zapruder frame 317 - enlarged
bobr
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/1521/frame317enlarged.jpg
Jason Burke
> zapruder frame 317 - enlarged
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> http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/1521/frame317enlarged.jpg
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And, of course, there's also an explosion of light on JBC's forehead.
Guess he took on in the forehead for the team also, huh?
bigdog
It is hilarious how bobr continues to ignore the fact that the
backward head snap began at Z314, not Z317. He won't even acknowledge
that the issue has even been raised. He has ignored it everytime I've
pointed it out to him. It sounds like he has been working on this
theory for decades and having the head snap begin at Z314 pretty much
blows his theory of a Z317 shot out of the water. 20 years of research
down the drain.
WBurg...@aol.com
> zapruder frame 317 - enlarged
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> http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/1521/frame317enlarged.jpg
Quadrilateral black alteration clearly evident over BOH wound.
Sandy McCroskey
Ha ha ha. Do you have any idea how low-res these images are?
There are similar black patches elsewhere in this frame. Gee, why was one
placed over JFK's side? On the sleeve of his jacket? You may notice now
(or you may not, but other people will) that these are all places covered
in shadow. Real shadows, like the sun makes. Seen the sun lately?
/sandy
bobr
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Step through this video one slide at at time. The bullet at 317 is the
bullet that killed him. He was still alive until then.
Step through one frame at a time. zapruder did move his camera but you
can still see that jfk's movements become exagerated and he becomes
lifeless after frame 317.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvtpjHyhEPg
bigdog
> On Aug 13, 12:14 pm, Sandy McCroskey <gwmccros...@earthlink.net>
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> > On Aug 13, 2:13 am, WBurgha...@aol.com wrote:
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> > > On Aug 12, 5:53 pm, bobr <neok...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > zapruder frame 317 - enlarged
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> > > >http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/1521/frame317enlarged.jpg
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> > > Quadrilateral black alteration clearly evident over BOH wound.
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> > Ha ha ha. Do you have any idea how low-res these images are?
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> > There are similar black patches elsewhere in this frame. Gee, why was one
> > placed over JFK's side? On the sleeve of his jacket? You may notice now
> > (or you may not, but other people will) that these are all places covered
> > in shadow. Real shadows, like the sun makes. Seen the sun lately?
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> > /sandy
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> Step through this video one slide at at time. The bullet at 317 is the
> bullet that killed him. He was still alive until then.
He was going, going, gone at that point.
> Step through one frame at a time. zapruder did move his camera but you
> can still see that jfk's movements become exagerated and he becomes
> lifeless after frame 317.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvtpjHyhEPg-
>
Not quite. He made one dramatic lurch backward beginning at Z314 which
lasted for about a half second before his body went limp and he fell
over to his left.
bobr
His body went limp after frame 317. His leftward movement started at 317.
Until then his movement was rearward. I will accept that a reaction to the
first bullet caused him to move rearward, but it was his reaction to the
second shot that pushed his body left.
timstter
That is quite absurd! He was a dead man after the headshot at 313. In
fact, there is a fair argument to say he wouldn't have survived the
SBT shot, given his medical history and the damage it did to him.
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
WBurg...@aol.com
You are way behind on your research Sandy, assuming you do any. Ever
hear of Homer McMahon? Probaby not. How sad.Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha, Wake
up my friend.
Burgundy
bobr
He was still alive at frame 317.
Sandy McCroskey
I'm aware of this whole crackpot argument. The looniness of the argument
that the Z-film had been altered, the sheer insanity of the book by
Fetzer, was one thing that got me interested in studying the way people
can continue to believe things that all evidence and rationality says are
untrue.
Anybody can see those are shadows. There's nothing anomalous about that
frame.
/sm
John Blubaugh
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What SBT shot? The one that never happened?
JB
bigdog
This reminds me of the loonies who saw the sunlight reflecting off
Kellerman's head as a gun in the hand of Greer. Come to think of it, I
haven't heard the Greer-shot-JFK theory in a long time. Apparently it
is more interesting for the CTs if they keep coming up with new
theories. You'd think if they ever came up with a good one, they would
stick with it.
Jason Burke
But BD, we all know they can't. Except in Blubaugh's mind, maybe. Bad
government. Bad.
Ya think when the commission were sitting around smoking cigars looking
at the final report one on 'em said:
"Gosh, 50 years from now there'll STILL be whackjobs flailing away
trying to prove us wrong."
timstter
You don't believe that the bullet that hit him at Z313 was a mortal
wound?
You feel someone could survive such a wound?
Amazed Regards,
Anthony Marsh
That's EXACTLY what the staff said in internal memos.
timstter
The one that caused JFK to go into a Thorburn Position.
You never heard of this shot? Maybe you need to read up a bit on the
Kennedy assassination.
Helpful Regards,
bobr
The shot on frame 313 , from above and behind, forced jfk's head down,
forward and slightly to the left. The reaction was for the head to move
up, and the body to move rearward and to the right. The shot from the
knoll, to his left temporal lobe, caused him to move leftward and that is
the shot that knocked him over in the seat.
John Blubaugh
I've read about it but it has been debunked completely. Oh, JFK was
certainly hit but not with the same bullet that wounded the Governor.
JB
bigdog
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Just because JFK and JBC reacted at exactly the same time and JBC was
directly in the path of a bullet exiting from JFK's throat is no
reason to believe they were hit with the same bullet.
John Blubaugh
> directly in the path of a bullet exiting from JFK's throat is no
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The problem with all of that is the trajectory of that bullet. It should
have been coming at a downward angle but it entered JFK's back and exited
his throat on an upward angle. It just doesn't jive with where JBC was
hit. No one but a few hard core nutters believe this crap any more.
JB
bigdog
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No, the bullet did not exit on an upward angle and anyone with a basic
understanding of the human anatomy can figure that out. All one has to
do is compare the autopsy photo showing the entrance wound on JFK's
back with the the profile photo of JFK laying on the table. The
entrance wound is just a few inches lower than the creases at the base
of JFK's neck and those creases can be seen in the profile photo and
they are considerably higher than the tracheotomy wound.
Anthony Marsh
More nonsense. You are not a forensic pathologist. The HSCA medical
panel was composed of the top forensic pathologists.