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Robert Harris
Oct 18, 2012, 4:25:34 PM10/18/12
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Decide for yourselves folks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXglIRrg3Kg
This is not a Rorschach test or an optical illusion. The protrusion is
huge and ridiculously obvious. The massive damage is easily seen all
throughout the Zapruder film, from about frame 320 until the head drops
out of our view.
This image explains the nature of the damage and the only way it could
have formed as it did.
http://jfkhistory.com/LastShot2/BOHDamage_files/5.jpg
In this next video I cite Dr. Boswell, who confirmed much of what I have
been saying. That large piece of skull which remained attached to the
scalp could simply be flipped back into place, covering over most of the
damage there. Boswell admitted that it was his hand holding the scalp in
place, so that it did not fall back, revealing the damage.
That's why the Parkland doctors described damage which does not appear
in some of the autopsy photos, and why Humes described the size of the
large defect as much smaller than Boswell did. He measured it with the
damage covered over and Boswell measured with the head laid open.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYaoBB1rwkc
Robert Harris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXglIRrg3Kg
This is not a Rorschach test or an optical illusion. The protrusion is
huge and ridiculously obvious. The massive damage is easily seen all
throughout the Zapruder film, from about frame 320 until the head drops
out of our view.
This image explains the nature of the damage and the only way it could
have formed as it did.
http://jfkhistory.com/LastShot2/BOHDamage_files/5.jpg
In this next video I cite Dr. Boswell, who confirmed much of what I have
been saying. That large piece of skull which remained attached to the
scalp could simply be flipped back into place, covering over most of the
damage there. Boswell admitted that it was his hand holding the scalp in
place, so that it did not fall back, revealing the damage.
That's why the Parkland doctors described damage which does not appear
in some of the autopsy photos, and why Humes described the size of the
large defect as much smaller than Boswell did. He measured it with the
damage covered over and Boswell measured with the head laid open.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYaoBB1rwkc
Robert Harris
fatol...@gmail.com
Oct 19, 2012, 3:27:31 PM10/19/12
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It certainly looks like a protrusion in your picture, and it looks like it's the back scalp all bunched up at the neck area. I would like to check that frame from another source. The Costella frames I have do not show what your picture does, and I do not have the MPI of those frames. It doesn't really look like that through 328, which I do have. Assuming that your picture is genuine as far as the Zapruder film goes, I'd say that you have proven that the Zapruder film shows a protrusion which resembles the scalp bunched up at the bottom of his head. And your explanation for its implications regarding the apparent inconsistencies between the Parkland observations and the autopsy photos seems reasonable. I don't see why the moderator can't accept your argument that far. It doesn't really challenge WC orthodoxy. One could argue, if one believed in the SBT that a shot from behind could have done this. It's certainly as easy to believe as CE399 having smashed Connally's wrist. Though I would think the hit circa 331 is more likely responsible.
Robert Harris
Oct 19, 2012, 8:00:23 PM10/19/12
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President". He took it from the second generation copy of the Zfilm that
the HSCA had and blew it up to almost a full page. It's the clearest copy
of a frame in that range that we will ever see.
And if you look at the top post in the thread, "That massive protrusion",
you will see links to other frames which are not quite as sharp but depict
that protrusion quite clearly and indisputably. The Costella frames BTW,
are at a somewhat lower resolution.
I doubt that John will ever admit that he sees this damage, because he
knows it was inflicted later than the explosive headshot at 313. I have
been posting about this since the mid nineties, and he also knows what
happens when nutters try to argue that this was some kind of delayed
reaction:-)
Robert Harris
John Canal
Oct 19, 2012, 8:01:27 PM10/19/12
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In article <1-ydnZnpCL8qhR3N...@earthlink.com>, Robert Harris
says...
Please refer to the copy of the superior brain drawing (see the link
below).
http://imageshack.us/a/img545/513/braindwgbulletpath.jpg
Now, I've drawn on the image the path that I think the major pieces (those
found in the front of the limo, from the only bullet that hit JFK in the
head) took through his brain.
Please note that it is readily apparent from the damage that brain tissue
exploded from where those major pieces exited the right frontal lobe (see
my red lines).
Robert, since you're such an adept image analyzer do me a favor and draw
the bullet path on the brain drawing that you think the bullet that caused
"your protrusion" took....and then repost the image with your "protrusion
causing bullet path".
Thanks.
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
says...
>
>Decide for yourselves folks.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXglIRrg3Kg
>
>This is not a Rorschach test or an optical illusion. The protrusion is
>huge and ridiculously obvious. The massive damage is easily seen all
>throughout the Zapruder film, from about frame 320 until the head drops
>out of our view.
>
>This image explains the nature of the damage and the only way it could
>have formed as it did.
>
>http://jfkhistory.com/LastShot2/BOHDamage_files/5.jpg
Robert, I have a request if you have time.
>Decide for yourselves folks.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXglIRrg3Kg
>
>This is not a Rorschach test or an optical illusion. The protrusion is
>huge and ridiculously obvious. The massive damage is easily seen all
>throughout the Zapruder film, from about frame 320 until the head drops
>out of our view.
>
>This image explains the nature of the damage and the only way it could
>have formed as it did.
>
>http://jfkhistory.com/LastShot2/BOHDamage_files/5.jpg
Please refer to the copy of the superior brain drawing (see the link
below).
http://imageshack.us/a/img545/513/braindwgbulletpath.jpg
Now, I've drawn on the image the path that I think the major pieces (those
found in the front of the limo, from the only bullet that hit JFK in the
head) took through his brain.
Please note that it is readily apparent from the damage that brain tissue
exploded from where those major pieces exited the right frontal lobe (see
my red lines).
Robert, since you're such an adept image analyzer do me a favor and draw
the bullet path on the brain drawing that you think the bullet that caused
"your protrusion" took....and then repost the image with your "protrusion
causing bullet path".
Thanks.
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
John Reagor King
Oct 20, 2012, 5:58:14 PM10/20/12
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In article <3cc7dacb-7eb8-4920...@googlegroups.com>,
he starts to fall over to his left, it doesn't look like one at all.
> Assuming that your picture is
> genuine as far as the Zapruder film goes, I'd say that you have proven that
> the Zapruder film shows a protrusion which resembles the scalp bunched up at
> the bottom of his head. And your explanation for its implications regarding
> the apparent inconsistencies between the Parkland observations and the
> autopsy photos seems reasonable.
Except that the cause of the "protrusion" is in entirely the wrong part
of the head, much closer to the top center of the rear of the head than
where the majority of the witnesses actually said it was, which was much
closer to being about halfway between the right ear and the center of
the back of the head.
> I don't see why the moderator can't accept
> your argument that far.
I do.
> It doesn't really challenge WC orthodoxy.
The *real* cause of the hole in the right rear of JFK's head doesn't
challenge it in the slightest, but apparently few of even the LNs
realize that.
> One could
> argue, if one believed in the SBT that a shot from behind could have done
> this.
SBT? That's a different shot from the head shot.
> It's certainly as easy to believe as CE399 having smashed Connally's
> wrist. Though I would think the hit circa 331 is more likely responsible.
Because of what? The extremely threadbare evidence you have presented
thus far? Don't think I haven't noticed how you have routinely ignored
me when I've told you over and over and over that by Z331 Connally's
right wrist was much too low in the car for that to work. I imagine at
least a few of your own fellow CTs have noticed as well.
fatol...@gmail.com wrote:
> It certainly looks like a protrusion in your picture, and it looks like it's
> the back scalp all bunched up at the neck area. I would like to check that
> frame from another source. The Costella frames I have do not show what your
> picture does, and I do not have the MPI of those frames. It doesn't really
> look like that through 328, which I do have.
Exactly. It looks like a protrusion in a few frames only, but then as
> It certainly looks like a protrusion in your picture, and it looks like it's
> the back scalp all bunched up at the neck area. I would like to check that
> frame from another source. The Costella frames I have do not show what your
> picture does, and I do not have the MPI of those frames. It doesn't really
> look like that through 328, which I do have.
he starts to fall over to his left, it doesn't look like one at all.
> Assuming that your picture is
> genuine as far as the Zapruder film goes, I'd say that you have proven that
> the Zapruder film shows a protrusion which resembles the scalp bunched up at
> the bottom of his head. And your explanation for its implications regarding
> the apparent inconsistencies between the Parkland observations and the
> autopsy photos seems reasonable.
of the head, much closer to the top center of the rear of the head than
where the majority of the witnesses actually said it was, which was much
closer to being about halfway between the right ear and the center of
the back of the head.
> I don't see why the moderator can't accept
> your argument that far.
> It doesn't really challenge WC orthodoxy.
challenge it in the slightest, but apparently few of even the LNs
realize that.
> One could
> argue, if one believed in the SBT that a shot from behind could have done
> this.
> It's certainly as easy to believe as CE399 having smashed Connally's
> wrist. Though I would think the hit circa 331 is more likely responsible.
thus far? Don't think I haven't noticed how you have routinely ignored
me when I've told you over and over and over that by Z331 Connally's
right wrist was much too low in the car for that to work. I imagine at
least a few of your own fellow CTs have noticed as well.
Robert Harris
Oct 20, 2012, 5:59:10 PM10/20/12
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First of all, your illustration does not show us where the explosion
took place, which was probably about halfway between the rear of the
head and the front. As Boswell pointed out, roughly half of the brain in
the upper-right hemisphere was blown out.
Also, I don't know how we can do anything meaningful without a 3D model
to work with.
But the biggest problem is that I don't know the path of that bullet. If
it came from the knoll, it would be much different than it would be from
the north storm drain, or the storm drain what was further west, near
the overpass.
Since I have answered a number of your questions, perhaps you will
answer one for me. Do you see a large protrusion in the upper rear of
the President's head in 337 and other frames I linked?
Or do you agree with McAdams that this is all a figment of my imagination?
Robert Harris
Anthony Marsh
Oct 20, 2012, 6:02:52 PM10/20/12
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On 10/19/2012 8:01 PM, John Canal wrote:
> In article <1-ydnZnpCL8qhR3N...@earthlink.com>, Robert Harris
> says...
>>
>> Decide for yourselves folks.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXglIRrg3Kg
>>
>> This is not a Rorschach test or an optical illusion. The protrusion is
>> huge and ridiculously obvious. The massive damage is easily seen all
>> throughout the Zapruder film, from about frame 320 until the head drops
>> out of our view.
>>
>> This image explains the nature of the damage and the only way it could
>> have formed as it did.
>>
>> http://jfkhistory.com/LastShot2/BOHDamage_files/5.jpg
>
> Robert, I have a request if you have time.
>
> Please refer to the copy of the superior brain drawing (see the link
> below).
>
> http://imageshack.us/a/img545/513/braindwgbulletpath.jpg
>
> Now, I've drawn on the image the path that I think the major pieces (those
> found in the front of the limo, from the only bullet that hit JFK in the
> head) took through his brain.
>
What the bloody Hell is that? You show only one path. You don't show
> In article <1-ydnZnpCL8qhR3N...@earthlink.com>, Robert Harris
> says...
>>
>> Decide for yourselves folks.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXglIRrg3Kg
>>
>> This is not a Rorschach test or an optical illusion. The protrusion is
>> huge and ridiculously obvious. The massive damage is easily seen all
>> throughout the Zapruder film, from about frame 320 until the head drops
>> out of our view.
>>
>> This image explains the nature of the damage and the only way it could
>> have formed as it did.
>>
>> http://jfkhistory.com/LastShot2/BOHDamage_files/5.jpg
>
> Robert, I have a request if you have time.
>
> Please refer to the copy of the superior brain drawing (see the link
> below).
>
> http://imageshack.us/a/img545/513/braindwgbulletpath.jpg
>
> Now, I've drawn on the image the path that I think the major pieces (those
> found in the front of the limo, from the only bullet that hit JFK in the
> head) took through his brain.
>
your bullet breaking into several pieces at the back of the head.
No divergent path.
John Canal
Oct 20, 2012, 9:09:25 PM10/20/12
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In article <UdCdnfx0ZKUVvR_N...@earthlink.com>, Robert Harris
says...
must see where most of the brain matter exploded out....anyone can
see--unless you don't want to-- that most of the brain matter exploded out
the right front of the brain....which is as Boswell said, the
"upper-right" hemisphere.
>Also, I don't know how we can do anything meaningful without a 3D model
>to work with.
Oh, so you can't do a 2D drawing (from above the brain) showing where your
bullet entered, the path it took through the brain, and where it exited in
relation to at least the different hemispheres of the brain?
If a bullet caused your protrusion it sure looks to me like the rear left
hemisphere would have been damaged...but it was not harmed...please
explain.
>But the biggest problem is that I don't know the path of that bullet. If
>it came from the knoll, it would be much different than it would be from
>the north storm drain, or the storm drain what was further west, near
>the overpass.
Fine then draw two or three options in different colors...come on Mr.
Imagery Expert...no excuses.
>Since I have answered a number of your questions,
No you did not......and until you draw those 2D possible paths (one color
for each one of your sniper's nests) on the image of the brain, and
re-post it, I'll not be getting getting side-tracked with your questions.
[...]
John Canal
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
says...
>
>
>First of all, your illustration does not show us where the explosion
>took place, which was probably about halfway between the rear of the
>head and the front. As Boswell pointed out, roughly half of the brain in
>the upper-right hemisphere was blown out.
You're an expert at image analysis (e.g. ducking, prtrusions, etc.) so you
>
>First of all, your illustration does not show us where the explosion
>took place, which was probably about halfway between the rear of the
>head and the front. As Boswell pointed out, roughly half of the brain in
>the upper-right hemisphere was blown out.
must see where most of the brain matter exploded out....anyone can
see--unless you don't want to-- that most of the brain matter exploded out
the right front of the brain....which is as Boswell said, the
"upper-right" hemisphere.
>Also, I don't know how we can do anything meaningful without a 3D model
>to work with.
bullet entered, the path it took through the brain, and where it exited in
relation to at least the different hemispheres of the brain?
If a bullet caused your protrusion it sure looks to me like the rear left
hemisphere would have been damaged...but it was not harmed...please
explain.
>But the biggest problem is that I don't know the path of that bullet. If
>it came from the knoll, it would be much different than it would be from
>the north storm drain, or the storm drain what was further west, near
>the overpass.
Imagery Expert...no excuses.
>Since I have answered a number of your questions,
for each one of your sniper's nests) on the image of the brain, and
re-post it, I'll not be getting getting side-tracked with your questions.
[...]
John Canal
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
John canal
Oct 20, 2012, 9:11:07 PM10/20/12
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In article <508234f1$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
expression,"what the bloody hell" you're talking about re. the medical
evidence.
There was only one pathway (longitudinal laceration) that was described
that went completely through the brain...that's the one where the largest
fragments exited...and that's the one I drew.
>You don't show
>your bullet breaking into several pieces at the back of the head.
>No divergent path.
And pay attention this time....suggest you keep your fingers off your
keyboard if you're "trying" to read.
The bullet certainly fractured and deformed as it made contact with the
rear skull, but it takes time (in microseconds) for the pieces to
separate....and by the time they did the bullet would have traveled very
roughly two-three inches from the rear skull. That's where the bullet
actually fragmented with a lot of metallic debris also resulting from that
fragmentation.
Thomas Pinkston, who is an expert in math, calculated that roughly
two-three inch distance for me.
John Canal
[...]
>> Please note that it is readily apparent from the damage that brain tissue
>> exploded from where those major pieces exited the right frontal lobe (see
>> my red lines).
>>
>> Robert, since you're such an adept image analyzer do me a favor and draw
>> the bullet path on the brain drawing that you think the bullet that caused
>> "your protrusion" took....and then repost the image with your "protrusion
>> causing bullet path".
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
>
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
>
>On 10/19/2012 8:01 PM, John Canal wrote:
>> In article <1-ydnZnpCL8qhR3N...@earthlink.com>, Robert Harris
>> says...
>>>
>>> Decide for yourselves folks.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXglIRrg3Kg
>>>
>>> This is not a Rorschach test or an optical illusion. The protrusion is
>>> huge and ridiculously obvious. The massive damage is easily seen all
>>> throughout the Zapruder film, from about frame 320 until the head drops
>>> out of our view.
>>>
>>> This image explains the nature of the damage and the only way it could
>>> have formed as it did.
>>>
>>> http://jfkhistory.com/LastShot2/BOHDamage_files/5.jpg
>>
>> Robert, I have a request if you have time.
>>
>> Please refer to the copy of the superior brain drawing (see the link
>> below).
>>
>> http://imageshack.us/a/img545/513/braindwgbulletpath.jpg
>>
>> Now, I've drawn on the image the path that I think the major pieces (those
>> found in the front of the limo, from the only bullet that hit JFK in the
>> head) took through his brain.
>>
>
>What the bloody Hell is that? You show only one path.
Once again you demonstrate to us that you don't know, to use your
>On 10/19/2012 8:01 PM, John Canal wrote:
>> In article <1-ydnZnpCL8qhR3N...@earthlink.com>, Robert Harris
>> says...
>>>
>>> Decide for yourselves folks.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXglIRrg3Kg
>>>
>>> This is not a Rorschach test or an optical illusion. The protrusion is
>>> huge and ridiculously obvious. The massive damage is easily seen all
>>> throughout the Zapruder film, from about frame 320 until the head drops
>>> out of our view.
>>>
>>> This image explains the nature of the damage and the only way it could
>>> have formed as it did.
>>>
>>> http://jfkhistory.com/LastShot2/BOHDamage_files/5.jpg
>>
>> Robert, I have a request if you have time.
>>
>> Please refer to the copy of the superior brain drawing (see the link
>> below).
>>
>> http://imageshack.us/a/img545/513/braindwgbulletpath.jpg
>>
>> Now, I've drawn on the image the path that I think the major pieces (those
>> found in the front of the limo, from the only bullet that hit JFK in the
>> head) took through his brain.
>>
>
>What the bloody Hell is that? You show only one path.
expression,"what the bloody hell" you're talking about re. the medical
evidence.
There was only one pathway (longitudinal laceration) that was described
that went completely through the brain...that's the one where the largest
fragments exited...and that's the one I drew.
>You don't show
>your bullet breaking into several pieces at the back of the head.
>No divergent path.
keyboard if you're "trying" to read.
The bullet certainly fractured and deformed as it made contact with the
rear skull, but it takes time (in microseconds) for the pieces to
separate....and by the time they did the bullet would have traveled very
roughly two-three inches from the rear skull. That's where the bullet
actually fragmented with a lot of metallic debris also resulting from that
fragmentation.
Thomas Pinkston, who is an expert in math, calculated that roughly
two-three inch distance for me.
John Canal
[...]
>> Please note that it is readily apparent from the damage that brain tissue
>> exploded from where those major pieces exited the right frontal lobe (see
>> my red lines).
>>
>> Robert, since you're such an adept image analyzer do me a favor and draw
>> the bullet path on the brain drawing that you think the bullet that caused
>> "your protrusion" took....and then repost the image with your "protrusion
>> causing bullet path".
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
>
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
Anthony Marsh
Oct 20, 2012, 10:14:39 PM10/20/12
to
fragmented when it hit the back of the head. And your line does not send
the two fragments (what happened to the others from that bullet?) into
the windshield and chrome topping.
You know that. That is why you don't really believe your line is the
bullet path.
>> You don't show
>> your bullet breaking into several pieces at the back of the head.
>> No divergent path.
>
> And pay attention this time....suggest you keep your fingers off your
> keyboard if you're "trying" to read.
>
> The bullet certainly fractured and deformed as it made contact with the
> rear skull, but it takes time (in microseconds) for the pieces to
> separate....and by the time they did the bullet would have traveled very
> roughly two-three inches from the rear skull. That's where the bullet
> actually fragmented with a lot of metallic debris also resulting from that
> fragmentation.
>
gel? Within a few inches.
> Thomas Pinkston, who is an expert in math, calculated that roughly
> two-three inch distance for me.
>
Anthony Marsh
Oct 20, 2012, 10:15:58 PM10/20/12
to
On 10/20/2012 9:09 PM, John Canal wrote:
> In article <UdCdnfx0ZKUVvR_N...@earthlink.com>, Robert Harris
> says...
>>
>>
>> First of all, your illustration does not show us where the explosion
>> took place, which was probably about halfway between the rear of the
>> head and the front. As Boswell pointed out, roughly half of the brain in
>> the upper-right hemisphere was blown out.
>
> You're an expert at image analysis (e.g. ducking, prtrusions, etc.) so you
> must see where most of the brain matter exploded out....anyone can
> see--unless you don't want to-- that most of the brain matter exploded out
> the right front of the brain....which is as Boswell said, the
> "upper-right" hemisphere.
>
Maybe you've never seen the Zapruder film so you never saw the jets of
> In article <UdCdnfx0ZKUVvR_N...@earthlink.com>, Robert Harris
> says...
>>
>>
>> First of all, your illustration does not show us where the explosion
>> took place, which was probably about halfway between the rear of the
>> head and the front. As Boswell pointed out, roughly half of the brain in
>> the upper-right hemisphere was blown out.
>
> You're an expert at image analysis (e.g. ducking, prtrusions, etc.) so you
> must see where most of the brain matter exploded out....anyone can
> see--unless you don't want to-- that most of the brain matter exploded out
> the right front of the brain....which is as Boswell said, the
> "upper-right" hemisphere.
>
debris going UP out of the massive hole in the TOP of the head. There
was no hole in the front of the head from which debris could exit.
>> Also, I don't know how we can do anything meaningful without a 3D model
>> to work with.
>
> Oh, so you can't do a 2D drawing (from above the brain) showing where your
> bullet entered, the path it took through the brain, and where it exited in
> relation to at least the different hemispheres of the brain?
>
> If a bullet caused your protrusion it sure looks to me like the rear left
> hemisphere would have been damaged...but it was not harmed...please
> explain.
>
directly underneath?
>> But the biggest problem is that I don't know the path of that bullet. If
>> it came from the knoll, it would be much different than it would be from
>> the north storm drain, or the storm drain what was further west, near
>> the overpass.
>
> Fine then draw two or three options in different colors...come on Mr.
> Imagery Expert...no excuses.
>
all hit the chrome topping.
>> Since I have answered a number of your questions,
>
> No you did not......and until you draw those 2D possible paths (one color
> for each one of your sniper's nests) on the image of the brain, and
> re-post it, I'll not be getting getting side-tracked with your questions.
>
John Canal
Oct 20, 2012, 10:59:35 PM10/20/12
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In article <5083...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
If I said that that was man years ago before I was told by experts that
sepration of the pieces of a bullet takes time.
Since then, for years I've been saying the bllet fragmented after it
traveled very very roughly two-three inches into his head.
>And your line does not send
>the two fragments (what happened to the others from that bullet?) into
>the windshield and chrome topping.
I've posted a graphic showing that the two pieces of lead exiting just
forward of the coronal suture could have hit the windshield
glass/crome....if you don't remember that graphic, tough...same goes if
you disagree with what it shows.
>You know that.
Don't tell me what I know and don't know.
>That is why you don't really believe your line is the
>bullet path.
>
>>> You don't show
>>> your bullet breaking into several pieces at the back of the head.
>>> No divergent path.
>>
>> And pay attention this time....suggest you keep your fingers off your
>> keyboard if you're "trying" to read.
>>
>> The bullet certainly fractured and deformed as it made contact with the
>> rear skull, but it takes time (in microseconds) for the pieces to
>> separate....and by the time they did the bullet would have traveled very
>> roughly two-three inches from the rear skull. That's where the bullet
>> actually fragmented with a lot of metallic debris also resulting from that
>> fragmentation.
>>
>
>How many microseconds? Ever see where a bullet broke up in ballistics
>gel? Within a few inches.
Hae you ever seen on super high speed film where a bullet that entered a
man's skull near the EOP fragmented?
I haven't either.
>> Thomas Pinkston, who is an expert in math, calculated that roughly
>> two-three inch distance for me.
>>
>
>Based on what false assumptions?
I won't dignify that comment with any response.
John Canal
>> John Canal
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> Please note that it is readily apparent from the damage that brain tissue
>>>> exploded from where those major pieces exited the right frontal lobe (see
>>>> my red lines).
>>>>
>>>> Robert, since you're such an adept image analyzer do me a favor and draw
>>>> the bullet path on the brain drawing that you think the bullet that caused
>>>> "your protrusion" took....and then repost the image with your "protrusion
>>>> causing bullet path".
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
sepration of the pieces of a bullet takes time.
Since then, for years I've been saying the bllet fragmented after it
traveled very very roughly two-three inches into his head.
>And your line does not send
>the two fragments (what happened to the others from that bullet?) into
>the windshield and chrome topping.
forward of the coronal suture could have hit the windshield
glass/crome....if you don't remember that graphic, tough...same goes if
you disagree with what it shows.
>You know that.
Don't tell me what I know and don't know.
>That is why you don't really believe your line is the
>bullet path.
>
>>> You don't show
>>> your bullet breaking into several pieces at the back of the head.
>>> No divergent path.
>>
>> And pay attention this time....suggest you keep your fingers off your
>> keyboard if you're "trying" to read.
>>
>> The bullet certainly fractured and deformed as it made contact with the
>> rear skull, but it takes time (in microseconds) for the pieces to
>> separate....and by the time they did the bullet would have traveled very
>> roughly two-three inches from the rear skull. That's where the bullet
>> actually fragmented with a lot of metallic debris also resulting from that
>> fragmentation.
>>
>
>How many microseconds? Ever see where a bullet broke up in ballistics
>gel? Within a few inches.
man's skull near the EOP fragmented?
I haven't either.
>> Thomas Pinkston, who is an expert in math, calculated that roughly
>> two-three inch distance for me.
>>
>
>Based on what false assumptions?
John Canal
>> John Canal
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> Please note that it is readily apparent from the damage that brain tissue
>>>> exploded from where those major pieces exited the right frontal lobe (see
>>>> my red lines).
>>>>
>>>> Robert, since you're such an adept image analyzer do me a favor and draw
>>>> the bullet path on the brain drawing that you think the bullet that caused
>>>> "your protrusion" took....and then repost the image with your "protrusion
>>>> causing bullet path".
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
John Canal
Oct 20, 2012, 11:00:04 PM10/20/12
to
In article <50835946$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
the the largest skull piece, for your information, that was blown out of
his head was frontal bone....and along with that skull piece went a great
deal of brain tissue.
>>> Also, I don't know how we can do anything meaningful without a 3D model
>>> to work with.
>>
>> Oh, so you can't do a 2D drawing (from above the brain) showing where your
>> bullet entered, the path it took through the brain, and where it exited in
>> relation to at least the different hemispheres of the brain?
>>
>
>You tried and you failed.
That's your opinion.
>> If a bullet caused your protrusion it sure looks to me like the rear left
>> hemisphere would have been damaged...but it was not harmed...please
>> explain.
>>
>
>So you think when skull bones are fractured they damage the brain
>directly underneath?
I think that when someone claims a bullet caused a protrusion that is
where harris puts it that the brainn inside the skull in that area would
be damaged.
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
>
>On 10/20/2012 9:09 PM, John Canal wrote:
>> In article <UdCdnfx0ZKUVvR_N...@earthlink.com>, Robert Harris
>> says...
>>>
>>>
>>> First of all, your illustration does not show us where the explosion
>>> took place, which was probably about halfway between the rear of the
>>> head and the front. As Boswell pointed out, roughly half of the brain in
>>> the upper-right hemisphere was blown out.
>>
>> You're an expert at image analysis (e.g. ducking, prtrusions, etc.) so you
>> must see where most of the brain matter exploded out....anyone can
>> see--unless you don't want to-- that most of the brain matter exploded out
>> the right front of the brain....which is as Boswell said, the
>> "upper-right" hemisphere.
>>
>
>Maybe you've never seen the Zapruder film so you never saw the jets of
>debris going UP out of the massive hole in the TOP of the head. There
>was no hole in the front of the head from which debris could exit.
Did I say that no brain matter exploded out the top of his head? No, but
>On 10/20/2012 9:09 PM, John Canal wrote:
>> In article <UdCdnfx0ZKUVvR_N...@earthlink.com>, Robert Harris
>> says...
>>>
>>>
>>> First of all, your illustration does not show us where the explosion
>>> took place, which was probably about halfway between the rear of the
>>> head and the front. As Boswell pointed out, roughly half of the brain in
>>> the upper-right hemisphere was blown out.
>>
>> You're an expert at image analysis (e.g. ducking, prtrusions, etc.) so you
>> must see where most of the brain matter exploded out....anyone can
>> see--unless you don't want to-- that most of the brain matter exploded out
>> the right front of the brain....which is as Boswell said, the
>> "upper-right" hemisphere.
>>
>
>Maybe you've never seen the Zapruder film so you never saw the jets of
>debris going UP out of the massive hole in the TOP of the head. There
>was no hole in the front of the head from which debris could exit.
the the largest skull piece, for your information, that was blown out of
his head was frontal bone....and along with that skull piece went a great
deal of brain tissue.
>>> Also, I don't know how we can do anything meaningful without a 3D model
>>> to work with.
>>
>> Oh, so you can't do a 2D drawing (from above the brain) showing where your
>> bullet entered, the path it took through the brain, and where it exited in
>> relation to at least the different hemispheres of the brain?
>>
>
>You tried and you failed.
>> If a bullet caused your protrusion it sure looks to me like the rear left
>> hemisphere would have been damaged...but it was not harmed...please
>> explain.
>>
>
>So you think when skull bones are fractured they damage the brain
>directly underneath?
where harris puts it that the brainn inside the skull in that area would
be damaged.
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
Anthony Marsh
Oct 21, 2012, 7:09:58 PM10/21/12
to
On 10/20/2012 11:00 PM, John Canal wrote:
> In article <50835946$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
>>
>> On 10/20/2012 9:09 PM, John Canal wrote:
>>> In article <UdCdnfx0ZKUVvR_N...@earthlink.com>, Robert Harris
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> First of all, your illustration does not show us where the explosion
>>>> took place, which was probably about halfway between the rear of the
>>>> head and the front. As Boswell pointed out, roughly half of the brain in
>>>> the upper-right hemisphere was blown out.
>>>
>>> You're an expert at image analysis (e.g. ducking, prtrusions, etc.) so you
>>> must see where most of the brain matter exploded out....anyone can
>>> see--unless you don't want to-- that most of the brain matter exploded out
>>> the right front of the brain....which is as Boswell said, the
>>> "upper-right" hemisphere.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe you've never seen the Zapruder film so you never saw the jets of
>> debris going UP out of the massive hole in the TOP of the head. There
>> was no hole in the front of the head from which debris could exit.
>
> Did I say that no brain matter exploded out the top of his head? No, but
> the the largest skull piece, for your information, that was blown out of
> his head was frontal bone....and along with that skull piece went a great
> deal of brain tissue.
>
You stated falsely that the brain matter exploded out of the front of
> In article <50835946$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
>>
>> On 10/20/2012 9:09 PM, John Canal wrote:
>>> In article <UdCdnfx0ZKUVvR_N...@earthlink.com>, Robert Harris
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> First of all, your illustration does not show us where the explosion
>>>> took place, which was probably about halfway between the rear of the
>>>> head and the front. As Boswell pointed out, roughly half of the brain in
>>>> the upper-right hemisphere was blown out.
>>>
>>> You're an expert at image analysis (e.g. ducking, prtrusions, etc.) so you
>>> must see where most of the brain matter exploded out....anyone can
>>> see--unless you don't want to-- that most of the brain matter exploded out
>>> the right front of the brain....which is as Boswell said, the
>>> "upper-right" hemisphere.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe you've never seen the Zapruder film so you never saw the jets of
>> debris going UP out of the massive hole in the TOP of the head. There
>> was no hole in the front of the head from which debris could exit.
>
> Did I say that no brain matter exploded out the top of his head? No, but
> the the largest skull piece, for your information, that was blown out of
> his head was frontal bone....and along with that skull piece went a great
> deal of brain tissue.
>
the head. But there is no hole there for it to escape.
Anthony Marsh
Oct 21, 2012, 7:10:14 PM10/21/12
to
>> And your line does not send
>> the two fragments (what happened to the others from that bullet?) into
>> the windshield and chrome topping.
>
> I've posted a graphic showing that the two pieces of lead exiting just
> forward of the coronal suture could have hit the windshield
> glass/crome....if you don't remember that graphic, tough...same goes if
> you disagree with what it shows.
>
John Canal
Oct 21, 2012, 9:55:27 PM10/21/12
to
I wrote:
>> Did I say that no brain matter exploded out the top of his head? No, but
>> the the largest skull piece, for your information, that was blown out of
>> his head was frontal bone....and along with that skull piece went a great
>> deal of brain tissue.
Marsh babbles:
>> Did I say that no brain matter exploded out the top of his head? No, but
>> the the largest skull piece, for your information, that was blown out of
>> his head was frontal bone....and along with that skull piece went a great
>> deal of brain tissue.
>You stated falsely that the brain matter exploded out of the front of
>the head. But there is no hole there for it to escape.
this newsgroup.
The first wacky statement you make ends the discussion....and naturally it
didn't take you very long to make one.
The largest of the three late arriving skull pieces was frontal bone....it
exploded out of his head as a resut of the 312 shot. Translation, and I'll
go slow for you, when that piece blew out it left a quite large opening in
the front (forward of the coronal suture) of his head.........and through
that opening in THE TOP/FRONT/RIGHT of his head is where much of the brain
matter also exploded out.
If you can't keep up, take notes.
Bye.
John Canal
P.S. and someone like you, who knows so little about the medical evidence,
shouldn't tell me I'm making false statements about that aspect of the
case.
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
Anthony Marsh
Oct 22, 2012, 4:54:33 PM10/22/12
to
On 10/21/2012 9:55 PM, John Canal wrote:
> I wrote:
>
>>> Did I say that no brain matter exploded out the top of his head? No, but
>>> the the largest skull piece, for your information, that was blown out of
>>> his head was frontal bone....and along with that skull piece went a great
>>> deal of brain tissue.
>
> Marsh babbles:
>
>> You stated falsely that the brain matter exploded out of the front of
>> the head. But there is no hole there for it to escape.
>
> Okay, a new policy will be started now when it comes to me engaging you on
> this newsgroup.
>
We don't even know to whom you are responding since you refuse to follow
> I wrote:
>
>>> Did I say that no brain matter exploded out the top of his head? No, but
>>> the the largest skull piece, for your information, that was blown out of
>>> his head was frontal bone....and along with that skull piece went a great
>>> deal of brain tissue.
>
> Marsh babbles:
>
>> You stated falsely that the brain matter exploded out of the front of
>> the head. But there is no hole there for it to escape.
>
> Okay, a new policy will be started now when it comes to me engaging you on
> this newsgroup.
>
USENET rules and quote properly.
> The first wacky statement you make ends the discussion....and naturally it
> didn't take you very long to make one.
>
already. If you are not brave enough to answer my questions then don't
even read my messages. We don't need you.
> The largest of the three late arriving skull pieces was frontal bone....it
> exploded out of his head as a resut of the 312 shot. Translation, and I'll
> go slow for you, when that piece blew out it left a quite large opening in
> the front (forward of the coronal suture) of his head.........and through
> that opening in THE TOP/FRONT/RIGHT of his head is where much of the brain
> matter also exploded out.
>
> If you can't keep up, take notes.
>
> Bye.
>
> John Canal
>
> P.S. and someone like you, who knows so little about the medical evidence,
> shouldn't tell me I'm making false statements about that aspect of the
> case.
>
>
John Canal
Oct 22, 2012, 8:16:46 PM10/22/12
to
In article <5084daff$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
>> The first wacky statement you make ends the discussion....and naturally it
>> didn't take you very long to make one.
>>
>
>Please put me back on your killfile list. This it the tenth request
>already.
No, I tried that before, but found out I missed your postings....I mean
when I was having a bad day, the wackiness of your posts humored me and
cheered me up some.
>If you are not brave enough to answer my questions then don't
>even read my messages.
It's not a question of whether I'm brave or not...it's whether I want to
waste my time answering wacky questions.
For example, why would I want to carry on an exchange with someone who
evidently thought I was trying to say brain, matter exploded out of the
front of JFK's head...did you think I meant out his eyes or nose?
>We don't need you.
Most here, especially you are totally lost re. the medical evidence....I
use this group to gage what needs to be published to enlighten you all.
>> The largest of the three late arriving skull pieces was frontal bone....it
>> exploded out of his head as a resut of the 312 shot. Translation, and I'll
>> go slow for you, when that piece blew out it left a quite large opening in
>> the front (forward of the coronal suture) of his head.........and through
>> that opening in THE TOP/FRONT/RIGHT of his head is where much of the brain
>> matter also exploded out.
>>
>> If you can't keep up, take notes.
>>
>> Bye.
>>
John Canal
>> P.S. and someone like you, who knows so little about the medical evidence,
>> shouldn't tell me I'm making false statements about that aspect of the
>> case.
>>
>>
>
>
>Another one of your patented Argument by Authority attacks.
>
>
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
>
>On 10/21/2012 9:55 PM, John Canal wrote:
>> I wrote:
>>
>>>> Did I say that no brain matter exploded out the top of his head? No, but
>>>> the the largest skull piece, for your information, that was blown out of
>>>> his head was frontal bone....and along with that skull piece went a great
>>>> deal of brain tissue.
>>
>> Marsh babbles:
>>
>>> You stated falsely that the brain matter exploded out of the front of
>>> the head. But there is no hole there for it to escape.
>>
>> Okay, a new policy will be started now when it comes to me engaging you on
>> this newsgroup.
>>
>
>We don't even know to whom you are responding since you refuse to follow
>USENET rules and quote properly.
Hmmm, but you seemed to have figured it out, no?
>On 10/21/2012 9:55 PM, John Canal wrote:
>> I wrote:
>>
>>>> Did I say that no brain matter exploded out the top of his head? No, but
>>>> the the largest skull piece, for your information, that was blown out of
>>>> his head was frontal bone....and along with that skull piece went a great
>>>> deal of brain tissue.
>>
>> Marsh babbles:
>>
>>> You stated falsely that the brain matter exploded out of the front of
>>> the head. But there is no hole there for it to escape.
>>
>> Okay, a new policy will be started now when it comes to me engaging you on
>> this newsgroup.
>>
>
>We don't even know to whom you are responding since you refuse to follow
>USENET rules and quote properly.
>> The first wacky statement you make ends the discussion....and naturally it
>> didn't take you very long to make one.
>>
>
>Please put me back on your killfile list. This it the tenth request
>already.
when I was having a bad day, the wackiness of your posts humored me and
cheered me up some.
>If you are not brave enough to answer my questions then don't
>even read my messages.
waste my time answering wacky questions.
For example, why would I want to carry on an exchange with someone who
evidently thought I was trying to say brain, matter exploded out of the
front of JFK's head...did you think I meant out his eyes or nose?
>We don't need you.
use this group to gage what needs to be published to enlighten you all.
>> The largest of the three late arriving skull pieces was frontal bone....it
>> exploded out of his head as a resut of the 312 shot. Translation, and I'll
>> go slow for you, when that piece blew out it left a quite large opening in
>> the front (forward of the coronal suture) of his head.........and through
>> that opening in THE TOP/FRONT/RIGHT of his head is where much of the brain
>> matter also exploded out.
>>
>> If you can't keep up, take notes.
>>
>> Bye.
>>
John Canal
>> P.S. and someone like you, who knows so little about the medical evidence,
>> shouldn't tell me I'm making false statements about that aspect of the
>> case.
>>
>>
>
>
>Another one of your patented Argument by Authority attacks.
>
>
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
Anthony Marsh
Oct 22, 2012, 8:42:44 PM10/22/12
to
On 10/22/2012 8:16 PM, John Canal wrote:
> In article <5084daff$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
>>
>> On 10/21/2012 9:55 PM, John Canal wrote:
>>> I wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Did I say that no brain matter exploded out the top of his head? No, but
>>>>> the the largest skull piece, for your information, that was blown out of
>>>>> his head was frontal bone....and along with that skull piece went a great
>>>>> deal of brain tissue.
>>>
>>> Marsh babbles:
>>>
>>>> You stated falsely that the brain matter exploded out of the front of
>>>> the head. But there is no hole there for it to escape.
>>>
>>> Okay, a new policy will be started now when it comes to me engaging you on
>>> this newsgroup.
>>>
>>
>> We don't even know to whom you are responding since you refuse to follow
>> USENET rules and quote properly.
>
> Hmmm, but you seemed to have figured it out, no?
>
I'm just lucky that I have a program which does it correctly
> In article <5084daff$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
>>
>> On 10/21/2012 9:55 PM, John Canal wrote:
>>> I wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Did I say that no brain matter exploded out the top of his head? No, but
>>>>> the the largest skull piece, for your information, that was blown out of
>>>>> his head was frontal bone....and along with that skull piece went a great
>>>>> deal of brain tissue.
>>>
>>> Marsh babbles:
>>>
>>>> You stated falsely that the brain matter exploded out of the front of
>>>> the head. But there is no hole there for it to escape.
>>>
>>> Okay, a new policy will be started now when it comes to me engaging you on
>>> this newsgroup.
>>>
>>
>> We don't even know to whom you are responding since you refuse to follow
>> USENET rules and quote properly.
>
> Hmmm, but you seemed to have figured it out, no?
>
automatically.
>>> The first wacky statement you make ends the discussion....and naturally it
>>> didn't take you very long to make one.
>>>
>>
>> Please put me back on your killfile list. This it the tenth request
>> already.
>
> No, I tried that before, but found out I missed your postings....I mean
> when I was having a bad day, the wackiness of your posts humored me and
> cheered me up some.
>
customization.
>> If you are not brave enough to answer my questions then don't
>> even read my messages.
>
> It's not a question of whether I'm brave or not...it's whether I want to
> waste my time answering wacky questions.
>
their time asking you any questions, it may be your only chance to answer
questions and show off.
> For example, why would I want to carry on an exchange with someone who
> evidently thought I was trying to say brain, matter exploded out of the
> front of JFK's head...did you think I meant out his eyes or nose?
>
person would just archives your silly message and replay it as proof that
you don't know where the hole was on the top of JFK's head.
>> We don't need you.
>
> Most here, especially you are totally lost re. the medical evidence....I
> use this group to gage what needs to be published to enlighten you all.
>
forget that I have talked to most of the top researchers studying the
medical evidence and I can see through your tricks.
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