Blanket fibers not on the rifle
davidma...@yahoo.com
the carpet as was thought why no fibers?
yeuhd
The rifle, Commission Exhibit No. 139, was received in the FBI Laboratory
on the morning of November 1963, and examined for foreign material at that
time. Stombaugh [Paul M. Stombaugh of the FBI] noticed immediately that
the rifle had been dusted for fingerprints, "and at the time I noted to
myself that I doubted very much if there would be any fibers adhering to
the outside of this gun--I possibly might find some in a crevice some
place--because when the latent fingerprint man dusted this gun, apparently
in Dallas, they use a little brush to dust with they would have dusted any
fibers off the gun at the same time ... "
Anthony Marsh
> Why were no blanket fibers found on the rifle.If the rifle was kept in
> the carpet as was thought why no fibers?
>
Blanket fibers were found. Cross contamination from police handling.
What's this about the carpet?
James K. Olmstead
trapped under the tape. These fibers were never noticed (in any report)
or examined before I found them.
jko
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Dave Reitzes
<davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why were no blanket fibers found on the rifle.If the rifle was kept in
> the carpet as was thought why no fibers?
Obviously, The Conspiracy neglected to plant fibers on the rifle.
What other possible answer could there be?
Dave
Herbert Blenner
I wonder why the FBI did not conduct a controlled experiment by
examining a similar rifle that was stored by them in the blanket?
Herbert
John Blubaugh
More incompetence from the Dallas PD. I think a better question would
be why wasn't there any gun oil on the blanket? I understand that the
gun was heavily oiled. It should have been on the blanket if that was
the case.
JB
yeuhd
> More incompetence from the Dallas PD. I think a better question would
> be why wasn't there any gun oil on the blanket? I understand that the
> gun was heavily oiled. It should have been on the blanket if that was
> the case.
1) Where was it stated that the gun was heavily oiled? The FBI's Paul
Stombaugh testified that he found fibers caught in "small grease
deposits" on the rifle, but he never said anything in his testimony
about the overall lubrication of the rifle.
2) Where was it stated that there was no gun oil on the blanket?
Anthony Marsh
> On May 12, 12:26�am, "davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com"
> <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Why were no blanket fibers found on the rifle.If the rifle was kept in
>> the carpet as was thought why no fibers?
>
> Obviously, The Conspiracy neglected to plant fibers on the rifle.
>
It was Oswald's rifle. He had normally kept it wrapped in the blanket.
So what?
tomnln
On May 12, 9:29 pm, John Blubaugh <jbluba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> More incompetence from the Dallas PD. I think a better question would
> be why wasn't there any gun oil on the blanket? I understand that the
> gun was heavily oiled. It should have been on the blanket if that was
> the case.
1) Where was it stated that the gun was heavily oiled? The FBI's Paul
Stombaugh testified that he found fibers caught in "small grease
deposits" on the rifle, but he never said anything in his testimony
about the overall lubrication of the rifle.
CE 2974 Volume XXVI page 455. (Signed by Hoover)
2) Where was it stated that there was no gun oil on the blanket?
NONE Reported, Unless YOU can find a Citation.
Jas
was kept in
> the carpet as was thought why no fibers?"
You meant "blanket" instead of "carpet" I assume. There were indeed fibers
found on the weapon that matched Oswald's shirt, just not blanket fibers
on the actual weapon. Here's an explanation of why that might have been
the case, along with proof of the materials of the paper bag that held the
weapon being from the TSBD shipping room. Below that I've posted
Bugliosi's footnote on P. 799 regarding the shirt fibers that were found
on the weapon:
"On the day of the assassination, samples of the wrapping paper and
tape used in the Texas School Book Depository were forwarded to the FBI
laboratory for fiber and spectrographic analysis. They were found to be in
all respects identical to the materials used to construct the bag. The
packing tape even bore the impression of the knurled roller in the
shipping room's tape dispenser. The Commission pointed out that 'the
complete identity of characteristics between the paper and the tape in the
bag found on the sixth floor and the paper and tape found in the shipping
room of the Depository on November 22 enabled the Commission to conclude
that the bag was made from these materials. Also, a 'single brown,
delustered, viscose fiber and several light-green cotton fibers found
inside the bag...matched in all observable microscopic characteristics'
fibers from the blanket in Ruth Paine's garage, where Oswald stored his
Carcano. However, because there were so few fibers found inside the paper
bag, and the blanket in the garage also consisted of other fibers (e.g.
brown and green woolen fibers), the FBI crime lab was unable to make a
positive match between the fibers found inside the bag and the blanket."
(Bugliosi, "Reclaiming History," pp. 798-799.)
[Fibers found on the weapon]
"Further evidence showing that Oswald was in physical possession of
the Carcano is that a tuft of several cotton fibers of dark blue,
gray-black, and orange-yellow shades were found in the crevice of the butt
plate of the rifle, and the FBI laboratory found that the colors and even
the twist of the fibers matched perfectly with the shirt that Oswald was
wearing at the time of his arrest, the same shirt the Warren Commission
believed he was wearing when he was on the sixth floor in the sniper's
nest.
The FBI expert testified that the fibers 'were clean, they had good
color to them, there was no grease on them, and they were not fragmented,'
causing him to conclude they 'had just been picked up...in the recent
past,' although at another point he couldn't categorically say they had
not been there for a long time. However, the Warren Commission noted that
'the fact that on the morning of the assassination Oswald was wearing the
shirt from which these relatively fresh fibers most probably originated
provides some evidence that they transferred to the rifle that day since
there was limited, if any, opportunity for Oswald to handle the weapon
during the two months prior to November 22.' (WR, pp. 124-125; 4 H 82-87,
WCT Paul Morgan Stombaugh; CE 673, 17 H 330; CE 674, 17 H 331) Indeed,
when Marina was first asked whether she knew what shirt her husband was
wearing on the morning of the assassination, she answered, 'I don't
remember.' But when she was shown Commission Exhibit No. 150, the shirt he
was wearing at the time of his arrest, and was asked if she recalled him
wearing it on the morning of November 22, she answered, 'Yes, it was a
dark shirt' (which Commission Exhibit No. 150 is). Question: 'You think
that was the one?' Answer: 'Yes.' (1 H 121, WCT Marina N. Oswald). In any
event, the tufts of fibers certainly are further substantive evidence the
Oswald was at least in possession of the Carcano at some point, as opposed
to merely owning it." (Bugliosi, "Reclaiming History," p. 799)
James
John Blubaugh
I believe both items were mentioned in the original FBI report on the
rifle. While you are finding that, why wasn't their oil on the alleged
paper bag Oswald supposedly carried in the building with the rifle in
it?
JB
Dave Reitzes
> Dave Reitzes wrote:
> > On May 12, 12:26�am, "davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com"
> > <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Why were no blanket fibers found on the rifle.If the rifle was kept in
> >> the carpet as was thought why no fibers?
>
> > Obviously, The Conspiracy neglected to plant fibers on the rifle.
>
> It was Oswald's rifle. He had normally kept it wrapped in the blanket.
> So what?
I'm sick and tired of you WC defenders making excuses for the CIA.
Dave
davidma...@yahoo.com
Sorry obviously meant blanket not carpet.