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Ralph Cinque
May 11, 2014, 11:09:16 PM5/11/14
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Marcus Hanson
May 12, 2014, 10:32:43 AM5/12/14
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There are some problems with speculating that the photo is of LHO.
One - the hairline looks much too receded for it to be Oswald. There is
also no hint of a sideburn forward of the man's left ear. That is a
definite disconnect.
The hair seems too dark as well , but I am reluctant to make much of that
, in an old b&w shot.
Two - it looks more like 'Prayer Man'. Neither you nor I believe PM was
Oswald.
That said , PM appears to have his sleeves rolled up to his elbows ,
whereas this chap seems to have his shirt-sleeves all the way down. Of
course , nothing to stop 'Prayer Man' having rolled them down afterwards.
Three - probably the biggest problem , devoid of possible interpretation
bias and surely the deal-breaker :
Weren't the tramps,who are in this photo , arrested around 2:20pm? The
earliest time I have seen stated for their arrest is "about an hour" after
the assassination - maddeningly imprecise , but that is still far too late
to snap Oswald at the TSBD.
One - the hairline looks much too receded for it to be Oswald. There is
also no hint of a sideburn forward of the man's left ear. That is a
definite disconnect.
The hair seems too dark as well , but I am reluctant to make much of that
, in an old b&w shot.
Two - it looks more like 'Prayer Man'. Neither you nor I believe PM was
Oswald.
That said , PM appears to have his sleeves rolled up to his elbows ,
whereas this chap seems to have his shirt-sleeves all the way down. Of
course , nothing to stop 'Prayer Man' having rolled them down afterwards.
Three - probably the biggest problem , devoid of possible interpretation
bias and surely the deal-breaker :
Weren't the tramps,who are in this photo , arrested around 2:20pm? The
earliest time I have seen stated for their arrest is "about an hour" after
the assassination - maddeningly imprecise , but that is still far too late
to snap Oswald at the TSBD.
OHLeeRedux
May 12, 2014, 10:37:40 AM5/12/14
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Nonsense.
Ralph Cinque
May 12, 2014, 1:48:52 PM5/12/14
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It's funny how McAdams' missed it. He's got this image posted on his page
discussing the Three Tramps, but he didn't notice Oswald in the
background. Real observant.
http://tinypic.com/r/2rx75sy/8
There's much more to consider about this:
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/lets-consider-implications-of-this.html
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/there-is-another-way-of-looking-at-this.html
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/notice-on-oswald-on-left-relatively.html
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/blog-post.html
discussing the Three Tramps, but he didn't notice Oswald in the
background. Real observant.
http://tinypic.com/r/2rx75sy/8
There's much more to consider about this:
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/lets-consider-implications-of-this.html
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/there-is-another-way-of-looking-at-this.html
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/notice-on-oswald-on-left-relatively.html
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/blog-post.html
Ralph Cinque
May 12, 2014, 3:36:36 PM5/12/14
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Marcus, that image is way too crude to make such claims. You people crack
me up. When I want to claim things, it's always too blurry, too poor a
quality. Isn't that what Jason Burke keeps saying? Yet, you expect to
match hairlines and sideburns and hair color. It's ridiculous, Hanson. All
we can do is size up his major elements: his height, his size, his shirt.
And no, he doesn't look like Prayer Man. Prayer Man was stocky, with a
bull neck and a wide torso. He looked well fed. This guy looks THIN like
Oswald.
The only relevant point you made concerned the timing of the photo, but so
far, I haven't found any references to the exact time of the Three Tramps
photo. But, I'll grant you that it is a fair and legitimate question.
me up. When I want to claim things, it's always too blurry, too poor a
quality. Isn't that what Jason Burke keeps saying? Yet, you expect to
match hairlines and sideburns and hair color. It's ridiculous, Hanson. All
we can do is size up his major elements: his height, his size, his shirt.
And no, he doesn't look like Prayer Man. Prayer Man was stocky, with a
bull neck and a wide torso. He looked well fed. This guy looks THIN like
Oswald.
The only relevant point you made concerned the timing of the photo, but so
far, I haven't found any references to the exact time of the Three Tramps
photo. But, I'll grant you that it is a fair and legitimate question.
Jason Burke
May 12, 2014, 6:34:21 PM5/12/14
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Jason Burke
May 13, 2014, 12:47:17 AM5/13/14
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The image is way too crude to make ANY claims.
Say, didja find out just WHEN the picture was taken yet, Ralph? Gosh, I
hope it wasn't after, you know, LHO left the scene.
Walt
May 13, 2014, 12:48:04 AM5/13/14
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On Monday, May 12, 2014 9:32:43 AM UTC-5, Marcus Hanson wrote:
> There are some problems with speculating that the photo is of LHO.
>
>
>
> One - the hairline looks much too receded for it to be Oswald. There is
>
> also no hint of a sideburn forward of the man's left ear. That is a
>
> definite disconnect.
I agree with your observations, Marcus..... I'd say that man is Billy
> There are some problems with speculating that the photo is of LHO.
>
>
>
> One - the hairline looks much too receded for it to be Oswald. There is
>
> also no hint of a sideburn forward of the man's left ear. That is a
>
> definite disconnect.
Lovelady.
Walt
May 13, 2014, 12:48:11 AM5/13/14
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On Sunday, May 11, 2014 10:09:16 PM UTC-5, Ralph Cinque wrote:
> http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/dan-costa-on-lee-harvey-oswald-is.html
> http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/dan-costa-on-lee-harvey-oswald-is.html
Marcus Hanson
May 13, 2014, 12:49:49 AM5/13/14
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I stated that I would not want to make too much of a an old b&w photo on
the matter of =hair colour=. It's a quick , 'rough 'n ready'
observation , but based on the quality of the photo , it is a fair
observation.
As for the sideburn : come on ! If you are going to suggest that we can
see an ID bracelet on his wrist,then you should be objective and concede
that the point about the sideburn/no sideburn is at least as equally valid
, given that it is based on a section of the photo which is of greater
clarity than the figure's wrist.
Still , anthropological and photographic analysis arguments never seem to
elicit consensus , so let's keep cool,put them aside and focus on the
potential deal-breaker about the arrest time :
http://crossmap.christianpost.com/news/jfk-assassination-researcher-richard-e-sprague-do-3-tramps-hold-key-to-solving-jfk-murder-6654
What is his source for the time? I do not know. There might be something
in the officers' statements,but I have not seen any reports from DPD
officers which could resolve the issue.
A pity that William Allen's camera did not have a digital time-stamping
camera !
Tell you what,Ralph - I will stay to true to my magnanimity : if someone
in this NG cannot come up with a verifiable arrest time by the weekend,I
will put the question to others in an effort to nail this.
Meantime,it would be wise to mention the arrest time issue on your blog :
a verifiable late arrest time alone would prove that it was not Oswald.
You believe,as do I,that LHO took a bus and a cab : this means,for your
figure to be Oswald,that the three tramps had to be marched through DP
within, at most,ten minutes of the assassination.
Steve Barber
May 13, 2014, 3:21:46 AM5/13/14
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Ralph.
Ralph Cinque
May 13, 2014, 3:23:02 AM5/13/14
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I don't know. "Shortly after the assassination" is all I know.
bpete1969
May 13, 2014, 3:23:22 AM5/13/14
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Oswald was long gone by the time that photo was taken.
Jason Burke
May 13, 2014, 10:07:56 AM5/13/14
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Mark OBLAZNEY
May 13, 2014, 10:09:10 AM5/13/14
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Ralph Cinque
May 13, 2014, 12:32:16 PM5/13/14
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Look: that guy looks like AND is dressed like Oswald. Now, maybe to you
people, three guys who looked the same and dressed the same at the TSBD on
that day presents no problem. But, it's a problem to me. Here's my latest
take on it. Like it or not, this one is staying on the table.
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/its-about-time.html
people, three guys who looked the same and dressed the same at the TSBD on
that day presents no problem. But, it's a problem to me. Here's my latest
take on it. Like it or not, this one is staying on the table.
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/its-about-time.html
Mike
May 13, 2014, 5:17:03 PM5/13/14
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picture of the 3 tramps was taken.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/sawyer_j.htm
Jason Burke
May 13, 2014, 5:17:24 PM5/13/14
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Nice language too, Ralph!
Robin Unger
May 13, 2014, 5:18:10 PM5/13/14
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Timeline
the shadows on the ground are a dead give away.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/212070865635250/
Richard Hooke quote:
I am not going to waste any more time on this; Ralph, you, once again are
wasting everybody's time on stuff debunked years ago
Robin Unger
May 13, 2014, 5:22:13 PM5/13/14
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quote:
November 22, 1963, about 90 minutes after the assassination.
Original black and white photographic negative taken by Dallas Times
Herald staff photographer William Allen. This image shows three men (front
to back, Harold Doyle, John Gedney, and Gus Abrams, who is hidden behind
John Gedney) being escorted to the Sheriff's office by Dallas Police
officers, Marvin Wise in the front and Billy Bass in the rear, on November
22, 1963, about 90 minutes after the assassination.
http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/mURI_temp_0b608d71.jpg
What else happened 90 minutes after the assassination ? ( 2:00PM )
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ihqvhREuQPA/UtDydz5E-tI/AAAAAAAAAyc/sNE9motVUM0/s1600/_FOUR+DAYS+IN+NOVEMBER_+%25281964+DAVID+L.+WOLPER+FILM%2529.gif
Ralph Cinque
May 13, 2014, 7:55:28 PM5/13/14
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Gee, Unger, as a photographic expert, I should think you would know that
shadows cast on Houston Street would be different from shadows cast on Elm
Street, considering that there was a 120 degree horseshoe turn between the
two.
This blog addresses all the objections that have been raised here:
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/its-about-time.html
Bottom line: that guy looks like and is dressed like Oswald, and he was
standing in the same spot that Oswald stood just a few minutes before,
well inside the domain of the TSBD. I said: his bodily features and his
wardrobe match Oswald superbly. That is compelling. It is more compelling
than anything you people are saying. If he wasn't Oswald, who was he?
shadows cast on Houston Street would be different from shadows cast on Elm
Street, considering that there was a 120 degree horseshoe turn between the
two.
This blog addresses all the objections that have been raised here:
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/its-about-time.html
Bottom line: that guy looks like and is dressed like Oswald, and he was
standing in the same spot that Oswald stood just a few minutes before,
well inside the domain of the TSBD. I said: his bodily features and his
wardrobe match Oswald superbly. That is compelling. It is more compelling
than anything you people are saying. If he wasn't Oswald, who was he?
Marcus Hanson
May 13, 2014, 7:57:16 PM5/13/14
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Yes,I was wondering if the shadows could be used as a time-stamp . Thank
you.
Further,the crowds in DP have thinned out,so that too suggests a point
long after Oswald left the scene.
Not unreasonable to wonder who the man is,but we can be certain it was not
LHO.
you.
Further,the crowds in DP have thinned out,so that too suggests a point
long after Oswald left the scene.
Not unreasonable to wonder who the man is,but we can be certain it was not
LHO.
Jason Burke
May 14, 2014, 3:34:10 PM5/14/14
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My guess is that he was Jackie Gleason. I'm sure our buddy Charnin could
chime in with the probabilities.
Actually, it's MORE like likely that that fellow was Jackie Gleason than
it was Lee Harvey Oswald.
I'll let it sink in. Someday you'll realize why.
Marcus Hanson
May 14, 2014, 3:36:50 PM5/14/14
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I have just had a reply about the tramps' arrest time from a researcher.
He's a CT , I'm an LN - yet,as I just found out,we share the same
birthday. I suppose I will have to ask an astrologer to explain that one !
:-) Or maybe just put it down to yet another JFK assassination
coincidence.....
OK,putting the levity to one side,here's what he told me :
1)DPD radio dispatches show that the railroad yard was searched at 2pm.
(P.59 of Weberman and Canfield's "Coup d'Etat).
2)I thought that only William Allen of the Dallas Times Herald had
photographed the tramps.
I stand corrected:apparently,George Smith of the Fort Worth Star Telegram
photographed them,too.
Why is that significant? Mr.Smith did not get to the Plaza until 2:15pm.
Much too late for it to be Oswald.
The documentation for his photos,I am told,can be found on pps 550-551 of
Richard Trask's "Pictures of the Pain."
Who IS the man in the photo,then ? Maybe it is Lovelady. Or maybe someone
else. If it's taken 1 1/2 to 2 hours after the assassination,it doesn't
matter.
Bottom line,though : it's not Oswald.
He's a CT , I'm an LN - yet,as I just found out,we share the same
birthday. I suppose I will have to ask an astrologer to explain that one !
:-) Or maybe just put it down to yet another JFK assassination
coincidence.....
OK,putting the levity to one side,here's what he told me :
1)DPD radio dispatches show that the railroad yard was searched at 2pm.
(P.59 of Weberman and Canfield's "Coup d'Etat).
2)I thought that only William Allen of the Dallas Times Herald had
photographed the tramps.
I stand corrected:apparently,George Smith of the Fort Worth Star Telegram
photographed them,too.
Why is that significant? Mr.Smith did not get to the Plaza until 2:15pm.
Much too late for it to be Oswald.
The documentation for his photos,I am told,can be found on pps 550-551 of
Richard Trask's "Pictures of the Pain."
Who IS the man in the photo,then ? Maybe it is Lovelady. Or maybe someone
else. If it's taken 1 1/2 to 2 hours after the assassination,it doesn't
matter.
Bottom line,though : it's not Oswald.
Robin Unger
May 14, 2014, 10:34:31 PM5/14/14
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On Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:06:50 AM UTC+9:30, Marcus Hanson wrote:
> I have just had a reply about the tramps' arrest time from a researcher.
>
> He's a CT , I'm an LN - yet,as I just found out,we share the same
>
> birthday. I suppose I will have to ask an astrologer to explain that one !
>
> :-) Or maybe just put it down to yet another JFK assassination
>
> coincidence.....
>
>
>
> OK,putting the levity to one side,here's what he told me :
>
>
>
> 1)DPD radio dispatches show that the railroad yard was searched at 2pm.
>
> (P.59 of Weberman and Canfield's "Coup d'Etat).
>
>
>
> 2)I thought that only William Allen of the Dallas Times Herald had
>
> photographed the tramps.
>
>
>
> I stand corrected:apparently,George Smith of the Fort Worth Star Telegram
>
> photographed them,too.
>
>
Jack Beers photo
> I have just had a reply about the tramps' arrest time from a researcher.
>
> He's a CT , I'm an LN - yet,as I just found out,we share the same
>
> birthday. I suppose I will have to ask an astrologer to explain that one !
>
> :-) Or maybe just put it down to yet another JFK assassination
>
> coincidence.....
>
>
>
> OK,putting the levity to one side,here's what he told me :
>
>
>
> 1)DPD radio dispatches show that the railroad yard was searched at 2pm.
>
> (P.59 of Weberman and Canfield's "Coup d'Etat).
>
>
>
> 2)I thought that only William Allen of the Dallas Times Herald had
>
> photographed the tramps.
>
>
>
> I stand corrected:apparently,George Smith of the Fort Worth Star Telegram
>
> photographed them,too.
>
>
http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/pojfkwhiteslides10051.jpg
Ralph Cinque
May 14, 2014, 10:40:49 PM5/14/14
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There is contrary evidence to what you're claiming.
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/this-is-important-document-that-dan.html
Listen up: Either it was Oswald OR it was an Oswald look-alike who was
planted there. That's where we stand now. My thanks to one Juliette.
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/juliette-de-la-bretoniere-has-just-come.html
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/this-is-important-document-that-dan.html
Listen up: Either it was Oswald OR it was an Oswald look-alike who was
planted there. That's where we stand now. My thanks to one Juliette.
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/juliette-de-la-bretoniere-has-just-come.html
Marcus Hanson
May 15, 2014, 10:16:29 AM5/15/14
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On Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:34:31 PM UTC+10, Robin Unger wrote:
> Jack Beers photo
>
>
>
> http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/pojfkwhiteslides10051.jpg
Cheers Robin.
> Jack Beers photo
>
>
>
> http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/pojfkwhiteslides10051.jpg
Here is yet more-not from the researcher I mentioned,but from a 1999
article by Gary Mack :
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth45392/m1/27/sizes/
So we see that Richard Trask found a negative,with the TSBD Hertz clock
timestamping the photos at 2:19pm.
And that Greg Jaynes' experiment in 1997 supported that time.
The theory - or ,if one prefers,the rash assertion - that Oswald is in the
photo has been thoroughly de-bunked.
Ralph Cinque
May 15, 2014, 6:05:31 PM5/15/14
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That may mean a lot to you but not to me. If the picture showed the top of
the building and we could see the time on the Hertz clock, that would
impress me more.
But know this: if that guy wasn't Oswald, then he was an Oswald double,
with all that that implies.
the building and we could see the time on the Hertz clock, that would
impress me more.
But know this: if that guy wasn't Oswald, then he was an Oswald double,
with all that that implies.
bpete1969
May 15, 2014, 9:14:35 PM5/15/14
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default position.
By the way...I heard you call doorman Lovelady and then I heard Fetzer
correct you.
Spin another one.
Jason Burke
May 15, 2014, 10:19:41 PM5/15/14
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Face it.
All the pictures were faked.
All the videos were faked.
All the people in DP were faked.
Kennedy is alive!
Mark OBLAZNEY
May 16, 2014, 11:19:11 AM5/16/14
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everyone and everything. I submit that there should be another grand jury
investigation into President Kennedy's murder, perhaps to coincide with
the release of remaining files in the autumn of 2017. Start planning,
both sides.... now.
Walt
May 16, 2014, 11:38:57 AM5/16/14
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taken long after Lee had left the area is solid proof that it can't
possibly be Lee Oswald in this photo. And since you insist that he's
dressed exactly like Doorway man in the Altgen's photo then the conclusion
has to be that Doorway man is not Lee Oswald.
Anthony Marsh
May 16, 2014, 4:40:32 PM5/16/14
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On 5/16/2014 11:19 AM, Mark OBLAZNEY wrote:
> On Friday, May 16, 2014 4:19:41 AM UTC+2, Jason Burke wrote:
>> On 5/15/2014 3:05 PM, Ralph Cinque wrote:
>>
>>> That may mean a lot to you but not to me. If the picture showed the top of
>>
>>> the building and we could see the time on the Hertz clock, that would
>>
>>> impress me more.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> But know this: if that guy wasn't Oswald, then he was an Oswald double,
>>
>>> with all that that implies.
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ralph.
>>
>> Face it.
>>
>> All the pictures were faked.
>>
>> All the videos were faked.
>>
>> All the people in DP were faked.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kennedy is alive!
>
> Yes, and we all indulge in this ghoulish business of re-digging up
> everyone and everything. I submit that there should be another grand jury
ANother? Tell me about the first grand jury.
> On Friday, May 16, 2014 4:19:41 AM UTC+2, Jason Burke wrote:
>> On 5/15/2014 3:05 PM, Ralph Cinque wrote:
>>
>>> That may mean a lot to you but not to me. If the picture showed the top of
>>
>>> the building and we could see the time on the Hertz clock, that would
>>
>>> impress me more.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> But know this: if that guy wasn't Oswald, then he was an Oswald double,
>>
>>> with all that that implies.
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ralph.
>>
>> Face it.
>>
>> All the pictures were faked.
>>
>> All the videos were faked.
>>
>> All the people in DP were faked.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kennedy is alive!
>
> Yes, and we all indulge in this ghoulish business of re-digging up
> everyone and everything. I submit that there should be another grand jury
Ralph Cinque
May 16, 2014, 9:24:38 PM5/16/14
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Walt, are you trying to say that HE, this other guy, is Doorway Man
because he's dressed exactly like him? But, Oswald is also dressed exactly
like Doorway Man.
http://tinypic.com/r/30hngc6/8
All 3 are dressed the same and look the same, in both the man and the
clothing. There are no disconnects among them; none.
So, what's your explanation for that, Walt?
Who is that other guy? What's he doing there? Where is he from? How come
he hasn't been identified by now? It's only been 50 years. How could he
possibly look so much like Oswald, including in his very clothes? And why
does he look equally as much like Doorman? Freaky, isn't it?
You should try to find answers to the questions, Walt. They have to be
tackled by all those with an honest bent.
because he's dressed exactly like him? But, Oswald is also dressed exactly
like Doorway Man.
http://tinypic.com/r/30hngc6/8
All 3 are dressed the same and look the same, in both the man and the
clothing. There are no disconnects among them; none.
So, what's your explanation for that, Walt?
Who is that other guy? What's he doing there? Where is he from? How come
he hasn't been identified by now? It's only been 50 years. How could he
possibly look so much like Oswald, including in his very clothes? And why
does he look equally as much like Doorman? Freaky, isn't it?
You should try to find answers to the questions, Walt. They have to be
tackled by all those with an honest bent.
Mark OBLAZNEY
May 16, 2014, 11:44:31 PM5/16/14
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incident.
Jason Burke
May 16, 2014, 11:47:34 PM5/16/14
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On 5/11/2014 8:09 PM, Ralph Cinque wrote:
> http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/dan-costa-on-lee-harvey-oswald-is.html
>
Yo, Ralph!
Figured out that your "dude" is a chick yet?
> http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/dan-costa-on-lee-harvey-oswald-is.html
>
Yo, Ralph!
Figured out that your "dude" is a chick yet?
Jason Burke
May 17, 2014, 12:23:49 AM5/17/14
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Try to look at something other than one 36 DPI picture before you go
spouting off.
Mark OBLAZNEY
May 17, 2014, 1:45:55 PM5/17/14
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discovered? Shirley, you must be joking !!!
Ralph Cinque
May 17, 2014, 1:47:36 PM5/17/14
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Jason Burke, is the ultimate slinger of "don't try to examine the photos
because they're too blurry" but like the others who say it, he thinks it
only applies to me. He and his pals have got x-ray vision and can see
anything. Now he thinks he sees that this man is a woman.
http://tinypic.com/r/e718qa/8
Evidence he's a man: square shoulders, short manly haircut, wearing a
shirt, wearing pants, being VERY lean, (You see, Dr. Burke, women have
more body fat), having not the slightest hint of womanly hips.
The only question is how long before Burke admonishes against making
claims about the images due to blurriness. I give him about three days.
because they're too blurry" but like the others who say it, he thinks it
only applies to me. He and his pals have got x-ray vision and can see
anything. Now he thinks he sees that this man is a woman.
http://tinypic.com/r/e718qa/8
Evidence he's a man: square shoulders, short manly haircut, wearing a
shirt, wearing pants, being VERY lean, (You see, Dr. Burke, women have
more body fat), having not the slightest hint of womanly hips.
The only question is how long before Burke admonishes against making
claims about the images due to blurriness. I give him about three days.
Walt
May 17, 2014, 1:59:43 PM5/17/14
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On Friday, May 16, 2014 8:24:38 PM UTC-5, Ralph Cinque wrote:
> Walt, are you trying to say that HE, this other guy, is Doorway Man
>
> because he's dressed exactly like him? But, Oswald is also dressed exactly
>
> like Doorway Man.
>
>
>
> http://tinypic.com/r/30hngc6/8
>
>
>
>
>
> All 3 are dressed the same and look the same, in both the man and the
>
> clothing. There are no disconnects among them; none.
>
>
>
> So, what's your explanation for that, Walt?
>
>
>
> Who is that other guy?
Billy Lovelady.....
> Walt, are you trying to say that HE, this other guy, is Doorway Man
>
> because he's dressed exactly like him? But, Oswald is also dressed exactly
>
> like Doorway Man.
>
>
>
> http://tinypic.com/r/30hngc6/8
>
>
>
>
>
> All 3 are dressed the same and look the same, in both the man and the
>
> clothing. There are no disconnects among them; none.
>
>
>
> So, what's your explanation for that, Walt?
>
>
>
> Who is that other guy?
What's he doing there?
Where is he from?
I believe he was from Dallas....
How come he hasn't been identified by now?
and the casr was closed.
Ralph Cinque
May 17, 2014, 7:49:55 PM5/17/14
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Walt, this guy could not possibly be Billy Lovelady. Lovelady left the
entrance almost immediately after the shooting. He and Bill Shelley saw
Baker climbing the steps from down the block, and that happened about 20
seconds after the last shot.
Then the two of them went as far as the first railroad track. Then they
returned and re-entered the TSBD through the back door. Then they were in
there for a long time- until it was time to go to City Hall.
So, there is no way that this guy could be Lovelady. And nobody has ever
claimed that he was Lovelady.
http://tinypic.com/r/e718qa/8
Did I stress enough that there is NO CHANCE that he's Lovelady? That's
zilch, nada, nunca, zero, zed, niente.
entrance almost immediately after the shooting. He and Bill Shelley saw
Baker climbing the steps from down the block, and that happened about 20
seconds after the last shot.
Then the two of them went as far as the first railroad track. Then they
returned and re-entered the TSBD through the back door. Then they were in
there for a long time- until it was time to go to City Hall.
So, there is no way that this guy could be Lovelady. And nobody has ever
claimed that he was Lovelady.
http://tinypic.com/r/e718qa/8
Did I stress enough that there is NO CHANCE that he's Lovelady? That's
zilch, nada, nunca, zero, zed, niente.
Jason Burke
May 17, 2014, 7:53:22 PM5/17/14
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Jason Burke
May 17, 2014, 10:34:54 PM5/17/14
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On 5/17/2014 10:47 AM, Ralph Cinque wrote:
> Jason Burke, is the ultimate slinger of "don't try to examine the photos
> because they're too blurry" but like the others who say it, he thinks it
> only applies to me. He and his pals have got x-ray vision and can see
> anything. Now he thinks he sees that this man is a woman.
>
> http://tinypic.com/r/e718qa/8
>
>
> Evidence he's a man: square shoulders, short manly haircut, wearing a
> shirt, wearing pants, being VERY lean, (You see, Dr. Burke, women have
> more body fat), having not the slightest hint of womanly hips.
>
> The only question is how long before Burke admonishes against making
> claims about the images due to blurriness. I give him about three days.
>
>
It's beyond ludicrous that you think you can make ANYTHING out in the
> Jason Burke, is the ultimate slinger of "don't try to examine the photos
> because they're too blurry" but like the others who say it, he thinks it
> only applies to me. He and his pals have got x-ray vision and can see
> anything. Now he thinks he sees that this man is a woman.
>
> http://tinypic.com/r/e718qa/8
>
>
> Evidence he's a man: square shoulders, short manly haircut, wearing a
> shirt, wearing pants, being VERY lean, (You see, Dr. Burke, women have
> more body fat), having not the slightest hint of womanly hips.
>
> The only question is how long before Burke admonishes against making
> claims about the images due to blurriness. I give him about three days.
>
>
background of a 36 DPI reproduction of a photo, Ralph.
Time to get another hobby, Ralph. You've utterly failed at this one.
Robin Unger
May 17, 2014, 10:35:11 PM5/17/14
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On Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:29:43 AM UTC+9:30, Walt wrote:
> On Friday, May 16, 2014 8:24:38 PM UTC-5, Ralph Cinque wrote:
>
> > Walt, are you trying to say that HE, this other guy, is Doorway Man
>
> >
>
> > because he's dressed exactly like him? But, Oswald is also dressed exactly
>
> >
>
> > like Doorway Man.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://tinypic.com/r/30hngc6/8
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > All 3 are dressed the same and look the same, in both the man and the
>
> >
>
> > clothing. There are no disconnects among them; none.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > So, what's your explanation for that, Walt?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Who is that other guy?
>
>
>
> Billy Lovelady.....
>
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HR2rRUflWlk/U3fVpRyAVMI/AAAAAAAABUs/K5mchpsb7Io/s1600/Image55.jpg
> On Friday, May 16, 2014 8:24:38 PM UTC-5, Ralph Cinque wrote:
>
> > Walt, are you trying to say that HE, this other guy, is Doorway Man
>
> >
>
> > because he's dressed exactly like him? But, Oswald is also dressed exactly
>
> >
>
> > like Doorway Man.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://tinypic.com/r/30hngc6/8
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > All 3 are dressed the same and look the same, in both the man and the
>
> >
>
> > clothing. There are no disconnects among them; none.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > So, what's your explanation for that, Walt?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Who is that other guy?
>
>
>
> Billy Lovelady.....
>
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ihqvhREuQPA/UtDydz5E-tI/AAAAAAAAAyc/sNE9motVUM0/s1600/_FOUR+DAYS+IN+NOVEMBER_+%25281964+DAVID+L.+WOLPER+FILM%2529.gif
Jason Burke
May 17, 2014, 10:38:12 PM5/17/14
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On 5/17/2014 10:47 AM, Ralph Cinque wrote:
> Jason Burke, is the ultimate slinger of "don't try to examine the photos
> because they're too blurry" but like the others who say it, he thinks it
> only applies to me. He and his pals have got x-ray vision and can see
> anything. Now he thinks he sees that this man is a woman.
>
> http://tinypic.com/r/e718qa/8
Ralph, Ralph, Ralph.
> because they're too blurry" but like the others who say it, he thinks it
> only applies to me. He and his pals have got x-ray vision and can see
> anything. Now he thinks he sees that this man is a woman.
>
> http://tinypic.com/r/e718qa/8
Buy a clue. That picture is too low resolution to figure out anything.
Here's a hint. Look at some OTHER pictures taken at the same time and
see what's there. I realize that this is too much like actual research
for you, but give it a try.
Then maybe you won't look so foolish.
Though that appears to be your goal. And you're doing a dang good job at
it.
>
>
> Evidence he's a man: square shoulders, short manly haircut,
> wearing a
> shirt, wearing pants, being VERY lean, (You see, Dr. Burke, women have
> more body fat), having not the slightest hint of womanly hips.
Your picture is too resolution to make out ANYTHING.
In Ralph-land, that means you can make whatever you want out of it.
>
> The only question is how long before Burke admonishes against making
> claims about the images due to blurriness. I give him about three days.
>
You've been making yourself look foolish - each and every time - for
about three years now.
Jason Burke
May 17, 2014, 11:13:30 PM5/17/14
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and reality, doesn't it, Ralph?
Ralph Cinque
May 18, 2014, 9:07:03 AM5/18/14
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The point, as I explained to you, Unger, is that at least Walt got the
gender right, which is more than I can say for you. And Lovelady was never
at that desk. It was faked. And it's not hard to get people to see it.
I've got a whole Facebook crowd that recognizes it.
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-reason-why-they-started-with-this.html
gender right, which is more than I can say for you. And Lovelady was never
at that desk. It was faked. And it's not hard to get people to see it.
I've got a whole Facebook crowd that recognizes it.
http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-reason-why-they-started-with-this.html
Kleep Klopp
May 19, 2014, 12:27:12 AM5/19/14
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fatol...@gmail.com
May 19, 2014, 2:40:06 PM5/19/14
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That coat rack/clock is the weirdest damn thing in the whole
assassination.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nbkJTM9rgjo/U3m7laG0pfI/AAAAAAAADbs/VJiJSmUEX20/w702-h526-no/CoatRackClock.jpg
Try finding another one like it! And there it is, in the offices of the
Dallas Police, telling us that it is two o'clock as they march Oswald past
it.
assassination.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nbkJTM9rgjo/U3m7laG0pfI/AAAAAAAADbs/VJiJSmUEX20/w702-h526-no/CoatRackClock.jpg
Try finding another one like it! And there it is, in the offices of the
Dallas Police, telling us that it is two o'clock as they march Oswald past
it.
Ralph Cinque
May 19, 2014, 8:05:58 PM5/19/14
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Way to go, fatol. I like that point about the weird clock, and I like your
other point about it looking like a painted-on shirt on Oswald. I am using
them both and crediting you. Muchas gracias, or as they say in Russian,
Spa-cee-ba. I learned Russian on my trip to Japan.
other point about it looking like a painted-on shirt on Oswald. I am using
them both and crediting you. Muchas gracias, or as they say in Russian,
Spa-cee-ba. I learned Russian on my trip to Japan.
Mark OBLAZNEY
May 20, 2014, 3:59:31 PM5/20/14
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BT George
May 20, 2014, 7:55:23 PM5/20/14
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Jason Burke
May 20, 2014, 11:49:28 PM5/20/14
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On 5/17/2014 10:47 AM, Ralph Cinque wrote:
> Jason Burke, is the ultimate slinger of "don't try to examine the photos
> because they're too blurry" but like the others who say it, he thinks it
> only applies to me. He and his pals have got x-ray vision and can see
> anything. Now he thinks he sees that this man is a woman.
>
What are you talking about, Ralph?
> because they're too blurry" but like the others who say it, he thinks it
> only applies to me. He and his pals have got x-ray vision and can see
> anything. Now he thinks he sees that this man is a woman.
>
Face it, other photos / video at the same tome show it's a woman.
You've really gone off the deep end this time, Ralph.
> http://tinypic.com/r/e718qa/8
>
>
> Evidence he's a man: square shoulders, short manly haircut, wearing a
> shirt, wearing pants, being VERY lean, (You see, Dr. Burke, women have
> more body fat), having not the slightest hint of womanly hips.
>
> The only question is how long before Burke admonishes against making
> claims about the images due to blurriness. I give him about three days.
>
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