whether it was verifying what he had
observed and filmed or witnesses denying knowledge of the events. Apparently
he had learned of my interest so he sent me the photos (unpublished) with
brief comments explaining each photo.
>
> >
> > See Mooney's WC testimony - "Captain Fritz picked up the cartridges,
began
> > to examine them, of course I left that particular area." (3 H 289)
(Mooney
> > puts Fritz at the scene picking up the cartridges - had crime lab
already
> > done their duty? See below)
>
> To answer your question, he does not. His statement about picking up
> the shells is not placed in any time sequence relative to Day arriving.
Further Mooney testimony:
MR. BALL: They were turned over to Captain Fritz? (referring to casings)
MR. MOONEY: Yes, sir. He was the first officer that picked them up, as far
as I know, because I stood there and watched him go over and pick them up
and look at them".
Not Day, not Sims -
Check out Fritz testimony - he NEVER mentioned picking up the casings or
holding the casings at any time. He does say he put the live round in his
pocket!!
So why lie????
and they admitted to moving the bag that held the
> rifle befor crime scene arrived, so if they were gonna lie, why not lie
> about that too.
Alyea filmed the SN (prior to crime lab arrival) - guess what? no paper bag.
However, he did say it was possible paper bag might have been stuck between
boxes of the barricade and fell out when Studebaker moved the boxes around.
>
> I look at this the same way as the minox issue. People who are gonna make
> these claims about police misconduct and Perjury, have a duty to provide
> clear and convincing proof of those claims. There are numerous people on
> record as saying those shells were not moved before Crime scene arrived.
> I am not gonna trust the memory of Aleya over the sworn testimony of these
> officers without some much stronger proof than you have supplied.
I will gladly forward this to Alyea - maybe he will discuss it with you.
>
> >
> > Look, Mike - I am not here with this information to argue a point of
view -
>
> Well you certainly made a strong statement abot you view of the evidence
> when you said
>
> "Mooney, who found the SN, testified Fritz picked up the casings "to
> examine them" and it was prior to Day/Studebaker arriving."
>
> The prior to Day/Studebaker arriving is not clearly stated in the
> testimony, so you are putting your own spin on the testimony.
Will you cite testimony concerning the arrival of the crime lab on the Sixth
Floor? I would be most interested.
Mooney was "not focussing (sic) on this issue"???????? Vague
statements??????
Martha
>
> Mike
Michael Russ
>
> Mike - Fritz's testimony about the Sniper Nest crime scene:
>
> MR. BALL: What did you do? (upon Fritz arriving at SN)
>
> CAPT. FRITZ: I told them not to move the cartridges, not to touch anything,
> until we could get the crime lab to take pictures of them, just as they
> were lying there and I left an officer assigned there to see that the was
> done, and the crime lab came almost immediately, and took pictures, and
> dusted the shelfs (sic) for prints. (4 H 205)
>
> Hill met the elevator, Fritz "and his men" got off. Hill directed them to
> area of SN:
>
> "I told him (Fritz) what we had found and pointed out the general area . . .
> .and told him also that I was going down to make sure the crime lab was
> enroute. About the time I got to the street, Lt. Day from the crime lab was
> arriving and walking up toward the front door". ((7 H 47)
>
> Define "immediately"
Better yet define "almost immediately"
See my later point about this testimony being vague.
Have you seen a thorough chronological order of events from Aleya
that he claims that he saw first hand, with no interjections about what
others may have been doing, or thinking? I have read the E-mail that Judy
posted, and it is not a simple task to understand exactly what happened.
>
> Quite frankly, IMO, I do not think Mr. Alyea is the least bit interested in
> what other witnesses claimed - whether it was verifying what he had
> observed and filmed or witnesses denying knowledge of the events. Apparently
> he had learned of my interest so he sent me the photos (unpublished) with
> brief comments explaining each photo.
>
Well, you are the one claiming Mooney verifies his story, and I don't
necessarily agree, that is why I am discussing it with you.
> >
> > >
> > > See Mooney's WC testimony - "Captain Fritz picked up the cartridges,
> began
> > > to examine them, of course I left that particular area." (3 H 289)
> (Mooney
> > > puts Fritz at the scene picking up the cartridges - had crime lab
> already
> > > done their duty? See below)
> >
> > To answer your question, he does not. His statement about picking up
> > the shells is not placed in any time sequence relative to Day arriving.
>
> Further Mooney testimony:
>
> MR. BALL: They were turned over to Captain Fritz? (referring to casings)
>
> MR. MOONEY: Yes, sir. He was the first officer that picked them up, as far
> as I know, because I stood there and watched him go over and pick them up
> and look at them".
>
Did you miss the part about "AS FAR AS I KNOW"
from this testimony, It certainly is possible Simms and Day picked up the
casings and Mooney did not see it.
> Not Day, not Sims -
>
> Check out Fritz testimony - he NEVER mentioned picking up the casings or
> holding the casings at any time. He does say he put the live round in his
> pocket!!
If Fritz had briefly held the casings after Day had already photographed
and dusted them and fond no prints, picking them up to show them to Aleya,
would be no big
deal (I think Aleya only assumed Day pocketed the casings, he did not
actually see it), so why would Fritz find it necessary to mention it.
OTOH The
fact that he did pocket the live round was important and that is why he
mentions it.
That is why I do not believe anyone is lying. That is not to say that
everbody's account is accurate or complete, I just believe it is typical
that people confuse things or forget things, so it is not suprising that
the recollections of all of the witnesses do not fit perfectly.
>
> and they admitted to moving the bag that held the
> > rifle befor crime scene arrived, so if they were gonna lie, why not lie
> > about that too.
>
> Alyea filmed the SN (prior to crime lab arrival) - guess what? no paper bag.
> However, he did say it was possible paper bag might have been stuck between
> boxes of the barricade and fell out when Studebaker moved the boxes around.
That is my point. Everybody was consistant in saying the bag had been
moved. That was clearly sloppy police work, and a mistake equivilant to
moving the casings, yet
everybody admits to the bag being moved, but there is this giant
conspiracy to hide the fact that the shells had been moved. It doen't
make any sense IMO.
Also they admit that they didn't get a good photo of the way the boxes
were stacked to form the "rest" for the rifle before they were moved.
Another piece of "sloppy" police work layed bare for all to see. So why
this conspiracy to lie about the shells. How is the position of the
shells so critical that they can't admit that those were not photographed
in their exact location?
> > >
> > I look at this the same way as the minox issue. People who are gonna make
> > these claims about police misconduct and Perjury, have a duty to provide
> > clear and convincing proof of those claims. There are numerous people on
> > record as saying those shells were not moved before Crime scene arrived.
> > I am not gonna trust the memory of Aleya over the sworn testimony of these
> > officers without some much stronger proof than you have supplied.
>
> I will gladly forward this to Alyea - maybe he will discuss it with you.
I would prefer to have any discussion on the NG, that allows others to
provide relavent information the neither he nor I may be aware of.
> > >
> > > Look, Mike - I am not here with this information to argue a point of
> view -
> >
> > Well you certainly made a strong statement abot you view of the evidence
> > when you said
> >
> > "Mooney, who found the SN, testified Fritz picked up the casings "to
> > examine them" and it was prior to Day/Studebaker arriving."
> >
> > The prior to Day/Studebaker arriving is not clearly stated in the
> > testimony, so you are putting your own spin on the testimony.
>
> Will you cite testimony concerning the arrival of the crime lab on the Sixth
> Floor? I would be most interested.
Testimony by whom?
I have been going throught this testimony lately, but I still am not
sure if I have a good handle on all of it. I may expand Judy's web site
concerning the fingerprint evidence at:
http://www.geocities.com/jfkinfo3/prints.htm
to discuss this issue more thoroughly. For now, their are links on that
site to Day's testimony at:
http://www.geocities.com/nfgforecast/testimony/day1.htm
and Studebaker's testimony at:
http://www.geocities.com/jfkinfo5/testimony/studebak.htm
You can also check my alphabetical list of eyewitness testimony at:
http://www.geocities.com/m_j_russ/wit.htm
for other testimony and affidavits of people on the sixth floor.
Unfortunately some of the key witnesses are not on line yet, but I hope to
get them on line soon.
Yes vague. What did he mean by "as far as I know"? When exactly did he
see Fritz pick up the casings? What did he see Fritz do with them after
he picked them up?
Wouldn't you like to have seen the question pointed directly at Fritz:
"It has been said that you picked up the shells in the snipers nest and
showed them to Mr. Aleya so that he could photograph them. Is that true?
If so Did you do that Before or after the crime Scene photos had been
taken?
>
> Martha
> >
> > Mike
Martha Moyer
from the materials Tom sent me. As the old saying goes "haste makes waste":)
Martha
Russell Burr <rcb...@foxvalley.net> wrote in message
news:3BB12A55...@foxvalley.net...
Martha Moyer
Hi Russ
Don't you know that would be the FIRST thing I would ask about?:) Alyea told
me that he did not see it in SN. However, he said it could have been stuck
in between boxes of the barricade and fallen out when Studebaker moved them
around.
Martha
James K. Olmstead
sent you do you still feel that all the questions and conflicts have been
answered by the WCR?
jko
"JudyandJFK" <judya...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010925233200...@mb-ci.aol.com...
> Judy.
Michael Russ
Martha Moyer
In Sheriff Decker's exhibits - this 11/22 statement of Deputy Jack
Faulkner: (in part)
. . . . Officer Mooney found the hulls of rifle cartridges at the corner
window of Elm and Houston. We then started looking on the rafters and in
between the boxes of books for the rifle. Capt. Will Fritz of DPD arrived
on the scene and the shells were given to him. Shortly after this, Officer
Boone of the SO found the rifle near the entrance to the stairway". (19 H
511)
Martha
Michael Russ <mrus...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3BB1B1...@yahoo.com...
Michael Russ
>
> Mike
>
> In Sheriff Decker's exhibits - this 11/22 statement of Deputy Jack
> Faulkner: (in part)
>
> . . . . Officer Mooney found the hulls of rifle cartridges at the corner
> window of Elm and Houston. We then started looking on the rafters and in
> between the boxes of books for the rifle. Capt. Will Fritz of DPD arrived
> on the scene and the shells were given to him. Shortly after this, Officer
> Boone of the SO found the rifle near the entrance to the stairway". (19 H
> 511)
>
did crime scene arrive?
And why did someone "give" the shells to Fritz, if he had already picked
them up himself and pocketed them as Aleya claims?
dcwi...@netscape.net
>
>Martha Moyer wrote:
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> In Sheriff Decker's exhibits - this 11/22 statement of Deputy Jack
>> Faulkner: (in part)
>>
>> . . . . Officer Mooney found the hulls of rifle cartridges at the corner
>> window of Elm and Houston. We then started looking on the rafters and in
>> between the boxes of books for the rifle. Capt. Will Fritz of DPD arrived
>> on the scene and the shells were given to him. Shortly after this, Officer
>> Boone of the SO found the rifle near the entrance to the stairway". (19 H
>> 511)
>>
>Thanks for th info, but it doesn't answer the critical question, when
>did crime scene arrive?
>
>And why did someone "give" the shells to Fritz, if he had already picked
>them up himself and pocketed them as Aleya claims?
>
"We then went back upstairs to the fifth floor & by this time many officers were
in the building & Officer Luke Mooney found the hulls of rifle cartridges...."
If the shells were indeed found on the "fifth floor," they would have to have
been given to *someone* to place in the 6th-floor "nest," for purposes of
photographing....
dw
Martha Moyer
Mike
Why did Fritz deny handling the casings with exception of the one he put in
his pocket at the rifle site?
When Day supposedly arrived at SN - he does not mention Fritz at all. Told
the Commission that Det. Sims, among others, was present. Later in
testimony, Day - said Fritz called him over to where the rifle was found.
Day does not place Fritz at SN when he arrived. (4 H 251-253)
And, if you recall, Hill had met Fritz at elevator on his way down to get
crime lab. Crime lab was not at SN when Fritz arrived. They may have arrived
while Fritz was there - but if they did - Day does not acknowledge Fritz's
presence.
Now - take Studebaker's testimony: Poor old Studebaker must have got lost -
MR. STUDEBAKER: We went to the entrance and they said it was on the sixth
floor and we went directly to the sixth floor.
MR. BALL. Then you were directed to some place on the sixth floor, as soon
as your arrived there?
MR. STUDEBAKER: No; they hadn't found anything when we got there. (7 H 139)
Who gave what to whom:
According to Lt. Day: "Mr. Sims picked them (casings) up by the ends and
handed them to me". (4 H 253) After the processing - Day said he placed them
in an envelope and handed them to Det. Sims.
Det. Sims:
MR. BALL: Who picked up the hulls?
MR. SIMS: Well, I assisted Lt. Day in picking the hulls up.
Sims testified that Day put the hulls into an envelope. Then -
MR. BALL: Did he take charge of the hulls there?
MR. SIMS: I don't know.
MR. BALL: Did he take them in his possession, I mean?
MR. SIMS: I don't remember if he took them in possession then or not.
MR. BALL: But you helped him to pick them up?
MR. SIMS: I picked them up from the floor and he had an envelope there and
held the envelope open.
MR. BALL: You didn't take them in your possession, did you?
MR. SIMS: No, sir; I don't believe I did. ((7 H 163)
This testimony was taken on April 6, 1964
Sims is recalled on April 8 - the story changes:
Now Sims would recall putting the envelope in his pocket.
MR. BELIN: Now, Detective Sims, just so that I can have a complete
understanding of the process by which you refreshed your recollection , you
talked to Captain Fritz about this after you testified here on Monday?
MR. SIMS. Yes, sir.
MR. BELIN: What did he say and what did you say, if you remember?
MR. SIMS: I told him I could not remember for sure about who brought the
hulls up there to his office or what happened to the hulls, and then I
talked to him.
MR. BELIN: What did he say?
MR. SIMS: He said, "Well, remember I told you to get the hulls and bring
them to the office." (7 H 185)
and on and on . . . .
See Sims testimony for the full memory act. (7 H 158-)
I do not suggest these actions were a part of a "huge conspiracy" but a case
of committing perjury to protect the reputation of DPD.
If the case had gone to trial - IMO, I would think that a good defense
attorney would have had the casings thrown out as evidence. Would that have
changed anything - I think not.
Martha
Was Hill, Mooney, Fritz, Faulkner, etc., all lying??? Somebody was!!!!
Michael Russ <mrus...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Michael Russ
>
> Mike
>
> Why did Fritz deny handling the casings with exception of the one he put in
> his pocket at the rifle site?
Can you site for me the testimony where Fritz was asked if he ever held
those shells at any point?
>
> When Day supposedly arrived at SN - he does not mention Fritz at all. Told
> the Commission that Det. Sims, among others, was present. Later in
> testimony, Day - said Fritz called him over to where the rifle was found.
> Day does not place Fritz at SN when he arrived. (4 H 251-253)
So?
All this shows is that peoples memory can be faulty.
Now we know the envelope that the shells were put in was not sealed.
How about this for a scenario:
Mooney finds the casings, and shouts out letting everybody know, so Hill
comes over and Fritz starts to make his way to the sixth floor. Hill
sees the casings, and then yells down to Day and Studebaker who had just
arived. Fritz arrives as Hill is leaving walks over to the SN and says
don't move anything, and the moves on to other business including
telling others to guard the SN. With other officers around, Mooney does
not focus on the SN and maybe gets distacted looking fot the rifle or
something. Crime scene arrives takes its pictures and Simms picks up the
shells and Day dusts them for prints and puts them in an envelope.
Fritz returns to the SN and Aleya is bitching that he didn't get a
picture of the casings. Fritz removes the shells from the envelope,
shows them to Aleya. Mooney and Aleya and maybe some others see Fritz
with the casings and assumes this is the first time they have been
picked up. Fritz puts them back in the envelope.
>
> I do not suggest these actions were a part of a "huge conspiracy" but a case
> of committing perjury to protect the reputation of DPD.
What reputation. They admitted to moving the bag before it was
photographed and dusted for prints, they admitted to moving the boxes
that formed the rifle rest without getting a picture of them, why
commit perjury about picking up the casings?
>
> If the case had gone to trial - IMO, I would think that a good defense
> attorney would have had the casings thrown out as evidence. Would that have
> changed anything - I think not.
Bologna. Now judge in their right mind would have thrown those casings
out as evidence. Especially in this case. Can you imagine the public
beating that judge would take.
>
> Martha
>
> Was Hill, Mooney, Fritz, Faulkner, etc., all lying??? Somebody was!!!!
I don't think you have proven anybody was lying. Conflicting testimony
in of itself is not proof of perjury. If that were the case a large
number of the Dealy plaza witnesses are perjurers, because their
testimony is completely at odds with at least one other witness.
Mike
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Edison Suddin <edison...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Russell Burr" <rcb...@foxvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:3BB316AA...@foxvalley.net...
> > Edison Suddin wrote:
> >
> > > "R2JUDGE" <r2j...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:20010926120400...@mb-fj.aol.com...
> > > > Subject: Re: Hoaks of the century: the SBT.
> > > > From: "Edison Suddin" edison...@hotmail.com
> > > > Date: 9/24/01 12:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time
> > > > Message-id: <3baf...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>
> > > >
> >
> > Yes Russell. I when ahead and read that post OKKKKK....
> And it stated: "Canning used the House Select Committee scenario that had
> Kennedy and Connally being struck by the Single Bullet at Zapruder frame
> 190. More recent work has pinpointed the time of the hit to Zapruder frame
> 223. Various researchers have modeled the Single Bullet Theory at that
> frame. Failure Analysis Associates, in work done for a 1992 "mock trial"
of
> Lee Harvey Oswald for the American Bar Association, used 3-D computer
> animation and modeling techniques to research the bullet trajectory, and
> concluded that the Single Bullet Trajectory works."
>
> First off "Canning used". Implies Canning did some sort of work. When in
> reality he simply Quoted the Warren conspirators.
Why would write something so obviously wrong?? Tom Canning did a TON of work
from January - December 1978. His work created hundreds of memos which were
once secret.
You are obviously in the dark about the issue. Here is a little light for
you.
* Canning asked Jane Downey to have the surveyors check the face of the
DAL-Tex for bullet pockmarks. Sound like a WC parrot to you????????
* Canning had the Ford museum check the FRONT of the spare tire holder for
evidence of a shot from the front. Sound like a WC parrot to you????????
I will never understand why people like you state things as fact that are
easily proved wrong making it crystal clear you do not know what you are
talking about.
John Hunt
>
>
>
Martha Moyer
> Martha Moyer wrote:
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Why did Fritz deny handling the casings with exception of the one he put in
> > his pocket at the rifle site?
>
> Can you site for me the testimony where Fritz was asked if he ever held
> those shells at any point?
Fritz was asked about the live round! (4 H 205)
Fritz, in an affidavit, dtd June 9, 1964: "Three spent hulls were found
under the window in the southeast corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD,
Dallas, TX, on the afternoon of November 222, 1963. When the officers
called me to this window, I asked them not to move the shells nor touch
them until Lt. Day of the Dallas Police Department could make pictures of
the hulls showing where they fell after being ejected from the rifle.
After the pictures were made, Det. R. M. Sims of the Homicide Bureau, who
was assisting in the searchof the building, brought the three empty hulls
to my office." (7 H 403-4)
When arriving at SN, according to testimony, (4 H 207)
MR FRITZ: I told them not to move the cartridges, not to touch anything
until we could get the crime lab to take pictures of them just as they
were lying there and I left an officer assigned there to see that was
done, and the crime lab came almost immediately, and took pictues, and
dusted the shells for prints.
MR. BALL: Which officers, which officer did you leave there?
MR. FRITZ: Carl Day was the man I talked to about taking pictures.
MR. BALL: Day?
MR. FRITZ: Lieutenant Day; yes sir.
MR. BALL: Do you know if he took the pictures or not?
MR. FRITZ: I feel like he did but I don't know because I didn't stay to
see whether he could.
We have two of the officers on the scene that testified Fritz held the
shells (plus Alyea's observation)
Cut it any way you want to Mike - and I am sure you will.:)
M
Michael Russ
possibility that Fritz held the casings sometime after they had been
photographed and dusted for prints in the SN.
Does any of this contradict the scenario that I presented, which you
seem to have snipped?
It may just be my nature, but I prefer to look for solutions that don't
involve calling respected police officers perjurers, or respected
journalist liars. I think confusion and poor memories are often more
likely.
Mike