JFK - From Parkland To Bethesda

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The Education Forum


"JFK - From Parkland To Bethesda" book by Vince Palamara
By Denny Zartman, November 7, 2016 in JFK Assassination Debate
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/23188-jfk-from-parkland-to-bethesda-book-by-vince-palamara/
It’s an excellent book, Vince. I’ve already dog-eared and marked it up as much as any JFK book I own, and likely more.

I had been working a little on breaking down some of the Dealey Plaza witness testimony, so I really appreciate the opportunity to do similar research regarding the medical witnesses. Your book seems to the best resource for complete guidance on that topic.

When trying to investigate the JFK assassination as a crime, I feel the need to step back and try to see the big picture if possible. So many books reference witnesses with “some say”, “many say”, “most say” and the like. There’s always part of me that wonders exactly how many witnesses say X or Y or Z, and if it’s even possible to calculate those numbers.

REVISED and UPDATED Nov 12, 2016

This list should comprise all known individuals who were, in Vince’s words “The doctors, nurses, and sundry other people who were in some way connected to the emergency treatment of President Kennedy in Dallas Texas on November 22, 1963”

Many names have no useful information regarding JFK’s wounds, so I have later tried to break down into numbers the opinions of those who did comment on the location of specific injuries.

There is occasional difficulty in adding things up because some witnesses later went on to change their stories. Others describe multiple wounds and wounds in different areas of the head.

This analysis focuses primarily on the location(s) and nature of wounds on Kennedy’s skull and anterior neck.

These are the 5 characteristics that I tried to spotlight:

Was there a head wound located in the occipital area (lower back of the skull) or the occipital parietal (referred to here as “Occipital right”, meaning the right side of the occipital area including some of the adjoining parietal area)?

Was the wound in the temporal (the right side of the skull over the ear)?

Was the head wound tangential (bullet striking the side, entering and exiting in the same wound)?

Did the anterior neck wound (front of the throat just below Adam’s apple) have the appearance of an entrance or exit wound?

Was cerebellum (brain from the lower back of the skull) seen?

If there is no record of statements or expressed opinion on these six specific questions, I’ve noted “no info.” (That shouldn’t be interpreted as saying those labeled “no info” don’t have useful information on other subjects of interest.)

I tried to minimize errors as much as possible, but I’m sure there are some. If anyone spots any, please let me know and I’ll correct them.

The numbering of names on these following lists do NOT correspond to the numbering of names in the book.

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BASIC INDEX OF NAMES, OCCUPATIONS (when applicable), AND OBSERVATIONS

DOCTORS

Clark, Dr. William Kemp – Chief neurosurgeon: Occipital right, throat wound entrance, saw cerebellum possible tangential
Perry, Dr. Malcolm Oliver – Attending surgeon: Occipital right, throat wound entrance, saw cerebellum, possible tangential
McClelland, Dr. Robert Nelson – Attending surgeon: Occipital right, throat wound entrance, believes in frontal shot
Jenkins, Dr. Marion Thomas – Chief Anesthesiologist: Temporal, Occipital right then later changed story, throat wound entrance, tangential, saw cerebellum then later changed story
Carrico, Dr. Charles James – Resident Surgeon: Occipital right, later changed story to top right, throat wound entrance, saw cerebellum
Jones, Dr. Ronald Coy - Chief Resident Surgeon: Occipital right, throat wound entrance
Akin, Dr. Gene Coleman (aka Solomon Ben Israel) - Resident Anesthesiologist: Occipital right, tangential, throat wound entrance
Peters, Dr. Paul Conrad – Urologist: Occipital, Occipital right, throat wound entrance, saw cerebellum
Crenshaw, Dr. Charles A. – Resident Surgeon: Occipital right, throat wound entrance, saw cerebellum
Baxter, Dr. Charles Rufus – Attending Surgeon: Temporal, occipital right, tangential, waffled on throat wound entrance, said head wound was so far in the back as not to be visible from looking at JFK’s head from the front
Grossman, Dr. Robert G. – Resident Neurosurgeon: Reported seeing TWO WOUNDS – One on temporal and a second wound on occipital, also described a skin flap on right side of head
Dulany, Dr. Richard Brooks – Resident Surgeon: Occipital, couldn’t see much until head was picked up, later indicated wound was on the top rear of JFK’s head
Giesecke, Dr. Adolph Hartung, Jr. – Anesthesiologist: Only saw JFK briefly before moving to Governor John Connally. Describes the side of JFK’s head gone, but says it was the left-hand side. Later admitted error. Occipital but later changed position.
Bashour, Dr. Fouad A. – Chief Cardiologist: Occipital
Curtis, Dr. Don Teel – Resident Oral Surgeon: Temporal, later tangential and occipital right, thought head wound was an exit wound
Williams, Dr. Phillip Earle – Intern: Occipital right, saw cerebellum
Hunt, Dr. Jackie Hansen – Anesthesiologist: Did not see back of head but heard occipital wound described, specifically did NOT see a temporal wound
Zedlitz, Dr. William H. – Resident Surgeon: Occipital right, describes throat wound as “small”
Stewart, David – Surgeon: Occipital right, describes entry wound in the left front of JFK’s head and the rear wound as one of exit
Duke, Dr. James: Occipital
Harper, Dr. Jack C.: Occipital (based on examination of Harper fragment)
Cairns, Dr. A. B.: Occipital (based on examination of Harper fragment)
Noteboom, Dr. Gerard: Occipital (based on examination of Harper fragment)
Goldstritch, Dr. Joe D.: Throat wound entrance
Salyer, Dr. Kenneth Everett – Resident Surgeon: Temporal, though Everett seems to viewed JFK from JFK’s left side only
Midgett, Dr. William – OBGYN Resident: Temporal
Shaw, Dr. Robert Roeder: Throat wound entrance
Porto, Dr. Lito: Left temple entry wound
White, Dr. Martin G. – Resident Surgeon: No specific references to wounds except did not see V cut above JFK’s right eye
Burkley, Dr. / Admiral George Gregory - JFK’s Physician: Seemed to indicate the bullet entered JFK’s right temple, no other specific descriptions of wounds
Seldin, Dr. Donald W. – Chief Internist: Seems to agree with official rear shot story while simultaneously saying JFK was hit in the forehead
Rose, Dr. Earl Forrest – Dallas County Medical Examiner: Seems to disagree with location of head wound as described in JFK’s official autopsy report
Gregory, Dr. Charles Francis: No info
Shires, Dr. George Thomas: No info
Nelson, Dr. John – Pediatric Resident: No info
Stembridge, Vernon – Chief of Surgical Pathology: No info
Stewart, Sidney C. – Resident Pathologist: No info
Holcomb, Dr. Luther: No info
Jackson, Dr. Donald: No info
LeMaistre, Dr. C. A.: No info
Pannill, Dr. Carter: No info
Pepper, Chaplain / Dr. Ken: No info
Gustafson, Dr. Gerry: No info
McGaw, Dr.: No info
Garvey, Dr. J: No info
Guy, Dr.: No info
Mebane, Dr. David: No info
Boland, Dr. James: No info
Patman, Dr. Ralph Don: No info
Coln, Dr. Dale: No info
Risk, Dr. William: No info
Spier, Dr. Curtis: No info
Gill, Dr. A. J.: No info
Baker, Dr. Deuon: No info
Reynolds, Dr. Jack: No info
Rogers, Dr. Doyle: No info
Pollock, Dr. Harlan: No info
Osborne, Dr. William: No info
Parker, Dr. John: No info
NURSES

Hutton, Patricia B.: Occipital, low on head, observed no temporal wounds
Bell, Audrey N.: Occipital, observed no temporal wounds
Bowron, Diana Hamilton: Occipital, throat wound entrance
Hinchliffe, Margaret M.: Occipital, throat wound entrance
Nelson, Doris Mae – Chief Supervising Nurse: Occipital Right
Lozano, Bertha L.: No info, REFERENCES A PRIVATE PATIENT THAT WAS BLEEDING
Standridge, Ruth Jeanette - Head Nurse : No info
Farrington, Bertha: No info
Lennon, Sally: No info
Watkins, C.: No info
Shelby, Faye Dean: No info
Molden, Eleanor: No info
Wright-Good, Elizabeth L. – Nursing Service Director: No info
Settles, Sally: No info
Schrader, Pat: No info
Stravapolous, Mrs. – Head Nurse: No info
Burkett: No info
Oliver: No info
Deming: No info
Johnson: No info
Lunsford: No info
Simpson: No info
Rutherford: No info
J. D.: No info
MISC:

Ward, Theran - Justice of the Peace: Occipital right
Rike, Aubrey L. – Asst. Undertaker: Occipital right
Wright, Milton T. Jr. – Texas Highway Patrolman: Occipital right, though seems to later include temporal (and states wound was on the left side)
Stamps, Roy – Fort Worth Newsman: Occipital
Willie, Donna: Throat wound entrance
Kennedy, Jaqueline – First Lady: Top of head
Huber, Oscar L. – Priest: Described wound over JFK’s left eye
Kantor, Seth – Scripps-Howard Reporter: Entry wound in right temple (though unclear if he witnessed this or was told)
Jacks, Hurchel D. – Texas State Highway Patrolman: Temporal
Powers, David F. – JFK Aide: Top of head, top parietal
Kilduff, Malcolm – Assistant Press Secretary: Temporal, frontal, (and states wound was on the left side)
Huggins, Hugh (aka Howell, Hugh) – Marine / Undercover CIA – Left temple entry wound, 2 temporal
Wright, O. P. – Chief Of Security: : No info, apparently picked up a bullet that was not CE 399
Sanders, David – Orderly: No info
Wester, Jane Carolyn – Operating Room Assistant Supervisor: No info
Lumpkin, Era – Aide: No info
Randall, Shirley – Aide: No info
Majors, Rosa M. – Aide: No info
Dunn, Tommy – Orderly: No info
Richards, Joe – Orderly: No info
Gerloff, Charles D. – Security Officer: No info
Price, Charles Jack – Administrator: : No info
Cabluck, Jarrold – Ft. Worth Star-Telegram Photographer: No info
Cain, Thomas – Priest: No info
Thompson, James – Priest: No info
O’Neal, Vernon B. – Undertaker: No info
McGuire, Dennis – Asst. Undertaker: No info
Kinney, Samuel A. – Secret Service Agent: No info
Rich, Joe Henry – Texas Highway Patrolman: No info
Landregan, Steve – Parkland Assistant Administrator: No info
Holcomb, Robert G. – Assistant Administrator: No info
O’Donnell, Kenneth Patrick – JFK Aide: No info
Tice, Wilma May: No info
Smith, Merriman – United Press International Reporter: No info
Harper, William Allen – Medical student: No info
McCoy, Ulah – Admitting Office Chief Clerk: No info
Geilich, Peter N. Administrative Assistant: No info
Dutton, Robert – Administrative Assistant: No info
Reddick, Carol – Administrative Aide: No info
Tarrant, Jean – Aide: No info
Scott, Frances – Aide: No info
Haywood, Willie – Orderly: No info
Pomeroy, Jill – Ward Clerk: No info
Shankles, Joe H. – Security Officer: No info
Moore, L. G. – Security Officer: No info
Locklin, Henry N. – Security Officer: No info
Ross, Henrietta Magnolia – Operating Room Technician: No info
Jimison, R. J. – Orderly: No info
Bartlett, Phyllis – Chief Telephone Operator – No info
Lincoln, Evelyn – JFK’s Secretary – No info
Deibel, Mrs.: No info
Uzee, Norris: No info
Struwe, Bob – Comptroller: No info
Maher, Edward – Chairman Of the Board of Managers: No info
Crall, Paul: No info
Gannon, Fayetta: No info
Lively, Mrs.: No info
Huber, Katie: No info
Martinets, Billie – Associate Nursing Supervisor: No info
McLaughlin, Ruth – Operator: No info
Willis, John – Purchasing Agent: No info
Storey, Faye: No info
Davis, Chaplain: No info
Miller, Sara – Nursing Supervisor Out Patient Clinic: No info
Owens, Luella: No info
Reid, Virginia – Assistant Director of Nursing Service: No info
Beck, Miss: No info
Drake, Myrtle: No info
Curtiss, Mrs. : No info
Fitzgerald, Mrs. – Second Floor Supervisor: No info
Rogers, Carolyn – Assistant Director of Nursing Service: No info
Jones, Mr. : No info
Nell, Mary: No info
Magin, Madeleine – Assignment Desk: No info
Palmer, Miss: No info
Holse – Admitting Orderly: No info
King, Miss: No info
Davis, Mr. – Engineer: No info
Reyse, Jose: No info
Davenport, Mrs. : No info
Watson, Mr. : No info
Lewis, Mrs. – Housekeeping Department Supervisor: No info
Ellis, Mrs. : No info
Berger, Mrs. : No info
Scroggins, Mrs. – Social Service: No info
Geddis: No info
Mata, Joe – Orderly: No info
Harbison, Charles – Texas State Trooper: No info
Raley, Ken – Reserve Policeman / Medical Technologist: No info
Bishop, Colonel William C. – CIA Contract Agent: No info
Ferguson, Anne – Switchboard operator: No info
O’Brien, Lawrence F. – JFK Special Assistant: No info
END MAIN INDEX

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INITIAL BREAKDOWN / ANALYSIS

It seems that the 175 people at Parkland on record as being involved or in the proximity of those involved with the treatment of injuries to Kennedy, Connally and Oswald from November 22-24, 1963 are comprised of:

59 Doctors

24 Nurses

92 Misc

Out of 59 doctors, 29 seem to provide information about the location and/or nature of JFK’s skull and/or anterior neck wound(s).

Clark
Perry
McClelland
Jenkins
Carrico
Jones
Akin
Peters
Crenshaw
Baxter
Grossman
Dulany
Giesecke
Bashour
Curtis
Williams
Hunt
Zedlitz
Stewart
Duke
Harper, Jack
Cairns
Noteboom
Goldstritch
Salyer
Midgett
Shaw
Porto
Burkley
Out of those 29 doctors that expressed opinions:

20 doctors appear to refer to JFK’s head wound as being in the occipital or occipital right area only:

Clark
Perry
McClelland
Jenkins (later changed opinion)
Carrico
Jones
Akin
Peters
Crenshaw
Dulany
Giesecke (later changed opinion)
Bashour
Curtis
Williams
Zedlitz
Stewart
Duke
Harper
Cairns
Noteboom
7 doctors apparently referred to seeing cerebellum:

Clark
Perry
Jenkins (later changed opinion)
Carrico
Peters
Crenshaw
Williams
4 doctors seemed to mention observing head wounds in the occipital right AND temporal region:

Jenkins
Baxter
Grossman
Teel
5 doctors seem to refer to a head wound in the temporal region ONLY:

Midgett
Salyer
Jenkins (after changing story)
Giesecke (after changing story)
Teel (later changed story)
Out of 24 nurses, 5 seem to provide information about the location and/or nature of JFK’s skull and/or anterior neck wound(s).

All 5 nurses offering opinions about JFK refer to a wound in the occipital or occipital right skull:

Hutton
Bell
Bowron
Hinchliffe
Nelson
There seem to be NO nurses from Parkland who are on record as observing a temporal wound.

Furthermore, it appears that 2 nurses and 2 doctors are on record as specifically stating that they DID NOT observe a wound in the temporal area:

Nurse Hutton
Nurse Bell
Dr. Jones
Dr. Hunt
MISC

Out of 92 miscellaneous people listed, 12 seem to be on record as providing information relating to the location or nature of JFK’s wounds:

Ward
Rike
Wright, Milton
Stamps
Willie
Kennedy
Huber
Kantor
Jacks
Powers
Kilduff
Huggins
Out of those 12 misc. people giving opinions, it seems that 4 say they observed a wound in the occipital or occipital right area of the skull:

Ward
Rike
Wright, Milton
Stamps
Out of those 12 misc. people giving opinions, it seems that 4 say they observed a wound in the temporal area:

Wright, Milton (after changing story)
Jacks
Kilduff
Huggins
It seems 15 people (12 doctors, 2 nurses, and 1 misc.) who are on record as giving descriptions of JFK’s anterior neck wound described this wound as either being one of entrance or having the characteristics of an entrance wound.

DOCTORS:

Clark
Perry
McClelland
Jenkins
Carrico
Jones
Akin (Israel)
Peters
Crenshaw
Zedlitz
Goldstritch
Shaw
NURSES:

Bowron
HInchliffe
MISC:

Willie
Other than 1 doctor (Baxter) who later seemed to be unsure of whether it was a wound of entrance or exit, it seems that NO observers at Parkland described JFK’s anterior neck wound as having the characteristics of an exit wound.

FINAL BREAKDOWN REGARDING LOCATION OF JFK’s HEAD WOUND

Out of 175 people identified with being associated with Parkland, 46 people (29 doctors, 5 nurses, and 12 misc.) are recorded as giving opinions regarding the location and/or nature of JFK’s head wounds.

Out of 46 people overall who have given opinions regarding the location and/or nature of JFK’s head wounds, 33 people (24 doctors, 5 nurses, 4 misc.) reported seeing a head wound in the occipital or occipital right area of the skull.

(3 of those doctors initially mentioned an occipital right wound but later changed their opinions: Jenkins, Dulany, Giesecke)

5 people (4 doctors, 0 nurses, 1 misc) mentioned head wounds in BOTH the occipital right and temporal region.

9 people (5 doctors, 0 nurses, 4 misc) seemed to indicate JFK’s head wound was temporal only. 3 of those doctors had previously indicated parietal or occipital.

END

Edited November 12, 2016 by Denny Zartman
Updated Nov 12, 2016

[bigdog]

That conforms with the autopsy report which said the large defect which
was principally parietal extended into both the temporal and occipital
regions. It is understandable that the ER team at Parkland would think the
blowout was limited to the occipital since the pieces of skull over the
rest of the defect remained attached to the scalp and were likely closed
by Jackie on the way to Parkland. She didn't say she did that in so many
words but she said she was trying to hold the top of his head on. How else
would you do that other than to close the flaps?

> 5 people (4 doctors, 0 nurses, 1 misc) mentioned head wounds in BOTH the occipital right and temporal region.
>
> 9 people (5 doctors, 0 nurses, 4 misc) seemed to indicate JFK’s head wound was temporal only. 3 of those doctors had previously indicated parietal or occipital.
>

Since the head wound was never closely examined at Parkland, it shouldn't
be surprising that some on that team would have a different opinion about
the head wound after seeing the autopsy photos and the full extent of the
blowout.

Since there is only one reality yet varying descriptions of that reality
we can safely say that some of the witnesses just plain got it wrong. The
autopsy gave us the best evidence of the true nature and extent of the
head wounds since that is what the pathologists were charged with doing
and they had the time to do it. The ER team only got to see JFK for a
brief time and their focus was on trying to save his life, knowing full
well it was likely a futile effort.

[claviger]

The Occipital Bone in the Human Skull
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Occipital_bone_lateral4.png

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The Human Skull
http://www.energyenhancement.org/Om-Aham-Mani/Omahamani/human%20biology/human%20biology%20images/skull2.gif

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Question: If Jackie had closed the temple/side wound by closing the flap
then why did ANY of the doctors see a wound on that side of the head?

McClelland said right side. A few others said occitoparietal - back and
side. How did they see the parietal wound if it was covered by the flap?

In order for you theory to work, it seems to me none of the doctors should
have seen the side/parietal wound.

[claviger]

EOP - External Occipital Protuberance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_occipital_protuberance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:External_occipital_protuberance_-_lateral_view2.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:External_occipital_protuberance_-_animation.gif

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External Occipital Protuberance - Lateral View
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:External_occipital_protuberance_-_lateral_view2.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/External_occipital_protuberance_-_lateral_view2.png

[claviger]

DIAMETER OF A SKULL :
https://biochemphyscienceprojects.wordpress.com/2015/02/24/diameter-of-a-skull/
https://biochemphyscienceprojects.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/16019153-human-skull-chart-skull.jpg

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Skull in situ :
http://suzannecowles.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/skull-coloring-pages-anatomy-advanced-skull-labeling-free-worksheets-google-search-skull-bones-anatomy-coloring-pages.jpg

Right sideview
https://www.education.com/download/worksheet/82878/anatomy-skull.pdf
http://baldaivirtuves.info/human-anatomy-labeling-worksheets/human-anatomy-labeling-worksheets-skull-anatomy-labeling-anatomy-of-the-skull-worksheet-human-template/

Left sideview
http://images.tutorvista.com/content/locomotion-animals/human-skull-structure.jpeg
https://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/739834/664243981/stock-vector-skull-anatomy-vector-664243981.jpg

Front - Side - Back
https://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-vector-vector-illustration-of-human-skull-medical-anatomy-vector-pack-1090667231.jpg

Your Amazing Brain
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/458311699558328783/

[claviger]

Official Parkland Hospital report by Dr. McClelland:

3) Dr. Robert Nelson McClelland, Attending Surgeon:
a) WR526-527/17H11-12/CE392: report written 11/22/63---“
“…… a massive gunshot wound of the head
with a
fragment wound of the trachea……
The cause of death was due to massive head and brain
injury from a gunshot wound of the left temple.”�€

[David Von Pein]

"I have also wondered why very, very few of the Parkland Hospital
witnesses said they saw the large exit wound on the right side of JFK's
head (which is an exit wound that we positively KNOW was there when JFK
was in the emergency room at Parkland)? Even if Jackie Kennedy closed up
the flap of scalp on the right side of the President's head (which I think
is quite possible), I would still think that a lot more people at Parkland
would have been able to see the outline or at least SOME portion of the
gaping RIGHT-FRONT exit wound, which is the wound that was causing (IMO)
the large amount of "pooling" of blood toward the right-rear of JFK's head
(which is what I believe to be the best explanation [to date] for how
those Parkland witnesses could have all been mistaken about the location
of the wound). But I've never been totally pleased with that "pooling"
explanation, mainly because I'm wondering why nobody at Parkland claimed
to see TWO wounds on the right side of the President's head." -- DVP; May
2009

More "BOH" talk....

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/07/boh-part-16.html

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/01/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-550.html

[bigdog]

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 9:22:16 PM UTC-4, Steve M. Galbraith wrote:

Was McClelland referring to the ride side of the head or the right side of
the occipital? I believe if you look at the photo of him showing where he
remember the blowout to be, he had his hand above the back right of the
head.

>
> In order for you theory to work, it seems to me none of the doctors should
> have seen the side/parietal wound.

The placement of he blowout varied significantly from one witness to
another. Most of them had it near the back right side of the head but that
was only the rear portion of a much larger defect which had been largely
closed by Jackie. There were pieces of skull that became detached from the
scalp so that left large hole on the right side of the occipital bone. I
believe that is the reason so many at Parkland were fooled into believing
the blowout was confined to the back of the head.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 9/10/2018 9:22 PM, Steve M. Galbraith wrote:
> On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 7:37:21 PM UTC-4, bigdog wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-4, claviger wrote:
>>> The Education Forum
>>>
>>>
>>> "JFK - From Parkland To Bethesda" book by Vince Palamara
>>> By Denny Zartman, November 7, 2016 in JFK Assassination Debate
>>> http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/23188-jfk-from-parkland-to-bethesda-book-by-vince-palamara/
>>> It’s an excellent book, Vince. I’ve already dog-eared and marked it up as much as any JFK book I own, and likely more.
>>>
>>> I had been working a little on breaking down some of the Dealey Plaza witness testimony, so I really appreciate the opportunity to do similar research regarding the medical witnesses. Your book seems to the best resource for complete guidance on that topic.
>>>
>>> When trying to investigate the JFK assassination as a crime, I feel the need to step back and try to see the big picture if possible. So many books reference witnesses with “some say”, “many say”, “most say” and the like. There’s always part of me that wonders exactly how many witnesses say X or Y or Z, and if it’s even possible to calculate those numbers.
>>>
>>> REVISED and UPDATED Nov 12, 2016
>>>
>>> This list should comprise all known individuals who were, in Vince’s words “The doctors, nurses, and sundry other people who were in some way connected to the emergency treatment of President Kennedy in Dallas Texas on November 22, 1963”
>>>
>>> Many names have no useful information regarding JFK’s wounds, so I have later tried to break down into numbers the opinions of those who did comment on the location of specific injuries.
>>>
>>> There is occasional difficulty in adding things up because some witnesses later went on to change their stories. Others describe multiple wounds and wounds in different areas of the head.
>>>
>>> This analysis focuses primarily on the location(s) and nature of wounds on Kennedy’s skull and anterior neck.
>>>
>>> These are the 5 characteristics that I tried to spotlight:
>>>
>>> Was there a head wound located in the occipital area (lower back of the skull) or the occipital parietal (referred to here as “Occipital right”, meaning the right side of the occipital area including some of the adjoining parietal area)?
>>>
>>> Was the wound in the temporal (the right side of the skull over the ear)?
>>>

DO you mean ENTRANCE wound? Stop asking vague questions.

>>> Was the head wound tangential (bullet striking the side, entering and exiting in the same wound)?
>>>

Both the WC and the HSCA show an ENTRANCE wound in the BACK of the head.
No one shows an exit wound on the side of the head.

So what if McClelland said LEFT side. That was a slip of the tongue.

> In order for you theory to work, it seems to me none of the doctors should
> have seen the side/parietal wound.

Whose theory? You don't quote anything. Some strman theory YOU made up?

>
>

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Yes, he wrote "left" side in his report. However, on that same day he told
a Texas medical journal that the wound was on the "right side of the
head." Left and right but side. If Jackie closed the wound by pulling the
skin flap down over it then how did any doctor that temporal wound?

McClelland says today - and has been for several decades - that the wound
he saw was in the rear of the head. I think he's a honorable man; he's not
in this for money or fame. But I think his memory is just failing him
completely.

Texas State Journal of Medicine issue quoting McClelland is here:
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth599863/m1/104/?q=Parkland

[claviger]

The large avulsive exit wound was not on back of the head
or front of the head. It was in the middle on top of the skull
at the vertex. More damage on the right hemisphere behind
the right ear. Since none of the attending ER doctors were
Pathologists they were not allowed to probe nor investigate
the body in any way.

The small entrance wound on the head was discovered at the
autopsy in the cowlick area of the Parietal bone. The Imprecise
terminology by various doctors inside TR1 caused most of the
confusion. Several were misusing the technical word "occipital"
which refers to a specific skull bone. Some did use the word
"posterior" correctly as an imprecise location.

There was no bullet wound on the Occipital Bone in back of the
skull. The major damage was to the largest bone in the skull,
the medial Parietal Bone where the vertex is located.

[bigdog]

Dr. Jenkins memo to administrator C.M. Price might give us a clue. From
Appendix 8 of the WCR:

"These described resuscitative activities were indicated as of first
importance, and after they were carried out attention was turned to all
other evidences of injury. There was a great laceration on the right side
of the head (temporal and occipital),"

The key word here is "laceration". With the skull flaps closed, the seam
between those flaps might well appear to be a laceration. In fact I can
think of no other reason for someone to describe a laceration on the right
side of JFK's head. It's also likely that "laceration" would have been
bleeding profusely, further disguising the true nature of the wound.

This is of course my educated guess as to what Jenkins saw so I would be
interested in how others interpret his statement.

[Anthony Marsh]

LEFT.

Is this anything like the fragment wound of the trachea he described?


http://www.the-puzzle-palace.com/Globe11-23-63.jpg

Now can you figure out where the Globe got that early description?

[Anthony Marsh]

How come you don't have this diagram and article on YOUR Web page? How
would you even be able to find it unless you lived in Boston and went to
the BPL?

http://www.the-puzzle-palace.com/Globe11-23-63.jpg

[claviger]

Very good illustration. Only problem, there were 2 entrance wounds,
one on the back and one on the skull.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Right, I agree with your interpretation; but again others - McClelland for
example - said the side of the head. The wound was on the side.

So we have some doctors seeing a wound on the side, some seeing a
laceration on the side and rear, some seeing a wound - not laceration? -
the side and back, and some not seeing one on the side at all but just the
back.

As we know, this has been gone over hundreds of times; trying to figure
out what they were seeing, or thought they saw, will drive you crazy.

[Anthony Marsh]

Show us the wound.

[Anthony Marsh]

We were only talking about the head wound. They didn't even see the
back wound then.

[claviger]

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 8:12:30 AM UTC-5, claviger wrote:
> The Human Skull
> http://www.energyenhancement.org/Om-Aham-Mani/Omahamani/human%20biology/human%20biology%20images/skull2.gif

Interesting thing about this illustration is the line to "Parietal bone"
is in the cowlick area where the Clark Panel determined where the
entrance wound was on the head.

The line from "Temporal bone" is exactly where the EOP is located.

So the illustration makes it easy to see the big difference in angles
the head would need to be tilted to line up with the trajectory from
the 6th floor window.

[claviger]

The illustration has the President sitting straight up, but we know from
the Zapruder film he was leaning forward so that shot would need to
come from the top of the Triple Underpass and that didn't happen.

[Anthony Marsh]

Silly. The illustration shows a bullet hitting the back of the head. No
one had the Zapruder film yet. S it is just an anatomical drawing just
like any other that they use in hospitals to show the locations of wounds.
Grow up and Grow a brain.
The point is that this was someone's THEORY before they had even started
the autopsy. This came from a source in Parkland Hospital BEFORE the
autopsy. Can you guess which doctor? Can't be Perry, because his theory
was that the bullet ENTERED the throat and was deflected up and out of
the top of his head. No diagrams of that were ever made.
Could it have come from the janitor? Our list is narrowing. Will you
ever be able to figure it out?
Why do you think I am the only one who has uploaded it? WC defenders do
not want a theory like that. No one else would have come across it.

[Anthony Marsh]

Whose skull is that? Is that YOUR skull?
Do you think they are sending you secret signals?
I don't see any trajectory lines on that diagram. Do you?
I don't know what software you like to use on YOUR computer.
That's up to you. It's a matter of personal choice and cost.
But sometimes you can find what they call FREE software or a TRIAL
version which will allow you to rotate that drawing to match any angle
you want. If you want a head shot at frame Z-313 try an angle of about
15 degrees.

[bigdog]

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 8:59:49 PM UTC-4, Steve M. Galbraith wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 8:03:06 PM UTC-4, bigdog wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 5:09:38 PM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 9:22:16 PM UTC-4, Steve M. Galbraith wrote:

(lots of deadwood snipped)

This is why it makes no sense to rely on any one witness about any one
thing. Witnesses recollections might be spot on or they might be
completely off base. The only way to determine a witness' credibility is
by weighing it against the entire body of evidence. The autopsy evidence
gives us the clearest picture of the nature of the head wounds. For one,
they were not engaged in a frantic effort to save the life of the
president. They could take the time to closely examine both the entrance
wound and the blowout. In addition, they made a photographic and x-ray
record of the autopsy which allowed a review by some of the best medical
examiners in the country. They told us the entry wound was in the back and
there was a large blowout along the upper right side of JFK's head. All
evidence should be weighed against that very compelling conclusion.