The Day of the Jackal
HistorianDetective
by Frederick Forsyth
published 1971
Viking Press
The book begins with events concerning a real assassination attempt that
occurred against Charles de Gaulle in 1962.
Copy On
Page 11 While journalists the world over speculated on the assassination
attempt and for lack of anything better filled their columns with personal
conjectures, the French police, headed by Surete Nationale and backed up
by the Secret Service and the Gendarmerie, launched the biggest police
operation in French history. Soon it was to become the biggest manhunt the
country had yet known, only later to be surpassed by the manhunt for
another assassin whose story remains unknown but who is still listed in
the files by his code-name, the Jackal.
Copy Off
Here’s a couple of clips found at You Tube… . The Day of the Jackal
(original version) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
There are quite a few allusions to JFK found in this clip.
The Day of the Jackal (original trailer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6xMnTPEzPo Take a look at the scene
where the Jackal tests his rifle. Note that the last shot is not the same
as in the movie. It occurs at 1:26 in the two minute clip. It looks
awfully similar to JFK’s headshot and perhaps is the reason it was
eventually cut from the movie itself.
Here’s a few items regarding Forsyth Per Wikipedia…..
Copy On Forsyth eschews psychological complexity in favour of meticulous
plotting, based on detailed factual research. His books are full of
information about the technical details of such subjects as money
laundering, gun running and identity theft. His novels read like
investigative journalism in fictional guise. His moral vision is a harsh
one: the world is made up of predators and prey, and only the strong
survive. Forsyth's novels typically show the ways in which spies,
gangsters, assassins, mercenaries, diplomats, business leaders and
politicians go about their business behind-the-scenes; the sort of things
that the average reader would not suspect while reading a simple headline.
The Jackal does not just go out and shoot at Charles de Gaulle: he does
meticulous research on the man at the library of the British Museum;
obtains papers for his false identities; travels around Paris to find a
good location for a sniper's nest; and buys and tests his weapons. …..
His research has caused headaches for governments. In The Day of the
Jackal, he describes a technique used by a would-be assassin to obtain a
new passport. The assassin visits a church, and looks for a tombstone of
someone who was born nearly the same time he was, but died in infancy. He
then obtains a birth certificate, which enables him to obtain a passport
in that person's name - effectively stealing an identity. In the story,
the government didn't cross check passport requests with the death
registry. Unfortunately, that was actually government practice at the
time, and Forsyth revealed it in his writings. In The Deceiver, he
describes how a British agent bugs the coffin of a dead IRA member. The
microphone records the conversation of senior IRA members, who are using
the funeral as a chance for a conference about terrorist activities.
Journalists pressed the British government to say whether this had ever
been done, and the British government was forced to admit that indeed it
had.
Several recent assassins have been associated with Day of the Jackal, some
with more reason than others. Terrorist Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, or
"Carlos the Jackal", received his moniker because the novel was found in
what was thought to be his bag. Yigal Amir used the novel while planning
his assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995, while
Vladimir Arutinian, who attempted to kill US President George W. Bush
during his 2005 visit to the country of Georgia, was also found to be an
avid reader of the novel (although the actual methods employed were
different from the novel's).
Copy Off
Forsyth followed Jackal with The Odessa File. Once again his book was made
into a movie and once again a JFK reference. I’m sure many here have
seen the movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS8OM9_38VM
Although it is not in this clip, news of JFK’s assassination is
broadcast on the radio immediately prior to Perry Como’s Christmas Dream
(one of my favorite Christmas songs).
And with that, here’s wishing all here a
Very Merry Christmas and Fruitful Upcoming New Year!
JM
PS...Thanks to JGLeyden for posting a reference to Jackal awhile back. It
had been almost four decades since I first read it. I had to do a reread.
Glad I did and recommend it to anyone interested in an assassination plot.
Anthony Marsh
> The Day of the Jackal
> by Frederick Forsyth
> published 1971
> Viking Press
>
> The book begins with events concerning a real assassination attempt that
> occurred against Charles de Gaulle in 1962.
>
> Copy On
>
> Page 11 While journalists the world over speculated on the assassination
> attempt and for lack of anything better filled their columns with personal
> conjectures, the French police, headed by Surete Nationale and backed up
> by the Secret Service and the Gendarmerie, launched the biggest police
> operation in French history. Soon it was to become the biggest manhunt the
> country had yet known, only later to be surpassed by the manhunt for
> another assassin whose story remains unknown but who is still listed in
> the files by his code-name, the Jackal.
>
> Copy Off
>
>
> (original version) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
> There are quite a few allusions to JFK found in this clip.
>
> The Day of the Jackal (original trailer)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6xMnTPEzPo Take a look at the scene
> where the Jackal tests his rifle. Note that the last shot is not the same
> as in the movie. It occurs at 1:26 in the two minute clip. It looks
> eventually cut from the movie itself.
>
Nice find. But of course the WC defenders think the melon was shot from
behind and the reason why it moves backwards is because of the jet
effect. BTW, does the book or movie explain exactly how those explosive
bullets were made? As I remember it he used a very small caliber bullet.
> Here�s a few items regarding Forsyth Per Wikipedia�..
>
> Copy On Forsyth eschews psychological complexity in favour of meticulous
> plotting, based on detailed factual research. His books are full of
> information about the technical details of such subjects as money
> laundering, gun running and identity theft. His novels read like
> investigative journalism in fictional guise. His moral vision is a harsh
> one: the world is made up of predators and prey, and only the strong
> survive. Forsyth's novels typically show the ways in which spies,
> gangsters, assassins, mercenaries, diplomats, business leaders and
> politicians go about their business behind-the-scenes; the sort of things
> that the average reader would not suspect while reading a simple headline.
> The Jackal does not just go out and shoot at Charles de Gaulle: he does
> meticulous research on the man at the library of the British Museum;
> obtains papers for his false identities; travels around Paris to find a
> good location for a sniper's nest; and buys and tests his weapons. �..
> His research has caused headaches for governments. In The Day of the
> Jackal, he describes a technique used by a would-be assassin to obtain a
> new passport. The assassin visits a church, and looks for a tombstone of
> someone who was born nearly the same time he was, but died in infancy. He
> then obtains a birth certificate, which enables him to obtain a passport
> in that person's name - effectively stealing an identity. In the story,
> the government didn't cross check passport requests with the death
> registry. Unfortunately, that was actually government practice at the
> time, and Forsyth revealed it in his writings. In The Deceiver, he
> describes how a British agent bugs the coffin of a dead IRA member. The
> microphone records the conversation of senior IRA members, who are using
> the funeral as a chance for a conference about terrorist activities.
> Journalists pressed the British government to say whether this had ever
> been done, and the British government was forced to admit that indeed it
> had.
>
> Several recent assassins have been associated with Day of the Jackal, some
> with more reason than others. Terrorist Ilich Ram�rez S�nchez, or
> "Carlos the Jackal", received his moniker because the novel was found in
> what was thought to be his bag. Yigal Amir used the novel while planning
> his assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995, while
> Vladimir Arutinian, who attempted to kill US President George W. Bush
> during his 2005 visit to the country of Georgia, was also found to be an
> avid reader of the novel (although the actual methods employed were
> different from the novel's).
>
> Copy Off
>
> Forsyth followed Jackal with The Odessa File. Once again his book was made
> into a movie and once again a JFK reference. I�m sure many here have
> seen the movie.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS8OM9_38VM
>
> Although it is not in this clip, news of JFK�s assassination is
> broadcast on the radio immediately prior to Perry Como�s Christmas Dream
> (one of my favorite Christmas songs).
>
> And with that, here�s wishing all here a
HistorianDetective
> On 12/19/2009 9:31 AM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The Day of the Jackal
> > by Frederick Forsyth
> > published 1971
> > Viking Press
>
> > The book begins with events concerning a real assassination attempt that
> > occurred against Charles de Gaulle in 1962.
>
> > Copy On
>
> > Page 11 While journalists the world over speculated on the assassination
> > attempt and for lack of anything better filled their columns with personal
> > conjectures, the French police, headed by Surete Nationale and backed up
> > by the Secret Service and the Gendarmerie, launched the biggest police
> > operation in French history. Soon it was to become the biggest manhunt the
> > country had yet known, only later to be surpassed by the manhunt for
> > another assassin whose story remains unknown but who is still listed in
> > the files by his code-name, the Jackal.
>
> > Copy Off
>
> > (original version)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
> > There are quite a few allusions to JFK found in this clip.
>
> > The Day of the Jackal (original trailer)
> > where the Jackal tests his rifle. Note that the last shot is not the same
> > as in the movie. It occurs at 1:26 in the two minute clip. It looks
> > eventually cut from the movie itself.
>
> Nice find. But of course the WC defenders think the melon was shot from
> behind and the reason why it moves backwards is because of the jet
> effect. BTW, does the book or movie explain exactly how those explosive
> bullets were made? As I remember it he used a very small caliber bullet.
Quiz time? I'll be honest. I can't remember the exact details of the
bullets.
I'll check and get back.
Just curious. Did you catch JFK's face in the Movie version?
If not, try again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
I seriously doubt anybody thinks that the melon was shot from behind
seeing he was shooting from the front. One of the JFK allusions was not a
Magic Bullet.
>
> > Here’s a few items regarding Forsyth Per Wikipedia…..
>
> > Copy On Forsyth eschews psychological complexity in favour of meticulous
> > plotting, based on detailed factual research. His books are full of
> > information about the technical details of such subjects as money
> > laundering, gun running and identity theft. His novels read like
> > investigative journalism in fictional guise. His moral vision is a harsh
> > one: the world is made up of predators and prey, and only the strong
> > survive. Forsyth's novels typically show the ways in which spies,
> > gangsters, assassins, mercenaries, diplomats, business leaders and
> > politicians go about their business behind-the-scenes; the sort of things
> > that the average reader would not suspect while reading a simple headline.
> > The Jackal does not just go out and shoot at Charles de Gaulle: he does
> > meticulous research on the man at the library of the British Museum;
> > obtains papers for his false identities; travels around Paris to find a
> > good location for a sniper's nest; and buys and tests his weapons. …..
> > His research has caused headaches for governments. In The Day of the
> > Jackal, he describes a technique used by a would-be assassin to obtain a
> > new passport. The assassin visits a church, and looks for a tombstone of
> > someone who was born nearly the same time he was, but died in infancy. He
> > then obtains a birth certificate, which enables him to obtain a passport
> > in that person's name - effectively stealing an identity. In the story,
> > the government didn't cross check passport requests with the death
> > registry. Unfortunately, that was actually government practice at the
> > time, and Forsyth revealed it in his writings. In The Deceiver, he
> > describes how a British agent bugs the coffin of a dead IRA member. The
> > microphone records the conversation of senior IRA members, who are using
> > the funeral as a chance for a conference about terrorist activities.
> > Journalists pressed the British government to say whether this had ever
> > been done, and the British government was forced to admit that indeed it
> > had.
>
> > Several recent assassins have been associated with Day of the Jackal, some
> > with more reason than others. Terrorist Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, or
> > "Carlos the Jackal", received his moniker because the novel was found in
> > what was thought to be his bag. Yigal Amir used the novel while planning
> > his assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995, while
> > Vladimir Arutinian, who attempted to kill US President George W. Bush
> > during his 2005 visit to the country of Georgia, was also found to be an
> > avid reader of the novel (although the actual methods employed were
> > different from the novel's).
>
> > Copy Off
>
> > Forsyth followed Jackal with The Odessa File. Once again his book was made
> > into a movie and once again a JFK reference. I’m sure many here have
> > seen the movie.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS8OM9_38VM
>
> > Although it is not in this clip, news of JFK’s assassination is
> > broadcast on the radio immediately prior to Perry Como’s Christmas Dream
> > (one of my favorite Christmas songs).
>
> > And with that, here’s wishing all here a
>
> > Very Merry Christmas and Fruitful Upcoming New Year!
>
> > JM
>
> > PS...Thanks to JGLeyden for posting a reference to Jackal awhile back. It
> > had been almost four decades since I first read it. I had to do a reread.
> > Glad I did and recommend it to anyone interested in an assassination plot.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I serioulsy doubt
Anthony Marsh
> On Dec 19, 7:53 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 12/19/2009 9:31 AM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The Day of the Jackal
>>> by Frederick Forsyth
>>> published 1971
>>> Viking Press
>>
>>> The book begins with events concerning a real assassination attempt that
>>> occurred against Charles de Gaulle in 1962.
>>
>>> Copy On
>>
>>> Page 11 While journalists the world over speculated on the assassination
>>> attempt and for lack of anything better filled their columns with personal
>>> conjectures, the French police, headed by Surete Nationale and backed up
>>> by the Secret Service and the Gendarmerie, launched the biggest police
>>> operation in French history. Soon it was to become the biggest manhunt the
>>> country had yet known, only later to be surpassed by the manhunt for
>>> another assassin whose story remains unknown but who is still listed in
>>> the files by his code-name, the Jackal.
>>
>>> Copy Off
>>
>>> (original version)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
>>> There are quite a few allusions to JFK found in this clip.
>>
>>> The Day of the Jackal (original trailer)
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6xMnTPEzPoTake a look at the scene
>>> where the Jackal tests his rifle. Note that the last shot is not the same
>>> as in the movie. It occurs at 1:26 in the two minute clip. It looks
>>> eventually cut from the movie itself.
>>
> TM,
>
>> Nice find. But of course the WC defenders think the melon was shot from
>> behind and the reason why it moves backwards is because of the jet
>> effect. BTW, does the book or movie explain exactly how those explosive
>> bullets were made? As I remember it he used a very small caliber bullet.
>
>
> Quiz time? I'll be honest. I can't remember the exact details of the
> bullets.
>
They look to me like .22 Magnums.
> I'll check and get back.
>
> Just curious. Did you catch JFK's face in the Movie version?
> If not, try again.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
>
> I seriously doubt anybody thinks that the melon was shot from behind
> seeing he was shooting from the front. One of the JFK allusions was not a
> Magic Bullet.
>
>
>>
>>> Here�s a few items regarding Forsyth Per Wikipedia�..
>>
>>> Copy On Forsyth eschews psychological complexity in favour of meticulous
>>> plotting, based on detailed factual research. His books are full of
>>> information about the technical details of such subjects as money
>>> laundering, gun running and identity theft. His novels read like
>>> investigative journalism in fictional guise. His moral vision is a harsh
>>> one: the world is made up of predators and prey, and only the strong
>>> survive. Forsyth's novels typically show the ways in which spies,
>>> gangsters, assassins, mercenaries, diplomats, business leaders and
>>> politicians go about their business behind-the-scenes; the sort of things
>>> that the average reader would not suspect while reading a simple headline.
>>> The Jackal does not just go out and shoot at Charles de Gaulle: he does
>>> meticulous research on the man at the library of the British Museum;
>>> obtains papers for his false identities; travels around Paris to find a
>>> good location for a sniper's nest; and buys and tests his weapons. �..
>>> His research has caused headaches for governments. In The Day of the
>>> Jackal, he describes a technique used by a would-be assassin to obtain a
>>> new passport. The assassin visits a church, and looks for a tombstone of
>>> someone who was born nearly the same time he was, but died in infancy. He
>>> then obtains a birth certificate, which enables him to obtain a passport
>>> in that person's name - effectively stealing an identity. In the story,
>>> the government didn't cross check passport requests with the death
>>> registry. Unfortunately, that was actually government practice at the
>>> time, and Forsyth revealed it in his writings. In The Deceiver, he
>>> describes how a British agent bugs the coffin of a dead IRA member. The
>>> microphone records the conversation of senior IRA members, who are using
>>> the funeral as a chance for a conference about terrorist activities.
>>> Journalists pressed the British government to say whether this had ever
>>> been done, and the British government was forced to admit that indeed it
>>> had.
>>
>>> Several recent assassins have been associated with Day of the Jackal, some
>>> with more reason than others. Terrorist Ilich Ram�rez S�nchez, or
>>> "Carlos the Jackal", received his moniker because the novel was found in
>>> what was thought to be his bag. Yigal Amir used the novel while planning
>>> his assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995, while
>>> Vladimir Arutinian, who attempted to kill US President George W. Bush
>>> during his 2005 visit to the country of Georgia, was also found to be an
>>> avid reader of the novel (although the actual methods employed were
>>> different from the novel's).
>>
>>> Copy Off
>>
>>> Forsyth followed Jackal with The Odessa File. Once again his book was made
>>> into a movie and once again a JFK reference. I�m sure many here have
>>> seen the movie.
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS8OM9_38VM
>>
>>> Although it is not in this clip, news of JFK�s assassination is
>>> broadcast on the radio immediately prior to Perry Como�s Christmas Dream
>>> (one of my favorite Christmas songs).
>>
>>> And with that, here�s wishing all here a
HistorianDetective
> On 12/19/2009 11:20 PM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 19, 7:53 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 12/19/2009 9:31 AM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>
> >>> The Day of the Jackal
> >>> by Frederick Forsyth
> >>> published 1971
> >>> Viking Press
>
> >>> The book begins with events concerning a real assassination attempt that
> >>> occurred against Charles de Gaulle in 1962.
>
> >>> Copy On
>
> >>> Page 11 While journalists the world over speculated on the assassination
> >>> attempt and for lack of anything better filled their columns with personal
> >>> conjectures, the French police, headed by Surete Nationale and backed up
> >>> by the Secret Service and the Gendarmerie, launched the biggest police
> >>> operation in French history. Soon it was to become the biggest manhunt the
> >>> country had yet known, only later to be surpassed by the manhunt for
> >>> another assassin whose story remains unknown but who is still listed in
> >>> the files by his code-name, the Jackal.
>
> >>> Copy Off
>
> >>> (original version)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
> >>> There are quite a few allusions to JFK found in this clip.
>
> >>> The Day of the Jackal (original trailer)
> >>> where the Jackal tests his rifle. Note that the last shot is not the same
> >>> as in the movie. It occurs at 1:26 in the two minute clip. It looks
> >>> eventually cut from the movie itself.
>
> > TM,
>
> >> Nice find. But of course the WC defenders think the melon was shot from
> >> behind and the reason why it moves backwards is because of the jet
> >> effect. BTW, does the book or movie explain exactly how those explosive
> >> bullets were made? As I remember it he used a very small caliber bullet.
>
> > Quiz time? I'll be honest. I can't remember the exact details of the
> > bullets.
TM
>
> They look to me like .22 Magnums.
>
hmmmmmm...yes they do, don't they?
More than enough to do the job.
I checked the book. No definite size for the bullets. Just brief
descriptions. They were made of stainless steel.
JM
j leyden
wrote:
> The Day of the Jackal
> by Frederick Forsyth
> published 1971
> Viking Press
Another interesting aspect of the book is that the police were looking for
the wrong suspect but it led them to the right one. Forget how that
happened (long time since I reasd the book) but it shows things don't
always go according to plan.
JGL
>
> The book begins with events concerning a real assassination attempt that
> occurred against Charles de Gaulle in 1962.
>
> Copy On
>
> Page 11 While journalists the world over speculated on the assassination
> attempt and for lack of anything better filled their columns with personal
> conjectures, the French police, headed by Surete Nationale and backed up
> by the Secret Service and the Gendarmerie, launched the biggest police
> operation in French history. Soon it was to become the biggest manhunt the
> country had yet known, only later to be surpassed by the manhunt for
> another assassin whose story remains unknown but who is still listed in
> the files by his code-name, the Jackal.
>
> Copy Off
>
> Here’s a couple of clips found at You Tube… . The Day of the Jackal
> (original version)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
> There are quite a few allusions to JFK found in this clip.
>
> The Day of the Jackal (original trailer)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6xMnTPEzPoTake a look at the scene
jas
wrote:
> On Dec 19, 7:53 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 12/19/2009 9:31 AM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>
> > > The Day of the Jackal
> > > by Frederick Forsyth
> > > published 1971
> > > Viking Press
>
> > > The book begins with events concerning a real assassination attempt that
> > > occurred against Charles de Gaulle in 1962.
>
> > > Copy On
>
> > > Page 11 While journalists the world over speculated on the assassination
> > > attempt and for lack of anything better filled their columns with personal
> > > conjectures, the French police, headed by Surete Nationale and backed up
> > > by the Secret Service and the Gendarmerie, launched the biggest police
> > > operation in French history. Soon it was to become the biggest manhunt the
> > > country had yet known, only later to be surpassed by the manhunt for
> > > another assassin whose story remains unknown but who is still listed in
> > > the files by his code-name, the Jackal.
>
> > > Copy Off
>
> > > Here’s a couple of clips found at You Tube… . The Day of the Jackal
> > > (original version)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
> > > There are quite a few allusions to JFK found in this clip.
>
> > > The Day of the Jackal (original trailer)
> > > where the Jackal tests his rifle. Note that the last shot is not the same
> > > as in the movie. It occurs at 1:26 in the two minute clip. It looks
> > > awfully similar to JFK’s headshot and perhaps is the reason it was
> > > eventually cut from the movie itself.
>
> TM,
>
> > Nice find. But of course the WC defenders think the melon was shot from
> > behind and the reason why it moves backwards is because of the jet
> > effect. BTW, does the book or movie explain exactly how those explosive
> > bullets were made? As I remember it he used a very small caliber bullet.
>
> Quiz time? I'll be honest. I can't remember the exact details of the
> bullets.
>
> I'll check and get back.
>
> Just curious. Did you catch JFK's face in the Movie version?
Notice where he sights in the scope. This is what Oswald couldn't do after
assembling the Carcano.
But, a shooter can still "ad lib" on the fly by watching where a fired
bullet strikes, then compensating for the error.
Anthony Marsh
> On Dec 19, 9:20 pm, HistorianDetective<historiandetect...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> On Dec 19, 7:53 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12/19/2009 9:31 AM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>>
>>>> The Day of the Jackal
>>>> by Frederick Forsyth
>>>> published 1971
>>>> Viking Press
>>
>>>> The book begins with events concerning a real assassination attempt that
>>>> occurred against Charles de Gaulle in 1962.
>>
>>>> Copy On
>>
>>>> Page 11 While journalists the world over speculated on the assassination
>>>> attempt and for lack of anything better filled their columns with personal
>>>> conjectures, the French police, headed by Surete Nationale and backed up
>>>> by the Secret Service and the Gendarmerie, launched the biggest police
>>>> operation in French history. Soon it was to become the biggest manhunt the
>>>> country had yet known, only later to be surpassed by the manhunt for
>>>> another assassin whose story remains unknown but who is still listed in
>>>> the files by his code-name, the Jackal.
>>
>>>> Copy Off
>>
>>>> (original version)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
>>>> There are quite a few allusions to JFK found in this clip.
>>
>>>> The Day of the Jackal (original trailer)
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6xMnTPEzPoTakea look at the scene
>>>> where the Jackal tests his rifle. Note that the last shot is not the same
>>>> as in the movie. It occurs at 1:26 in the two minute clip. It looks
>>>> eventually cut from the movie itself.
>>
>> TM,
>>
>>> Nice find. But of course the WC defenders think the melon was shot from
>>> behind and the reason why it moves backwards is because of the jet
>>> effect. BTW, does the book or movie explain exactly how those explosive
>>> bullets were made? As I remember it he used a very small caliber bullet.
>>
>> Quiz time? I'll be honest. I can't remember the exact details of the
>> bullets.
>>
>> I'll check and get back.
>>
>> Just curious. Did you catch JFK's face in the Movie version?
>> If not, try again.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
>>
>> I seriously doubt anybody thinks that the melon was shot from behind
>> seeing he was shooting from the front. One of the JFK allusions was not a
>> Magic Bullet.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Copy On Forsyth eschews psychological complexity in favour of meticulous
>>>> plotting, based on detailed factual research. His books are full of
>>>> information about the technical details of such subjects as money
>>>> laundering, gun running and identity theft. His novels read like
>>>> investigative journalism in fictional guise. His moral vision is a harsh
>>>> one: the world is made up of predators and prey, and only the strong
>>>> survive. Forsyth's novels typically show the ways in which spies,
>>>> gangsters, assassins, mercenaries, diplomats, business leaders and
>>>> politicians go about their business behind-the-scenes; the sort of things
>>>> that the average reader would not suspect while reading a simple headline.
>>>> The Jackal does not just go out and shoot at Charles de Gaulle: he does
>>>> meticulous research on the man at the library of the British Museum;
>>>> obtains papers for his false identities; travels around Paris to find a
>>>> His research has caused headaches for governments. In The Day of the
>>>> Jackal, he describes a technique used by a would-be assassin to obtain a
>>>> new passport. The assassin visits a church, and looks for a tombstone of
>>>> someone who was born nearly the same time he was, but died in infancy. He
>>>> then obtains a birth certificate, which enables him to obtain a passport
>>>> in that person's name - effectively stealing an identity. In the story,
>>>> the government didn't cross check passport requests with the death
>>>> registry. Unfortunately, that was actually government practice at the
>>>> time, and Forsyth revealed it in his writings. In The Deceiver, he
>>>> describes how a British agent bugs the coffin of a dead IRA member. The
>>>> microphone records the conversation of senior IRA members, who are using
>>>> the funeral as a chance for a conference about terrorist activities.
>>>> Journalists pressed the British government to say whether this had ever
>>>> been done, and the British government was forced to admit that indeed it
>>>> had.
>>
>>>> Several recent assassins have been associated with Day of the Jackal, some
>>>> "Carlos the Jackal", received his moniker because the novel was found in
>>>> what was thought to be his bag. Yigal Amir used the novel while planning
>>>> his assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995, while
>>>> Vladimir Arutinian, who attempted to kill US President George W. Bush
>>>> during his 2005 visit to the country of Georgia, was also found to be an
>>>> avid reader of the novel (although the actual methods employed were
>>>> different from the novel's).
>>
>>>> Copy Off
>>
>>>> Forsyth followed Jackal with The Odessa File. Once again his book was made
>>>> broadcast on the radio immediately prior to Perry Como�s Christmas Dream
>>>> (one of my favorite Christmas songs).
>>
>>
>>>> Very Merry Christmas and Fruitful Upcoming New Year!
>>
>>>> JM
>>
>>>> PS...Thanks to JGLeyden for posting a reference to Jackal awhile back. It
>>>> had been almost four decades since I first read it. I had to do a reread.
>>>> Glad I did and recommend it to anyone interested in an assassination plot.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> I serioulsy doubt
>
> Notice where he sights in the scope. This is what Oswald couldn't do after
> assembling the Carcano.
>
Notice the prop man provided a very expensive scope, one which could be
adjusted, not like Oswald's cheap, broken, and defective scope. Most
people assume that the problem with rezeroing the rifle after assembly
has to do with bedding the barrel on the stock. The Jackal's rifle does
not bed onto a stock, so there is no need to rezero it.
Likewise my old AR-7 attached the barrel to the stock with a screw at
the butt, so it did not need to be rezeroed.
When the Jackal took his test shots, that was the first time he had a
chance to fire it and was zeroing it to the distance he estimated from
the building. The .22 Winchester Magnum has a fairly flat trajectory.
The problem I have with the movie is that the rifle has a silencer so
he'd probably need to have under loaded rounds as the normal muzzle
velocity is about 1,650 fps. But he had specified that the range would
probably be less than 400 feet which is well within the accuracy of the
.22 Winchester Magnum. On the other hand converting the bullets to
explosive tips probably makes them lighter than the typical lead bullets
thus increasing the muzzle velocity. Interestingly that is exactly the
complication I thought a grassy knoll shooter would have if he had used
a silencer.
> But, a shooter can still "ad lib" on the fly by watching where a fired
> bullet strikes, then compensating for the error.
>
Not in an assassination. One shot one kill.
The Jackal doubted he'd get a chance for a second shot, but as I
remember the movie he did miss with the first shot.
Anthony Marsh
> On Dec 20, 10:21 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 12/19/2009 11:20 PM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 19, 7:53 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> On 12/19/2009 9:31 AM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>>
>>>>> The Day of the Jackal
>>>>> by Frederick Forsyth
>>>>> published 1971
>>>>> Viking Press
>>
>>>>> The book begins with events concerning a real assassination attempt that
>>>>> occurred against Charles de Gaulle in 1962.
>>
>>>>> Copy On
>>
>>>>> Page 11 While journalists the world over speculated on the assassination
>>>>> attempt and for lack of anything better filled their columns with personal
>>>>> conjectures, the French police, headed by Surete Nationale and backed up
>>>>> by the Secret Service and the Gendarmerie, launched the biggest police
>>>>> operation in French history. Soon it was to become the biggest manhunt the
>>>>> country had yet known, only later to be surpassed by the manhunt for
>>>>> another assassin whose story remains unknown but who is still listed in
>>>>> the files by his code-name, the Jackal.
>>
>>>>> Copy Off
>>
>>>>> (original version)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
>>>>> There are quite a few allusions to JFK found in this clip.
>>
>>>>> The Day of the Jackal (original trailer)
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6xMnTPEzPoTakea look at the scene
>>>>> where the Jackal tests his rifle. Note that the last shot is not the same
>>>>> as in the movie. It occurs at 1:26 in the two minute clip. It looks
>>>>> eventually cut from the movie itself.
>>
>>> TM,
>>
>>>> Nice find. But of course the WC defenders think the melon was shot from
>>>> behind and the reason why it moves backwards is because of the jet
>>>> effect. BTW, does the book or movie explain exactly how those explosive
>>>> bullets were made? As I remember it he used a very small caliber bullet.
>>
>>> Quiz time? I'll be honest. I can't remember the exact details of the
>>> bullets.
>
>
> TM
>>
>> They look to me like .22 Magnums.
>>
> hmmmmmm...yes they do, don't they?
>
> More than enough to do the job.
>
> I checked the book. No definite size for the bullets. Just brief
> descriptions. They were made of stainless steel.
>
or the bullet casings? Maybe you're thinking of the crutch poles where
he used stainless steel instead of the request aluminum.
I can't remember when Forsyth was writing the book, but the .22
Winchester Magnum was under development in 1959 and marketed in 1960, so
he may have been thinking of it being small, but more powerful and
accurate than the typical .22 LR. Thus an ideal concealable
assassination rifle in 1963.
I think James Bond used an AR-7 in .25 caliber for one movie.
>
> JM
jas
> On 12/20/2009 6:07 PM, jas wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 19, 9:20 pm, HistorianDetective<historiandetect...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On Dec 19, 7:53 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>> On 12/19/2009 9:31 AM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>
> >>>> The Day of the Jackal
> >>>> by Frederick Forsyth
> >>>> published 1971
> >>>> Viking Press
>
> >>>> The book begins with events concerning a real assassination attempt that
> >>>> occurred against Charles de Gaulle in 1962.
>
> >>>> Copy On
>
> >>>> Page 11 While journalists the world over speculated on the assassination
> >>>> attempt and for lack of anything better filled their columns with personal
> >>>> conjectures, the French police, headed by Surete Nationale and backed up
> >>>> by the Secret Service and the Gendarmerie, launched the biggest police
> >>>> operation in French history. Soon it was to become the biggest manhunt the
> >>>> country had yet known, only later to be surpassed by the manhunt for
> >>>> another assassin whose story remains unknown but who is still listed in
> >>>> the files by his code-name, the Jackal.
>
> >>>> Copy Off
>
> >>>> (original version)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
> >>>> There are quite a few allusions to JFK found in this clip.
>
> >>>> The Day of the Jackal (original trailer)
> >>>> where the Jackal tests his rifle. Note that the last shot is not the same
> >>>> as in the movie. It occurs at 1:26 in the two minute clip. It looks
> >>>> eventually cut from the movie itself.
>
> >> TM,
>
> >>> Nice find. But of course the WC defenders think the melon was shot from
> >>> behind and the reason why it moves backwards is because of the jet
> >>> effect. BTW, does the book or movie explain exactly how those explosive
> >>> bullets were made? As I remember it he used a very small caliber bullet.
>
> >> Quiz time? I'll be honest. I can't remember the exact details of the
> >> bullets.
>
> >> I'll check and get back.
>
> >> Just curious. Did you catch JFK's face in the Movie version?
> >> If not, try again.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
>
> >> I seriously doubt anybody thinks that the melon was shot from behind
> >> seeing he was shooting from the front. One of the JFK allusions was not a
> >> Magic Bullet.
>
>
> >>>> Copy On Forsyth eschews psychological complexity in favour of meticulous
> >>>> plotting, based on detailed factual research. His books are full of
> >>>> information about the technical details of such subjects as money
> >>>> laundering, gun running and identity theft. His novels read like
> >>>> investigative journalism in fictional guise. His moral vision is a harsh
> >>>> one: the world is made up of predators and prey, and only the strong
> >>>> survive. Forsyth's novels typically show the ways in which spies,
> >>>> gangsters, assassins, mercenaries, diplomats, business leaders and
> >>>> politicians go about their business behind-the-scenes; the sort of things
> >>>> that the average reader would not suspect while reading a simple headline.
> >>>> The Jackal does not just go out and shoot at Charles de Gaulle: he does
> >>>> meticulous research on the man at the library of the British Museum;
> >>>> obtains papers for his false identities; travels around Paris to find a
> >>>> His research has caused headaches for governments. In The Day of the
> >>>> Jackal, he describes a technique used by a would-be assassin to obtain a
> >>>> new passport. The assassin visits a church, and looks for a tombstone of
> >>>> someone who was born nearly the same time he was, but died in infancy. He
> >>>> then obtains a birth certificate, which enables him to obtain a passport
> >>>> in that person's name - effectively stealing an identity. In the story,
> >>>> the government didn't cross check passport requests with the death
> >>>> registry. Unfortunately, that was actually government practice at the
> >>>> time, and Forsyth revealed it in his writings. In The Deceiver, he
> >>>> describes how a British agent bugs the coffin of a dead IRA member. The
> >>>> microphone records the conversation of senior IRA members, who are using
> >>>> the funeral as a chance for a conference about terrorist activities.
> >>>> Journalists pressed the British government to say whether this had ever
> >>>> been done, and the British government was forced to admit that indeed it
> >>>> had.
>
> >>>> Several recent assassins have been associated with Day of the Jackal, some
> >>>> "Carlos the Jackal", received his moniker because the novel was found in
> >>>> what was thought to be his bag. Yigal Amir used the novel while planning
> >>>> his assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995, while
> >>>> Vladimir Arutinian, who attempted to kill US President George W. Bush
> >>>> during his 2005 visit to the country of Georgia, was also found to be an
> >>>> avid reader of the novel (although the actual methods employed were
> >>>> different from the novel's).
>
> >>>> Copy Off
>
> >>>> Forsyth followed Jackal with The Odessa File. Once again his book was made
> >>>> broadcast on the radio immediately prior to Perry Como’s Christmas Dream
> >>>> (one of my favorite Christmas songs).
>
Well, in this particular real-world assassination Oswald apparently
was smarter than the Jackal for using a multi-shot clipped weapon
instead of a single-shot firing device. Had Oswald had only one shot
that day we'd have a live John F. Kennedy.
He fired 3 times -- 2 misses first and finally a hit. This indicates
he probably was using the ad lib sighting in I described above.
HistorianDetective
> On 12/20/2009 3:33 PM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 20, 10:21 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 12/19/2009 11:20 PM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>
> >>> On Dec 19, 7:53 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 12/19/2009 9:31 AM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>
> >>>>> The Day of the Jackal
> >>>>> by Frederick Forsyth
> >>>>> published 1971
> >>>>> Viking Press
>
> >>>>> The book begins with events concerning a real assassination attempt that
> >>>>> occurred against Charles de Gaulle in 1962.
>
> >>>>> Copy On
>
> >>>>> Page 11 While journalists the world over speculated on the assassination
> >>>>> attempt and for lack of anything better filled their columns with personal
> >>>>> conjectures, the French police, headed by Surete Nationale and backed up
> >>>>> by the Secret Service and the Gendarmerie, launched the biggest police
> >>>>> operation in French history. Soon it was to become the biggest manhunt the
> >>>>> country had yet known, only later to be surpassed by the manhunt for
> >>>>> another assassin whose story remains unknown but who is still listed in
> >>>>> the files by his code-name, the Jackal.
>
> >>>>> Copy Off
>
> >>>>> (original version)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
> >>>>> There are quite a few allusions to JFK found in this clip.
>
> >>>>> The Day of the Jackal (original trailer)
> >>>>> where the Jackal tests his rifle. Note that the last shot is not the same
> >>>>> as in the movie. It occurs at 1:26 in the two minute clip. It looks
> >>>>> eventually cut from the movie itself.
>
> >>> TM,
>
> >>>> Nice find. But of course the WC defenders think the melon was shot from
> >>>> behind and the reason why it moves backwards is because of the jet
> >>>> effect. BTW, does the book or movie explain exactly how those explosive
> >>>> bullets were made? As I remember it he used a very small caliber bullet.
>
> >>> Quiz time? I'll be honest. I can't remember the exact details of the
> >>> bullets.
>
> > TM
>
> >> They look to me like .22 Magnums.
>
> > hmmmmmm...yes they do, don't they?
>
> > More than enough to do the job.
>
> > I checked the book. No definite size for the bullets. Just brief
> > descriptions. They were made of stainless steel.
>
> I missed that. Did the book say the bullets were made of stainless steel
> or the bullet casings? Maybe you're thinking of the crutch poles where
> he used stainless steel instead of the request aluminum.
> I can't remember when Forsyth was writing the book, but the .22
> Winchester Magnum was under development in 1959 and marketed in 1960, so
> he may have been thinking of it being small, but more powerful and
> accurate than the typical .22 LR. Thus an ideal concealable
> assassination rifle in 1963.
> I think James Bond used an AR-7 in .25 caliber for one movie.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
He states "tubes" were made from stainless steel.
I assume he means casings.
He also used lead and mercury for the exploding bullets.
JM
HistorianDetective
> On Dec 19, 9:31 am, HistorianDetective <historiandetect...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The Day of the Jackal
> > by Frederick Forsyth
> > published 1971
> > Viking Press
JGL
>
> Another interesting aspect of the book is that the police were looking for
> the wrong suspect but it led them to the right one. Forget how that
> happened (long time since I reasd the book) but it shows things don't
> always go according to plan.
>
I'm not going to give away the ending. ;-)
If you liked Jackal, I'm sure you will like Fist of God, one of his recent
books about Iraq and WMD.
I'm halfway thru.
And then its on to "The Afghan."
If there was something to a JFK assassination conspiracy/coverup,
I'm sure he would have written a fictional book about it also. :-)
JM
PS...I'm glad you posted that Day of Jackal reference awhile back.
I doubt I would have taken another go at a Forsyth book had you not.
Anthony Marsh
> On Dec 21, 8:11 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 12/20/2009 3:33 PM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 20, 10:21 am, Anthony Marsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> On 12/19/2009 11:20 PM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Dec 19, 7:53 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/19/2009 9:31 AM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> The Day of the Jackal
>>>>>>> by Frederick Forsyth
>>>>>>> published 1971
>>>>>>> Viking Press
>>
>>>>>>> The book begins with events concerning a real assassination attempt that
>>>>>>> occurred against Charles de Gaulle in 1962.
>>
>>>>>>> Copy On
>>
>>>>>>> Page 11 While journalists the world over speculated on the assassination
>>>>>>> attempt and for lack of anything better filled their columns with personal
>>>>>>> conjectures, the French police, headed by Surete Nationale and backed up
>>>>>>> by the Secret Service and the Gendarmerie, launched the biggest police
>>>>>>> operation in French history. Soon it was to become the biggest manhunt the
>>>>>>> country had yet known, only later to be surpassed by the manhunt for
>>>>>>> another assassin whose story remains unknown but who is still listed in
>>>>>>> the files by his code-name, the Jackal.
>>
>>>>>>> Copy Off
>>
>>>>>>> (original version)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
>>>>>>> There are quite a few allusions to JFK found in this clip.
>>
>>>>>>> The Day of the Jackal (original trailer)
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6xMnTPEzPoTakealook at the scene
>>>>>>> where the Jackal tests his rifle. Note that the last shot is not the same
>>>>>>> as in the movie. It occurs at 1:26 in the two minute clip. It looks
No, the tubes are for concealing the parts of the rifle.
> I assume he means casings.
>
No.
> He also used lead and mercury for the exploding bullets.
>
The bullets start out as partially hardened lead. His technique for making
the explosive bullets was to hollow out the tip of the bullet and pour
mercury into it then seal the tip with a cap of wax. The Jackal had
wondered if he'd use glycerin (as Dr. McCarthy did for his test) or
mercury. The gunsmith preferred to use mercury because it's easier to work
with.
I just assume that brand also had a copper wash for the jacket.
> JM
>
>
HistorianDetective
TM
> > He states "tubes" were made from stainless steel.
>
> No, the tubes are for concealing the parts of the rifle.
>
Yep. You are right.
> > I assume he means casings.
>
> No.
>
> > He also used lead and mercury for the exploding bullets.
>
> The bullets start out as partially hardened lead. His technique for making
> the explosive bullets was to hollow out the tip of the bullet and pour
> mercury into it then seal the tip with a cap of wax. The Jackal had
> wondered if he'd use glycerin (as Dr. McCarthy did for his test) or
> mercury. The gunsmith preferred to use mercury because it's easier to work
> with.
>
Per Mr. Goossens, the gunsmith.....
"Oh mercury. I think. So much neater and cleaner..."
> I just assume that brand also had a copper wash for the jacket.
Forsyth doesn't go into that much detail regarding the components of
the bullets.
But I found this passage regarding size....
"Not as small as a twenty-two calibre...
Nor as big as a Remington three hundred."
JM
Anthony Marsh
> On Dec 20, 4:56 pm, j leyden<JLeyden...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 19, 9:31 am, HistorianDetective<historiandetect...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Day of the Jackal
>>> by Frederick Forsyth
>>> published 1971
>>> Viking Press
>
> JGL
>>
>> Another interesting aspect of the book is that the police were looking for
>> the wrong suspect but it led them to the right one. Forget how that
>> happened (long time since I reasd the book) but it shows things don't
>> always go according to plan.
>>
>
> I'm not going to give away the ending. ;-)
>
> If you liked Jackal, I'm sure you will like Fist of God, one of his recent
> books about Iraq and WMD.
>
> I'm halfway thru.
>
> And then its on to "The Afghan."
>
> If there was something to a JFK assassination conspiracy/coverup,
> I'm sure he would have written a fictional book about it also. :-)
>
Interesting. So you think that The Day of the Jackal is a documentary?
HistorianDetective
> On 12/21/2009 4:22 PM, HistorianDetective wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 20, 4:56 pm, j leyden<JLeyden...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 19, 9:31 am, HistorianDetective<historiandetect...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> The Day of the Jackal
> >>> by Frederick Forsyth
> >>> published 1971
> >>> Viking Press
>
> > JGL
>
> >> Another interesting aspect of the book is that the police were looking for
> >> the wrong suspect but it led them to the right one. Forget how that
> >> happened (long time since I reasd the book) but it shows things don't
> >> always go according to plan.
>
> > I'm not going to give away the ending. ;-)
>
> > If you liked Jackal, I'm sure you will like Fist of God, one of his recent
> > books about Iraq and WMD.
>
> > I'm halfway thru.
>
> > And then its on to "The Afghan."
>
TM,
> > If there was something to a JFK assassination conspiracy/coverup,
> > I'm sure he would have written a fictional book about it also. :-)
>
> Interesting. So you think that The Day of the Jackal is a documentary?
LOL.
How you got documentary out of 'fictional book' is beyond my
comprehension.
I'm curious. Did you or anyone spot JFK in the movie clip?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cIyL4qCcig&NR=1
JM
> > PS...I'm glad you posted that Day of Jackal reference awhile back.
> > I doubt I would have taken another go at a Forsyth book had you not.- Hide quoted text -
Anthony Marsh
Your wording implied that "there was something to" the Day of the Jackal
attempt which was the basis for Forsyth fictionalizing it, much as he
might fictionalize the JFK assassination conspiracy/coverup "if there was
something to a JFK assassination/cover-up."
Your logic trick backfired on you. You tried to imply that he knew there
was nothing to the JFK assassination conspiracy, so why should he
fictionalize it as he did in The Day of the Jackal. That comparison
implies that he thought that there was something to the Day of the Jackal
assassination attempt. Various other authors have fictionalized an attempt
to assassinate President Kennedy. Such as The Day of the Dolphin. But that
does not mean it is a thinly disguised documentary.
HistorianDetective
TM
> Your wording implied that "there was something to" the Day of the Jackal
My last thoughts in my post pertained to 'Fist of God" and "The
Afghan."
Not necessarily, the Jackal.
JFK conspiracy plots require numerous extraordinary circumstances
and avoidance of reasoned facts to accomplish.
Forsyth avoids extraordinary circumstances and embraces
reasoned facts to accomplish.
JM
PS... Per your...
"But that does not mean it is a thinly disguised documentary."
There's that documentary word again. I am not discussing the movie.
I am discussing the novels.
Peter Fokes
<historian...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>JFK conspiracy plots require numerous extraordinary circumstances
>and avoidance of reasoned facts to accomplish.
How many millions of dollars did the U.S. Government pay folks to come
to the conclusion there was a conspiracy?
Isn't Blakey a tenured professor at Notre Dame?
Surely he uses reasoned facts when teaching, doesn't he?
We probably agree he got it wrong --- but not for the same reasons!
Regards,
Peter Fokes,
Toronto
HistorianDetective
> On 23 Dec 2009 17:13:27 -0500, HistorianDetective
>
> >JFK conspiracy plots require numerous extraordinary circumstances
> >and avoidance of reasoned facts to accomplish.
>
PF
> How many millions of dollars did the U.S. Government pay folks to come
> to the conclusion there was a conspiracy?
>
I have no clue as to that unnecessary cost we taxpayers had to burden and
foreigners once again, like yourself, got free info.
Let alone the added expense of hiring a team of scientists to demonstrate
the flawed analysis of the junk science utilized to form that conclusion
that cost millions (per you).
Millions paid and what did we get?
Absolutely Nuthin' and Back to Square 1 ( the WCR) !
Why, there outta be a law!!!
JM