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DRobe...@aol.com

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Jan 8, 2003, 1:12:07 PM1/8/03
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LEST WE FORGET
Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice test. (The events are actual cuts from past history. They actually happened! Do you remember?)

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
a. Olga Korbitt
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwartzeneger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

3. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

STILL BATTING 1000 ?

6. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kid
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted to a crash by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonny and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Nope, .........I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?
So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning former Governors.

Let's send this to as many people as we can so that the Gloria Allreds (LA attorney) and other dunder- headed attorneys along with Federal Justices that want to thwart common sense feel doubly ashamed of themselves. As the writer of the award-winning story Forest Gump so aptly put it, "Stupid is as stupid does!"

SO - JUST HOW STUPID ARE WE?

Mecornett

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Jan 8, 2003, 4:20:22 PM1/8/03
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The answer is, yes we are stupid in some ways. Does anyone think that any
country other than America would be worrying about racial profiling after an
event like Sept. 11th? Can you picture Saudi Arabia saying to themselves, after
11 white guys slammed planes into buildings in their country, "Wait! The last
thing we want to do is offend Caucasians!" Yeah right!
Mark

Kenneth A. Rahn

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Jan 8, 2003, 4:21:40 PM1/8/03
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Don,

And the connection to the JFK assassination is.....?

Ken Rahn

Stephen M. Birmingham

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Jan 8, 2003, 5:37:05 PM1/8/03
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Misguided Muslim extremists, mostly between the ages of 17 and 40,
have resorted to terrorism because:

A. They had nothing else to do.
B. The West -- chiefly the British Empire and the United States of
America -- has repeatedly raped their homeland.

Gosh, it's a hard one.

John McAdams

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Jan 8, 2003, 7:15:13 PM1/8/03
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On 8 Jan 2003 17:37:05 -0500, "Stephen M. Birmingham"
<s.birm...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Yea, American women think they can walk around in the streets without
covering their heads.

.John

--
The Kennedy Assassination Home Page
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

Stephen M. Birmingham

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Jan 8, 2003, 11:53:39 PM1/8/03
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"John McAdams" <john.m...@marquette.edu> wrote in message:

> Yea, American women think they can walk around in the streets without
> covering their heads.

I'm not sure I follow you. Would you kindly elaborate?

WinBear

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Jan 9, 2003, 12:40:25 AM1/9/03
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Not really. It's not like we've ever done anything to *any* of them
without extreme provocation. There has never been an actual, free,
independant nation called "Palestine", so that can't be it either. All we
have done is make their irrational anti-Semitism inconvenient.

Tim Howells

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Jan 9, 2003, 10:54:20 AM1/9/03
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Hi Don, Regarding racial profiling, I tend to agree that
law enforcement officials should be able to use all information
available to identify people who are the greatest risks in
terms of committing terrible crimes. On the other hand I
certainly would not want to see this reach the point where
people were being rounded up and imprisoned solely on the
basis of race or religion. I'm sure you don't want that
either.

I think that September 11 is being used as a pretext
for a number of preset rightwing agendas. You may recall
that during Iran-Contra Oliver North was working on
a scheme to declare a state of National Emergency and then,
using the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to
identify "political dissidents" and round them up in
concentration camps. Before September 11 I thought this
was pretty much a joke and just showed how out of touch
the right-wing extremists were. Now the joke's on me.
We have the "Patriot Act" signed, sealed and delivered,
and "Total Information Awareness" is just around the corner.

September 11 is being used as a pretext to destroy the
American constitution and way of life, replacing our
constitutional democracy with authoritarian tyranny.
You are probably not aware of the evidence that elements
of the Bush administration were actively complicit in
the events of September 11. I'll append a repost that
provides an overview of this evidence.

Tim Howells

=========================================

SEPTEMBER 11, ISLAMIC JIHAD OR ANOTHER NORTHWOODS?

INTRODUCTION

In 1962, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, our highest and most responsible
military officers, proposed to commit acts of terrorism aimed
against U.S. citizens, designed to look as though they had been
the work of operatives of Fidel Castro. The object was to provide a
pretext for an invasion of Cuba. Among many imaginative proposals,
the Chiefs suggested:

"We could develop a communist cuban terror campaign in
the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in
Washington."

And further ...

"We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba ...
casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of
national indignation."

[ http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf ]

Although these plans were never carried out (they were rejected
by President Kennedy), similar proposals WERE actually implemented
1970's and 1980's in Europe by the CIA, resulting in the deaths of
hundreds of innocent civilians. In one bombing of a busy train
station in Bologna Italy in 1980, 86 people were killed and over
200 wounded. The bombings were designed to look like the work of
communist extremists although they were in fact committed by right
wing extremists working under the direction of the CIA. The aim
of these operations was to whip up anticommunist sentiment among
our european allies.

[Arthur E. Rowse: Gladio: The secret U.S. War to subvert Italian
Democracy. Covert Action Quarterly No. 49, Summer 1994.
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/gladio.html ]

Was September 11 a similar operation, mounted by elements of our own
government in order to whip up public support for an all out war
against the Arab states in the Middle East? The evidence strongly
suggests that this is the case.

My aim here is to provide a brief introduction to some of this
evidence with pointers for further reading.

[ Note: Throughout this post is deeply indebted to the timeline
compiled by the Cooperative Research Group (CGI). See:
http://cooperativeresearch.org/completetimeline/ ]

*******************************************************


OUTLINE:

I. The hijackers were not fanatical Islamic fundamentalists
(far from it).
A) They smoked and drank and partied hard.
B) Several of the hijackers had training at secure
military facilities in the United States
C) The hijackers operated quite openly, as if they
had powerful protectors in the U.S.

II. The hijackers were not capable of the feats of piloting
that are attributed to them.

III. The hijackers lead back to Pakistan's ISI, and through
the ISI, back to the CIA and the Bush administration.
A) Funding for the hijackers came from ISI Director
General Ahmad
B) On September 11 Ahmad was in Washington meeting
with key administration officials.
C) On September 12 the administration announced
Ahmad's agreement to collaborate in their
"War on Terrorism".
D) The ISI is not a tool of bin Laden - it's the
very much the other way around.

IV. FBI investigations that could have prevented September 11
were deliberately sabotaged by FBI Headquarters.
A) At least two FBI investigations were deliberately
stopped that could have prevented September 11.
B) The hijackers must have KNOWN that the FBI would
not investigate - they operated quite openly,
and even seemed to deliberately draw attention
to themselves as potential terrorists.

V. The anthrax attacks
A) No potential terrorists had access to the advanced,
"weaponized" form of anthrax used.
B) All suspects lead back to US or Israeli intelligence.
C) The crude misspellings and appeals to Allah and Islam
in the letters appear to be a hoax to blame this on
Arab terrorists.

VI. The ultra-rightwing agenda already in place for a war against
the Arab states.

VII. Conclusion - It appears that the September 11 attacks were
covertly instigated and supported by elements of our own
government to support an ultra-rightwing political and
military agenda.

VIII. Epilog - How could this happen? Some historical context.

*******************************************************


I. THE HIJACKERS WERE NOT FANATICAL ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS
(FAR FROM IT).

The keystone of the "official story" on the events of September 11
is that the hijackers were fanatical Islamic fundamentalists,
opposed to all products of Western culture. They are presented to
us as pure warriors of Allah, prepared not only to kill, but to
die for their religion. Their supposed austere and ascetic
approach to life and death is presented us in the will and
testament of their leader, Mohammed Atta. We find here a long
list of severe admonitions including:

...
9. The person who will wash my body near my genitals must wear
gloves on his hands so he won't touch my genitals.
10. I want the clothes I wear to consist of three white pieces of
cloth, not to be made of silk or expensive material.
11. I don't want any women to go to my grave at all during my
funeral or on any occasion thereafter.
... [ etc. etc. etc. ]

[ http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/WTC_atta_will.html ]

It could hardly be otherwise; who other than a totally dedicated
religious fanatic would be capable of deliberately incinerating
himself in such a horrific manner together with several of his
closest comrades and thousands of innocent victims?

It was soon discovered that this image was completely false. In
fact the hijackers were thoroughly americanized and enjoyed quite
wild, hedonistic lifestyles. Many of the them, including the
leader and "suicide pilot" Mohammed Atta, were frequently seen out
bar hopping, smoking and getting drunk. They sometimes engaged
lap-dancers and prostitutes. See for example:

http://www.nctimes.net/news/2001/20010912/10103.html
http://www2.bostonherald.com/attack/investigation/ausprob10102001.htm

In Boston the night before the hijackings the WTC hijackers
tried to engage some prostitutes, but then backed out because
they decided it was too expensive:

http://web.archive.org/web/20011011012426/http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/283/metro/Hijackers_said_to_seek_prostitutes-.shtml

These are not the actions of Islamic fanatics on their way to
die for Allah! It certainly appears that the hijackers did not
know that this was a suicide mission, and were not genuine
Islamic fundamentalists.

15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis, mostly from wealthy families.
In fact, most of the hijackers are typical of the wealthy, high-
rolling, hedonistic Saudis who turn up over and over again in covert
operations sponsored by the administrations of Ronald Reagan and
George Bush Sr. and Jr. These scandals include Iran-Contra, the
Savings and Loan Scandal (by far the most massive financial rip-off
in history), the massive money-laundering that led to the collapse
of BCCI, a Pakistani bank with strong ties to the CIA, and, more
recently, the Enron scandal. The connection to U.S. intelligence
is more than speculative; several of the hijackers had training at
secure military installations in the U.S. The locations where the
hijackers received training include:

* The Pensacola Naval Station
* Lackland Air Force Base
* Air War College in Montgomery, Alabama
* Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama
* The Defense Language Institute in Monterey

http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq36.html
[ This is a long file. A string search on "military sources" will
take you to the right paragraph ]

Their drinking and partying is certainly more typical of youthful
westernized military recruits than devoted fundamentalist Moslems.
It is sometimes claimed that the hijackers were just pretending to
be westernized in order to "blend in" and escape detection. This
makes no sense at all. Even if they had been seen to be devout
Muslims, that would hardly make them terrorists. And they made
no attempt at all to hide their really suspicious activities, for
example shopping around for crop dusting equipment!

In one incident Mohammed Atta applied for a loan from the Department
of Agriculture to purchase a crop duster.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/ross_bryant020606.html

In the first place, it's odd that Atta bothered with a loan at all,
since it's clear that the amount of the loan was pocket change to
whoever was funding him. Atta used his real name, and made sure the
interviewer spelled it correctly. During the interview, Atta praised
bin Laden as "the world's greatest leader", discussed the possibility
of blowing up U.S. landmarks, including the World Trade Center, and
generally behaved like a raving lunatic. Nice blending in!

In another incident Atta spoke with James Lester of South Florida
Crop Care in Belle Glade, Florida regarding the purchase of crop
dusting equipment. Again, Atta made sure that he would be
remembered: "I recognized him [after September 11] because he
stayed on my feet all the time. I just about had to push him away
from me." [AP, 9/15/01]

Far from trying to blend in, Atta operated quite openly and even
seems to have deliberately tried to draw attention to himself as
a potential terrorist. He acted as though he wanted to build a
"legend" as a terrorist, and as though he had guaranteed protection
from high inside the U.S. government. Evidence that this was in
fact the case will be discussed later.


II. THE HIJACKERS WERE NOT CAPABLE OF THE FEATS OF PILOTING
THAT ARE ATTRIBUTED TO THEM.

According to a group of highly qualified professional pilots who got
together to study this matter, the flying feats attributed to the
hijackers are not believable. The pilots concluded that "Those birds
either had a crack fighter pilot in the left seat, or they were being
maneuvered by remote control."

http://the-news.net/cgi-bin/story.pl?title=September%2011%20-%20US%20Government%20accused&edition=all

Regarding the possibility of flying commercial aircraft by remote
control, the expert pilots have this to say:

In evidence given to the enquiry, Captain Kent Hill
(retd.) of the US Air Force, and friend of Chic
Burlingame, the pilot of the plane that crashed into
the Pentagon, stated that the US had on several
occasions flown an unmanned aircraft, similar in size
to a Boeing 737, across the Pacific from Edwards Air
Force base in California to South Australia. According
to Hill it had flown on a pre programmed flight path
under the control of a pilot in an outside station.
Hill also quoted Bob Ayling, former British Airways
boss, in an interview given to the London Economist on
September 20th, 2001. Ayling admitted that it was now
possible to control an aircraft in flight from either
the ground or in the air. This was confirmed by expert
witnesses at the inquiry who testified that airliners
could be controlled by electro-magnetic pulse or radio
frequency instrumentation from command and control
platforms based either in the air or at ground level.

The credentials of the pilots involved in this study are
impressive. In addition to Captain Hill there is an Air Force
Colonel, and a third Air Force officer who flew over 100 sorties
during the Vietnam war. The group also includes professional
civilian aircraft pilots. The reporter verified their conclusions
with an independent expert:

THE NEWS, in an attempt to further substantiate the
potential veracity of these findings, spoke to an
Algarve-based airline pilot, who has more than 20
years of experience in flying passenger planes, to
seek his views. Captain Colin McHattie, currently
flying with Cathay Pacific, agreed with the
independent commission's findings. However, he
explained that while it is possible to fly a plane
from the ground, the installation of the necessary
equipment is a time-consuming process, and needs
extensive planning.

The remote control theory neatly explains two conundrums that
seem otherwise inexplicable.

* Given that the hijackers were certainly NOT fanatical
Islamic fundamentalists, why would they accept a suicide
mission, especially such a horrific one?

* How could "pilots" with some cursory training on light
aircraft possibly display the deadly efficiency using
large commercial aircraft as guided missiles that was
displayed on September 11?


III. THE HIJACKERS LEAD BACK TO PAKISTAN'S ISI, AND THROUGH
THE ISI, BACK TO THE US INTELLIGENCE ESTABLISHMENT.

There is no doubt about who the immediate sponsor of the 9/11
hijackers was. In at least one case they received their funding
directly from the top man in the ISI, Pakistan's intelligence
agency. The ISI has long been a heavily funded CIA client and
one of our staunchest allies, first in the prolonged guerilla war
against the Soviets in Afghanistan, and now in the so called "War
on Terrorism". And yet we know now that in the summer of 2000 ISI
Director General Mahmud Ahmad ordered his aide Saeed Sheikh to
transfer $100,000 to the leader of the hijackers, Mohammed Atta,
and that this was done via two banks in Florida.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/articleshow?xml=0&art_id=1454238160
http://www.dawn.com/2001/10/09/top13.htm
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=95001298

On the day of September 11 Director General Ahmad, Mohammed Atta's
paymaster, was in Washington meeting with the chairmen of the House
and Senate Intelligence Committees.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/04/politics/04INQU.html?todaysheadlines

Conveniently this allowed him to confer directly with Deputy
Secretary of State Richard Armitage the following day, and
soon Secretary of State Colin Powell was announcing Pakistan's
cooperation in our campaign to bring the perpetrators of the
attacks to justice.

http://cooperativeresearch.org/completetimeline/2001/nyt091301.html

The fact that one of our foremost allies in the "War on Terrorism"
was in reality the paymaster of the 9/11 terrorists was uncovered
by Indian intelligence and confirmed by the FBI in early October,
just a few weeks after the attacks.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/comp/articleshow?xml=0&art_id=1454238160

At this point Ahmad quietly retired, and disappeared from the
limelight. WHY HAS THE PAYMASTER OF THE 9/11 HIJACKERS BEEN ALLOWED
TO SLIP AWAY LIKE THIS? Where is the swift and terrible retribution
promised us on so many occasions by our President? Why was Ahmad
not immediately taken into custody and brought to the United States
for intensive questioning to uncover further links in the chain?
The answer is obvious and unavoidable to anyone reading this with an
open mind. THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT *WANT* TO UNCOVER WHERE
THIS MOST SIGNIFICANT LINK IN THE COMMAND CHAIN BEHIND THE EVENTS OF
SEPTEMBER 11 LEADS.

Since the administrations of Reagan and George Bush Sr. the ISI
has been a major CIA client and has acted on our behalf first to
organize and command the Afghan resistance forces in the war with
the Soviets, and later to set up the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.
Osama bin Laden himself was recruited by the ISI, because they
wanted someone who represented the Saudi elite as part of their
Afghan effort for public relations purposes. The ISI initially
tried to find a member of the Saudi royal family, but they were
happy to settle for a member of the bin Laden family, one of the
richest in Saudi Arabia:

http://web.archive.org/web/20011109163238/www.miami.com/herald/special/news/worldtrade/digdocs/106271.htm

The total control that the ISI and the CIA exercised over bin Laden
and their other surrogates in the Afghan conflict is witnessed,
among many other things by the planning of the attack on Jalalabad,
the most significant offensive for the guerillas in the entire war:

Typical of the war's overall conduct, the attack [on
Jalalabad in March 1989] was planned at a meeting in
Islamabad [Pakistan] attended by U.S. Ambassador Robert
Oakley, senior Pakistani officials, and not a single
Afghan.

["The Politics of Heroin, CIA Complicity in the Global
Drug Trade", Alfred W. McCoy, Lawrence Hill Books, NY
1991, pg 452]

The pattern then is clear and has been well established for
decades. The U.S. acting through the CIA sets the agenda and
provides the money. The ISI acts as our agent in this part of the
world, selecting local proxies and orchestrating the activities of
the guerilla warlords. The guerilla leaders themselves, including
Osama bin Laden, are simply pawns in the game. George Bush Sr.
as Vice President personally traveled to Pakistan in 1984 to cement
these relations ["The Outlaw Bank", Beaty & Gwynne, Random House,
NY, 1993. pg. 317].

Bin Laden's dependence on the ISI is just as strong now as it ever
was. According to Jane's Intelligence Digest in an article
written shortly after the September 11 attacks, "both the Taliban
and Al-Qa'eda would have found it difficult to have continued
functioning - including the latter group's terrorist activities -
without substantial aid and support from Islamabad."

http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/jid/jid010920_1_n.shtml

Equally, the ISI's alliance with the CIA is as strong as ever.
Milton Bearden, a former CIA. station chief in Pakistan who has
worked closely with ISI recently defended the alliance, describing
Pakistan as "the only country in South Asia that always did what
we asked."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/01.28G.NYer.Escape.htm

Therefore it is highly implausible that ISI Inspector General Ahmad
was acting as an operative for bin Laden when he funded the
September 11 hijackers; the chain of command works in the opposite
direction. It is also highly implausible that Ahmad would have
chosen on his own initiative to attack the United States, his own
best ally and his primary source of funding and technology.

Anyone who seriously wants to see the perpetrators of September 11
tracked down and brought to justice should urgently petition their
elected representatives to see that former ISI Director General
Ahmad is arrested and brought to the United States for questioning
by an independent investigating body. Clearly the Bush
administration does not want to see this happen, because this, the
most significant lead we have, does not seem to point to bin Laden,
but rather to the Bush administration itself.


IV. FBI INVESTIGATIONS THAT COULD HAVE PREVENTED SEPTEMBER 11
WERE DELIBERATELY SABOTAGED BY FBI HEADQUARTERS.

I pointed out earlier that Atta and the other hijackers operated
quite openly in the United States, as if they enjoyed guaranteed
protection. It appears that this was in fact the case. We now
have several detailed reports of crucial investigations of the
September 11 hijackers, both before and after the fact, being
sabotaged by high ranking government officials. Possibly the
most vivid example of this is the way in which the investigation
of the "twentieth hijacker", Zacarias Moussaoui, was sabotaged by
FBI Headquarters.

In August 2001 Moussaoui enrolled in Pan American's International
Flight School in Minneapolis. He aroused suspicions on his very
first day. He paid a deposit for the course in cash in the amount
of $6,800 (the full price of the course is $19,000). He had a heavy
Middle Eastern accent, and waved off concerns about his lack of
preparation for such a course, saying that he was not interested in
professional certification. However, he showed great interest in
learning how to work the airplane's doors and control panel.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/08/national/08HIJA.html?pagewanted=1
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/18/politics/18SUSP.html

It soon became clear the Moussaoui had lied about his personal
background, and that he had no qualifications at all as a pilot.
The potentially frightening implications of training this particular
student were not lost on Pan Am's flying instructors, according to
John Rosengren, director of operations at the school. In a faculty
meeting the next day,

"There was discussion about how much fuel was on board
a 747-400 and how much damage that could cause if it hit
anything,"
[ http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/08/national/08HIJA.html?pagewanted=1
]

Soon one of the flight instructors was on the phone to the FBI:

"Do you realize how serious this is?" the instructor
asked an FBI agent. "This man wants training on a 747.
A 747 fully loaded with fuel could be used as a weapon!"
[ http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/913687.html ]

The local FBI agents concurred. They checked out Moussaoui, and
found out that he had overstayed his visa. They persuaded the INS
to take him into custody and keep him there. If not for this good
luck and prompt action Moussaoui would surely have participated
in the attacks of September 11, because from that point on the
investigation met determined opposition from high level FBI
officials who did their best to completely shut it down.

The sickening story is spelled out in a long, agonized letter
written after the events of September 11 by Coleen Rowley, one of
the Field Agents in Minneapolis on the case. The letter was
promptly declared to be classified by the Bureau, but portions
have been leaked to the press:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,249997,00.html

Immediately after Moussaoui's arrest, the field agents in
Minneapolis wanted to apply for a warrant to search his apartment
and the hard drive of his computer. FBI headquarters however,
denied that they had probable cause for such a search. Then within
just a few days the field agents received information from the
French Intelligence Service that "confirmed [Moussaoui's]
affiliations with radical fundamentalist Islamic groups and
activities connected to Osama Bin Laden". At this point the field
agents "became desperate", but incredibly Headquarters continued to
stonewall and deny the existence of probable cause for a search.
Rowley, who has been an FBI division legal advisor for 12 years,
and an FBI agent for 21 years, was at the time and remains today
completely baffled by Headquarters' determination to stop the
investigation. She flatly states that probable cause "was certainly
established".

At that point Rowley tried another route. The FBI can apply for
so called FISA warrants if their aim is to gather intelligence
rather than evidence for a criminal proceeding. The granting of a
FISA warrant is practically guaranteed; the FBI only has to ask for
them. To her amazement, FBI Headquarters "continued to, almost
inexplicably, throw up roadblocks and undermine Minneapolis' by-now
desperate efforts to obtain a FISA search warrant."

By this time the field agents were "in a frenzy ... absolutely
convinced [Moussouai] was planning to do something with a plane."
One agent speculated in a memo that that Moussouai had been
planning with unidentified confederates to "fly something into
the World Trade Center."

http://www.bulatlat.com/news/2-16/2-16-readerNEWSWEEK.html

Then came September 11.

Coleen Rowley agonizes in her letter, searching for an explanation
for the betrayal by FBI Headquarters. Were they simply too busy?
Was it normal bureaucratic inertia? Ultimately, she is unable to
accept these convenient but implausible explanations: "The issues
are fundamentally ones of INTEGRITY [her emphasis]."

An almost identical story is coming out of the Phoenix FBI office
which was similarly thwarted by FBI Headquarters in their attempt
to investigate Hani Hanjour, who is believed to have crashed an
airliner into the Pentagon on September 11.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,238574,00.html
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/FBI_informant020523.html

Some of the field agents involved in these and still other similar
cases have applied for whistleblower status, and are taking legal
action to try to force the Bureau to declassify the relevant
documents and come clean about their role in September 11. These
agents are being represented by David Schippers, former Chief
Investigative Counsel for the U.S. House Judiciary Committee, and
head prosecutor responsible for conducting the impeachment against
former President Bill Clinton.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq36.html
(This is a long file. A string search on "Schippers" will get you
to the right paragraph.)

In the meantime Coleen Rowley notes in her letter that in the
aftermath of September 11 the official most responsible for blocking
her investigation of Moussaoui has received a promotion. That's
not all. The FBI Department responsible for repeatedly blocking
Rowley's desperate attempts to obtain authorization to search
Moussouai's apartment and computer is the National Security Law
Unit (NSLU). Just this month (December 2002) the head of the NSLU,
Marion Bowman, received the most prestigious and generous award the
Bureau could confer on him:

At a quiet little ceremony earlier this month, Marion
(Spike) Bowman was one of nine people in the bureau to
receive an award for "exceptional performance." The
reward carries with it a cash bonus of 20 to 35 percent
of the recipient's salary and a framed certificate
signed by the president.
[ http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3547688.html ]

The President of the United States is showering praise and bonuses
and promotions on those responsible for thwarting the investigations
that could have prevented the horrific events of September 11.

And keep in mind Atta's bizarre behaviour when he applied for a
Department of Agriculture loan to purchase crop-dusting equipment
in May of 2000. Atta used his real name, and he made sure the
interviewer (Johnelle Bryant) spelled it correctly. He told her
that he wanted to buy a crop-duster and to "build a chemical tank
that would fit inside the aircraft and take up every available
square inch of the aircraft except for where the pilot would be
sitting." Atta then fixated on an aerial photo of Washington DC
hanging on the office wall, and wanted to purchase it:

"He pulled out a wad of cash," she said, "and started
throwing money on my desk. He wanted that picture really
bad." Bryant indicated that the picture was not for sale,
and he threw more money down.

"His look on his face became very bitter at that point,"
Bryant remembers. "I believe he said, 'How would America
like it if another country destroyed that city and some
of the monuments in it,' like the cities in his country
had been destroyed?" ...

Atta also talked about life in his country. "He
mentioned al Qaeda, he mentioned Osama bin Laden," ...
He boasted about the role that they would one day play.
"He said this man would someday be known as the world's
greatest leader," she said.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/ross_bryant020606.html

Bryant, perhaps to provide us with some much needed comic relief,
finishes her story by asking, "How could I have known [that this
man was a terrorist]?"

The point is that Atta was operating completely openly, and even
seems to be DELIBERATELY drawing attention to himself as a terrorist
suspect. This makes sense if, as I believe, Atta was laying a false
trail of evidence which he WANTED to be discovered after the attacks
(more on this later). The attacks of September 11 were planned and
carried out with impressive military discipline and efficiency.
Atta is not exposing himself out of stupidity or carelessness. He
must have expected that Bryant would immediately notify the FBI
(although she did not). We now know that this would not have
mattered - that any attempt to investigate would have been killed by
FBI Headquarters. Clearly, at the time, Atta must have known this
as well.


V. THE ANTHRAX ATTACKS.

So ... whoever perpetrated September 11, they obviously have tons
of money and a tight military organization. You would expect that
this would not be an isolated event, but the start of a coordinated
campaign. If this was the work of Islamic fundamentalists, then
where is the Jihad? Where are the Holy Warriors who should have
been positioned and ready to follow up on the opening shot of the
war?

There was a second wave of attacks - the dissemination of anthrax
letters to both random and carefully selected targets. However,
everyone now acknowledges that this was an inside job - that the
weapons grade anthrax used would only be available to a very
limited number of scientists and military/intelligence officers
working in the United States on highly classified projects.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/23/national/23ANTH.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A36408-2001Nov29&notFound=true

For precisely this reason the whole issue has been dropped both by
the U.S. government and the mass media. This had no connection
to Islamic Jihad. The people who have come up as suspects -
Steven Hatfill and Phillip Zack - both lead back to US and/or
Israeli intelligence - not Islamic terrorism. The crude
misspellings in the accompanying letters (eg "anthracks") and the
appeals to Allah and Islam are clearly part of a hoax, trying to
pin this on Arab terrorists. No potential terrorist even had
access to the advanced, "weaponized" form of anthrax that was used.
Anyone who does have such access knows how to spell the word
"anthrax" correctly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A3648-2002Aug10&notFound=true
http://cooperativeresearch.org/completetimeline/2002/hartfordcourant012002.html

With exceptional foresight so notably absent elsewhere in this case,
Vice President Dick Cheney was able to anticipate that anthrax would
become a problem in the Capitol. He and his staff started taking an
anti-anthrax medication (Cipro) on the night of September 11, before
the letters containing anthrax started to arrive.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/terror/news/1024beth.htm
http://cooperativeresearch.org/completetimeline/2002/ap060902.html

As with the inconvenient fact that it was our own ally, Pakistan's
ISI that funded the September 11 hijackers, the facts uncovered in
the anthrax investigation seem to lead in precisely the WRONG
direction, so our government has simply dropped it.


VI. THE ULTRA-RIGHTWING AGENDA ALREADY IN PLACE FOR A WAR AGAINST
THE ARAB STATES.

But why would our government WANT to whip up public support for an
all out war against the Arab states? The answer is readily found
in a series of position papers from the "Project for a New American
Century" (PNAC) that are available on the web. PNAC is an ultra-
righwing and militaristic think tank that developed around the
most extreme hawks in Dick Cheney's Defense Department at the
end of George Bush Sr's administration. To understand why an inner
circle of presidential advisors including Rumsfeld, Cheney,
Wolfowitz and Perle, are pushing for a comprehensive attack on the
Arab States, you should check out their website:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

In particular, click on the link for "Defense and National
Security", and then download "Rebuilding America's Defenses"
(This is the first item listed. You'll need Acrobat Reader).

This paper lays out the plan to dominate the entire globe, starting
with the Middle East and Central Asia. The authors figure that to
support this we will need to beef up the military to the point
where we will be able to support multiple simultaneous major wars
together with occupations and police actions. All of this was in
place years before September 11. This paper was published in
September 2000. It's perfectly clear then that September 11 is
simply being used as a pretext to implement an ultra-rightwing
agenda that was put in place years before.

I want to emphasize that this has absolutely nothing to do with
suppressing terrorism. In fact, this agenda will surely have
exactly the opposite effect. In the lengthy and detailed document
I have referenced you can search for the word "terrorism" and you
will not find it at all. However if you search for the word
"preeminence", as in "american preeminence", "geopolitical
preeminence", "military preeminence" etc., you will find that word
many times.

The plan to use our differences with Saddam Hussein as a pretext
for initiating the campaign for an american global empire is
explicitly stated:

"While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the
immediate justification, the need for a substantial
American force presence in the Gulf transcends the
issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein ... Iran may
well prove as large a threat to U.S. interests in the
Gulf as Iraq has. And even should U.S.-Iranian
relations improve, retaining forward-based forces in
the region would still be an essential element in U.S.
security strategy given the longstanding American
interests in the region."

The fanatical Zionism of some advisors, like Paul Wolfowitz and
Richard Perle is clearly a factor driving this policy. Israel's
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has echoed elements of this planning
paper, for example calling for an invasion of Iran "one day after"
we subjugate Iraq [interview with the Times/UK, 5 Nov. 2002].
Other important players pushing this agenda, such as Rumsfeld and
Cheney, appear to be motivated by a dangerously radical view
towards the uses of US military power now that the US is the single,
unchallenged superpower. In any case, it is safe to say that
September 11 is simply being used as a pretext for an agenda that
has been in place for years now.

The proposed military moves in the Middle East will not suppress
terrorism. On the contrary, many thousands will flock to the cause
of Islamic Jihad if we continue this way. And in the meantime,
outrageously, the real leads we have on the perpetrators of
September 11 are being allowed to dangle uninvestigated. I'm
referring again to former ISI Director General Ahmad, the paymaster
for the hijackers, who has been allowed to slip off into retirement,
and the unpursued anthrax leads which can only point to a very few
cutting edge laboratories right here in the USA.

Why, Why, WHY???


VII. CONCLUSION

The horrific events of September 11 bear all the earmarks of a
covert "pretext" operation designed to support a military agenda
that could never have otherwise been set in motion. Investigations
of both the hijackings and the subsequent anthrax attacks lead not
to Islamic fundamentalists, but seem to point to our own CIA and
their client, the ISI. Consequently our government has simply
terminated these investigations. Similarly, crucial FBI
investigations that could have prevented the attacks were
"inexplicably" sabotaged by FBI Headquarters over the desperate
objections of Field Agents who were fully aware of the terrifying
implications of what they had uncovered. The Field Agents have now
been forced to apply for "whistleblower" status for their own
protection, while the officials who sabotaged the investigations
are being richly rewarded with promotions, bonuses and presidential
awards.

It appears that the purpose of this deliberate mass murder of
thousands of innocent American citizens was to whip up public
support for a comprehensive attack on the Arab states in the
Middle East. The plans for these military moves have been in
place for several years, but they could never have won public
approval without this boost.


VIII. EPILOG - HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN? SOME HISTORICAL CONTEXT.

In the introduction I discussed the Gladio operations carried
out in Europe in the 1970's and 1980's. Among other things this
involved a series of bombings in Italy in which hundreds of
innocent civilians were killed. The bombings were disguised to
appear to be the work of communist subversives, but in fact were
carried out by extreme right wing groups under the direction of
the CIA.

[ Arthur E. Rowse: Gladio: The secret U.S. War to subvert
Italian Democracy. Covert Action Quarterly No. 49, Summer 1994.
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/gladio.html ]

The philosophy behind this kind of operation is spelled out in
the top secret Supplement B to U.S. Army Field Manual FM 30-31,
signed by General William Westmoreland in March 1970:

There may be times when HC [Host Country] governments
show passivity or indecision in face of Communist or
Communist-inspired subversion, and react with inadequate
vigor to intelligence estimates transmitted by U.S.
agencies ... In such cases, U.S. Army intelligence must
have the means of launching special operations which will
convince HC governments and public opinion of the reality
of the insurgent danger and of the necessity of
counteraction.
To this end, U.S. Army intelligence should seek to
penetrate the insurgency by means of agents on special
assignment, with the task of forming special action groups
among the more radical elements of the insurgency. When the
kind of situation envisaged above arises, these groups,
acting under U.S. Army intelligence control, should be used
to launch violent or non-violent actions according to the
nature of the case.

http://cryptome.org/inscom-foia02.htm

The aim of these operations then was to polarize the public and
convince them that they were faced with violence and death from
political extremists, WHEN NECESSARY MANUFACTURING THE VIOLENCE
AND DEATH THAT WAS NEEDED TO PUSH PUBLIC OPINION IN THE DESIRED
DIRECTION.

Now I agree that it's a step up from killing hundreds of innocent
civilians in order to further your political agenda to, in the
case of the attacks on September 11, killing thousands of innocents.
But how big a step is this really? ... Especially when you consider
how much greater the stakes are now (from the warped perspective of
the extreme militarists). During the Cold War we were constantly
fighting on the edges - trying to force geopolitical boundaries a
little bit one way or the other. Now as the world's single great
superpower we have a unique "opportunity" to dominate the entire
globe and gain control of key resources - especially oil of course.

The evidence presented here (and much more that has been omitted
in the interest of keeping this short) strongly suggests that
September 11 was just such an operation, mounted by a radical group
within the Bush administration - an alliance of extreme militarists
and fanatical Zionists who are gaining increasing influence in our
military and intelligence command structures.

The scenario prescribed by Westmoreland is a perfect fit for what
we have observed. It would be very easy for the CIA to infiltrate
"agents provocateur" among genuine Islamic fundamentalists using
their loyal client, Pakistan's ISI, as the intermediary. With ISI
support they could quickly gain leadership status. Then all you
need is the political clout to shut down any investigation by the
CIA or FBI that might threaten the operation. Mohammed Atta
is an obvious provocateur, operating very openly and deliberately
leaving a trail of damning evidence. His strange double life as
a zealous Islamic fundamentalist on the one hand and wild, fully
westernized party animal on the other becomes completely coherent
in this context.

In considering this evidence it's important to recognize just how
corrupt our intelligence establishment has become. One huge scandal
that has never been addressed is narcotics trafficking and money
laundering by the CIA. Agency involvement in large scale heroin
trafficking started in Laos during the Vietnam war. This has been
known for decades; a good reference is Professor William Chambliss'
presidential address to the American Society of Criminology in 1988:

http://www.memresearch.org/econ/state-organized_crime.htm

During the campaign in Afghanistan CIA heroin trafficking
accelerated, and the United States was flooded with Afghan heroin.
Alfred McCoy, Professor of Southeast Asian History at the University
of Wisconsin, Madison, has discussed this problem, and the central
role this played in the administration of George Bush Sr:

First of all, I think the Laos parallel is very strong in
the Iran-Contra operation ... All the personnel that are
involved in that operation are Laos veterans. Ted Shackley,
Thomas Clines, Oliver North, Richard Secord - they all
served in Laos during thirteen-year war. They are all part
of that policy of integrating narcotics and being
complicitous in the narcotics trade in the furtherance of
covert action.
http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKALLIANCE/ciah3.html

[ See Also, "The Politics of Heroin, CIA Complicity in the
Global Drug Trade", Alfred W. McCoy, Lawrence Hill Books,
NY 1991 ]

The CIA also became very active in smuggling cocaine from Latin
America during this period, and the proceeds were used among other
things to fund the Contra guerillas in Nicauragua.
["Whiteout, The CIA Drugs and the Press", Cockburn & St. Clair,
Verson, London 1998]

Notoriously, George Bush Jr. has surrounded himself with officials
associated with the worst scandals involving covert operations of
his father's administration, including the Iran-Contra scandal.
These officials include men like Richard Armitage, Eliot Abrams
(convicted of two misdemeanors), John Poindexter (convicted on five
felony charges), and Richard Secord (convicted on six felony
charges). (Unfortunately most of these convictions were later
overturned on the technicality that they were contaminated by
immunized testimony before congressional committees.) These men
were active in formulating policy at the very time our government
started to pump money into the ISI and to cultivate this agency as
a client. Now they are choosing to simply ignore the fact that it
is their own client and ally who funded the September 11 attacks.
Noted historian Theodore Draper has written of Iran-Contra and the
related pattern of criminal activity in the White House:

If ever the constitutional democracy of the United States
States is overthrown, we now have a better idea of how
this is likely to be done. During the course of the Iran-
Contra affairs, from 1984 to 1986, something in the nature
of a junta was at work inside the U.S. government. We
usually think of a junta as plotting to overthrow a
president; this junta came into being to overthrow an
established constitutional rule of law with the help of a
president. The main lesson from this experience is that
the chief danger to our political system is from within,
not from without.

[Theodore Draper, Foreword to "The Iran-Contra Scandal,
The Declassified History", Kornbluh and Byrne eds.,
The New Press, 1993, NY, pg. xiii]

George Bush Sr. himself, a few months before he granted presidential
pardons to his friends, put it even more graphically:

"If the people were to ever find out what we have done,
we would be chased down the streets and lynched."

[George H.W. Bush, cited in the June, 1992 Sarah
McClendon Newsletter]

The former President and father of the current President has
put his finger on their own worst nightmare: the time tested
ability of the american people to raise holy hell when their
government abuses their trust.

Tim Howells


[ Note: Throughout this post is deeply indebted to the timeline
compiled by the Cooperative Research Group (CGI). See:
http://cooperativeresearch.org/completetimeline/ ]

Peter Fokes

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> The answer is, yes we are stupid in some ways. Does anyone think that any
> country other than America would be worrying about racial profiling after
an
> event like Sept. 11th? Can you picture Saudi Arabia saying to themselves,
after
> 11 white guys slammed planes into buildings in their country, "Wait! The
last
> thing we want to do is offend Caucasians!" Yeah right!
> Mark


I suspect that more deaths in the US occur each year through murder
committed by 15-20 year old males with handguns than terrorism. Am I right?

Peter F

Mecornett

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Jan 9, 2003, 4:59:40 PM1/9/03
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>
>I suspect that more deaths in the US occur each year through murder
>committed by 15-20 year old males with handguns than terrorism. Am I right?
>
>Peter F
>

You are very right.
Mark

John McAdams

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Jan 10, 2003, 9:27:28 PM1/10/03
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Correct, but that's not a good reason to cease to care about
terrorism.

.John

--

John McAdams

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Jan 10, 2003, 9:43:32 PM1/10/03
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On 9 Jan 2003 10:54:20 -0500, tim.h...@nc.uas.lul.se (Tim Howells)
wrote:

>Hi Don, Regarding racial profiling, I tend to agree that
>law enforcement officials should be able to use all information
>available to identify people who are the greatest risks in
>terms of committing terrible crimes. On the other hand I
>certainly would not want to see this reach the point where
>people were being rounded up and imprisoned solely on the
>basis of race or religion.


Nobody is suggesting that. It is, however, the case that certain
kinds of people are most likely to be involved in terrorist activities
than others, and it's perfectly rational that they should get more
attention.

Basically, I don't think anybody has a right *not* to be approached by
the cops, and asked for information. One has a right to refuse to
talk to them.

I don't think that people who are in this country on tourist and
student viasa have a right *not* to be accountable for where they are,
what they are doing, and whether their status is legal.


>I'm sure you don't want that
>either.
>
>I think that September 11 is being used as a pretext
>for a number of preset rightwing agendas. You may recall
>that during Iran-Contra Oliver North was working on
>a scheme to declare a state of National Emergency and then,
>using the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to
>identify "political dissidents" and round them up in
>concentration camps.

Actually, I *don't* remember that.

Do you have a source?

John McAdams

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On 8 Jan 2003 23:53:39 -0500, "Stephen M. Birmingham"
<s.birm...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

The fact that women in the U.S. military in Saudi Arabia *sometimes*
fail to observe Muslim standards of the role of women is one of the
ways we have "raped" them.

.John

--

Jerry Organ

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Jan 11, 2003, 3:37:23 PM1/11/03
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John McAdams wrote:

>The fact that women in the U.S. military in Saudi Arabia
>*sometimes* fail to observe Muslim standards of the
>role of women is one of the ways we have "raped" them.

John,

Hmm. It's an affront for US soldiers overseas (who are unofficial ambassadors)
to observe such a local custom.

Yet, when US politicians and religious figures visit US Jewish groups, it's not
too much trouble for them to don a yarmulke.

In one case, the wearing of a simple ceremonial piece of cloth is an affront to
Western traditions and one's personal religious beliefs. In another case, it's
a mark of respect and not given a second thought.

Jerry Organ

Stephen M. Birmingham

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Jan 11, 2003, 9:31:42 PM1/11/03
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"John McAdams" <john.m...@marquette.edu> wrote:

> The fact that women in the U.S. military in Saudi Arabia *sometimes*
> fail to observe Muslim standards of the role of women is one of the
> ways we have "raped" them.

More important than that, in some nations, the very presence of a foreign
military establishment is considered unlawful. As a matter of fact, in the
example you gave, the only reason Saudi Arabia broke with custom was
because the United States lied and tricked them into believing that Iraq,
shortly after invading Kuwait, was about to annex their territory as well!
Osama bin Laden -- a sworn enemy of Saddam Hussein (who is a secular
leader, remember) -- disapproved of Western intervention, and he wanted to
mobilize and lead conventional forces, including the Taliban, to drive
Iraqi forces out of Kuwait. But the American's managed to convince Saudi
leaders that they were in immediate peril, and that if they did not act
fast then it would all be too late and that they may not be able to
"defend" them.

As proof, George Bush made reference to satellite images which purportedly
revealed that Iraqi forces had been steadily amassing along the Saudi
boarder, and that they had reached such proportions as to indicate an
impending invasion. But then almost immediately, European journalists
obtained miles and miles of Soviet satellite images of the area in
question, and they had intelligence experts study those images. They
subsequently claimed that there was no such buildup, and, in fact, they
concluded that there never had been such a military buildup.

This is talked about in several documentaries -- funnily enough, it is
also discussed in a recording I received this very morning, titled:
"Hidden Wars Of Desert Storm". For free, you can also listen to "The Fire
This Time: Deconstructing the Gulf War - A Permanent record of the fate of
Iraq and a guide to the language of mass media propaganda".

But then, all of this is a bit of a red herring. When I said "the West --


chiefly the British Empire and the United States of America -- has

repeatedly raped their homeland," I was thinking of more legitimate human
rights abuses. arily the 11-13th century military crusades.

Please see:

http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/00000006D9F9.htm

http://www.aroadlesstravelled.net/fire/

http://www.hiddenwars.com/

I hope these links are of some use to you. If you wish, I can provide many
more.

R2JUDGE

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>Subject: Re: HOW STUPID ARE WE?
>From: meco...@aol.com (Mecornett)
>Date: 1/9/03 1:59 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <20030109160340...@mb-ms.aol.com>

***And medical and pharmaceutical mistakes kill more than both.

***Ron Judge

Tim Howells

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Jan 12, 2003, 9:13:14 AM1/12/03
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John McAdams wrote:

> Tim Howells wrote:
>> Hi Don, Regarding racial profiling, I tend to agree that
>> law enforcement officials should be able to use all information
>> available to identify people who are the greatest risks in
>> terms of committing terrible crimes. On the other hand I
>> certainly would not want to see this reach the point where
>> people were being rounded up and imprisoned solely on the
>> basis of race or religion.

> Nobody is suggesting that. It is, however, the case that certain
> kinds of people are most likely to be involved in terrorist activities
> than others, and it's perfectly rational that they should get more
> attention.

Yes - I agree, and I realize that no one here was proposing anything
more than this. My point was that this administration has a history
that should make us VERY wary of their attempts to weaken our
Constitution and strenghen their own powers.

[ SNIP ]

>> I'm sure you don't want that either.

>> I think that September 11 is being used as a pretext
>> for a number of preset rightwing agendas. You may recall
>> that during Iran-Contra Oliver North was working on
>> a scheme to declare a state of National Emergency and then,
>> using the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to
>> identify "political dissidents" and round them up in
>> concentration camps.

> Actually, I *don't* remember that. Do you have a source?

Here's a recent article from the Sydney Morning Herald that
covers this and also notes the disturbing links to the current
administration and the "Patriot Act" etc:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/1027497418339.html

************ QUOTE ON ***********

On July 20 the Detroit Free Press ran a story entitled "Arabs in US could
be held, official warns". The story referred to a member of the US Civil
Rights Commission who foresaw the possibility of internment camps for Arab
Americans. FEMA has practised for such an occasion.

FEMA, whose main role is disaster response, is also responsible for
handling US domestic unrest.

>From 1982-84 Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil
defence preparations. Details of these plans emerged during the 1987
Iran-Contra scandal.

They included executive orders providing for suspension of the
constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the
turning over of government to the president and FEMA.

A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMA
director Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial
law portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one Mr
Giuffrida had developed earlier to combat "a national uprising by black
militants". It provided for the detention "of at least 21million American
Negroes"' in "assembly centres or relocation camps".

Today Mr Brinkerhoff is with the highly influential Anser Institute for
Homeland Security. Following a request by the Pentagon in January that the
US military be allowed the option of deploying troops on American streets,
the institute in February published a paper by Mr Brinkerhoff arguing the
legality of this.

He alleged that the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which has long been
accepted as prohibiting such deployments, had simply been misunderstood
and misapplied.

The preface to the article also provided the revelation that the national
plan he had worked on, under Mr Giuffrida, was "approved by Reagan, and
actions were taken to implement it".

By April, the US military had created a Northern Command to aid Homeland
defence. Reuters reported that the command is "mainly expected to play a
supporting role to local authorities".

However, Mr Ridge, the Director of Homeland Security, has just advocated a
review of US law regarding the use of the military for law enforcement
duties.

Disturbingly, the full facts and final contents of Mr Reagan's national
plan remain uncertain. This is in part because President Bush took the
unusual step of sealing the Reagan presidential papers last November.
However, many of the key figures of the Reagan era are part of the present
administration, including John Poindexter, to whom Oliver North later
reported.

At the time of the Reagan initiatives, the then attorney-general, William
French Smith, wrote to the national security adviser, Robert McFarlane: "I
believe that the role assigned to the Federal Emergency Management Agency
in the revised Executive Order exceeds its proper function as a
co-ordinating agency for emergency preparedness ... this department and
others have repeatedly raised serious policy and legal objections to an
'emergency czar' role for FEMA."

Criticism of the Bush Administration's response to September11 echoes Mr
Smith's warning. On June 7 the former presidential counsel John Dean spoke
of America's sliding into a "constitutional dictatorship" and martial law.
Ritt Goldstein is an investigative journalist and a former leader in the
movement for US law enforcement accountability. He revealed exclusively in
the Herald last week the Bush Administration's plans for a domestic spying
system more pervasive than the Stasi network in East Germany.

************ QUOTE OFF ***********

Tim Howells

R2JUDGE

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>From: "Stephen M. Birmingham" s.birm...@blueyonder.co.uk
>Date: 1/8/03 2:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
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***C. Neither. Osama and his ilk are religious radicals. Osama was worth
some 300 million.

***Ron Judge

R2JUDGE

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>From: tim.h...@nc.uas.lul.se (Tim Howells)
>Date: 1/9/03 7:54 AM Pacific Standard Time
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***You know the funny thing is that i went to vote in November.

If you want to talk about the destruction of the Constitution all you have
to do is go back to the creation of Social Security. If you take a good
close look at the Constitution it does not in any way shape or form gove
the Federal government any power to create such a program or many of the
other federal programs that have nothing to do with interstate commerce.

The government got your number back in 1936.

***Ron Judge

Gerry Simone (work)

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I agree too.

Profiling is reasonable & justifiable if done properly and responsibly.

"John McAdams" <john.m...@marquette.edu> wrote in message

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twalsh

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I get it:

Pee Wee Herman
The Smurfs
Scooby Doo
Bugs Bunny et al
Mr. Rogers
Captain Kangaroo

It's children's television programs that are evil, no wonder the
airport security makes 5 year olds take off their shoes and
intensively searches strollers.

DRobe...@aol.com wrote in message news:<16d.1758e1...@aol.com>...

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