Question for CTs
John Canal
motorcade passing by the TSBD, and when they were successful at making
sure it would?
Marsh? Harris? Bobr? Markup, Pam, Anyone?
Just wondering if you had investigated this aspect of the case before you
launched your charges that the CIA or whoever conspired to assassinate
JFK.
The answer is right there in the WC Hearings.....key word "acquiesce".
I'm sure there are LNs who know, though...right, Big Dog? So LNs, if you
do know, please hold your answer to let the CTs chime in.
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
Anthony Marsh
> Who among you knows who the evidence shows was most responsible for the
> motorcade passing by the TSBD, and when they were successful at making
> sure it would?
>
So what?
John Canal
>On 10/3/2011 9:31 PM, John Canal wrote:
>> Who among you knows who the evidence shows was most responsible for the
>> motorcade passing by the TSBD, and when they were successful at making
>> sure it would?
>>
>
>Silly. The local SS agent Sorrels.
>So what?
So my point is that you'd think before making charges that the USG
conspired to assassinate JFK you'd do your homework.....but nope, just
shoot from the hip.
>> Marsh? Harris? Bobr? Markup, Pam, Anyone?
>>
>> Just wondering if you had investigated this aspect of the case before you
>> launched your charges that the CIA or whoever conspired to assassinate
>> JFK.
>>
>> The answer is right there in the WC Hearings.....key word "acquiesce".
>>
>> I'm sure there are LNs who know, though...right, Big Dog? So LNs, if you
>> do know, please hold your answer to let the CTs chime in.
>>
>
>
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
John Blubaugh
> In article <4e8ace0...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
JB
Anthony Marsh
> In article<4e8ace0a$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
>>
>> On 10/3/2011 9:31 PM, John Canal wrote:
>>> Who among you knows who the evidence shows was most responsible for the
>>> motorcade passing by the TSBD, and when they were successful at making
>>> sure it would?
>>>
>>
>> Silly. The local SS agent Sorrels.
>
> Wrongo!
>
>> So what?
>
> So my point is that you'd think before making charges that the USG
> conspired to assassinate JFK you'd do your homework.....but nope, just
> shoot from the hip.
to make up false charges after you've lost the argument.
John Canal
>On 10/4/2011 6:02 PM, John Canal wrote:
>> In article<4e8ace0a$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
>>>
>>> On 10/3/2011 9:31 PM, John Canal wrote:
>>>> Who among you knows who the evidence shows was most responsible for the
>>>> motorcade passing by the TSBD, and when they were successful at making
>>>> sure it would?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Silly. The local SS agent Sorrels.
>>
>> Wrongo!
>>
>
>Sorrels is the one who made the decision to make the turn onto Elm.
according to the traffic laws....but that's not what the answer is.
This is an important matter as far as trying to determine whether there
was an assassinaton conspiracy and I can see you haven't read up on it.
>>> So what?
>>
>> So my point is that you'd think before making charges that the USG
>> conspired to assassinate JFK you'd do your homework.....but nope, just
>> shoot from the hip.
>
>I never accused the USG of conspiring to assassinate JFK. You just love
>to make up false charges after you've lost the argument.
about evidence that supports NO CONSPIRACY...of any kind, USG, Mafia,
Castro, Russia, Anti-Castro groups, whomever!
I haven't lost the argument...you did, but you don't know enough about
this aspect of the case to realize it.
I'm just waiting to see who else chimes in with an answer before I point
you to the answer and one of the most important ciations re. this case.
Actually, my guess is that none of the LNs know the answer either.
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
David Von Pein
Whenever I argue this topic regarding the motorcade route, I always
point to Kenny O'Donnell as being the person who (ultimately) was the
#1 person who put the green light on holding the Nov. 22 luncheon at
the Trade Mart....and, hence, it was O'Donnell who was chiefly
responsible for the President's car needing to making the turn onto
Elm Street in Dealey Plaza.
I also think John Connally was a person who had a lot of "pull" with
respect to the Trade Mart being selected as the luncheon site.
I have a feeling, however, that John Canal has different ideas and a
different set of people in mind to answer his thread-starting
question.
We'll see.
Don Roberdeau
trip approached, it was Governor Connally that kept strongly,
racheting-up his insisting on the Trade Mart, and the WH, eventually,
acquiesced.
(and that luncheon location decision led directly to the murdercade
route decision)
Basically, after a certain date, LBJ's decades longtime friend and LBJ
campaigns manager personally and via others politico-messaged/
blackmailed to WH Texas trip decision-makers....
"It's my way, or, no Texas trip",
....and (are you aware?) that one of several Texas trip advancemen
has publicly stated that Connally lied about a key discussion with the
WH. (the Connally lies were discovered by this advanceman and the WH
only after 11-22-63)
Of course (predictably) after Dallas, when Connally gave his
testimonies and public statements, he transparently tried to downplay
and minimize his management involvements in the whole Texas trip
behind-the-scenes plans, despite records and other trip managers
statements that document he was heavily involved.
For further exploration, there are several key considerations and
actions that made up Connally's "insistence" on wanting/insisting that
the murdercade flow to the Trade Mart.
Which ones are you aware of?
Also, are you aware of what event and location, instead of the
eventual murdercade/Trade Mart luncheon, was, early on, first slotted
by planners into the Texas trip original plans for the same 11-22-63
hours?
Best Regards in Research,
Don
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John Canal
David Von Pein says...
I'll pretty much give you a loud "BINGO" on your answer, although, IMO, it needs
to be touched up a bit.
The key sources for most of the information re. this matter is Jerry Bruno's,
"The Advance Man", the HSCA account, and O'Donnell's WC testimony.
Bruno made the advance trip for the Sec. Svc. about a month prior to the
assassinaton. He reported back that the Trade Mart was unsuitable for security
reasons...three tiers, etc.
The WH Sec. Svc., based on Bruno's recommendations decided the luncheon would be
at the Women's Center, which was east of downtown Dallas.
Everyone with the power to make such decisions (Ken O'Donnell, Jerry Behn (the
Chief of the WH Sec. Svc. detail), and, going from memory, even JFK), agreed.
When JBC, however, found out the Women's Center had been the choice, he
threatened to pull out his state-wide support for the Democratic
ticket....unless the luncheon would be held at the Trade Mart. No need to
discuss why JBC didn't want the Women's Center....but his reasons were purely
political...security wasn't on his mind.
O'Donell and the Dallas Sec. Svc. bent to JBC's "demands"....they really had no
choice...it was a form of political blackmail by JBS,
O'Donnell testified, "We acquiesced to his wishes."
Truth is he had little choice.
Sorrells, of course, said there'd be no problem securing the TM....ya sure, the
politically correct statement. What was he going to say, "Well there's a
security risk but we'll go there anyway?" Sure.
Anyway, when O'Donnell informed Bruno they had decided on the TM, Bruno was
furious.....and, IMO, in his book "implied" JBC caused the death of JFK.
Had the luncheon been at the Women's Center, the MC would have traveled through
DP heading east (faster than it traveled on Elm street heading to the TM).
Moreover, Jackie would have been sitting between the JFK and the TSBD. IOW, only
idiots would have planted a sniper or a patsy there.
The bottom line is that, because: 1) LHO was hired at the TSBD in Sept., 2) the
change to the luncheon site (TM) was made only a little over a week prior to the
assassination, and 3) JBC is the main [only?] reason the site was changed, all
the CT theories that suggest LHO was involved in one way or another with the
plot have an inherent hole....or at the very least a somewhat implausible weak
aspect [in their theory].
Oh, BTW, re. all the sometimes rather uncivil arguing we did some time ago,
there will be an article that I wish you'd read that will most likely be
published in a pretty prominent on-line publication (we hope/expect that some of
the major newspapers will also re-print it) in the next few weeks. I assure you
there is new and surprising information in it and at least you and VB might be
taken aback.
>We'll see.
Yes, we will.
:-)
John Canal
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
John Canal
Don Roberdeau says...
>
>On Oct 3, 9:31=A0pm, John Canal <John_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
<TOP POST>
Don, I wrote about this in my book (manuscript pretty much finished in 1999) and
what I wrote pretty much mirrors what you wrote below.
I'm impressed.....but do have a question.
If JBC, who obviously wasn't involved in any assassination plot, "forced" the MC
to pass by the TSBD (metaphorically speaking, right into LHO's sights), how do
you "fit" LHO into your CT? As I recall you are a CT, right?
Thanks.
John C.
>
> Don
>
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John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
Anthony Marsh
>
> Whenever I argue this topic regarding the motorcade route, I always
> point to Kenny O'Donnell as being the person who (ultimately) was the
> #1 person who put the green light on holding the Nov. 22 luncheon at
> the Trade Mart....and, hence, it was O'Donnell who was chiefly
> responsible for the President's car needing to making the turn onto
> Elm Street in Dealey Plaza.
>
Sorrells and the DPD when they discussed which route to take. O'Donnell
had no input. You know that there were several alternative routes
considered. They could have stayed on Main Street. But they wanted to go
though Dealey Plaza no matter what. That is the point of a motorcade, to
be seen by crowds.
BTW, remember that it was O'Donnell who kicked Cecil Stoughton out of
the SS follow-up car.
> I also think John Connally was a person who had a lot of "pull" with
> respect to the Trade Mart being selected as the luncheon site.
>
> I have a feeling, however, that John Canal has different ideas and a
> different set of people in mind to answer his thread-starting
> question.
>
only he has the inside story and anyone who disagrees with his wacky
theories is part of the cover-up.
> We'll see.
>
Anthony Marsh
> On Oct 3, 9:31 pm, John Canal<John_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> Who among you knows who the evidence shows was most responsible for the
>> motorcade passing by the TSBD, and when they were successful at making
>> sure it would?
>>
>> Marsh? Harris? Bobr? Markup, Pam, Anyone?
>>
>> Just wondering if you had investigated this aspect of the case before you
>> launched your charges that the CIA or whoever conspired to assassinate
>> JFK.
>>
>> The answer is right there in the WC Hearings.....key word "acquiesce".
>>
>> I'm sure there are LNs who know, though...right, Big Dog? So LNs, if you
>> do know, please hold your answer to let the CTs chime in.
>>
>> --
>> John Canal
>> jca...@webtv.net
>
>
> Good Day John.... IIRC, and, in the broadest frameset, as the Texas
> trip approached, it was Governor Connally that kept strongly,
> racheting-up his insisting on the Trade Mart, and the WH, eventually,
> acquiesced.
>
So what? Connally thought it was more modern and more attractive.
> (and that luncheon location decision led directly to the murdercade
> route decision)
>
Not the turn.
And they could get to the Trade Mart directly from Love Field without
going down Main Street at all. They could have taken a direct route and
avoided Dealey Plaza. But the whole point of a motorcade was to go through
the center of the city so there would be crowds.
> Basically, after a certain date, LBJ's decades longtime friend and LBJ
> campaigns manager personally and via others politico-messaged/
> blackmailed to WH Texas trip decision-makers....
>
> "It's my way, or, no Texas trip",
>
> ....and (are you aware?) that one of several Texas trip advancemen
> has publicly stated that Connally lied about a key discussion with the
> WH. (the Connally lies were discovered by this advanceman and the WH
> only after 11-22-63)
>
Quote please.
> Of course (predictably) after Dallas, when Connally gave his
> testimonies and public statements, he transparently tried to downplay
> and minimize his management involvements in the whole Texas trip
> behind-the-scenes plans, despite records and other trip managers
> statements that document he was heavily involved.
>
> For further exploration, there are several key considerations and
> actions that made up Connally's "insistence" on wanting/insisting that
> the murdercade flow to the Trade Mart.
>
> Which ones are you aware of?
>
> Also, are you aware of what event and location, instead of the
> eventual murdercade/Trade Mart luncheon, was, early on, first slotted
> by planners into the Texas trip original plans for the same 11-22-63
> hours?
>
>
If you have a wacky theory, just spit it out.
> Best Regards in Research,
>
> Don
>
>
> Donald Roberdeau
> U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
> Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges Clearly
>
> For your considerations....
>
> Homepage: President KENNEDY "Men of Courage" speech, and
> Assassination Evidence,Witnesses, Suspects + Outstanding
> Researchers Discoveries and Considerations....
> http://droberdeau.blogspot.com/2009/08/1-men-of-courage-jfk-assassination_09.html
>
>
> Dealey Plaza Map Detailing 11-22-63 Victims precise locations,
> Witnesses, Films& Photos, Evidence, Suspected bullet trajectories,
> Important information& Considerations, in One Convenient
Anthony Marsh
> In article<4e8b...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
>>
>> On 10/4/2011 6:02 PM, John Canal wrote:
>>> In article<4e8ace0a$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/2011 9:31 PM, John Canal wrote:
>>>>> Who among you knows who the evidence shows was most responsible for the
>>>>> motorcade passing by the TSBD, and when they were successful at making
>>>>> sure it would?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Silly. The local SS agent Sorrels.
>>>
>>> Wrongo!
>>>
>>
>> Sorrels is the one who made the decision to make the turn onto Elm.
>
> Elm was the route to the Trademart that was proper and made the best sense
> according to the traffic laws....but that's not what the answer is.
>
Who cares about traffic laws? They blocked off the streets. They could go
down a one-way street the wrong way if they wanted to. They did not have
to stop for red lights.
There were several different ways to get to the Trade Mart, but they
wanted to go through the heart of the city, i.e. Dealey Plaza. They could
have stayed on Main Street. If JFK had been hit while on Main Street I'm
sure the same kooks would be pointing fingers at who designed the
motorcade to go down Main Street. Or Stemmons Freeway. Or whatever street.
> This is an important matter as far as trying to determine whether there
> was an assassinaton conspiracy and I can see you haven't read up on it.
>
I see that you have another wacky theory. We have been over this 1,000
times before.
>>>> So what?
>>>
>>> So my point is that you'd think before making charges that the USG
>>> conspired to assassinate JFK you'd do your homework.....but nope, just
>>> shoot from the hip.
>>
>> I never accused the USG of conspiring to assassinate JFK. You just love
>> to make up false charges after you've lost the argument.
>
> It doesn't matter who you think orchestrated the conspiracy.....this is
> about evidence that supports NO CONSPIRACY...of any kind, USG, Mafia,
> Castro, Russia, Anti-Castro groups, whomever!
>
Yet, you can have your own conspiracy theory. Not fair.
> I haven't lost the argument...you did, but you don't know enough about
> this aspect of the case to realize it.
>
> I'm just waiting to see who else chimes in with an answer before I point
> you to the answer and one of the most important ciations re. this case.
>
I am not a fan of mystery questions. If you have a wacky theory just tell
us. I don't care who you think was responsible. I just know that you will
accuse him of being the mastermind of the assassination. Otherwise what
difference does it make who insisted on the Trade Mart?
John Canal
There's only one person one this planet that I know of that pretty much
"doesn't" disagree with my so-called "wacky" theories. Fortunatey he is an
author, an academic, extremely familiar with this case, and is incredibly
highly respected.
Geeze, ya think I'm glad it's you who disagrees with me and not him.
So, more hogwash from Anthony.....no, I don't think everyone except the
aforementioned individual is part of any cover-up.
Par for the course....it's because your fingers type madly away without
your brain engaged.
Don't you wish you hadn't posted about a million times that JFK wasn't hit
at all in the BOH and could change that off-the-charts-silly theory...not
to mention the one where you think the circular feature below the ruler in
F8, "Missile wound in the posterior skull with calp reflected", is a
"spot"??????????????????
Ever thought about changing your sign in name for this group and
advocating he was hit in the BOH and that the so-called "spot" in F8 is
the entry? You could say that your friend, A. Marsh, went to Europe or
something?
Just trying to help, Anthony.
:-)
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
Anthony Marsh
So THAT's your Top Secret conspiracy theory? That Connally was the
mastermind of the JFK assassination. That's why he wanted to ride in the
same car as his victim, so that he could be accidentally shot? Your
conspiracy theory falls apart when we learn that the turn in front of the
TSBD was not necessary and Connally had no part in deciding to make that
turn.
Time for you to make up a new conspiracy theory.
> O'Donell and the Dallas Sec. Svc. bent to JBC's "demands"....they really had no
> choice...it was a form of political blackmail by JBS,
>
So now it's a John Birch Society plot? Boy this goes deeper than we
thought. ;]>
> O'Donnell testified, "We acquiesced to his wishes."
>
> Truth is he had little choice.
>
> Sorrells, of course, said there'd be no problem securing the TM....ya sure, the
> politically correct statement. What was he going to say, "Well there's a
> security risk but we'll go there anyway?" Sure.
>
Well, in point of fact he explained that any security problems were
manageable.
On November 4, 1963, Gerald Behn, special agent in charge (hereafter SAIC)
of the White House detail of the Secret Service, telephoned Forrest
Sorrels, the SAIC of the Dallas field office, stating that the President
would probably be visiting Dallas "about November 21" and that two
buildings had been suggested for a luncheon site. (118) One was the Trade
Mart, which according to Behn's Information had about 60 entrances and 6
catwalks suspended above the floor area where the luncheon was planned.
The second was the Women's Building at the fair grounds, whose structure
and appearance Behn did not, according to Sorrels, describe in equally
complete detail.(119)
On that same day, Sorrels made a survey of both locations and reported
back to Behn by telephone. He stated that he and Special Agent (Hereafter
SA) Bob Steuart of the Dallas office had visited the Trade Mart and the
Women's Building. Sorrels reported that the Women's Building was
preferable from the standpoint of security because the building had only
two entrances at either end, each of which was large enough to permit only
one car to pass through. (120) Nevertheless, Sorrels told Behn that the
Women's Building "was not satisfactory for that [Presidential] type of
function" because of its low ceilings, exposed air-conditioning, and
highly visible steel suspension supports. As for the Trade Mart, Sorrels
told Behn that because of the many entrances and exits in the Trade Mart,
there would be a problem of acquiring sufficient manpower to cover all
areas securely. (121)
Sorrels did not say that the Trade Mart would be impossible to secure
because he felt that the necessary precautions could be undertaken. (122)
> Anyway, when O'Donnell informed Bruno they had decided on the TM, Bruno was
> furious.....and, IMO, in his book "implied" JBC caused the death of JFK.
>
So, you're a Brunoite?
> Had the luncheon been at the Women's Center, the MC would have traveled through
> DP heading east (faster than it traveled on Elm street heading to the TM).
> Moreover, Jackie would have been sitting between the JFK and the TSBD. IOW, only
> idiots would have planted a sniper or a patsy there.
>
Draw for us the route as you would have laid it out to get from Love
Field to the Women's Center that would HAVE to go through Dealey Plaza.
Headed EAST? In a message you posted on March 4th you wrote:
> Ok, right. Now, you do know that the motorcade was supposed to go to the
> Women's Center west of downtown Dallas-for the luncheon--until roughly a
> week prior to the assassination when JBC insisted it [the luncheon] be
> held at the Trade Mart, right? The route from Love Field to the Women's
> Center would have taken the motorcade through DP on Main Street traveling
> at a brisk rate...and Jackie would have been between JFK and the
> depository.
You said the Women's Center was WEST of downtown Dallas. So why would
they being going EAST to get WEST?
Seems you are making this up as you go and you don't know where anything
is in Dallas.
Love Field was WEST of the Dealey Plaza so why would they need to go
EAST through Dealey Plaza to get to the Women's Center which you say is
WEST of Dealey Plaza?
For that matter they had no need to go through Dealey Plaza at all to
get from Love Field to the Trade Mart. It was only a few streets away by
going WEST then SOUTH. See the map.
http://www.the-puzzle-palace.com/63Dallas.gif
The ONLY reason to make the big loop to get from Love Field to the Trade
Mart was to intentionally go through Dealey Plaza. If they had decided
to go to the Women's Center they would still want to go through Dealey
Plaza to be seen by the crowds.
Mark on this map where the Women's Center and draw in the route they
would take.
The route necessitated by the Kennedy staff's preference for the Women's
Building would have led eastward along Main Street toward the fair
grounds, which lay to the southeast of the Main Street business district.
(114) The motorcade's access to the western end of Main Street on the
western side of Dealey Plaza would have been provided by a cloverleaf exit
that led into the Plaza from the expressway, just west of the Dealey Plaza
triple overpass. (115) After passing through the overpass, the motorcade
would then have continued, at what Bruno stated was the President's
customarily high rate of speed to or 50 miles per hour--into Main Street
within Dealey Plaza. (116) The distance on Main Street from the bottom of
the triple overpass to the point where crowds would be gathered (at the
Houston Street intersection) would have been crossed at that speed.
Deceleration of the motorcade would have commenced when the crowds were
reached. (117)
> The bottom line is that, because: 1) LHO was hired at the TSBD in Sept., 2) the
> change to the luncheon site (TM) was made only a little over a week prior to the
> assassination, and 3) JBC is the main [only?] reason the site was changed, all
> the CT theories that suggest LHO was involved in one way or another with the
> plot have an inherent hole....or at the very least a somewhat implausible weak
> aspect [in their theory].
>
Oh please. Now you have Oswald's personal choice, not part of a conspiracy
dictating where Connally as the mastermind of the conspiracy decides to
hold the luncheon? Again, to get to the Trade Mart there is no need to go
through Dealey Plaza.
To get to the Women's Center there is no need to go through Dealey Plaza.
How could Connally guarantee that Oswald would still be working at the
TSBD? Your conspiracy falls apart of its own weight.
> Oh, BTW, re. all the sometimes rather uncivil arguing we did some time ago,
> there will be an article that I wish you'd read that will most likely be
> published in a pretty prominent on-line publication (we hope/expect that some of
> the major newspapers will also re-print it) in the next few weeks. I assure you
> there is new and surprising information in it and at least you and VB might be
> taken aback.
>
Yeah, sure. Is this anything like your long anticipated TV special?
John Canal
> > Women's Center west of downtown Dallas-for the luncheon--until roughly a
realized that I meant to say the Women's center was east of downtown
"Had the luncheon been at the Women's Center, the MC would have traveled
And I haven't changed my mind in 11 years because I wrote on page 60 of my
book published in 2000 that the Women's Center was south EAST....and the
best way to get there from Love Field would have been to travel south on
the Stemmons and then East on Main.
And how did you arrive at the conclusion I said JBC was behind a
conspiracy?
There was a cover-up of sorts to make sure JBC and others involved in the
changing of the luncheon from the WC to the TM weren't blamed for the
assassination.....or does that surprise you?
You think conspirators killed JFK but the Sec. Svc would't lie...is that
it?
And I deleted your rambling.
OH, BTW, good catch on my typo...yes I mistyped: should have been JBC not
JBS....geesh you're quick...
but you still think the circular defect below the ruler in F8, which is
titled "Missile wound in posterior skull with the scalp reflected"...is a
S-P-O-T????????
Really? No lie????
And you claim JFK wasn't hit once in the BOH?????
That's a joke, right???
What a great legacy you'll leave for fellow CTs to admire...choke!
When are your articles on no hits to JFK's BOH going to be published?
That was a joke.
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
Anthony Marsh
person on this planet crazy enough.
Anthony Marsh
>>> Women's Center west of downtown Dallas-for the luncheon--until roughly a
>
> Yes, Marsh, I would have hoped a sluth with your capabilities would have
> realized that I meant to say the Women's center was east of downtown
> Dallas (technicallty southeast)...because that's why I wrote:
>
understanding of the motorcade. You didn't even know that Love Field was
WEST of Dealey Plaza and only a few blocks away from the Trade Mart. There
was no need to go through Dealey Plaza to get to the Trade Mart.
> "Had the luncheon been at the Women's Center, the MC would have traveled
> through DP heading east..."
>
you go WEST of Dealey Plaza there isn't much interesting there.
> And I haven't changed my mind in 11 years because I wrote on page 60 of my
> book published in 2000 that the Women's Center was south EAST....and the
> best way to get there from Love Field would have been to travel south on
> the Stemmons and then East on Main.
>
to Dealey Plaza and then avoid Dealey Plaza and go directly to the Women's
Center. Did you mark the location of the Women's Center on that map I
uploaded so that everyone can see how easy it is to just keep going South
and avoid Dealey Plaza?
> And how did you arrive at the conclusion I said JBC was behind a
> conspiracy?
>
in front of the TSBD. That is the hallmark of a wacky conspiracy theory.
Like you have a secret that no one else knows.
> There was a cover-up of sorts to make sure JBC and others involved in the
> changing of the luncheon from the WC to the TM weren't blamed for the
> assassination.....or does that surprise you?
>
motorcade route would be the mastermind of the assasination? Fetzer
wasn't around then, was he?
> You think conspirators killed JFK but the Sec. Svc would't lie...is that
> it?
>
Palamara's theory that the Secret Service was part of the conspiracy.
Kooks see conspiracy in everything when incompetence explains most of it.
> And I deleted your rambling.
>
> OH, BTW, good catch on my typo...yes I mistyped: should have been JBC not
> JBS....geesh you're quick...
>
did it. That's what Gonzales thought.
> but you still think the circular defect below the ruler in F8, which is
> titled "Missile wound in posterior skull with the scalp reflected"...is a
> S-P-O-T????????
>
holes? Fetzer thinks all the spots on the back are bullet holes. He's up
to 5 by today.
> Really? No lie????
>
> And you claim JFK wasn't hit once in the BOH?????
>
> That's a joke, right???
>
bullet hole. The HSCA said the upper mark was a bullet hole and the lower
mark was a dab of tissue on top of the head. They were all incompetent.
> What a great legacy you'll leave for fellow CTs to admire...choke!
>
> When are your articles on no hits to JFK's BOH going to be published?
>
an article.
> That was a joke.
>
John Canal
>> "doesn't" disagree with my so-called "wacky" theories. Fortunatey he is an
>> author, an academic, extremely familiar with this case, and is incredibly
>> highly respected.
>>
>
>Another phony Argument by Authority. You got no one. There is not any
>person on this planet crazy enough.
keyboard.
I said the artcle will be published...and if I know Peter he'll post a
link to it.
Then Marsh, eat crow by opening the link and look for yourself who did a
lot of the editing for me.
And whatever else you do, don't admit you put your foot in your
mouth...because that'd be different for you...and I wouldn't want you to
ruin your reputation.
Maybe you could see who published the article and ask the publisher if
they'll publish an article by you making your case for JFK not being hit
at all n the BOH....or for the circular defect below the ruler in the
autopsy photo titled, "Missile wound in posterior skull with scalp
reflected" being just a spot?????
Try it Marsh....or is this the only venue where you can say such
ridiculous things and feel comfortable about doing so?
Ya, that's it Marsh isn't it.
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
John Canal
>understanding of the motorcade. You didn't even know that Love Field was
>WEST of Dealey Plaza and only a few blocks away from the Trade Mart. There
>was no need to go through Dealey Plaza to get to the Trade Mart.
two and a half minutes to complete it?
Aren't the participants of this NG lucky...to have someone who blabbers
out nonsense like that posting 30 times a day.
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
David Von Pein
>>> "The ONLY reason to make the big loop to get from Love Field to the
Trade Mart was to intentionally go through Dealey Plaza." <<<
think?)
Via the above comment, Marsh is making it sound like Dealey Plaza was an
important destination for JFK on Nov. 22.
In fact, of course, Dealey Plaza just happened to be part of the route
that took the President through Dallas on Main Street. Dealey Plaza wasn't
important at all. But Marsh is making it sound like it was "DEALEY PLAZA
OR BUST" time for the motorcade planners.
What Tony M. should have said is:
"The ONLY reason to make the big loop to get from Love Field to the
STREET]."
Anthony Marsh
is that? I said the goal was to go through Dealey Plaza. That was the
heart of Dallas on Main Street. They could just as easily gone down ELm
instead, but Main Street would be best to attract crowds. And you gloss
over my point. To get to the Trade Mart from Love Field you don't have to
go through Dealey Plaza. No matter which way they came in and where they
were going to go they wanted to go through Dealey Plaza. Canal's theory of
luring JFK to the TSBD is just plain nuts.
Anthony Marsh
said it, the only reason why I have to post so many messages here is
because of so many WC defenders like you who post so much misinformation.
But naturally you'd like your BS to go unchallenged.
Anthony Marsh
>>> There's only one person one this planet that I know of that pretty much
>>> "doesn't" disagree with my so-called "wacky" theories. Fortunatey he is an
>>> author, an academic, extremely familiar with this case, and is incredibly
>>> highly respected.
>>>
>>
>> Another phony Argument by Authority. You got no one. There is not any
>> person on this planet crazy enough.
>
> Engage your brain, Marsh, before you turn your fingers lose on the
> keyboard.
>
> I said the artcle will be published...and if I know Peter he'll post a
> link to it.
>
defender into putting it on his web site.
> Then Marsh, eat crow by opening the link and look for yourself who did a
> lot of the editing for me.
>
phony Arguments by Authority?
> And whatever else you do, don't admit you put your foot in your
> mouth...because that'd be different for you...and I wouldn't want you to
> ruin your reputation.
>
> Maybe you could see who published the article and ask the publisher if
> they'll publish an article by you making your case for JFK not being hit
> at all n the BOH....or for the circular defect below the ruler in the
> autopsy photo titled, "Missile wound in posterior skull with scalp
> reflected" being just a spot?????
>
by the New York Times then you are delusional. My articles have appeared
in researcher journals.
> Try it Marsh....or is this the only venue where you can say such
> ridiculous things and feel comfortable about doing so?
>
bigdog
destination, it was a place on the journey. The crowd had largely thinned
out there, possibly because people anticipated the limo might accelerate
down Elm St meaning they would get just a brief glimpse of the Kennedys.
The parade route for all intents and purposes ended at Houson and Main
which was the edge of downtown Dallas. From there Dealey Plaza was between
there and the Trade Mart. Elm St was the quickest way to get from the end
of the parade route onto the freeway and on to the Trade Mart. Since it
was largely a wide open area, it would be a terrible location to try to
spring an ambush using multiple gunman. It probably would have only been
selected by someone who had no other options.
John Canal
>On 10/6/2011 9:49 PM, John Canal wrote:
>>>> There's only one person one this planet that I know of that pretty much
>>>> "doesn't" disagree with my so-called "wacky" theories. Fortunatey he is an
>>>> author, an academic, extremely familiar with this case, and is incredibly
>>>> highly respected.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Another phony Argument by Authority. You got no one. There is not any
>>> person on this planet crazy enough.
>>
>> Engage your brain, Marsh, before you turn your fingers lose on the
>> keyboard.
>>
>> I said the artcle will be published...and if I know Peter he'll post a
>> link to it.
>>
>
>More evasion. More pie in the sky. You HOPE to sucker a fellow WC
>defender into putting it on his web site.
major newspaper will carry the story as well.
>> Then Marsh, eat crow by opening the link and look for yourself who did a
>> lot of the editing for me.
>>
>
>What link? Why am I supposed to be impressed by another one of your
>phony Arguments by Authority?
you wait?
>> And whatever else you do, don't admit you put your foot in your
>> mouth...because that'd be different for you...and I wouldn't want you to
>> ruin your reputation.
>>
>> Maybe you could see who published the article and ask the publisher if
>> they'll publish an article by you making your case for JFK not being hit
>> at all n the BOH....or for the circular defect below the ruler in the
>> autopsy photo titled, "Missile wound in posterior skull with scalp
>> reflected" being just a spot?????
>>
>
>If you think I am going to write something hoping it will be published
>by the New York Times then you are delusional. My articles have appeared
>in researcher journals.
claims that JFK wasn't hit anywhere in the BOH.
>> Try it Marsh....or is this the only venue where you can say such
>> ridiculous things and feel comfortable about doing so?
>>
>
>I don't care for any phony establishment journals.
>
>> Ya, that's it Marsh isn't it.
>>
>>
>
>
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
John Canal
circular defect below the ruler in the autopsy photo titled, "Missile
wound in posterior skull with the scalp reflected" are not
disinformation????????????????????????
Claims like that need to be published in the paper for sure...in the comic
section.
Give us a break (to eliminate the clutter here)....post in the Ed
Forum...or won't they accept you?
--
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
David Von Pein
>>> "The goal was to go through Dealey Plaza." <<<
Incorrect. The goal was to travel through the heart of Dallas on Main
Street. Why even mention Dealey Plaza? It wasn't a "goal".
jas
>
>I don't care for any phony establishment journals.
>
The establishment journals don't care about phony conspiracy theories.
Anthony Marsh
Yes, they are part of the 10% elite who are paid by the CIA to defend
the WC at all costs.
Anthony Marsh
Of course we can't figure out what you are replying to because you snip
out the context. I never said the goal was to go through Dealey Plaza.
Someone else said the goal was to travel through the heart of Dallas on
Main Street and that takes you right through Dealey Plaza. Try to design a
route which goes down Main Street and avoids Dealey Plaza.
Anthony Marsh
> In article<4e8e85ac$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>, Anthony Marsh says...
>>
>> On 10/6/2011 11:11 PM, John Canal wrote:
>>>> But that's no fun. It's more fun to make fun of your simplistic
>>>> understanding of the motorcade. You didn't even know that Love Field was
>>>> WEST of Dealey Plaza and only a few blocks away from the Trade Mart. There
>>>> was no need to go through Dealey Plaza to get to the Trade Mart.
>>>
>>> Duh, that would have been some Presidential motorcade, eh, Marsh....what
>>> two and a half minutes to complete it?
>>>
>>> Aren't the participants of this NG lucky...to have someone who blabbers
>>> out nonsense like that posting 30 times a day.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'll repeat this in case you didn't see it the first 24 million times I
>> said it, the only reason why I have to post so many messages here is
>> because of so many WC defenders like you who post so much misinformation.
>> But naturally you'd like your BS to go unchallenged.
>
> So your claims that JFK wasn't hit anywhere in the BOH and that the
> circular defect below the ruler in the autopsy photo titled, "Missile
> wound in posterior skull with the scalp reflected" are not
> disinformation????????????????????????
>
No, they are facts.
Jason Burke
Dang, Marsh. YOU SOLVED IT! Yes, 10% of the country is in the employ of
the CIA specifically to spread lies about what happened! No wonder the
country is in such bad shape, all that money going to the 10% elite, and
all.
Too bad the WC basically DID get what happened.
John Canal
>> So your claims that JFK wasn't hit anywhere in the BOH and that the
>> circular defect below the ruler in the autopsy photo titled, "Missile
>> wound in posterior skull with the scalp reflected" are not
>> disinformation????????????????????????
>>
>
>No, they are facts.
You bragged you had articles published, right? In your articles did you write
about the above so-called facts?
Can you post links to your articles?
>> Claims like that need to be published in the paper for sure...in the comic
>> section.
>>
>> Give us a break (to eliminate the clutter here)....post in the Ed
>> Forum...or won't they accept you?
John Canal
jca...@webtv.net
Anthony Marsh
> On Oct 6, 11:12 pm, David Von Pein<davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> "The ONLY reason to make the big loop to get from Love Field to the
>>
>> Trade Mart was to intentionally go through Dealey Plaza."<<<
>>
>> This is a crazy statement. (But maybe Marsh just simply misspoke. Ya
>> think?)
>>
>> Via the above comment, Marsh is making it sound like Dealey Plaza was an
>> important destination for JFK on Nov. 22.
>>
>> In fact, of course, Dealey Plaza just happened to be part of the route
>> that took the President through Dallas on Main Street. Dealey Plaza wasn't
>> important at all. But Marsh is making it sound like it was "DEALEY PLAZA
>> OR BUST" time for the motorcade planners.
>>
>> What Tony M. should have said is:
>>
>> "The ONLY reason to make the big loop to get from Love Field to the
>> Trade Mart was to intentionally go through [THE HEART OF DALLAS ON MAIN
>> STREET]."
>
> As usual, you have made a great deal of success. Dealey Plaza was not a
> destination, it was a place on the journey. The crowd had largely thinned
> out there, possibly because people anticipated the limo might accelerate
at 50 MPH!
> down Elm St meaning they would get just a brief glimpse of the Kennedys.
it had rained that morning.
> The parade route for all intents and purposes ended at Houson and Main
> which was the edge of downtown Dallas. From there Dealey Plaza was between
> there and the Trade Mart. Elm St was the quickest way to get from the end
> of the parade route onto the freeway and on to the Trade Mart. Since it
rejected. The idea that Connally lured JFK to the TSBD is just ridiculous.
There was no need to go to Dealey Plaza. They didn't have to make the turn
from Houston onto Elm. We'd still have this discussion if the limo had
stayed on Main and the President was shot.
> was largely a wide open area, it would be a terrible location to try to
> spring an ambush using multiple gunman. It probably would have only been
> selected by someone who had no other options.
>
knoll would be the ideal location for a sniper.
Anthony Marsh
>>> So your claims that JFK wasn't hit anywhere in the BOH and that the
>>> circular defect below the ruler in the autopsy photo titled, "Missile
>>> wound in posterior skull with the scalp reflected" are not
>>> disinformation????????????????????????
>>>
>>
>> No, they are facts.
>
> Hmmmm? Really?
>
> You bragged you had articles published, right? In your articles did you write
> about the above so-called facts?
>
> Can you post links to your articles?
>
Well, because you refuse to post correctly we do not know to whom your
questions are directed. Are you claiming that you don't know how to use
the Internet to find thousands of articles on a subject? Maybe there are
some features in Advanced Search that you didn't know about. You need some
sitting next to you at your computer teaching you how to search the
Internet?
Anthony Marsh
Maybe that's why 9/11 was allowed to happen. Because instead of spending
the billions on tracking the terrorists they were wasting it on domestic
propaganda efforts, in violation of their charter.
Maybe instead of spending millions of dollars experimenting on people with
dangerous drugs and killing Americans they could have spent that money on
finding the mole in their midst giving away everything to the Russians.