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Rough timeline of Little Lynn Carlin ( R.I.P)
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Peter Fokes
Dec 26, 2011, 8:14:01 PM12/26/11
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Timeline of Little Lynn from:
http://www.kenrahn.com/jfk/issues_and_evidence/jack_ruby/Timeline_of_Ruby.html
and other sources.
Nov. 21, 1963
2:00 AM. "Little Lynn" (Karen Carlin, stripper at Carousel),
sick and passes out at Nichols Garage. RUBY stayed with her until 4 or
5 A.M Ruby then went home to bed.(20 H 47 Hall Ex.3)
2:00 AM CRAFARD: Ruby called Vegas at 2:00 A.M. "law was at
the place" and "Little Lynn" was sick. Crafard was to stay at Vegas
until Ruby could pick him up. (19 H 356) Carlin does not mention this
incident.
Night of Nov. 21, 1963 Little Lynn testified she worked the night
of the Nov. 21st ... apparently she recovered from her illness:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/carlin_k2.htm
<quote on>
Mr. HUBERT. You know Kathy Kay, of course?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that her full name?
Mrs. CARLIN. I don't know her full name. All I knew her by was Kathy
Kay.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know Harry Olsen?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Who was he?
Mrs. CARLIN. Her boy friend--I believe that was his name.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he then a member of the police force, the Dallas
police force?
Mrs. CARLIN. He was supposed to be; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know whether they have married or not?
Mrs. CARLIN. No; I don't.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you last see her?
Mrs. CARLIN. Right before---I guess--yes, it was right before the
President was killed.
Mr. HUBERT. How long before?
Mrs. CARLIN. Well, it was the night--the last night we worked. I
believe it was a Thursday night was the last night we worked.
Mr. HUBERT. Thursday was November 21st. Where did you see her?
Mrs. CARLIN. At the place--at the club.
Mr. HUBERT. She was a dancer there?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Nov. 23, 1963
Little Lynn testified she DID NOT see Kathy Kay or Harry Olsen on
November 22 or 23 or the 24:
Mr. HUBERT. I understand from your testimony then, that you did not
see Kathy Kay or Harry Olsen on Friday, November 22 when the President
was shot, or the next day, Saturday, or the day after that-on Sunday,
November 24?
Mrs. CARLIN. No; I never did see Kathy again.
Mr. HUBERT. You haven't seen her then since this Thursday night, the
21st?
Mrs. CARLIN. That's right.
Mr. HUBERT. When you called Ruby on Saturday night to ask him for
money where did you call? What number did you call--home?
Mrs. CARLIN. At his home. Tammi True gave me the number and I called
it. It was supposed to be at his apartment.
Mr. HUBERT. He answered the phone?
Mrs. CARLIN. I don't remember if he answered the phone the first time.
You see, I called twice, but I think the first time I think there was
someone else that answered the phone and called him to the phone. Like
I said, everything has been so long ago.
Mr. HUBERT. And the first time I think he told you he couldn't lend
you any money, isn't that it?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. That call was made where?
Mrs. CARLIN. To his home.
Mr. HUBERT. But I mean--where from?
Mrs. CARLIN. It was made from the Colony Club next door at the
telephone there.
Mr. HUBERT. And you called him again a little while later?
Mrs. CARLIN. And he said, "I'll meet you down at the club" and he
never did show up so I called back.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you wait between the two calls?
Mrs. CARLIN. About 30 or 40 minutes. He said it would take about 40
minutes.
Mr. HUBERT. And you called the second time, you called him the second
time?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes, and he said he wouldn't be able to make it, that he
was busy right then, and to get the man on the telephone at the
carlot, which I did.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you ask him for?
Mrs. CARLIN. I asked him for enough money to get home, at least.
8:30 PM CARLIN, Karen "Little Lynn": called Ruby at home
from Colony Club and asked if Carousel was going to be open (Saturday)
and told Jack she needed money to get back to Ft. Worth. Ruby got
angry and said he would be down in about an hour. (13 H 210) Little
Lynn, husband Bruce and Tammi True were present. Bruce called again
when Ruby didn't show up. Ruby had the attendant "Reeves" come to the
phone and instructed him to give Little Lynn $5.00. (13 H 210) See
Reeves 10:33 P.M. TRUE, Tammi: denied Karen rec'd $5.00 from
attendant.(15 H 423)
10:33 PM REEVES, Huey: night manager of Nichols garage.
"Little Lynn" picks up $5.00 Jack told Huey to give to her. (25 H
297-8) (address of garage Allright Parking 1320 Commerce)
Nov. 24. 1963
9 AM SENATOR: woke up and did some laundry. About 9:30
A.M. Ruby woke up. Little Lynn called and needed money. Jack dressed
and took his dog "Sheba" and left—said he was going to the club. Told
Little Lynn that he would wire her money from Western Union. Ruby had
a "strange look on his face, almost as if he were in shock". SENATOR
(21 H 436) SS interview 12/3/63
Mr. HUBERT. When you called him on Sunday, did he suggest Western
Union or did you?
Mrs. CARLIN. No; I didn't suggest anything, neither did he. He just
said "I'm going to send it. How shall I send it?"
Mr. HUBERT. He asked you?
Mrs. CARLIN. He said, "How shall I send it?" I said, "Send it in Karen
Bennett, because that's the only identification I have."
Mr. HUBERT. But it was his idea to send it by Western Union?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
10 AM RUBY: Rec'd phone call from Little Lynn wanting
money. MOMENT OF MADNESS, Gertz, 114.
11:17 AM LANE, Doyle, Western Union clerk: Stamped this time on
the telegram Ruby sent to Little Lynn for $25. Ruby probably arrived a
few minutes prior to this time. Address of office: 2034 Main Street.
Ruby left immediately. (13 H 222)
Sept. 1963 .....Carlin for indecent exposure on Sept. 6, 1964.
Dec. 23, 1963 Carlin was arrested at Ruby’s trial for carrying a
pistol into the courtroom in her purse.
Penn Jones wrote in “Forgive My Grief that Carlin died in Houston
murdered.
By 1993, Jones was at death’s door, residing with his second wife
Elaine in Ellis County. His memory was failing, at times nonexistent.
Shaw and I went to visit him in hopes of finding out why he had given
Carlin a premature burial. He was unable to tell us. But his wife said
Jones told her he had been asked by an unknown person to write that
Carlin died.
She said in a tape recorded interview: “Whoever it was told Penn that
for her [Carlin’s] sake he was to say she was dead. She was going into
the government protection plan.”
Controversy over Carlin's supposed death and the comments of Jones'
wife are the subject of a David Perry article here:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/death3.htm
New article published June 22, 2011 entitled:
"Cleburnite Shaw closes book on mysterious JFK-era figure" appears in
Burleson Crowley Connection:
"Shaw’s melancholy note dated Oct. 18, 2010 reads, “Beverly Massagee
called and said Karen died last month. Michael Carlin called
[Massagee] to say Karen was cremated and the ashes buried in
Tennessee.”
http://burlesoncrowley.com/news/?p=3208
Peter Fokes,
Toronto
http://www.kenrahn.com/jfk/issues_and_evidence/jack_ruby/Timeline_of_Ruby.html
and other sources.
Nov. 21, 1963
2:00 AM. "Little Lynn" (Karen Carlin, stripper at Carousel),
sick and passes out at Nichols Garage. RUBY stayed with her until 4 or
5 A.M Ruby then went home to bed.(20 H 47 Hall Ex.3)
2:00 AM CRAFARD: Ruby called Vegas at 2:00 A.M. "law was at
the place" and "Little Lynn" was sick. Crafard was to stay at Vegas
until Ruby could pick him up. (19 H 356) Carlin does not mention this
incident.
Night of Nov. 21, 1963 Little Lynn testified she worked the night
of the Nov. 21st ... apparently she recovered from her illness:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/carlin_k2.htm
<quote on>
Mr. HUBERT. You know Kathy Kay, of course?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that her full name?
Mrs. CARLIN. I don't know her full name. All I knew her by was Kathy
Kay.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know Harry Olsen?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Who was he?
Mrs. CARLIN. Her boy friend--I believe that was his name.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he then a member of the police force, the Dallas
police force?
Mrs. CARLIN. He was supposed to be; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know whether they have married or not?
Mrs. CARLIN. No; I don't.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you last see her?
Mrs. CARLIN. Right before---I guess--yes, it was right before the
President was killed.
Mr. HUBERT. How long before?
Mrs. CARLIN. Well, it was the night--the last night we worked. I
believe it was a Thursday night was the last night we worked.
Mr. HUBERT. Thursday was November 21st. Where did you see her?
Mrs. CARLIN. At the place--at the club.
Mr. HUBERT. She was a dancer there?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Nov. 23, 1963
Little Lynn testified she DID NOT see Kathy Kay or Harry Olsen on
November 22 or 23 or the 24:
Mr. HUBERT. I understand from your testimony then, that you did not
see Kathy Kay or Harry Olsen on Friday, November 22 when the President
was shot, or the next day, Saturday, or the day after that-on Sunday,
November 24?
Mrs. CARLIN. No; I never did see Kathy again.
Mr. HUBERT. You haven't seen her then since this Thursday night, the
21st?
Mrs. CARLIN. That's right.
Mr. HUBERT. When you called Ruby on Saturday night to ask him for
money where did you call? What number did you call--home?
Mrs. CARLIN. At his home. Tammi True gave me the number and I called
it. It was supposed to be at his apartment.
Mr. HUBERT. He answered the phone?
Mrs. CARLIN. I don't remember if he answered the phone the first time.
You see, I called twice, but I think the first time I think there was
someone else that answered the phone and called him to the phone. Like
I said, everything has been so long ago.
Mr. HUBERT. And the first time I think he told you he couldn't lend
you any money, isn't that it?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. That call was made where?
Mrs. CARLIN. To his home.
Mr. HUBERT. But I mean--where from?
Mrs. CARLIN. It was made from the Colony Club next door at the
telephone there.
Mr. HUBERT. And you called him again a little while later?
Mrs. CARLIN. And he said, "I'll meet you down at the club" and he
never did show up so I called back.
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you wait between the two calls?
Mrs. CARLIN. About 30 or 40 minutes. He said it would take about 40
minutes.
Mr. HUBERT. And you called the second time, you called him the second
time?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes, and he said he wouldn't be able to make it, that he
was busy right then, and to get the man on the telephone at the
carlot, which I did.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you ask him for?
Mrs. CARLIN. I asked him for enough money to get home, at least.
8:30 PM CARLIN, Karen "Little Lynn": called Ruby at home
from Colony Club and asked if Carousel was going to be open (Saturday)
and told Jack she needed money to get back to Ft. Worth. Ruby got
angry and said he would be down in about an hour. (13 H 210) Little
Lynn, husband Bruce and Tammi True were present. Bruce called again
when Ruby didn't show up. Ruby had the attendant "Reeves" come to the
phone and instructed him to give Little Lynn $5.00. (13 H 210) See
Reeves 10:33 P.M. TRUE, Tammi: denied Karen rec'd $5.00 from
attendant.(15 H 423)
10:33 PM REEVES, Huey: night manager of Nichols garage.
"Little Lynn" picks up $5.00 Jack told Huey to give to her. (25 H
297-8) (address of garage Allright Parking 1320 Commerce)
Nov. 24. 1963
9 AM SENATOR: woke up and did some laundry. About 9:30
A.M. Ruby woke up. Little Lynn called and needed money. Jack dressed
and took his dog "Sheba" and left—said he was going to the club. Told
Little Lynn that he would wire her money from Western Union. Ruby had
a "strange look on his face, almost as if he were in shock". SENATOR
(21 H 436) SS interview 12/3/63
Mr. HUBERT. When you called him on Sunday, did he suggest Western
Union or did you?
Mrs. CARLIN. No; I didn't suggest anything, neither did he. He just
said "I'm going to send it. How shall I send it?"
Mr. HUBERT. He asked you?
Mrs. CARLIN. He said, "How shall I send it?" I said, "Send it in Karen
Bennett, because that's the only identification I have."
Mr. HUBERT. But it was his idea to send it by Western Union?
Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.
10 AM RUBY: Rec'd phone call from Little Lynn wanting
money. MOMENT OF MADNESS, Gertz, 114.
11:17 AM LANE, Doyle, Western Union clerk: Stamped this time on
the telegram Ruby sent to Little Lynn for $25. Ruby probably arrived a
few minutes prior to this time. Address of office: 2034 Main Street.
Ruby left immediately. (13 H 222)
Sept. 1963 .....Carlin for indecent exposure on Sept. 6, 1964.
Dec. 23, 1963 Carlin was arrested at Ruby’s trial for carrying a
pistol into the courtroom in her purse.
Penn Jones wrote in “Forgive My Grief that Carlin died in Houston
murdered.
By 1993, Jones was at death’s door, residing with his second wife
Elaine in Ellis County. His memory was failing, at times nonexistent.
Shaw and I went to visit him in hopes of finding out why he had given
Carlin a premature burial. He was unable to tell us. But his wife said
Jones told her he had been asked by an unknown person to write that
Carlin died.
She said in a tape recorded interview: “Whoever it was told Penn that
for her [Carlin’s] sake he was to say she was dead. She was going into
the government protection plan.”
Controversy over Carlin's supposed death and the comments of Jones'
wife are the subject of a David Perry article here:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/death3.htm
New article published June 22, 2011 entitled:
"Cleburnite Shaw closes book on mysterious JFK-era figure" appears in
Burleson Crowley Connection:
"Shaw’s melancholy note dated Oct. 18, 2010 reads, “Beverly Massagee
called and said Karen died last month. Michael Carlin called
[Massagee] to say Karen was cremated and the ashes buried in
Tennessee.”
http://burlesoncrowley.com/news/?p=3208
Peter Fokes,
Toronto
Dave Reitzes
Dec 28, 2011, 11:11:52 PM12/28/11
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On Dec 26, 8:14 pm, Peter Fokes <pfo...@rogers.com> wrote:
> New article published June 22, 2011 entitled:
>
> "Cleburnite Shaw closes book on mysterious JFK-era figure" appears in
> Burleson Crowley Connection:
>
> "Shaw’s melancholy note dated Oct. 18, 2010 reads, “Beverly Massagee
> called and said Karen died last month. Michael Carlin called
> [Massagee] to say Karen was cremated and the ashes buried in
> Tennessee.”
>
> http://burlesoncrowley.com/news/?p=3208
>
> Peter Fokes,
> Toronto
Has this information been confirmed? I see an online reference to a Karen
> New article published June 22, 2011 entitled:
>
> "Cleburnite Shaw closes book on mysterious JFK-era figure" appears in
> Burleson Crowley Connection:
>
> "Shaw’s melancholy note dated Oct. 18, 2010 reads, “Beverly Massagee
> called and said Karen died last month. Michael Carlin called
> [Massagee] to say Karen was cremated and the ashes buried in
> Tennessee.”
>
> http://burlesoncrowley.com/news/?p=3208
>
> Peter Fokes,
> Toronto
L. Block, born July 20, 1944, died August 16, 2010, in Montgomery,
Michigan, but it's not clear where this information comes from.
Dave
Peter Fokes
Dec 30, 2011, 2:37:59 PM12/30/11
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On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:14:01 -0500, Peter Fokes <pfo...@rogers.com>
wrote:
PF
wrote:
Dave Reitzes wrote:
Has this information been confirmed? I see an online reference to a
Karen L. Block, born July 20, 1944, died August 16, 2010, in
Montgomery, Michigan, but it's not clear where this information comes
from.
Dave
Try Shaw or Michael Carlin if seeking more info.
Has this information been confirmed? I see an online reference to a
Karen L. Block, born July 20, 1944, died August 16, 2010, in
Montgomery, Michigan, but it's not clear where this information comes
from.
Dave
PF
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