Re: The Picture that Connects Chauncey Holt, Charles Rogers, and
Martin Shackelford
interpretation. You are trumpeting photo comparisons that we have all
seen many times before as though they were new evidence.
Also, you seem to believe what you've read--which may or may not be
true. And the fact that you have "no doubt" raises more questions about
your judgment, and certainly isn't evidence of anything.
I'm tired of valid evidence being called "disinformation" just because
it conflicts with someone's pet theory, as in this instance. You have NO
evidence that the Dallas police reports aren't exactly what they purport
to be. That doesn't mean there has never been a phony Dallas police
report injected in this case--there was one some years back, but the
tramps arrest reports have no indication of inauthenticity. Combined
with the suppporting evidence that they are valid, there isn't much real
doubt of it.
You keep referring to Lois Gibson, and mentioning that she is a forensic
artist. So what? All she can attest is similar facial characteristics.
She is not a forensic anthropologist, which would be the relevant field
for this sort of evidence. Capitalizing Ms. Gibson's specialties doesn't
make them more relevant.
The idea that Holt being a counterfeiter supports his involvement in an
assassination is assinine.
And you keep citing THEIR OWN CLAIMS as evidence to support their
claims--that just doesn't work, no matter how many times you attempt it.
You say that Charles Rogers introduced himself to Oswald as Carlos
Rojas. I doubt that your source is either of the only two present at the
time.
The evidence you refer to regarding Rogers, as your post of the other
day demonstrates, is a conversation between Rogers and his mother just
before he killed her--neither would have been available to report it, so
there's no evidence it is authentic.
You keep repeating the same claims over and over as though repetition
will make them seem reliable. They aren't. Nonsense and unverified
claims repeated a thousand times remain nonsense and unverified claims.
You don't seem to know much about Operation 40 either.
To take the photo exhibits individually:
1) WDSU film frame showing Oswald leafletting. There is no evidence that
the men you identify as Rogers and Holt are in fact Rogers and Holt. In
addition, if the man on the right is indeed Holt, he is too young to be
the "old tramp" in Dealey Plaza--so you undermine your own argument
whether the man is Holt or not. That you rely on Holt for the
identifications is absurd.
2) Blowup from a tramps photo showing "Frenchy." This was Harold
Doyle--whom the man much more resembles than he does Charles Rogers.
3) Alleged photo of Rogers--whether or not this is Rogers, it isn't
Frenchy--the nose and ears are both different. This is where forensic
anthropology would have come in handy.
4) Frenchy and authentic photo of Charles Rogers. First of all, the
Rogers photo doesn't match photo three--the noses are different again.
The nose is also narrower than that of Frenchy, which seems to be why a
fuzzier photo of Frenchy is used for comparison.
5) Harrelson and the tall tramp. Clearly not the same person.
Harrelson's ear, hairline, nose and mouth differ--and the configuration
of his face is different. This is why Ms. Gibson is an artist and not a
forensic anthropologist.
6) A tramps photo--police have a lax attitude because the three have
been arrested for petty offenses--and several blocks south of Dealey Plaza.
7) Older tramp and Chauncey Holt. Not a 1963 photo of Holt, but a later
one--and he still looks too young to be the older tramp. Nose and mouth
are both different.
What you need to do is examine clear blowups from ALL of the tramps
photos--and compare all photos of each tramp to the person you want to
compare them with--and preferably more than one photo of the person
(whether Harrelson, Holt or Rogers). The approach here is to pick the
tramp photo that looks the closest to the comparison photo, and assume
that creates a valid match. Bad science.
Martin
Anonymous wrote:
> Here are the pictures that blow the lid on the three tramps.
>
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> The three tramps were in fact Chauncey Holt, Charles Rogers, and Charles
> Harrelson. From viewing the comparison of Charles Harrelson to the tall
> tramp, I have no doubt as to the tramps identity.
>
> The record found at Dallas Police that claims the tramps were Gus Abrams,
> John F. Gedney and Harold Doyle, is a piece of DISINFORMATION. The
> pictures of these men do not look anything like the three tramps, which
> Lois Gibson confirms, after all she is a FORENSIC ARTIST and FACIAL
> EXPERT!
>
> All three of these men are EXCELLENT SHOOTERS, and they also have ties to
> the CIA and the Mob. Chauncey Holt is also a known COUNTERFEITER!
>
> In his confession, Holt claims to have supplied several fake secret
> service IDs, and supplied guns to
>
> Charles Rogers introduced himself to Oswald as Carlos Rojas. He spoke in
> English but affected a Cuban accent, because he spent years traveling
> throughout Latin America. Rogers explained to Oswald that he needed Lee's
> personal identification and his 15-day Mexican tourist visa (#24085) for
> the assignment planned in Mexico City. He needed the false cover, and
> since none of Oswald's ID included a photo, there should be no problem in
> its being accepted as valid, due to the men's superficial resemblance
> Rogers told Lee, his ID would be returned in about a week, upon completion
> of the assignment. Lee handed it over, as he had also been informed by
> Guy Bannister that something like this might be required.
>
> In 1965, Charles Rogers brutally murdered his parents and cut their bodies
> up. Evidence shows that his elderly mother, basically assumed who he
> worked for and what he did for a living because she called the VA(not sure
> what that is) so he could get treatment because she knew he was mentally
> unstable.
>
> Rogers has many known aliases; Richard Montoya, Carlos Robeson, Carlos
> Montoya, and Carlos Rojas.
>
> Not many people have read Chauncey Holt's full confession, for he died in
> 1997.
>
> Chauncey Holt drove Charles Nicoletti into Dallas. Holt knew Rogers as
> Richard Montoya. Robert Tosh Plumlee flew John Roselli into Dallas.
>
> Charles Harrelson also confessed, but later withdrew his confession. The
> only reason as to why he withdrew his confession was maybe he thought he
> wouldn't be convicted of his murders. How ironic is it that he confessed
> to being one of the JFK gunmen when he was arrested, and turns out Lois
> Gibson fingers him as the tall tramp, this is no coincidence.
>
> Other men who might have been involved, were members of Operation 40. The
> supervisor of Operation 40 was the one and only E Howard Hunt. Members of
> Operation 40 include Frank Sturgis, Luis Posada Carilles(known terrorist,
> CIA helped him escape from Venezuela prison), Felix Rodriguez
>
> Guess who Felix Rodriguez's controller was, the one and only George HW
> Bush!
>
> George HW Bush threatened FBI agent Zach Shelton with the loss of his job
> if Shelton's name ever came up in connection with the JFK assassination
> ever again. Zach Shelton was the one who received the tip on James Files
> aka James Sutton.
>
> I have no reason to believe the shooters were killed, after all, they were
> Professionals.
>
> If the CIA can kill the president, what makes you think that they can't
> organize an operation to crash airliners into the world trade centers and
> the pentagon?
>
> http://www.reopen911.org http://www.letsroll911.org
>
>
>
Paul Seaton
"Anonymous" <janderso...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Here are the pictures that blow the lid on the three tramps.
>
>
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> The three tramps were in fact Chauncey Holt, Charles Rogers, and Charles
> Harrelson.
They look suspiciously like Fred Astaire, Bob Hope & Bing Crosby to me...
--
Paul Seaton
John Fiorentino
Martin:
And with an eloquently lucid post such as this.......you are still a
believer in a conspiracy in this case?
Or, am I misinformed?
John F.
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John Hunt
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> "Anonymous" <janderso...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:2xtmf.256351$zb5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> Here are the pictures that blow the lid on the three tramps.
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>> The three tramps were in fact Chauncey Holt, Charles Rogers, and Charles
>> Harrelson.
>
> They look suspiciously like Fred Astaire, Bob Hope & Bing Crosby to me...
:-) !!! LOL!!
Leave it to Paul to stick one in there...
John
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reports had been found and that one or more would be interviewed on the
tab show, I was anxious to see if there was any resemblance to the
tramp photos.
My first reaction on seeing Doyle was "oh yeah, same features as
"Frenchy", but older". I am certain, and have never wavered, that Doyle
was Frenchy.
John Fiorentino
And with an eloquently lucid post such as this.......you are still a
believer in a conspiracy in this case?
Or, am I misinformed?
John F.
"Martin Shackelford" <msh...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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